Would the Precursors Return ruin Halos Mystery? | Lore and Theory

[@twekkliiaslk]

I think adding a small amount of information regarding the Precursors might be ok if they don't go overboard like for example making an entire book dedicated to just Precursors but maybe something more like the terminals in Halo: CE-3 or even just a little nod here and there. Though I would vastly prefer more lore regarding Ancient Humanity and their overall effect on the galaxy at that time though not all at once like with the Forerunner Trilogy of book and more like seeing an ancient human appear or finding audio logs or something like that

[@nicwalker882]

Yea like just imagine we find this empty Ancient Human cylix which housed one of the warriors who fought with the Lord of Admirals and then when we find him he’s all confused. Or maybe we end up finding one of the weapons they used against the Forerunners which apparently they “had no defense against” so they were studying it on Zeta Halo. Ugh there’s so much potential for campaign DLC but I fear they won’t utilize it 😟

[@tristanbackup2536]

Basically reveal them slowly over a decade like what they did with the Forerunners, a slow burn to keep the mystery but also slowly unravel to my interest.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

I mean having ”baby precursors” in the galaxy like the otherside of the flood coin is not even near to fully revealling Precursor mystery. It just brings new nuance to the sweetness that is lovecraftian precursor horror always lurking around the corner.

[@SuperGoose42]

Or the San Shayuum aka the ancient prophets

[@Cybernaut551]

I agree.

[@JV-lz3jd]

I am looking forward for 343 to make a short horror story about what happened to the Spartans containment team’s that were infected by the flood?

[@jessevideos1000]

OMG yes!

[@SuperGoose42]

I would be too if I thought they were going to do anything meaningful with the flood

[@JV-lz3jd]

@@SuperGoose42 I guess we’ll wait until the next Intel drop.

[@Replic09]

With Co op

[@SlowLude]

Losing the mystery of the Forerunners was a shame, but you can't deny how incredible it was diving into the Forerunner Saga. Felt like treading on hallowed ground. If only I could read it again for the first time

[@joshuamunoz3310]

yep, but they need to hire professional scifi writters again

[@sa-amirel-hayeed699]

The discovery, the mystery, the adventure through the ancient ruins... It was like uncovering an ancient history of our universe, for the first time... Who is to say it's not true? Halo is all about the cyclical nature of the universe. The created destroying the creator

[@chardeemacdennis357]

big same

[@halolytical9375]

Yeah it feels like reading a history lesson or religious text found in ancient caves. Really wished they kept the mirroring of those books in the games; it would’ve been cool to see the Didact and Chief stop the Primordial just like in Silentium and Primordium

[@user-ze3sg6ix1u]

Well said, we can acknowledge the trade offs. We don't have the mystery anymore but now we have intriguing knowledge

[@maeshg1969]

Just discovered that there's a 4th book for the forerunner coming in february, Halo Eitaph, the story of the Urdidact after his defeat at the end of the Master chief ... can't wait *.*

[@jhm3346]

I’m still convinced that the flood and precursors are one in the same. To clarify I believe the flood aren’t corrupted but just the precursors indulging the “sweetness”

[@AdamKafei]

I find the main appeal of mystery is the exploration, mystery without exploration is pointless and so I welcome the release of more lore. So much the better if it's written in such a way that it welcomes new questions that can be answered later but a mystery unexplored, unanswered, perpetually vieled, ceases to be interesting; only so many questions can be asked and without unveiling new information those questions can only remain unanswered and then people lose interest. There are still plenty of places for Halo to go, plenty of rocks undisturbed for millennia, the endless expanse of space to explore full of known and unknown unknowns alike and I for one want to learn as much as possible about these unknowns, not just question their possibilities until I'm left with a wall, a void and nothing left to ask.

[@nonameman525]

That's why you walk sideways along the iceberg, and dive down into it too often.

[@Definitely_Dave]

I’d guess that’s probably where the mystery of the Endless comes in.

[@jessevideos1000]

I understand the sentiment about leaving mystery...deep mystery in the overall halo narrative. But personally i have been waiting for pre precursor's to come back. If your thinking that revealing any mystery left in halo is a bad move I understand completely. But who's to say they are not going to add additional mystery or if the precursors and mendicant and offensive bias are a part of a main line halo game in the future that it wont be good or amazing. Obviously everyone has there opinion about more deep halo lore being added to a main line or spin off game but personally I would love to see chief and arbiter talking to a precursor. I would love to see interaction of mendicant and offensive bias with chief and arbiter. They can always add more to the mystery...Problem is will it be interesting enough going forward or will it fail to capture us in that way again. I think we are at a point in the franchise were we can benefit from opening these types of storylines in a mainline halo game. Imagine for a second a mainline halo game with everything we fans want in it, Campaign wise. We get chief we get arbiter we get halsey. we find out a precursor is trying to contact chief and need arbiters help to get to it. Along the way maybe we learn more about the ancient humans or even get to interact with one. Maybe they try to warn us about precursor secret intentions. Possibility of bringing ancient humans back and seeing them walk around in game would be amazing personally. During all of this the flood are in the game again along with some new enemy's and new character's. I think that would be pretty dam cool.

[@Hopewell51]

Anyone else realize that Precursor, Forerunner, and Harbinger are all synonyms?

[@summer_was_fun]

I want Precursors, standing in front of the whole UNSC marines and spartans, transforms themselves into flood and growing stronger rapidly while Chief and Blue team are searching for Mendicant Bias or Offensive Bias but this tine OB will be the rouge AI. Mendicant,using some left over datas of Cortana from the Domain and the characteristics of The Weapon AI revives Cortana. The only way for Chief to win this war is to fire the Halo, standing besides him are Arbiter, Atriox, Guardians,Blue team, Spartan Jerome and a partially infected gravemind Noble 6

[@biggusdickus6537]

I personally feel there is still much mystery surrounding the Forerunners. We learned a lot about them in the Forerunner trilogy, but even after reading through it multiple times, I still have so many unanswered questions. I do, however, agree with you that fleshing out the Precursors may be a step too far. The Flood should be our only interaction with anything Precursor, or maybe getting to see some of their star roads & other tech. I like when they speak to us across the millennia's through the Gravemind, but we definitely should never see actual Precursors or learn much more about them.

[@joshsmith6995]

Not everything needs to be fleshed out and explored. The mystery is something that goes farther than a full exposed lore dump.

[@ChaosTaint588]

Every mystery for supporting long run games must be explained, but not at 100% expect if the franchise is abandoned or dying, ex, the flood is returning for wath and how plus but not totally explained they're creations but 50/75% the rest no if the flood is replaced by they creator now coming backs maby yes replace a mistery by a new mustery

[@nexuvareldari7418]

If I've told you once I've said it a thousand times, 343 doesn't care about bringing forth good and/mysterious narrative to the canonical halo universe. Proof being that that straight up backpedaled on multi-player being Canon, meaning the whole flood or precursor thing in multi-player is just a marketing ploy to play on fan nostalgia and emotional attachment in order to make more money.

[@bmxdude1337]

Its a valid concern, but, itll come to an end someday, enjoy the times we had, Spartan.

[@aleksandarrudic3694]

If you talked to a living god - how would he communicate his existence to you? Through "miracles", right? Through showing you things that cannot be physically real. Precursors, if ever introduced, should be introduced in a way which is not obvious, like a series of totally out of order and out of reason events and thoughts (e.g. causality loops, broken laws of physics and logic, broken symmetries of space and time, etc.).

[@LeQuartermaster]

I think we should take a look at more clues across the last few years. Disclaimer: I’m still taking Infinite’s multiplayer story seriously, 343 just said that they’re not supporting it with a big budget, not that it’s completely void. Take what you said about Outcasts and combine what we know about Infinite, Zeta Halo, and what just occurred aboard the Saturn. The Xalanyn (I think that’s how they’re pronounced) are the harbinger’s race, kept condemned for being immune to the Halo array and possibly the Flood. They obviously must have some connection to the Precursors. Take what we know about Zeta Halo being a place of extreme Flood experimentation and storage and combine that with the Xalanyn’s idea of the Endless. It’s not exactly their race, but rather an evolution of it. If we add that to our hints from Outcasts (that being the Precursors will eventually reform themselves) and the words of the Gravemind/Primordial aboard the Saturn… I think we’re seeing the evolution of them at the very least. My theory is that The Endless are a combo or joint force between the Xalanyn and the Flood, in attempt to reform themselves into what may have once been the Precursor. Who else would motivate them to take such a drastic move but the corrupted words of the Primordial/Gravemind, the last Precursor whose last known location was on Zeta Halo. I think we’re gearing up for a possible mobilization of the Flood given purpose.

[@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1]

Sure. If executed well enough and creatively enough, it could be done - but that's something 343 has consistently failed to show for the past few years so I wouldn't expect them to introduce Precursor lore in a way that isn't generic, lame and boring.

[@rydekk-4644]

As for you saying the flood "needs to happen". I fully disagree with you there. What 343 did in regards to the flood on the ark, reintroducing them back into lore completely and utterly destroyed the whole purpose and sacrefices made during Halo 3. The flood destroyed? Huzzah! - Erhm, no, they're still there. Atleast we destroyed the covenant? Right? - Eh... About that... Ever heard of the storm covenant? Not all was bad, And 343 did a few things excellently right... Until they didn't. The UNSC Infinity? Badass, incredible and powerful ship. Made to be Humanity's last bastion of hope after Earth falls and became a beacon of human strength in the universe. Basicly a space citadel with forerunner tech. And then became Humanity's last hope against at the end of Halo 5 after it managed to escape the attack on earth. Was once seen blasting through a Covenant Corvette during the spartan ops co-op campaign when it came out of slipspace, didn't break a sweat. Truely powerful and awesome. The Banished? Truely a force to be reckoned with thanks to strong leadership and brotherly yet dedicated spirit. Their ingenuity rivals that of Humanity, making them an excellent and ruthless threat. The Created? Well, making Cortana an villain wasn't a popular move for a lot of members in the community (I found it excellent as the writing was on the wall ever since H3). But it did correctly raise the stakes and showed humanity that their greatest tools could be turned against them in a second and forced them to adapt. Then came Halo Infinite and it showed how fractured and scared 343 became of their own established lore. The Infinity? Destroyed in the most stupidist of ways by the Banished. The Banished? Turned into a laughing stock after they conveniently removed the biggest threat, Atriox. The Created? ALT+F4 The infinity was destroyed because it was "too awesome". The Banished were 'too boring' and groomed to be replaced by the flying purple space monkeys or whatever the fuck their names are. The Created had to be destroyed in order to 'redeem' cortana in the eyes of the community. All three options were absolutely horrible. Reality? 343 had good ideas with Halo 4 and Halo 5, but the community destroyed all that ambition and good choices for generic, boring and tasteless developments culminated in the dogshit that was Halo infinite. In truth, I wish 343 would just cease to be and let Halo rest. It's suffered enough.

[@connorburnes7697]

Honestly bringing the forerunners into the game ruined the mystery. I wish they would’ve kept who/what they were a mystery and kept the exposure just to their artifacts and tech.

[@ryanarchuleta6231]

A lot of the magic of playing Halo 1-3 was exploring these hulking sterile metal structures with weird symbols and holograms and wondering "what the hell was this place even for?". Justbimagining some ancient mysterious civilization walking those halls was a neat thought. Actually introducing the forerunners took the mystery away.

[@mattbrooks162]

343 doesnt have a good track record of handling things carefully

[@Ashamedofmypast]

Yep it will

[@TheForcesWrath]

Look man i belive in the mystery thing you're saying but truths have to be revealed so we dont get bored.

[@vivixxthatengimain9787]

all mysteries end up getting solved at some point

[@PresidentEvil2]

TYPO in your thumbnail mate

[@xenosayain1506]

For me halo's lore was ruined with the 343 retcon. Where the forerunners were no longer a variant of ancient man, but instead a separate specieies with ancient man alongside them as an enemy. Between that and 343 constantly changing the lore in between games to try and make everyone happy just has the universe a mess. It was obvious there was no clear vision for what the lore should be

[@matthewzumbo9868]

mystery in storytelling adds a massive addictive layer to the IP, and it also allows fans to connect with characters or factions by developing their ideas around that mystery. The Precursors needs to stay out of the narrative and only be teased at, or mainly referenced

[@sloan791]

Please more bodytypes too.

[@ponchoremerize5508]

Here's my question. How, did the forerunners, completely destroy a race like the Precursors? They are basically as Transcendent as it gets. No info on the Forerunners to date shows that they possessed anywhere near the ability destroy a species like that.

[@thegodinme83]

guardians it’s self destroy dosic and there no we’re near the power of the actual forerunners in there prime which is probably why it’s a mystery

[@bable6314]

They didn't. They only thought they did. That's the point.

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

The misery is kinda solved, forerunners won because the precursors tested them, the whole idea was a test, whoever was strong enough could have the mantle but this is where the test started. The precursors corrupted into the flood and caused the downfall of the forerunners, it has been happening for millions of years, the forerunners fighting them and eventually losing the war which caused the firing of the arrays, 100000 years later now we face a similar war with the flood, the forerunners were tested and lost, now it was humanities time to be tested since the forerunners killed the humans back then. And so far humanity is still standing, we fought the flood at almost their weakest, soon they'll be back at their strongest, that's when the test starts, we fail, we die and the flood will rein for many years until they have nothing left to consume and die as well and then life will be reborn and a new species will be tested with the flood returning again(will they ever dissappear if a race is strong enough that I don't know)

[@ponchoremerize5508]

See that's it, I don't think they did or could have. Because if they couldn't destroy "The Flood." Which are just corrupted copies of Precursors, then how could they have "wiped them out" PRIOR to HALO.

[@tailgate8840]

Not related to the flood lore stuff but Xbox really should do what Marvel and Star Wars are doing and liscense out the Halo Ip to other studios so they could develop spin of games to fill the void while the next mainline Halo game is cooking in the oven Just look at the amount of games thats comming from Marvel and Star Wars We got Spider Man 2 Insomniacs Wolverine game plus Eas Iron Man and Black Phanter game and for Star Wars we got the two Jedi games from Respawn and Star Wars Outlaws comming in the new year from Ubisoft Not to even mention all the other Star Wars games in development The Halo universe is so well suited for spin of games like Jedi Fallen Order and Outlaws imagine a flood horror game or a game where you play as a Swords of Sanghelios elite serving the arbiter during his civil war with the Covenant that has Batman Arkham esque combat spin of games like that would be perfect void fillers and im disapointed Xbox hasnt capitalized on that

[@Grimulfr]

The mystery of the precursors was already ruined by 343Ind and their low quality storyline.

[@nexuvareldari7418]

They

[@pictusfish]

343 lore should just be wiped. I know I'm adding nothing to the discussion I just want to yell into the void

[@Arborvitar]

i bet you think buck was a good character

[@pictusfish]

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[@pictusfish]

​@@Arborvitarcharacters from Reach and ODST were weak for me honestly

[@vengefulbird6918]

The flood really does need to come back but the ass that has been writing the 343 games is so out of touch they have tried to distance their halo games from the bungie games, and their insistence in not havi g the flood resulted in the goddamn joke of the endless oooooooo look an evem bigger bad than the galactic devouring unkillabe pseudo undead horde

[@sardonicspartan9343]

I felt no loss of mystery. I feel the addition of the Banished has been far more detramental. Bring back the Covanent!

[@Bryan-uw1ny]

No. It's 343 that will CONTINUE to ruin Halo.

[@syjak9067]

Irony 1000 😂

[@Commander_Appo]

Eventually the mysteries have to get revealed, otherwise Halo might end up like FNAF. I’d rather remove a bit of the veil than add on so many you can’t even seen if there’s anything behind them

[@Jadiaz-ev9hm]

They screwed over every single 1 of us that plays Campaign only. I don't care what crap they put out for these bs seasons for multiplayer. I will never buy another Halo game, novel etc. again. They gave us nothing with Infinite, and Installation 00, you and others like you are the ones allowing them to get away with it. Halo was my lifeline in Iraq and after. Halo is now dead in my eyes after Infinite's pathetic launch and lack of support, and mostly lack of a campaign worth playing especially when they came out and said campaign would get no updates or support.

[@schizophrenic1055]

Bro Im tired of this no more horror shit for the flood over explaining it is deadass ruining bruh.

[@amdkillaplays]

What's left for mystery? They just won't reveal any more about The Endless 😄

[@Ruiluth]

No, it was already ruined by the Forerunner Saga. The Precursors are just a cheap copy of what the Forerunners used to be. Their name is even a perfect synonym. Honestly I think the whole concept is stupid and I like the original "Forerunners are humans" story way better.

[@bable6314]

"Forerunners are human" was never canon. It was a hypothetical path the story could have taken during the Bungie days, but Bungie ultimately scrapped.

[@baronpowers1564]

Jesus loves you. Come to God.

[@MrSyrchief]

I don’t know how it could ruin halo it’s already sub par from what it was

[@KitKatHexe]

Would it be a horrible idea? Yes. Do i want it to happen anyway? Also yes.

[@Coleholio]

They should go with Oni and Literally Nuke the multiplayer for a season. Apocalypse armors and more flood AI and such

[@ethan-qm8gu]

Hell ya. Some gully suits and make shift armor and weapons would go hard especially if they add a damage editor to make your armor look new or super damaged

[@literallyagalilacegenii7.690]

⁠@@ethan-qm8gulike that concept art with Jun in the gungnir armor would be super dope to see in action

[@th3thatguy631]

Too add to that make our armor break when we die similar to brute armor. It wouldn't be super violent so the game can keep the T rating but still satisfying in combat

[@Free_Krazy]

​@@th3thatguy631Huh, your idea of armor breaking actually sounds better than blood! I cant recall if infinite has blood but it felt a tad excessive in previous games. Now imagine this in a Halo BR where you just start with your gel layer under armor and maybe a shield but you have to find your armor parts like other loot and they can take damage and break requiring repair/replacment. Bottom line, we need some form of armor degredation in Halo and we need it yesterday!!!

[@warriorshedge6772]

Wow.. So this is halo fans now? "When can i get my lizzo armor core" type beat.. They just nonchalantly bring back the flood.. With no cutscene.. In the multiplayer only.. What a travesty. You guys do understand the flood is an iconic and very cinematic threat to the galaxy right? And every time you bring them back, only to be simply beat with ease, wildly under-plays the threat they represent.. And no one cares. 😐😕 no care or passion for this game.. Still no assassinations which everyone clearly forgot. You know.. We used to be different from the cod fans and BF fans, now look at us, cat eared spartans, when can i see a nicki minaj inspired skin too? Just so disappointing.. And i hear we have a battle royale now, just lovely.. What happened to "the only BR thats gonna be in halo infinite, is battle rifle". Halo is supposed to be a trend setter, not a follower.

[@Baytuh]

A little off topic but i would love to see either a book, comic, short story or what have you nots on the ancient humans that fought the forerunners not covering the war but before that. Like what was life like for them and what mysteries did they have.

[@nomercyinc6783]

how about leave halo the fuck alone as a video game. other media doesnt improve the game. which is why its great in the first place

[@RedTHedge]

​@@nomercyinc6783waah times are changing waah

[@jeremiahsoria938]

@@nomercyinc6783 uh oh someone cant read. halo books have been coming out since CE bruh get over it

[@Baytuh]

@@nomercyinc6783 ? no need to be like that we all like Halo at the end of the day.

[@animo9050]

@@nomercyinc6783 Putting lore into books is a brilliant move that allows the studio to move forward with a spartan centric story for the games and expand on everything else in detail through other means. I especially enjoy the forerunner saga which is an incredibly well written trilogy of books

[@sierra121cyan]

I think you accidentally mistook what they said like most other fans have. I don't think they ever said they were ending the narrative for Multiplayer. They were just ending the cutscenes to explain it- that's why we're still getting in-universe messages building on the lore outside of just the multiplayer that explains where battlepass themes have come from basically. They do still build on the actual lore of the universe, they just aren't making cutscenes to explain the lore anymore.

[@cheetored20]

Im gonna bet that the person that had that encounter with the precoursor actualy had an encounter with the flood, and it was being stealthily, and shes a stealth infection form.

[@amdkillaplays]

Prions are the modern day flood spores... Genuinely scary stuff

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

Ngl, i would rather have the classic flood and/or the precursors than some completely new faction like the Endless, even if they themselves are possibly precursors or are connected to them.

[@EternalFount]

It's seems likely the Endless were visited by whispers from the Precursors. Their story is the story of the Precursors and the lack of legitimacy to the Forerunners claim to the Mantle. It would be interesting if the Endless weren't a one-off villian and became a persistent part of the Halo Universe. I kind of hope they end up being immune to the Flood without being allies to the Flood. Halo is at its best when things are multifaction. That would add a dynamic where saving the Galaxy from the Flood could mean handing it over to the Endless.

[@gcsec8811]

343 can't even finish one story, they tried to "return back to basics" and ended up with a game that feels barebones, just disregarded previous games stories, now they wanna add some more lol, they're a joke

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

Endless seem like precursor helped race and that’s very cool idea. Precursors are basically gods and bringing them back as a full on faction doesn’t make sense.

[@EternalFount]

@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 I pray the Precursors never truly come back. Their mere whispers should be enough to shift the galactic order. We definitely better not defeat them is a "press rb to grenade" scene. Ideally, we would defeat them in a "hey, these things are interesting, let's wait a million years and see what happens" capacity.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Exactly. Add some new units or mechanics but we have enough factions already

[@GenuineNPC]

I'm assuming the flood returning has to be something to do with that collection of organic "blueprints" that were showcased in that one level... ❤❤

[@ajackass5950]

Nah it's because it's October so spooky and the flood is guaranteed to sell phat. I don't expect this to have any impact on the lore

[@silverbloodborne9495]

​@@ajackass5950to late No seriously in lore the flood have returned thats explains the flood Spartan.

[@ajackass5950]

@silverbloodborne9495 I just don't see 343 doing anything with the flood other than using it as a carrot on a stick to get us to spend money.

[@shangothunder1055]

Nope the next big baddies are the Endless.

[@Jermrants]

@@shangothunder1055the endless and the flood are most likely the exact same thing in some way, Different appearances sure, but definitely the same goals and the Primordial is almost definitely behind the endless

[@nicky6effect]

So I was under the impression the multiplayer was continuing the story from the survivors of the Infinity's perspective? Also, I know people didn't love the books, but the Forerunner trilogy covered quite a bit of these mysteries... Librarians voyage to another galaxy (Andromeda I think it was) How 343 was an ancient human born on one of the Halo installations... There were 2 Diadacts, Bornstellar Diadact and the OG Diadact we saw on the terminal videos for Halo 4.. OG Diadact having communed with the Precursor before going crazy evil... And how humanity was intended to take on the mantle of Responsibility... Maybe I remember this wrong or Mandela Effect going on...but didn't the Precursors create the flood as punishment for wiping them out and for devolving humanity?

[@HydratedBeans]

I was always onboard with uncovering the forerunner mystery, because they’re just advanced aliens. I do not want the precursors explained though because they’re supposed to be mythological lovecraftian literal biblical gods.

[@happyspacefun3796]

Not really, the precursors are just even more advanced aliens, the forerunners even destroyed precursor technology with a Halo

[@HydratedBeans]

@@happyspacefun3796 the lore heavily implies that they are actual gods.

[@happyspacefun3796]

@@HydratedBeans when? i just remember them being depicted as just an older and more advanced Civilization but i haven't read that much lore, so maybe i'm wrong

[@HydratedBeans]

@@happyspacefun3796 in Primordium and Silentium. They exist outside the universe and there's a lot of hints that they made the universe. So they may be aliens that are advanced, but making the universe means that they're the gods for all intents and purposes.

[@tanaflameheart8883]

dont hate me but i think this would be a good endgame for halo the flood and the precursers kinda like a mass effect short of thing.

[@tomtheconqerur]

Yes, the lore is already convoluted and having them return would just be a repeat of what happened to the Didact, the created, but this time to the banished. They should be at best a background element of the lore, not front and center.

[@vr0na843]

Is it still a possibility that The Endless are the precursors? If so, they technically already have. I think if it is done well it won't ruin anything. There will still be a lot of ambiguity in the game and people not very in touch with the lore will still see it as mysterious if done right. Keep them in the shadows, pulling the strings of the flood.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

I think that would be the best way to take the story forward. That the Endless were actually precursors and well, the flood lied. It makes more sense, given that during Infinite, one of the cut scenes, tells of how the Endless were immune to the effects of Halo - but their technology wasn't. That would allow free reign on a totally new scale - re-writing the lies told by the flood, the war between the Forerunners and The Endless(precursors) - it would explain why many left, as the other choice was basically storage in status on a Halo(Zeta Halo if I remember correctly). A new game tribology - where with a mix of Halo two, you get to play through as both Spartan, Forerunner and Endless. Along the lines of Alien vs Predator - where all three campaigns over lap with each other. Also if the programming and console processor will allow, try to have them affect each other - so on one play through, you play as a Spartan, and have to choose which side to support - then your campaign goes from there. I do like the idea of the Endless being the precursors, it fits very well. Also fits why the Lady Endless, was so against humanity, as the forerunners entrusted the Mantle to humans, after stealing it from the Precursors, so very naturally she would see it as URSURPED POWER AND WANT IT BACK. edit - would also love some games covering ancient humanity war with the forerunner and flood. I think that could make a damn good FPS and RTS.

[@Rev_Goose]

In Outcasts the Precursors were seen to have been "guiding" other species which in turn frightened the Forerunners to the point where they'd send Guardians to lock down those planets. My guess is that the Endless were one of these species being influenced and guided by the Precursors, hence why they share similar dialogue lines and connections. This is also probably why the Forerunners were so scared of finding them, their discovery not only meant they knew what the Forerunners did to the Precursors, but that the Precursors have essentially taught a species to be so advanced they could survive the Forerunners' greatest weapon

[@caenpegasus3786]

Done with the FLOOD in story as well as games. For future storylines, would be interested what is going to happen with the Banished, Forerunners, the Xalanyns and the NEW inhanced [from the Librarian] MC. Also...side story, since DATA is never completely erased...it would be interesting to know if any remnants of the [original] Cortana is still around. If so, who &/or what would benefit from using her vast amounts of human and alien knowledge?

[@trentrobertson5308]

Hey, installation 00. Do you know when you plan on doing part 4 to Halo infinite DLC, what could have been?

[@RoseSupreme]

Unable to stomach the loss of the Prescursors' mystery? Yeah, that sounds very much like you. Me though, I'm fine with it.

[@spat3305]

Yeah I’m also fine with it. Mysteries should be explore, but Halo fans are allergic to anything interesting. Instead they want the boring banished faction to be explored.

[@Djmack1992]

It's imperative that the Precursors never make a full reveal. The forerunners should have never made a full reveal.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

I doubt they will return. Endless might try to bring them back but surely won’t return as in their full glory.

[@grahamwatson46]

Just give us sum campaign dlc halo is one of a handful games that realy get in my head

[@Josh-lu2ew]

Hey Installation 00 ive actually got my own theory with some of the flood. I remember during the outcast book (spoiler) that the precursors were planning to test Humanity for the mantle of responsibility, I do believe this new appearance of the flood will build up to that test where it is the Flood and then some, an evolved version of the flood, I mean if you look at tge Rusalka kit it's a combat form with what looks like Flood Chitin, not flood flesh & bone full blown chitin, there's even two infection forms in the poor guy, so basically I believe the flood is evolving now to use more chitin than flesh in order to challenge the UNSC & if the UNSC wins this coming flood war they would have earned tgeir right to the mantle.

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

No more like, the flood return at their strongest they've ever been, a key mind instead of a grave mind leading flood as a spacefearing species and not ferral stage, if humanity survives where the forerunners failed then the mantle is humanities

[@Josh-lu2ew]

@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 the reason I say the flood has evolved is due to the Rusalka kit, that poor guy has two infection forms in him the poor guy, that's something we've never seen the flood do, and it didn't grow the normal fleshy bits, it grew Chitin in him, thats something completely new to the flood. Not to mention an evolved version of the flood with a yeah keymind or maybe the actual reincarnation of the Primordial leading this new age of the flood would be the greatest challenge humanity would face in order to aquire the Mantle of Responsibility.

[@EastlakeRasta7]

​@@Josh-lu2ew wtf is a "chitin"?

[@sa-amirel-hayeed699]

​@@EastlakeRasta7a quick Google search would answer that but I'll do it for you. Chitin is a hard substance that makes up the hard shells of insects. Eating it is bad for you.

[@vladthedeathless9439]

Wait they decanonized all the MP stuff?

[@Gator_Queen8188]

Honestly aslong as the execution is done well and its handled with care i think that it could work. Imo halo could do with some cosmic horror esc stuff would go very hard

[@tylerindersmith5480]

It depends on how "the vale" is lifted. Information from that long ago could be nothing but corrupted

[@terrelldurocher3330]

Mysterys have to be solved at some point.

[@MatthewYoink]

In one word yea… the fucking forerunners returning ruined a lot of mystery… especially since humanity were the forerunners and now we’re not… just plebs in power ranger armor with 343s narrative… 343 doesn’t know what to do with the story except to give us peabrains plots, arcs, and stories meant for 10 year olds. There is no religion undertone, no mystery, no sense of responsibility, god knows no sense of on the verge of extinction… 343 has ruined the narrative of halo and continually hang on by a thread giving you the most bottom tier aspects and calling it a story.

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

Humans were never forerunners, chief was mistaken for didact by spark reasons yet unexplained but still

[@prometheansteve178]

Lol we can just make our own campaigns now so there's always that

[@alpha2gproject783]

I don't think this will be as detrimental as you'd believe. I think truthfully Halo as a whole could use some new mystery infused into the story. Remember the Meddlers? I believe that's what they're called. I'd like to see what happens with that.

[@DillyDilly1875]

Would be nice to find out some more about the endless, maybe they are connected to the precursors in some way. Think for the most part precursors should be left alone as the mysterious entity who once ruled over the universe rather than reveal who they are and then have to replace them with someone else

[@JereBowl]

Since completing the campaign in Infinite i kinda checked out of anything 343 has been doing. Didnt even realize they released 2 more books. I'll just say that I believe they'll do stupid shit with the lore/story to bring in more $$$$ for the f2p game, no other reason. I hate that I now look at Halo like that, but here we are, it was a fun 20yrs. 🤷

[@drag00n77]

If they screw up the precursors I'm officially boycotting 343. Some things are better left to mystery. I'm not fully satisfied with how 343 handled the forerunners. If the precursors get the same treatment I'm gone....At this point they are trying to make the lore as redundant as destiny's lore. I'm not convinced they can even write good lore anymore...Just look how poorly the endless were handled. Fucking mass effect fan fiction bullshit!

[@FakeJeep]

*reads title* Well given they have no dedicated team for the campaign, AND have actively ignored questions regarding any campaign DLC... I assume we're not getting any for a few years. So all of us that bought the game to support said campaign content got library'd :D Honestly lost all hopes that we will get any and uninstalled. I'm simply not interested in PVP after the launch fiasco and wanted it for the chief's story...

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

It would ruin more than the mystery. Halo used to just be Humans trying to survive and accidentally winning. All 343 ever seems to do is bring up enemies from the distant past with stupid levels of power. The Flood were beaten, the Precursors were beaten, the Forerunners were beaten. They have the Banished and Covenant Remnants, stick with those instead of bringing back species with godlike levels of power. Not every enemy has to threaten the entire galaxy, and I just know they'll find a way to make the Precursors an enemy.

[@rabingajmer3293]

I think in the future we'll have more inter galactic lore and enemies.

[@0000archie]

Layers of mystery have been added and explained since the beginning. The forunners were mysterious at one point, and then the precursors were added into the mix. It’s always a shame since myth is often funner and cooler than cold hard lore.

[@KitKatHexe]

Typically i prefer when a mystery is established, it's let to festoon in the tide pool of speculation for a few years, and then a hard answer is given. There's a kind of catharsis in finding out the answer, and especially if you were in the speculation game, and your pet theory was close to the truth, it feels WONDERFUL! Even when the real answer is disappointing, that in itself is a form of catharsis.

[@0000archie]

@@KitKatHexe fair enough, I certainly enjoy that cycle. But with halo being around for an eternity at this point, if it’s deepest myths are explained, then there won’t be any mystery left to keep discussion about the game continuing. Either the endless are a poor attempt at creating a new mysterious foe, or are bringing us closer to the final chapter.

[@mekboy7403]

@@0000archie Definitely an attempt to create a new mystery which I don't blame them but the execution was awful. Revealing the Forerunner was a good move when they did it but the problem is they had no idea what to do after that and making the Banished Covenant 2.0 and framing the Endless as worse than the Flood was the absolute worst thing they could have done with those factions.

[@bable6314]

@@mekboy7403 The Endless isn't worse than the Flood. That was never stated in the game. You ASSUMED that. "There are things worse than the Flood" =/= "The Endless is worse than the Flood" The Primordial, and the record of what was done to him, is worse than the Flood. To the Forerunners, ruining their perfect legacy is worse than the Flood. To the Forerunners, the Precursors were worse than the Flood.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

@@bable6314Also Endless might be more dangerous than the quite dumb initial phase of flood outbreak which the factions in the Halo universe have already taken steps to be prepared for.

[@CosmereInformant]

The opening of this is emblematic of why the game sucks. It’s a full minute of “they added back in SOME (not all) expected features that have been in every previous entry and the game did better” The same developers who were surprised we wanted to play as Chief in halo 5 innovating again lol

[@jacobkemp1183]

A bro, Pateron keeps sending me emails about t-shirts and perks as I'm a a Sub Monitor, I'm not that tech savvy, quite happy Supporting your content here on YT and Patreon without the perks, your doing a fantastic job. Cheers jake

[@nikkotan2840]

I can imagine the Precursors returning to the Milky Way Galaxy along with other Mantle holder each from different species of different galaxies and then 1 of the Precursors interact with the player A.K.A. The Master Chief saying that the Forerunners are the only failure species whom they created who forcibly took control of the Mantle of Responsibility for this Galaxy. That would be shame as f' for the Forerunners at least and they also returned from 100,000 years of exile then hearing these words on the face like a faces-lap.

[@spat3305]

Halo fans don’t like interesting plots anyway. Precursors won’t ever return in game as an enemy or ally, one of 343’s community members , Alex Wakeford alluded to this. What’ll end up happening in halo infinite.5 is an incredibly safe plot involving the flood, banished and the endless as well as the unsc and swords of sanghelios.

[@JoshuaB1194]

I think people are overreacting to "revealing mysteries', Mysteries are only really good if the narrative connected to the Mystery is finished. If the story is complete then sure Mysteries are good for the story, but mainly on the side of theory crafting. Revaluations on mysteries don't ruin the lore it enriches the lore. For every answer we get, 5 more questions are created. The Forerunner saga may have gave us a proper look into Forerunner race but even more questions are left, or just created. A main question that circulated the community is the Forerunner and Precursor war, how did it end as it did? I agree that one would have to be careful with how they progress with the narrative of the Precursors returning but I don't think it will be a bad thing. Mysteries are good for theory crafting but sooner or later the answers would have show themselves, especially if the story is still progressing. This isn't a world where past events are gone and can never be recovered, the ghost of the past still walk the galaxy, and sooner or later they will be discovered. The precursors returning was a matter if 'if' but 'when', Point of Light, and more specifically Baston, wasn't an Easter egg, it was a warning. This will happen whether you want it to or not.

[@nicholasanton4237]

Halo isn't going to last forever, and, maybe soon, they will run out of adequate mysteries, and I think we should be fine with that. It would be unreasonable to expect 343 to keep supplying us with new and intriguing mysteries at every turn. Eventually, they are going to have to close the book on this wonderful saga, and I would rather have no mysteries left when that happens, versus a million unanswered questions that will never be answered.

[@Kane3621]

They unfortunately run into the same issue as Warhammer 40k, but without that universes benefit. The 40k universe is massive and pretty dodgy with its established lore. Essentially set up for retcons, and future additions. But still has mysteries that should be left as such. Halo chose the path of precision based lore, so their mysteries are more impactful. Which can be a good and bad thing. But with how small & contained it is, they dont have much wiggle room for that sort of stuff.

[@yelviegonzales8423]

Halo will lose a part of itself. As if halo hasn't been flayed to its core already. The lore was better before number company saw fit to meddle. But we've been through that song and dance already. What else does 343 have to keep this shambolic ip moving lol. All stories have to end eventually. Halo should have long ago, save perhaps for the occasional side story. I have no confidence that 343 can do anything productive with this stoy beat. One need only look over their past record to see the odds are not in their favor. On an unrelated note i see youve put up a warning on your comment section since last ive engaged in it, last few rounds of people telling you your takes were bad must have really left you chapped.

[@Chrondon]

I’m confused. 2 months ago you were saying Halo infinite didn’t tell us enough new pieces and only spoon fed new lore, and. Iw you’re saying Halo thrives on Mystery, and just a nod towards precursors has you suggesting you’re afraid they’re releasing too much information…

[@rydekk-4644]

Instead of fleshing out already existing threats (and sticking to them for once), they keep throwing in new 'curiosities' to try and keep the Halo community engaged. I'm not impressed and more importantly, convinced this is a good idea in the long run.

[@HazopGaze]

This is one of the biggest dangers of a narrative being carried forward for an extended period of time. You can't keep telling the same stories, retreading the same ground, forever, else it grows stale and boring. Yet there is usually only so many places one can go within lore and storytelling before a mystery's allure starts to take over the importance of leaving it be, the hunger for information. To maintain allure while also preventing the stagnation of the story, you have to keep creating new pathways for exploration, and the longer that goes on, the harder it gets. These situations are so much like the Flood, in that if not given due care, all will be overtaken by the desire for discovery.

[@t95kush27]

Whoever it was at 343 that decided to finish the main game franchise plotlines off screen and then begin halo infinite like that was not paying attention to their fanbase and what they were saying..Im a die hard fan played every game ocer and over ive read some books and comkcs ect and even I was pretty upset they did it that way... I prefer how star wars has handled comics and books, they create chaaracters unique to them and once they are well liked they introduce them into the mainline series that they launch, everytime a main char from a mainline series is in a comic they dont do anything all too important that would take away from or cause a lack of awareness regarding anything plot wise, it just rewards those who are more into it with the side stuff with greater depth. I really hope they keep up with it , not launching with forge and making people pay seperate for single player and also not having split screen really killed the launch , not to mention what ive covered regarding the plot.

[@Xornth]

I love halo as much as the rest of you. But one day halo will have to end. And I don't know about you but I'd prefer to get answers rather than never know. If they bring the precursors back it opens up so many more opportunities for lore.

[@peanutgallery4]

Too bad we'll never have to find out, not in canon atleast.

[@logansatomi9150]

yes absolutely never should've been an idea. 343 is filled with a bunch of non halo loving idiots who need to be fired and the franchise given over to someone who actually cares for halo not this f rank company. 3 games and they screwed up so bad Halo isn't what it once was.

[@chardeemacdennis357]

Billion Percent% agree I'd really enjoy some extraordinarily sparse Easter eggs on the Precursors, but they must not dispel the mystery at *any cost!*

[@agchains78543]

Halo has already lost everything. They might as well give us some answers about the Precursors, since it's the only interesting thing 343i has in their continuity.

[@HaloDieHard]

Granted I haven't read the books so this is maybe a misconstrued opinion but just based on the fact that the flood are basically the precursors why wouldn't they have known of or use the word sweetness as a trap?

[@PhotriusPyrelus]

HALO was already ruined in HALO 4, so that bridge was crossed a LONG time ago. Not sure why you'd worry about it now.

[@Lazypackmule]

It would be good if written well 343 would not be able to write it well Frankie managing to pull Greg Bear for the Forerunner trilogy was a miracle the likes of which this series will not see again

[@Random_98765]

I just REALLY want to be able to use odst in forge, or other weapons and vehicles that arnet strictly from the campaign