Installing an Intel Arc A380 in a Dell Optiplex 7010 SFF

[@TheGameBench]

Unless you're willing to flash a modified BIOS, you're loosing at least about 15% performance running any Arc card in these older OEM systems as Arc is designed around Resizable BAR and these systems have no way to enable it despite being supported by anything with PCIe Gen3. Granted, the RX 6400 isn't really an option either since it's problematic in Gen3 slots and the 1650 is just too expensive, and you mind as well get the 3050 6GB. Hopefully the 3050 6GB will push used 1650 LP prices down to a more reasonable level, but I've managed to grab a couple for around $100, and that's what I would suggest people with these system buy.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

H61/H81 chipsets for 3rd/4th generation (which is what is in the Optiplex 3010 and 3020) only support PCIe 2.0, so a modified BIOS may or may not help in this case. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it for the Optis since they're so popular. I would have liked to see him run some actual GAMES, not just 3DMark. Oh, hey... we meet again. lol

[@TheGameBench]

@@SeeJayPlayGames You're absolutely right, the 3010 and 3020 are Gen2 only, so the BIOS mod would be worthless for those people, but the system in the video is a 7010 which uses the Q77 chipset and definitely has Gen3. So it would absolutely work, but I don't think it's worth, even thought the A380 is really the best value at around $100 right now in the LP market... at least for a new card. It's just that modifying a BIOS and flashing it to the system is super risky for most. But yeah, I would have liked to see some actual games testing as well. Still might be better than resorting to something like a 1050 Ti or an RX 560 on the used market. I'm currently working on a bunch of testing with a ton of LP cards, A380 included. So, I'll be finding out for sure.

[@OptiGPU]

Been working on follow-up video showing how to use ReBarUEFI by xCuri0 to modify the BIOS and demonstrate the difference in games, but ran into unexpected difficulty specific to Dell. I’m pinning your comment to help ensure viewers are aware, and if I can’t get it working soon, I’ll have to take down this video - I don’t want people thinking they can modify the BIOS with ReBarUEFI in this particular Dell if it’s not possible or that games are playable without it. In my experience, it wasn’t just a performance decrease, but the games stuttered bad enough to be unplayable. I’ll work on new videos demonstrating it in a different brand of old office PC with PCIe Gen3.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

@@TheGameBench oh, you're right, I didn't realize it was a 7010 when I posted that. And yeah, flashing the BIOS would be a risk, but we're talking about a $100 system on the line here. Certainly a risk my broke ass wouldn't care to take, but people with more money might dare. I just wish there were more decent single-slot low-profile cards for this market. I got into SFF because I was in a transitional period of my life and needed something that would be easier to move with. And for that, it's been a good machine. Though I have to say, buying one of these machines has made me resolve to not do such a limiting thing again... next time I'm going with a full-sized PC that can take a real video card. And probably not a DELL anything. Maybe Lenovo P520 or HP Z4 G4.

[@jrdoughty13]

I saw in the GitHub project someone had done a 3020 and a 7010. I snagged a set of them on eBay for 30 bucks each and I'm going to try it. Looks like there's some additional steps detailed in the notes on the rebar project for them both.

[@Mirra2003-f9s]

The 7010 is probably one of the most legendary Optiplex systems that got turned into relatively decent gaming PCs. Dirt cheap and very reliable

[@YunoDoesGames]

Recently got an old thinkstation p310 with a e3 1240 v5 cpu. My buddy wanted it so he bought an a380 not knowing rebar was a thing but shockingly out of CS2, skyrim, Borderlands 2 AND 3, warframe and cyberpunk the only game to not have over 60 fps was cyberpunk which wouldn't even run. Rebar is HIGHLY recommended but NOT required for anyone asking

[@DanielAnderssson]

Wow cool to see that Intel are doing GPUs. I bet they could dominate the budget GPU market if they tried

[@Mirra2003-f9s]

They might in the future. Their cards perform better and better when they release new driver versions

[@jamesdavies686]

They are light years behind Nvidia and AMD

[@ivanlimzg]

Only for 10th gen and above mobos cos it needs ReBar

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, that’s right. Especially if you can’t get the workaround I tried to work: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@Jazzybreaks]

I got a free Optiplex 3060 from work with an i7 8700 and m.2... I will definitely be putting the A380 in it.

[@Wild_Cat]

It's best to use Intel Arc A-Series GPUs with motherboards that support ReBar

[@DavidKcPrice]

Anyone know if the fan cooler is swappable into the 7010 13th gen lga1700?

[@RameshSeelochan]

regarding the unsupported video configuration, in the Dell Bios there under Settings - Video - Multi-DIsplay, you'll need to check that off, then you can boot the unit and be plugged into the onboard or add on card.

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂 with that video card plugged in can you see the Legacy Bios screen if u boot into the bios, cause some Radeon cards you cant see the bios screen so i was wondering if arc cards have that same problem with older hardware

[@wagnonforcolorado]

I have seen several YT vids on not using resizable bar on the ARC series. Seems to hobble the GPU by about 15%. YMMV. I think you could make a video with this setup, and show how well it plays some older and less demanding titles. Since the vid card could be transferred into a new build, down the road, you might get a mom/dad who want to upgrade the old Dell in the garage for the kids to play minecraft, roblox, or something similar, and then move the card to an upgraded PC in a year or two as the kids get older.

[@kushy_TV]

not just by 15%, in some titles, it can decrease performance by up to 70% when you dont have resizable bar

[@quisqueyanguy120]

​@@kushy_TV70% performance loss is massive, not worth it.

[@kushy_TV]

yeah exactly@@quisqueyanguy120

[@OptiGPU]

Ok, here you go: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@AugustusMcMillan]

thanks for this. mine arrives tomorrow. hopefully i wont have this issue. but ill have this guide if i do.

[@Fifjdijnejddinddksksksks]

Did it work?

[@AugustusMcMillan]

@@Fifjdijnejddinddksksksks no. the height was fine. but it was too long. i planned to get a new case during Prime Day to put components in. but forgot. trying to decide if ima buy a case now. or wait till Christmas sales.

[@foobar-9k]

Man, I wish I could buy something like this here were I live (at those prices, PC hardware is WAY too expensive here, and second-hand market is just old/broken stuff). Would be finally able to update my AMD K10 + GT 1030 big un ugly tower :-D

[@vigamortezadventures7972]

The rebar is probably the only issue I also did something similar

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, that is correct: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@Raintiger88]

I'm going thru what you went through right now. Except, my A380 fans stop spinning just after it starts booting. I've had to put a fan on the A380 to prevent overheat. Doing the install/uninstall of the card in my test bench with B460 and i3-10100 has trashed that boot drive. I'm not trying to get it working on a Thinkcenter M Series with 16GB RAM and an i7-3700. Still can't get it to work.

[@Raintiger88]

@mayconrj2149 Without the fans? Absolutely it won't. It gets REALLY hot and I know this because when I first trying getting the card to work, it was in my test MB with i310100. The fans would not turn more than a second while it waited for the drivers to load. The card locked up during the driver install and it burned my hand when I reached down to see how hot it was. Your only option is the Sparkle which is a single slot card. I did get it working in the Thinkcenter following pretty much what the author of this channel did. I put it back in my test MB and now, oddly, the fans turn as they should. However, I could not get it to work at all (stuck on VGA light during boot). I 100% do not recommend this card to anyone.

[@Raintiger88]

@mayconrj2149 ​ @mayconrj2149 I commented on this, but it doesn't seem to have posted. Bottom line is absolutely no. If you need single slot, look for a Sparkle card. Single slot and will work for you. I posed my experience with the B460 on pcmasterrace. PS: 100% do not recommend anyone buy this card. I did get it to work on the thinkcenter, but as others have already mentioned - performance is less due to the lack of resizable bar. I put this back in the B460M, but cannot get it to boot (stuck on VGA LED on MB). Oddly, the fans spin now just as they should on that MB. Installing the intel drivers seems to flash the BIOS on the GPU which is something they should tell you if it's true. I did not do extensive tests on the Thinkcenter, but it appears only marginally faster than the 780M on Ryzen APUs. That's sad, if true

[@smite0568]

Figured id let you know you didn't have to remove the Wireless Adapter. FYI There is an option in DDU that you can check which prevents allowing Windows to install drivers after restart.

[@OptiGPU]

Yes that would be a more sophisticated solution

[@TPPPP]

Can ReBar UEFI improve H.265 video encoding with Handbrake, or is it primarily for enhancing gaming performance? Because Intel Arc A380 GPU is the best choice for video encoding, if it can improve performance with ReBar, that would be great.

[@OptiGPU]

It looks like the answer is yes according to this Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/IntelArc/s/wdL5qW5Sr3

[@johnisawwasjs]

please help. i want to take that gpu for my optiplex 7070. can it work and fit ?

[@juanlopez502]

i thought these new intel gpus dont work well with older CPUs? atleast thats what ive read

[@stebo5562]

They work better with resizable bar. Some older computers have it since it’s just a standard pcie feature

[@TheGameBench]

They don't. You'll leave about 15% performance, or more, with it disabled and you can't enable Re-Bar in the BIOS on these older systems even though it's a supported feature of any system with PCIe Gen3.

[@FallenSkump]

thank god more people are getting and showing off this graphics card, im debating if i should get this or not

[@OptiGPU]

As long as you’re able to turn on Resizable BAR. It should be good.

[@antonioton-tonfukuchi3106]

I'm looking for insights on this budget rig: I purchased an sff OptiPlex 7010 equipped with a 13th gen i5-13500, 16GB of 3200MHz RAM (dual sticks), and it has a 180W bronze-rated proprietary PSU. Will it be able to handle an RX 6400? I've seen conflicting information online, so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

[@macskaichardware]

Game benchmarks? Anything?

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, here you go: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@vigamortezadventures7972]

I could play most games but want to get it to run pubg the cpu hits 100% each time I’m thinking it’s the psu the one it came with is 180 the recommended settings say 350 psu or up .

[@mando7558]

not much space between the GPU and the power supply for airflow. Would like to know what the thermals are after the GPU install

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, here you go. This one has in-game testing with thermal view in an overlay: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@iExpertxC4x]

Can you test this in Davinci Resolve with AV1 encoder?

[@Sr.DudeGuy]

I seem to be having the same problem, but my card wouldn't even display anything to start. I'm using a TV for a monitor, could that be why I'm getting no signal to start? If I boot up the system with the card in but VGA hooked up to a computer monitor, it'll load but I can't seem to find the GPU anywhere I look... The driver updater can't recognize/locate it, the fans on the GPU will turn on and off repeatedly.

[@Zactivist]

I have to wonder, would this card work in an HP SFF like the EliteDesk (or ProDesk) 800 G3 SFF? The benefits it seems to me is they are actually a similar price range, newer generation CPUs, DDR4 RAM and M.2 NVMe support rather than just SATA. But I've never seen anyone pair this GPU with one, maybe I'm missing something.

[@Sr.DudeGuy]

I have a SFF EliteDesk 800 G1 and i cant seem to get the a380 i just got to work... it wont even detect it, but the fans will spin

[@Zactivist]

@@Sr.DudeGuy Thanks for the heads up! I wonder what's different about the HPs that makes it not work. Shame... I've seen these with better stats than the Dells for $35!

[@galacticjac5239]

So did not having the ablity to turn on rebar effect performance that much?

[@Niemand]

About up to 15-20%... so it's can be notable

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, here you go: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@catherinemorgan2741]

Have the same model and name monitor my 27 what is yours

[@ajingolk7716]

You can put an expansion card for nvme 😊

[@Fifjdijnejddinddksksksks]

Is this problem still around?

[@TalentedAndHot]

would this work with an A750 and a riser cable? i got a free optiplex & im trying to make a frankenstein computer 😅

[@okkymahardika748]

Testing av1 stream with capture card

[@langers503]

Thanks for the review. It be great to get a follow up on real performance rather than synthetic. My 7010 sff is currently on order and I have really been torn into which GPU. Never considered the A380. Ideally, the 1050TI or 1650 would be preferred but prices in Australia 2nd hand are just ridiculous. My 7010 will be used for emulation so almost willing to go down the not so ideal 1030 route (the DDR5 variant). Pretty keen to run some Teknoparrot games as a bonus hence the Navidia GPU preference but to be realistic , I think the 1030 is lacking a bit of fire power. I did come across a 1050ti variant from AliExpress made by GraphicsPlayer for $200 Australian dollars. Not a lot on intel out there regarding these. Anybody here got any idea if worthy of a gamble? Or maybe give this ARC a bit more consideration?

[@OptiGPU]

For performance, I’d recommend GTX 1650 or RTX a2000. How much more are each of those right now in your country? I’ve seen the 1650 price come down recently in the US. The problem with the a380 is lack of Resizable BAR support in PCs older than 10th gen. There is a workaround that should work for gen 3, but I haven’t been able to get it to work with Dell’s BIOS. A follow up on performance in games is coming, but without getting ReBarUEFI to work, it’s not pretty.

[@langers503]

Look forward to the follow up :) Yes totally agree that the 1650 is the preferred choice but just out of reach financially. Currently if you can source on eBay or marketplace, folks asking anywhere from $320-400 US dollars and a little more expensive for the A2000. 1050TI a bit more realistic but have noticed they are snapped up very quickly. Seen 1050’s sell for around the $100 US mark here, but very hard to get. For the time being I’ve just snapped up a new 1030 (DDR5 Variant) which will be fine for now and will run most emulated games I throw at it and a few teknoparrot games. Just can’t justify spending that sort of cash at recommend GPU’s. It just defeats the purpose of building a cheap emulation system. Might as well put those funds towards a full rebuild using a 3060 for example and have the best of both worlds utilizing for newer games as well as emulation. The RX6400 looks like a good option at around $160 US dollars but again, being a AMD card , prob not a good option for teknoparrot.

[@Alend222]

can I install this GPU in a Dell Optiplex 3090 sff with stock PSU?

[@OptiGPU]

I wouldn’t recommend it. RX 6400 maybe, but it would be pushing it.

[@jetski275]

no need for a psu upgrade?

[@MRi-iq5wf]

Doesn't lack of resizeable bar make the games stutter and lose at least 15% fps?

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, and severe stuttering in some games: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@Supskkhatri]

I got a question, can a rtx a200p 6gb ddr6 work on my dell optiplex 7010 sff?

[@OptiGPU]

If you have the 240w power supply yes. Just remove Dell’s proprietary retention bracket b/c the a2000 will stop it from closing.

[@Supskkhatri]

@@OptiGPU Alright thx I just wanted to know cause I am buying one.

[@mamba7628]

Top 👍

[@OptiGPU]

Super!

[@jamesdavies686]

That system doesn't support resizable bar so pairing it with an Intel ARC GPU is a bad idea

[@OptiGPU]

Yup. Here is the evidence: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk Apparently someone got it to work in a 7010 with ReBarUEFI on GitHub

[@rahulpandit1749]

Rx 6400 is better imo maybe better drivers mine got a 10000 graphics score in firestrike and 8600 combined score with a newer i3 8100 in an hp sff pc

[@christensen2325]

I bet that 8th gen i3 recked the 3rd gen i7

[@christensen2325]

What flavor? Orange

[@rahulpandit1749]

@@christensen2325 flavour?? It's a saphhire pulse card

[@mhc-lilzoey2979]

Hey opti i wanna buy a rtx 3050 low profile and i wanted to know if it would work would be cool if you did a vid about it

[@OptiGPU]

I will look into picking one up for a video - thanks for the suggestion!

[@BRIGS21]

isnt there a 4070 and 3060 lp

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Only a 4060, which requires a power connector

[@BRIGS21]

@@My_Old_YT_Account nope just checked there's a 3060 LP

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

@@BRIGS21 it's the marketing bullshit ones that are still wide, just not long. It wouldn't fit in an SFF case.

[@BRIGS21]

😂😅nope the one i saw is actually lp and fit in an sff no catcht all @@My_Old_YT_Account

[@FroggyTWrite]

are you planning on doing a follow up with gameplay and benchmarks?

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, here you go: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk

[@galen__]

👍

[@OptiGPU]

Thanks

[@Budgetbuilds449]

donut cat flavor?

[@OptiGPU]

Love it

[@سعيدبوحنبل-ه3ب]

WE need games

[@OptiGPU]

Yes, here you go: Testing games with Intel Arc A380 in OptiPlex 7010 - no Resizable BAR?  kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2GWgph3lq-giMk