Installing a RARE SEALED Sonnet G4 upgrade in a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet!

Today we're installing a super-rare Sonnet G4 upgrade card in a PowerBook Wallstreet G3, and upping the MHz from 266 to 500!
The PowerBook G3 Wallstreet is one of my favorite PowerBooks, not least because it was the last PowerBook ever with the rainbow Apple logo. This upgrade should bring it in line with PowerBooks and iBooks released years afterwards!
But did this upgrade survive being sealed in its original anti-static plastic for 20 years? What was the Sonnet upgrade experience new out of the box like? Let's find out!
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[@MixerVM]

I like how the WallStreet has a solid white Apple logo on the lid but the old rainbow logo on the inside. It's also noteworthy for being the only "Old World ROM" Mac to use the lower-pitched startup sound of the "New World ROM" systems.

[@ActionRetro]

Oh very true about the chime, I didn't even notice that!

[@blrryface]

i like how you are """[deleted]"""

[@thackythac]

Wasnt there some rare ones that had the rainbow apple on the lid too?

[@orestes1984]

@@thackythac ​ All of the PowerBooks from the Wallstreet up wore the same white logo on the outside. The Lombard had a bronze keyboard, and the Pismo was the first Mac to sport a white logo on the inside and the outside giving us our current look. I think you may be thinking of the fabled "PowerBook 3500" which had the same motherboard as the original Kanga PowerBook. You could direct swap out the 603e daugterboard in a PowerBook 3400c for a G3 option. Therefore it would give you a PowerBook 3500 with the G3 chip. It was the only PowerBook "G3" where you could do that directly. The Kanga was a 3400 in an Armani suit, or in other words swapping out the VW beetle engine for an actual Porsche engine. A Beetle is cool yeah? But it's even cooler if you put in an engine out of the last air cooled Porsche 993 which just so happens to fit in the same engine bay. Same man... different suit and you'll look a million times happier with the G3 as compared with the 603e. As a mental note there are some compatibility issues for Kanga G3s because of that with OS X as Apple really did try to screw the pooch with OS X. There is no technical reason why a PPC Mac can't run OS X. In fact the betas did. It was a software limitation that stopped later Macs from booting OS X. There are some less than official ways to get OS X onto a Kanga however thankfully. Many people chose the Kanga because it had unofficial CardBus support.... so you could continue to use all of the same expansion cards you had all the way back to when you owned a PowerBook 190 or 190c... If that was the case for your usage and so it wasn't as weird of a crossover as some people thought. It was just a usage case machine like the last G5s that were still being sold into the intel era... If your software required it you could do it. In fact you could "downgrade" the Kanga all the way to OS 8 if needs be that your software required legacy Systems software but still have the benefit of the G3 making it one of the most versatile Macs ever released in spite of its limitations. Perhaps the only G3 option you would have had at the time if you needed software designed for System 7.6 with OS 8 technically being System 7.7.

[@christian_cheuque]

@@ActionRetro Did you ever get it to work?

[@macinjosh2223]

You probably have a healthy collection of sonnet cards. Must be an obscure collection! Love the videos!

[@sixteenbitify]

That’s my dream upgrade card. I love the Wallstreet/PDQ Powerbooks because they were the last ones with the classic Apple logo.

[@kathrynradonich3982]

This really makes me miss my pismo with 500mhz g4 upgrade. Loved that thing so much

[@ActionRetro]

Oh wow, that's amazing! I'd love to find a G4 Pismo upgrade.

[@sendark001]

Aaaaa my pismo was my first laptop... still my fave

[@sonicunleashedfan124]

I prefer the Wall Street G3

[@kathrynradonich3982]

Action Retro it was an amazing find. Met a guy on Craigslist at a McDonald’s and traded a first gen MacBook Pro for it. Think it was well worth the trade.

[@pdahandyman]

@@sendark001 145B was my first, but I loved my Pismo :)

[@jwblobman]

I nearly cried when I saw you pull those scissors out. You unfold the cardboard and that loosens the plastic

[@DigiVore.official]

Mate is was for the video, I'm sure he's remade the money. I know how you feel though.

[@braytonak]

I think I’ve found my future second husband. Go on, talk retro Mac upgrades to me. 🤓 I don’t care that we have the same name. I also love retrofitting the old bodies with modern intervals. Super bonus points for a B&W or Color Classic with original CRT showing Big Sur.

[@orestes1984]

These were one of the most convenient laptops ever made. Literally everything was modular and that's how they became one of the most popular laptops in the world... Especially for professionals in the 90s. This was literally the first computer I ever wanted, but couldn't afford at the time and the specifications for the late 90s were truly special. I'm pretty sure they called it a road warrior for a reason. You could take out the DVD drive and replace it with another battery... or hard drive... and the amount of card slots and ports it had was truly something special for the time.

[@noth606]

That system made it into Thinkpads and some others, all with their own name for it. Was dang cool though, you could have a CDROM, a Floppy, a HDD or a battery in it, pick your poison. On thinkpads it made some with almost 10hrs battery life possible with powersave on and the right bay battery thing.

[@dangerousdeo5113]

I love watching upgrade videos, especially rare hardware like this! I bet this is the lovely diamond in your collection now haha! I have a PowerMac G3 with a Sonnet ZIF 1GHz and a PowerMax G4 with a Sonnet Duet 1.3GHz Dual Processor! :-) I had to subscribe! Smashing content!

[@syclone]

Ah yes, when Apple wasn't such a bs company. Really fascinating how much upgradeability&serviceability these older laptops have. Btw, I think that card packaging was supposed to be simply unfolded, not cut...

[@retropuffer2986]

For the 1970s and 1980s Apple II computers you just lifted the back cover and had access to 8 slots for upgrading! Super Easy. It's like as time goes on they make it harder & harder to upgrade!

[@FS--ew3se]

@@retropuffer2986 now it's impossible to upgrade

[@RX-79Ez-8]

This video is such a treat. Full of nostalgia and possibility with upgraded parts that reduce so much overhead and latency. Reminds me of the end of Star Trek Voyager.

[@jonasthemovie]

14:00 was almost painful to watch. I was admiring the fold to stretch packaging and it get’s slaughtered with a scissor.

[@SudosFTW]

I wouldn't use AS5 in this case. it's semi-conductive and may have caused some of your problems. You can get a 25-gram (not 2.5!) tube off eBay of Ceramique 2 for like $7 out of Texas and I heavily recommend getting that over AS5 for applications where there are surface-mount components surrounding an exposed core die like this CPU has. I had all sorts of problems with my PDQ 233 when it had AS5 on the chip and everything went away when I put Ceramique 2 on it. You can also get your own favorite paste for this that isn't AS5 and it should do just fine the same, it's the issue of AS5 being semi-conductive that's an issue here, and it gets more conductive the hotter it gets. but I still recommend the tube of 25 grams of ceramique 2. it takes me a year or more to go through a tube of that stuff and it's cheaper than getting the small tube.

[@ActionRetro]

Thank you I'll give that a shot!

[@ThePiprian]

What's the difference to conventional thermal pastes like arctic mx4?

[@davewhite7182]

Great video. I had one of these machines from new as my work laptop and took it all around the world. It had remarkably good sound as I recall. I upgraded the hard drive (spinning) and you had to put a little mu-metal shielding as it could confuse the hall sensor that detected the lid closure. I ran it with OSX very successfully and remember the initial portion size limitation. It was my last work Mac as we were forced to move to PC's and I kept it as long as I could and longer than IT wanted me to. I resurrected it a few years back for fun and it still worked. The only difficult job on these machines is replacing the PRAM battery, you have to completely disassemble it to get to the battery.

[@cobaltmn5716]

Looking at the modularity and ease of repair that that powerbook has is insane; modern apple would never do something so. . . convenient.

[@compugod91]

i really love watching these videos because this was my dream. I remember in the early 2000s i really wanted a Macintosh laptop and i bought a G3 pismo from the local flea market and i was super excited about upgrading it but even then those cards were super expensive and hard to find. I later upgraded to the titanium, then the aluminum and it wasn't until college i actually got a new macbook.

[@Crow47]

My money is on a physical RAM issue, or as another stated, an issue with the conductivity of AS5.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I was thinking it might be the thermal paste, keeping some non conductive thermal past on hand is always a good thing, I personally keep all my thermal paste in the top shelf of my fridge so it does not dry out, and last for years, and years.

[@app0the]

I'd probably more likely bet the mSATA converter is as usual a pile of steaming crap from reject parts off Ali/Amazon and whacks the bus all over the place with it's intermittent behavior :p just get the good ol mech drive back in there and it'll likely work flawlessly

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@app0the that's possible, but I would go with a CF card adapter.

[@brokenelectronics3665]

This was interesting! I will be most interested in the followup video and how you solve the issues These are touchy machines. By the way, for the record, this is one of the first videos I have watched on my new Power Mac G5 Quad!

[@ActionRetro]

Hah nice!!

[@XodiumLabs]

Thermals don't surprise me, sadly. I had a Pismo that was given the dosdude1 treatment and upgraded to a 550MHz G4 and I was impressed that thing continued to run with how hot it got under the keyboard.

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

Great UPGrade Sean That Will Be A Beast Of A Machine Once You Get The Software Issues Figured Out

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

I’m honestly so happy the WallStreet exists. It’s a pretty cool classic PowerBook unit that’s perfect for running classic MacOS 9 and classic Mac apps. While the pismo is like the perfect classic Mac laptop of all time, the wallstreet is a great example of the PowerBook G3 as a whole.

[@will_it_work]

Not just the last Mac with the rainbow logo, but the last Mac with the Apple SuperDrive floppy (needed to make 400.800 GCR disks), and LocalTalk port.

[@ezragonzalez8936]

never had any luck with Sonnet upgrades remember working at Staples in late 90s those things being returned all the time I tried it myself when on clearance and yeah frozed up my computer hope you can make it work bud!

[@draggonhedd]

it feels weird not putting one of these in a bronze Pismo. but i love these style machines in general. Wish I still had my pismo.

[@erichilgart2865]

XPostFacto with 10.4 on here would be BEAUTIFUL

[@clickpond7825]

love your videos man, keep it up!

[@Roqueeee]

Arctic Silver thermal paste is electrically conductive and really shouldn't be used near exposed components like on that daughter board. Maybe your issues will disappear with a thermal pad, just be sure to clean off all the Arctic Silver residue.

[@fxckrio]

silver 5 isn't conductive, its one of their main selling points

[@Roqueeee]

@@fxckrio Oh my bad, probably some incorrect memory from the 00s that never got corrected. I checked out Arctic Silver's product page just now. They still discourage using it near electrical paths ("While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths.")

[@fxckrio]

yeah that makes sense, it could be worth trying smth else but it def seems thermal

[@HikikomoriDev]

omg omg you got the teddy bear too!! 22:00

[@elephantora8953]

This channel is underrated.

[@jimgutierrez9779]

Awesome I had a wall street back in 98

[@Nymunariya]

when I do my msata upgrades on G3 laptops, I try to find ones that mount the msata on top, so that when I forgo the enclosure (or cut a hole into it) I can easily swap out the msata without having to take apart the computer again. On my clamshell iBook I cut a little hole in the metal cage as well to give me that easy access. File transfers are now a breeze. And if I got the Linux itch, it's no sweat, just pop in a new one, and spend hours installing Linux.

[@orestes1984]

1) The controller chips in Macs can be really selective with the types of disks it will recognise. It's not unusual that it failed like that. It was probably just an incompatible controller chip on the hard drive. I've had perfectly good Corsair SSDs fail to boot on Macs before. Especially with older Macs there is less tolerance. It's best to try to find a drive with a controler chip that is specifically known Mac compatible. 2) It looks like the issue with your Wall Street is an outdated control panel/conflict. These chips rely upon the control panel to regulate the bus speed/cpu speed. Without it, your heat issue is probably a clock issue. It's probably trying to boot with some kind of weird bus/clock combination which is what is likely also causing your PowerBook to overheat. I've been down this road before when I used to build/repair Macs in the 90s. The heat tolerance of G3/G4 chips are really low and it's really easy to cook one of these CPUs also. Without the right bus/clock combination you're going to be overheating your Mac which is why it's running so unstable. Try OS 8.6 instead or find an updated control panel for the CPU. Also you may need to upgrade the cooling for that chip in that computer use case. 3) NONE of these upgrade companies were any good at working within the tolerances that are required. I wouldn't expect everything to work out of the box. Install a temperature monitor also (if you don't have one) so that you can check to see that you're not cooking your CPU. All of these bugs seem to be heat related... I watched your video a second time and it almost definitely is the control panel extension for it that is causing the bus error. It's probably trying to overclock/underclock your Mac which is causing the bus error. Either downgrade your OS to 8.6 or upgrade the control panel extension to a later version. 4) I'm not even sure I'd go past OS 9.1 with this combination... 9.2.2 has no added benefits over 9.1 and all of the bug fixes were for on the OS X side of things for classic. In fact OS 9 was just a bloated version of 8.6 with no real benefits what so ever. I know everyone has their favorite Mac OS versions on Classic Macs but I would really just stick with OS 8.6, particularly in this use case.

[@AmstradExin]

HOLY cow...when i got these computers, Sonnet didn't have these anymore :( :( :( A dream come true!

[@fsfs555]

Neat. The WS/PDQ was always my favorite because the drive bays were more functional (native floppy support and both bays could accept a drive unlike the later models which could take only one drive, in the right bay), it has two PC Card slots, and IMO the keyboard is superior to the later models. I kinda wanted the G4 upgrade but they're really expensive so I kind of sour grapes'd it and got a 466MHz G3 instead, because honestly unless you're ripping MP3s or in PhotoShop all day and/or spending all your time in OS X there aren't any benefits to AltiVec and thus a G4 so a G3 is good enough for most uses. Also it usually runs cooler than a G4 and has better battery life (if your batteries still work, that is). There was a time that one of the upgrade purveyors (DayStar, IIRC) offered a G3 CPU swap that used the uncommon 83MHz variant of the WS processor module. I'd really like to get one of those.

[@johnfinn1570]

Greetings from Australia Many years ago I had a PowerMac 6100/66 and it was great. Then I bought a sonnet 233mhz accelerator card and boy did it fly. However it only lasted for about 6 months before it died. I got another card after I discovered I couldn't live with a 66mhz machine anymore. That sonnet card lasted only a few months. Then I decided to upgrade to a newer machine and write off my losses. I later found out that sonnets upgrade cards were very flaky. I suspect that poor air flow was the culprit causing premature failure. Stay safe

[@cwaldrip]

It was honestly a pleasure working on the wall street back in the day

[@retrochristmas7329]

"DONT BELIEVE THE MHZ MYTH, ITS ALL ABOUT THOSE PIPELINES." Steve Jobs

[@EriolGaurhoth]

I'd love to find one of those Sonnet cards, or a BlueChip for the Pismo. So impossibly difficult to find these days.

[@Saphykitten]

Wow this is awesome! I have a 500mhz g3 upgrade in my Wallstreet

[@Dan-TechAndMusic]

Sonnet Purple Power :)

[@Natures_Intentions]

I have a bid on ebay for one of these Mac's. I sure hope I get it. I have been in to collecting for some time but the old systems are getting hard to find. I hope you get the thermal sorted out.

[@matthewbond5028]

I have a Pismo with a 550MHz upgrade. its an awesome computer.

[@ActionRetro]

Woah that's awesome!

[@NavarraJohn]

oh yes ! old-school powerbook video

[@peporgan]

We need to see the conclusion to this project, Sean!

[@MainAvel]

That Macintosh SE/30 is rather blursed than outright cursed

[@insertaverygenericnamehere]

I had a Wallstreet. Was a very nice laptop back then - until an Apple authorized dealer broke it. And never paid for the damage. 🤷‍♂️

[@FS--ew3se]

Damn

[@LaskyLabs]

"God damn SATA to IDE adapters... You're like a drug I can't quit." -Druaga1

[@pdahandyman]

Had a Pismo with this very card from Sonnet installed and maxed out RAM. I adored that machine, and it was hella more stable than this Wallstreet. Sorry you're having so much trouble.

[@JDW-]

Hi, Sean. I searched your channel for the keyword "Wallstreet" but I am not finding any follow-up video. I assume that means you never got it to work? I myself have not been able to get mSATA SSDs (with mSATA to PATA adapter) to work in my PDQ, so I would recommend only testing the CPU upgrade with a stock spinner HDD. That way you know the SSD isn't a cause of your headaches. Because in my machine with the stock CPU, the SSD causes all manner of unexplained problems. It's basically unusable. Anyway, would love to hear what has transpired with your machine over the past couple years. Thanks.

[@woldemunster9244]

YESSS!!! If searching online, duckduck it!

[@Firefoxsimp]

firefox+duckduckgo=❤️

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@Firefoxsimp Seamonkey and duckduckgo

[@DesignTechie]

It’s scary how much this shares with the older dell latitudes

[@azumono]

Ahhh this makes me want to buy a PowerBook G3 - I've been stalking them on eBay but haven't committed to anything yet... that might change v v soon, lol

[@Radi0he4d1]

wow imagine how easy and intuitive it's been twenty years ago!

[@laurensnieuwland4657]

Aww dang, I wish my g3 was in such a great shape!

[@JapanPop]

So awesome. It’s like the turbo powered grandpa of the black 2.0ghz core2 Duo macbook.

[@mattrichardson4351]

Okay I’m hooked to your videos

[@johnshek8727]

Action retro where are you getting these in box cpu upgrades, im looooooooking for one and still trying to find one, tell me your secretssss

[@cesarespinozaspain]

I know my comment is a few years late but. Do you know how hard it is to just find one of these Wallstreet or Pismo's in decent condition, with the charger, or batteries? where do you get these???????

[@SonnyHung]

Ah, this was the processor upgrade I found for my Wallstreet. I had the G4 500Mhz running to use it with my Apple Newton MessagePad 2100. Unfortunately, I had to sell it a few years back. I would love to get it back so I could connect to my Newton again. I didn't run into the issues you had installing this upgrade.

[@FS--ew3se]

Why did u sell it?

[@SonnyHung]

@@FS--ew3se, it was time to let this one go.

[@FS--ew3se]

@@SonnyHung kzbin.info/aero/PLnQa3snKdrQrLMyc3NIwADj2rhfh2leVF

[@olegkotul6511]

Thank you for youre videos. You beter try Mac OS 10.2.8. I had experience with one QS Mac with Sonnet 1.6 PPC CPU. This system was stable without any problems and any kind of aditional software from Sonnet. Allso it's the last Mac OS X that supports third part CPU's. Good luck! Waiting for new video.

[@olegkotul6511]

I sold it two years ago. Now i got MDD dp ppc 1.25 with 10.6 Leopard(after watch youre video) and it's very perfect.

[@andrew1977au]

Did you put thermal paste between the cpu heat spreader and the cooling solution?

[@willcheyney]

Makes me want to get a PowerBook G3! TiBook G4 definitely had the easiest keyboard I've ever removed.

[@gentuxable]

IIRC those old Macs had a fixed drive limit of 127 GB, maybe that threw it off.

[@EsotericArctos]

Is it still unstable with your original RAM installed? Wondering if it may be a RAM issue given you changed both RAM and processor at same time.

[@ActionRetro]

Yep, same result with original RAM.

[@adamtheman17]

i think the hard drive maybe is dyeing, i would replace it, also sometimes the system will see the full memory but might not support it so it may start to cause problems

[@lolladinz]

Using a copper shim might be an idea for the heatsink, also i remember you could screw the circular heatsink thingy down slightly on the card by turning it :) Also those cheap small mSATA adapters suck hard - i have had nothing but issues with them, in everything from a amiga 3000 to pcs and macs, they are abit unstable and creates alot of errors in the communication between the ssd and the computer. The only mSATA adapters i have had any luck with is the more expensive larger ones(the version that is the size of a 2.5" hdd)

[@Lemony1456]

Great video!

[@Storm_.]

I would consider creating a completely new heatsink solution if you can. Perhaps find yourself a larger copper shim to put on top of that CPU, perhaps something that makes perfect contact with the metal roof cover and use thermal paste instead of a pad there.

[@ActionRetro]

Oh yeah, I actually just ordered some copper shims thinking the same thing!

[@WillOnSomething]

Bloweymatrons always save the day!

[@hfiguiere]

8:11 looks like the OS doesn't support HFS+. This is what appear when you try to mount a HFS+ on older MacOS. (albeit that's not the problem here)

[@ipeters61]

Ah...the Wallstreet. I'd love to own one to play with. 2:07 - Wasn't it the last Apple product overall to have the rainbow logo?

[@dreamvisionary]

'Observe precautions for handling', 'Will do processor', then proceeds to handle without ESD wrist-strap 😂

[@MixerVM]

I've never had any electronic components get damaged from ESD and I've never used a wrist strap in 10+ years of computer service.

[@Skwisgar2322]

@@MixerVM same.

[@waterheart95]

Only needed in dry high static environments or super sensitive parts.

[@Xoferif]

@@MixerVM Modern electronics usually have a certain amount of ESD damage protection built in (generally 4kV human body model), but 90s electronics didn't.

[@DrakeDaraitis]

Awesome video! If I had any recommendations it would be to move the mic a little farther from your mouth/nose, as the breathing is a little distracting. Other than that, very interesting and expect to blow up soon!

[@rjc862003]

you know IDE tops out at 133MB/s most UDMA CF cards can do >140MB/s, problem is CF To ide adapters more often then not max out at 66MB/s

[@ast3663]

strangly I was not able to boot from my (burnt) install CD after installing a mSata-to-IDE adapter into my PDQ 233Mhz Wallstreet..when I removed the adapter it booted with the CD..I wonder if the original old 2 GB Toshiba HDD was internaly set to slave by default on the IDE connector somehow..

[@2dfx]

I wonder if you would have had success formatting the 128GB with a patched version of Drive Setup?

[@AiOinc1]

I want this, this is the ideal setup.

[@adonisnetworks]

Always apply thermal compound all over any exposed CPU die area , a pea size is never enough in my opinion , to little can overheat any exposed die .

[@I_am_Allan]

I'd like to know what the "CANADA" government logo (under the keyboard) is attached to...

[@3DGECASE]

It's a sticker certifying that the modem is compliant to RF regulations from Industry Canada. It's the Canadian equivalent to "Complies with FCC Rules" stickers.

[@insertaverygenericnamehere]

You could have unsealed it by simply unfolding the cardboard. And you could have reused it later this way.

[@CrossedCoder]

Are you meant to turn the pc off yourself during the tones?

[@geekjit215]

Are you Snazzy Labs because your voice is so similar to him. 😅

[@kittyztigerz]

get yourself more mx-4 paste because it work a lot better than other paste out there n i did do test stressing CPU out only got up to 50c "with overclocking " n whiles idle at 30c "room at 60f" hope this help you out because i been thur ton of pc repairs thur a lot customers "they bring broke pc n i fix it make few buck off of it "doesnt hurt to put too much paste because it cover CPU to heatsink to reduce heating more"

[@BBHexKey]

Be really careful using arctic silver on CPUs with exposed caps. If you get that paste on a cap and short it, you'll have some unexpected instability. I recommend MX4, it's safe for gpus and exposed dies.

[@dreamvisionary]

I wish they were as serviceable nowadays.

[@thedopplereffect00]

Are you going to enable virtual memory? Would that be pretty fast with the SSD?

[@ToTheGAMES]

Just like the intel-macbooks :)

[@jeremytravis360]

I found it useful and safer if I formatted hard drives in a separate G4 computer before installing it as an upgrade.

[@oliversakic5907]

I wonder if the 8-bit guy watches your videos

[@bujin5455]

...I'm sure this has been addressed at this point, but I think down clocking it is the ticket.

[@twizz420]

I always thought it was Sonnos... I'm an idiot

[@snesmat]

You should try to install Mac OS X on this machine!

[@WalmartMustacheMan]

Id love to own a PowerBook G3 Kanga

[@Vlad-1986]

Years using insensibly this laptop, and now I learn it's missing the heat sink

[@storm_f1788]

Nice vid

[@kryptoniurn]

You have some problems with msata and SSD drives lol

[@CommodoreFan64]

He really should go back to a CF card, as they do make 64GB CF cards for under $40, also the conductive thermal paste could also be a possible issue, along with the RAM. Anyone of those issues, or all 3 together.

[@gnustep]

OS X?

[@MTS_IT]

nice

[@alerey4363]

Well you confirmed the pre-intel macintosh meaning: most apps crash if not the operating system hangs; great job!

[@TheAwey21]

like for the bombshell

[@JessicaFEREM]

Tfw most powerful rainbow mac