Intel Arc Goes Where NVIDIA Won't: A580 GPU Benchmarks & Review vs. A750, RX 6600, & More

[@GamersNexus]

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[@Dom_Mason]

I like having another player in the gpu market. Keeps competition on their toes and prices down. The A580 is not to bad of a gpu for some entry level gaming, or basic desktop 4k stuff. Does anyone know if Linux / Debian kernel support this line of Intel gpus? Open source like AMD?

[@gintozlato1880]

Do you Guys Ship To The UK?

[@C_P_B_C]

Yo! I have a A770 ARC 16gb and it plays Starfield NP. wtf?

[@Winnetou17]

Why isn't there a single mention of RX6500 ? I know it's with problems, and it's most likely not very relevant anyway, quite a different class and pricing (I think, haven't checked). But at least a mention why it's not included would've been nice. You know, if it's not literally the bottom of the barrel, show what's below too, even if it's 40% lower.

[@mikkodoria4778]

Please keep benchmarking total warhammer 3, just ignore the new total war game

[@M10-z1q]

Seeing a $180 entry level GPU come equipped with dual 8 pins for power is just absolutely wild to me.

[@ulasht1]

Intel's still working on the Overclocking Software, and every other Driver Update is a firmware update, honestly I feel like Intel has a Rare oportunity that Nvidia does that they could make use of the in chip graphics processing of some of their CPU's to help with Loads to the GPU in a weird Pseudo 3DFX version of SLI setup. as 11th, 12th, 13th, even 14th Gen, all have similar architecture to Arc for their Integrated graphics.

[@unnoticedhero1]

Good, AMD and Nvidia need to have competition in this tier of GPU market because they often severely limit GPU performance in this price class. Most PC gamer's have GPUs in the $150-300 price range and there's not much improvement from the last couple generations of AMD/Nvidia in that price range, I'm hoping Intel's 2nd gen Battlemage cards really shake up the low-mid end market.

[@infernaldaedra]

​@@unnoticedhero1yeah low end GPU market disappeared with mining craze

[@dylanherron3963]

@@unnoticedhero1 Good take, I've been VERY comfortable tailing 3-ish years behind the curve and allowing marketing trends to die and liquidation sales to happen ;) My card 5 years ago was a 230 dollar 1660ti, and my upgrade last year was a 6650XT on Cyber Monday for $240. I'm off the GPU market for the next 3-4 years with that lol, considering I'm a 1080p 144hz gamer anyway.

[@hondajacka2]

yea. but performance is ~2060.

[@CNote929]

The fact that the 1080 Ti is still competitive on these charts is absolutely insane

[@rundown132]

goated GPU

[@YetiMusicCity]

@@rundown132 I have the 11 GB one, still excellent 👍

[@WCGwkf]

Used prices make a 1080ti probably the best value for a budget build

[@4Wilko]

I love my 1080 Ti. It's so good I'm always considering grabbing a spare one as a backup just in case. If I could just jam more VRAM into it I'd be more than set waiting for bad GPU trends to taper off.

[@MrGr8productions]

Nvidia will never make the mistakes that were the 1000 series cards again :/ true power house my 1060 and 1080

[@EdenElectorate]

I always knew Intel could do it. They have the resources to be that 3rd player the gpu industry needs to remind the other two they actually have to compete with each other.

[@MistahGamah]

​​@@WhiteG60I'm cautiously optimistic. Gelsinger has shown he's perfectly willing to cut or divest large Intel projects (Mobileye, Altera, Optane...), so the fact that Arc has lived this long I think is a positive signal. Plus he's on the record saying (paraphrasing) he wants Intel GPUs to be one of his lasting legacies. Mostly just worried that the order comes from someone above him...

[@visitante-pc5zc]

@MistahGamah yeah. The pressure for quick results

[@youreright7534]

They aren't doing it. They're making $200 cards... they still can't even keep up with amd in terms of making mid range cards and amd can't keep up with nvidia in terms of high end cards. It'll be 5+ years before Intel has a good high end card, if even.

[@thefreewayoctopus]

⁠@@youreright7534The fact that their first gpu series (which was significantly delayed) is even relevant is impressive, they’re having to catch up to years of advances by amd and nvidia all at once

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

They straight up don't have the resources

[@wildfire5181]

Seeing the GTX 1080 TI still going strong all these years later brings a tear to the eyes.

[@m.streicher8286]

The last great Nvidia card. They have never, and will never, match it.

[@WCGwkf]

​​@@m.streicher82863080 is the card you're looking for same launch price, huge generational gains. Used price to performance best values are a 1080 and 3080

[@MegaManNeo]

Pascal remains one of the best generations across all vendors.

[@damasterpiece08]

it's being gimped to oblivion unfortunately, in some games it's running much worse than it should

[@panathaninf]

My card: the boss

[@Sonic6293]

It's been interesting to see Intel's progress in the dGPU space, I'm optimistic for Battlemage. I hope they can crush it in the low end space, I'd love to see what they can do with 75W of headroom(especially if they can do something to outshine low profile single slot options like the RX 6400/GTX 1650).

[@GamersNexus]

Battlemage is where Intel will really need to prove itself. At that point, they'll have learned all the necessary lessons on the driver side -- it'd be good to keep NVIDIA (in particular) in check, although AMD could use the check too.

[@quittessa1409]

Here's hoping, I'm running an A380 as an AV1 encoder and quite happy at it's performance there, but have a 2nd hand 3090 as my gaming card@@GamersNexus

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

I switched to Team Red with a 7800 XT in an all AMD build, but I still have interest in Intel Arc - in fact I rebuilt my Intel-based rig with the A770 16GB card I have, and keeping it as lower powered rig.

[@Wifelover_]

There already is a 75watt low profile 2 slot that far outshines those. It’s the RTX4000 SFF ADA. Even its previous gen RTX A2000. However as workstation GPUs their cost is often not worth the performance.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

@Wifelover_ I'll never buy anything from ngreedia ever

[@Majima_Nowhere]

The pricing is mindblowing. In a good way. A year ago, you couldn't find a 1650 for less than 200 bucks. I bought an A770 for a build a while ago and was impressed with the price/performance of that one too. Intel is absolutely on the right path here.

[@DuBstep115]

And if that price drops to 150 as steve said, that best in class then for $/fps

[@davidrenton]

i brought a computer 3 years ago with a 1650, quite decent the whole thing cost 330

[@toufusoup]

Props to Intel for keeping at this and not just abandoning it like Microsoft with their Zune. It’s really impressive what they’ve been able to do, not to mention good workstation performance!

[@DoNotFitInACivic]

I hope they keep at it, as Intel has a history of getting pissy if they aren't the top.

[@sahara8771]

Zune did get a second gen, it was more a matter of timing... and the fact that gen 1 was literally just a rebrand of a Toshiba mp3 player. Anyway, the iphone came out shortly after and within a few years mp3 players were a mostly niche product because smartphones existed. Not entirely comparable on how much investment they'd be throwing away if they stopped supporting it, and it's also not a market that's just going to completely evaporate in 3 years.

[@BTechUnited]

Unironically miss the zune software, thanks for reminding me of that.

[@vn_loc7316]

​​@@Failure_Is_An_OptionZune was as good music player as iPod. Problem was the lack of apps. Same with Windows Phone, both had great UI.

[@hashbrown777]

Yeah my Win10 phone was amazing. But no apps and MS gave up :( they tried so hard too with making those android->uwp apis

[@zdspider6778]

3:39 So Intel can make a 256-bit card for $180, but Nvidia can't. The "4070" and "4070Ti" both have 192-bit, when ALL 70-class cards sold in the last DECADE (since the GTX 670) came with 256-bit. Nvidia can get bent.

[@aaronriggs4430]

1080ti officially made it all the way through the crypto craze, GPU shortage, and pandemic. Fkn legendary.

[@Rspsand07]

Two gpu shortages and mining crazes. There was one in 2018 as well

[@aaronriggs4430]

@@Rspsand07 in my eyes it was one long period with inflated prices :(. I just wanted a 1060 for msrp forever.

[@WildkatPhoto]

Im just happy someone is making GPUs that are normal sized. Its amazing to see a 1ish slot card.

[@Derkiboi]

Ok, I'm not the only one thinking about this

[@legendaryhero90]

Gpu that don't take up half my pc case!? What an outrage! /s

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

It's not the GPUs that are big. It's the cooling. Weaker cards need less cooling hence the compactness

[@visitante-pc5zc]

And game developers need to relearn to code properly. At this rate we'll need a datacenter to run the next Bethesda game

[@MistyKathrine]

And less than $200!

[@c99kfm]

I bought the RX 6600 on release as an emergency stop-gap, and I'm increasingly aware I lucked into an extremely good purchase.

[@SIPEROTH]

On release am not so sure because it was like $330. I guess you still got your money's worth since you can still used it just fine and that is a good few years for a $330 card but i bought it start of this year just because it was crazy cheap at $200. And i have to say i don't regret it. It plays everything on 1080p that my screen is. For only $200 it is more than capable.

[@c99kfm]

@@SIPEROTH Thing is, this was during the Covid price insanity. I was just about to bite the bullet on a $500+ 6600 XT, when the 6600 launched and I managed to pick one up for $299.

[@c99kfm]

Or maybe that should be "crypto price insanity". Well, the consumer-side price bubble which preceded (and arguably led to) the current-gen vendor-side price inflation.

[@marlon.8051]

@@SIPEROTH i got an 6600 for 150$ off le aliexpress and it ran anything i wanted and the power comsumption of the card is amazing, definitely a big upgrade from a gt 1030 for me

[@ericwright8592]

The real story here is the GTX 1080ti solidly hanging on in most of the charts.

[@RepsUp100]

Elf, Orc, Titan... I love Sparkle's Arc GPU names

[@liquidcorundum6568]

They go well with Intel's fantasy-inspired codenames.

[@geraldh.8047]

Thank you for reporting on idle power. Please include it other reviews as well ! 👍

[@AlexSchendel]

It's wild that there's a $190 A750 right now... Over a 33% price drop since launch, and it was already decent value back then! Between the massive driver improvements and the 33% drop in price, it's become wayyy better

[@User9681e]

If people keep not purchasing the card it will turn free lol Just needs some guy to unlock the disabled units on the chips and we have decent ray tracing for nothing

[@nathangamble125]

It's not wild at all. It's completely normal for GPUs to get cheaper a few years after launch. You can buy RX 6600s for less.

[@HunterTracks]

​@@nathangamble125RX 6600 has been on the market for twice as long, and the MSRP for it isn't that much higher ($330 vs $290). Things aren't really going great for Arc cards at the moment.

[@lordhellriser1]

43 wats de consumo en espera, esa tarjeta no la toco ni con palo 😂, la energía no me la regalan

[@SIPEROTH]

@@lordhellriser1 Yeah that is an issue that Intel really needs to just sit down and solve as fast as possible.

[@A-Monkman]

Still blows my mind that the 1080 ti is still on the charts, what a great card.

[@NoGoodNoob]

That also shows how lacking the improvements of the newer Gen cards have been. I guess it's good to look at the charts with optimism though 😂

[@Niiwastaken]

Tbh the 1080 ti was a top dog when it came out so im not really surprised.

[@fayis4everlove]

It's a $399 card with 11gb .. come on..

[@m.streicher8286]

The 1080 ti isn't a very good card, it's just that progress has stagnated since 2016.

[@NothingXemnas]

​@@m.streicher8286 Ok, let's not be contrarians, here. All in all, even older 8GB AMD cards can still be used for gaming at 1080p, as demonstrated well by Optimum Tech, and the 1080ti is above even that. In fact, if such old hardware tech still works, I'd not argue these are the ones stagnating; it is the software that isn't getting more demanding.

[@DustyCruz]

Im using the A770 16gb LE. And man I gotta say this card rips everything at 1080p. However, like what has been said in numerous videos(including this one), do not get these cards if your motherboard doesnt support reBAR or if youre playing older games. DX8 in particular is hit or miss annd some OpenGL games have weird graphical bugs.

[@coatlessali]

Have you tried DXVK for DX9 titles? Intel seems to have their Vulkan driver in order and it might provide a boost.

[@MayaPosch]

Happy to see idle power usage. Since most of the time the system will be sitting at the desktop, being used for browsing and watching videos, it's really useful to know which components are the most efficient during those period. As I'm trying to put together a new rig that doesn't idle at ~100 Watt like my 2015 Skylake 6700K, GTX 980 Ti one, this is of great interest to me. Sadly, it's also a kind of metric that seems surprisingly hard to find, somehow.

[@codyjohnson9321]

Picked up an a580 on black friday from Newegg via TikTok for $109! Should arrive today. Will be great for my sons PC for Christmas. Thanks for this informative video.

[@mikehank2896]

how is the a580 gpu? i'm considering it?

[@flamingscar5263]

This GPU proves Intel is in it for the long haul, no one expected this card to come out, we all assumed it was cancled, but Intel still kept their word and released it, completing thier trifecta of the 3, 5, 7 branding A380 A580 A750 A770 I can only hope a couple generations down the line we see a 9 series to compete with at least the top end, probably not enthusiast level (90 series) but it would be nice to have a more competent competition with Nvidia at the 80 class range, AMD isnt doing bad, I even am considering a 7900xtx but it is limited compared to Nvidias GPUs of the same class Worse raytracing, little to no AI cores so no DLSS Intel has embaraced AMD in the fact they nailed raytracing first try, the fact that a $180 GPU can handle raytracing on ARC at 1080p when AMDs $200 offering barely does is embarrassing, AMD has been in the game for long enough that they should have crushed it

[@Greenalex89]

Raytracing is too inconsistent, buggy and experimental for me to care, let alone buy from ngreedia BUT AMD hasnt been innocent in that case. I usually avoid Intel CPUs cause I think they gotta step up their technology and not the clock speed, but the upcoming battlemage would make me upgrade if its a higher end card for a criminally cheap price. Like a 1080 situation revived..

[@draxrdax7321]

@@Greenalex89 Not to mention ray tracing on entry level cards brings all the cards to their knees. So unless you want to play games at 30fps with RTX on a 200$ card, better give up on using it. For me RTX is just a marketing gimmick. Giving up on 50% performance for an improvement you can barely notice, and that only in certain situations, it's not worth it.

[@raresmacovei8382]

There's also the A310, lol.

[@aerosw1ft]

​@@draxrdax7321i share that same "RTX is a marketing gimmick" mindset about a year ago when I purchased my 6700XT, but seeing how more games are utilizing it and how it can genuinely be a game changer graphics wise in some game *cough* cyberpunk *cough* and also the fact that intel is doing a pretty nice job on RT compared to AMD whose on they're 2nd gen RT enabled cards, it's really starting to look like the way forward for gaming graphics. Like it or not AMD is neglecting this feature, and they might be caught with their pants off by Intel if they don't start getting more serious with it

[@DKTD23]

The 7900XTX is a great video card. Pretty easy to undervolt as well.

[@richardgilson3512]

Thanks!

[@LuigiGodzillaGirl]

I applaud Intel about as much as I can when it comes to big tech mega corps. Arc has come a long way since launch, reaching a point where I almost feel comfortable recommending it to friends. I hope they continue the good work.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

Sparkle back with GPUs???? What a time to be alive.

[@Blaquegold]

Remember how AMD cards used to be? Look at them now. I think Intel will eventually get there too. We need this competition to keep both Nvidia and AMD in line.

[@Zapdos0145]

let’s go, some nice intel GPUs. crazy surprise drop

[@visitante-pc5zc]

You should buy one to support intel, bro. We need a 3rd guy competing. Jensen and his leather-jacket needs to be humbled. So tomorrow you go to a PC store and fetch one

[@Zapdos0145]

@@visitante-pc5zc i own an A750 for my secondary gaming rig, got it day 1. pleasantly surprised. however as steve says a lot i don’t think it’s up to us to support the multi billion dollar company that is intel.

[@russellg1473]

@@visitante-pc5zcyes because intel has proven to never get their hand dirty with type of manipulation nvidia and amd have been pulling recently…. /s

[@pyroslev]

Intel is still trying and playing the games. They're putting in the work. They're cards are still punching up in ways that are surprising. If this does drop to that $160 range with a good driver update, AMD better pay attention to the budget section.

[@andersjjensen]

I hate to say this but given the ever increase in wafer prices (and the A580/A750/A770 use TWICE as much N6 as the RX7600) due to the decade delay on EUV lithography, Intel is just trying to break even at these prices.

[@martinkrauser4029]

@@andersjjensenthat's an awfully confident statement to make on a firm's accounting for an outsider

[@Fullduplex-hp1uj]

@@martinkrauser4029 Its not. The same economics apply to these GPUs then to AMD's or nVidia's. GPU's are manufactured by an external party and since intel needs bigger GPU size and bus with for the same performance, their costs will be higher. AMD's low end already is competing with nVidia's marketing through pricing, so it does not bode good for intel, that they have to manufacture a mid-range spec card (GPU size, but with, VRM etc) that can only compete with low end.

[@andersjjensen]

@@martinkrauser4029 "to make on a firm's accounting for an outsider" Uhh, well: Publicly traded companies must publish quarterly public financial statements. And they must be accurate. AMD lumps dGPUs and console chips into the same category labelled "Gamin products". Last quarter they reported a 24% gross margin. Observe that gross margins and "real" margins are very different. Gross margin means "if we sell a chip for $100 then, when we're doing paying TSMC, our Malaysian packaging plant, and for shipping to our partners, we have $24 left". That is, gross margin does not cover RnD, foundry bring-up costs, driver development, technical support for board partners, etc, etc. For reference AMD has a company wide gross margin of 46% (driven up by much higher margins in datacenter). Their gaming segment is, by far, their worst earning segment in terms of margin. Add to this: Intel's graphics uses not just almost twice the chip real estate for the same performance, but also more power (A380 is 406mm2/175W vs RX 6600 at 237mm2/132W) which means that Intel cards need a ~33% more beefy VRM which, obviously, means more base cost to a final board. Which again means that Intel sees less money in hand when a partner sells a board for $180 than the performance equivalent form AMD for $210. When you're at a triple disadvantage like that (must be cheaper because of brand stigma, uses more chip area and needs more support component) in a market where the competition is already absolutely fierce, then you WILL make shit margins. If any at all. AMD has had periods where their gross gaming margin was 9-12% for several quarters straight despite having comparatively (to Intel) competitive products, and they have run into the reds several times due to minor snafus like product launch delays. TL;DR: Just because you don't personally look into the financial statements of publicly traded companies doesn't mean others can't gauge the situation to a reasonable degree of accuracy. If that wasn't possible then investing in stocks would pretty much be pure gambling.

[@zachknell8125]

I like the look of that card. That blue-ish color is pretty nice!

[@DKTD23]

The A750 hit $199 again for Prime Day. It's still the better buy for sure. Great to see the continued strides!

[@snowhawk04]

Newegg has had all the A750 models for 199 and the Sparkle A750 for 189.

[@tortellinifettuccine]

It's not a better buy over literally anything, a gtx 1070 would literally blast it out of the water for half the price used

[@eli72481]

@@tortellinifettuccine where is a 1070 blasting an a750 out the water

[@tortellinifettuccine]

@eli72481 in every possible metric, again, you wanna be a corpo rat go ahead, let them test outdated tech on you for the price of a new tech. A gtx 970 could literally blow it out of the water. I don't have anything to prove, I'm not sponsored by Intel....now these creators....thats another story.

[@leolandi3852]

used 1070 ? a 6 year card that went through the mining craze? you really feeling lucky if you're willing to flip that coin. @@tortellinifettuccine

[@saucyg6371]

Your guy’s efficiency is insane. A 24hr turnaround for this review is just mind boggling to me.

[@WRXnumberSeven]

Having more competition is only good news for us consumers - excellent!

[@KerbalLauncher]

For the idle power draw issue, you need to turn on ASPM in the motherboard bios so that the OS can control the low power states on the GPU.

[@tj3495]

Paul's Hardware's review pointed out a huge drop in performance from simply opening up the in game menu in Starfield. Most of the time in which it did not recover unless you reloaded the game. Did you encounter this as well? Others have mentioned it with different hardware configurations as well though.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I am not going hold Starfield against Arc, it also ran like trash on my RTX 3070/ RX 6700 10Gb / RX 6600 and still not DLSS /XeSS added yet with patch.

[@Kapitaen_Flauschbart]

I hope Intel really gets their Battlemage lineup goin, I see much potential!

[@JoJoJenkns]

I’m sure a lot of people world wide watch this that may need the idle power consumption number. As some places that idle draw may make a difference Ina home lab or a person starting out. It’s also great we can get all the numbers from a reputable 3rd party. Thank you Gamers Nexus Team For the work you guys do!

[@jimbodee4043]

Good job on the quick 24 hours turn around on the review after the delay in delivery.

[@gio2vanni86]

Its crazy to me that the 1080ti is still pulling weight 7 years later.

[@pirobot668beta]

The design of the ten-speed bike is over 100 years old, but it just keeps on going. A good design that fills a need will never go out of style.

[@moonasha]

I have a 1070 (about to replace it with a 4060) and it runs pretty much every game to this day perfectly fine. Games honestly just haven't increased in computing demand that much in the past 10 years. Alien Isolation is going on 10 years old and still looks utterly amazing. People are saying cards are stagnating a lot, but honestly, computer graphics are kind of stagnating. The only real big leap we've had is ray tracing, and it was such a big leap nvidia had to put AI in the cards to make it even playable

[@sashacrossi]

Honestly gotta say I love that you include games like FFXIV in these reviews! Before I bought my RX 7600 I watched your video about it and I didn't expect it, but it helped me out at choosing the card immensely.I couldn't be happier with it! Got it reduced and raiding is a whole new experience compared to 17-40 fps I had before! Thanks ♥

[@endurofurry]

Biggest thing to me and the reason i got one was its extreamly cheap to have AV1 encoding which is were i put it in my media server. if you have a media server HIGHLY recommend it for that AV1 support.

[@killingtimeitself]

depending on the codecs you use and hardware you prefer, intels modern QSV support is really good. And the recent cpus are power efficient as well. Overall 12th gen is a great homelab platform for those looking for a simple media server build.

[@jgorres]

I'm extremely happy your review unit got lost in the mail so you could test with launch day drivers! I was kinda pissed at other reviewers that tested with the "wrong" drivers just to get their videos out on launch day, even though they knew a significant driver update was right around the corner.

[@Slane583]

I bought an ARC A770 back in July to play around with and so far it has been very promising. It wasn't really a replacement for my RX 5700XT per-se, more of wanting to try something different. I don't follow the newest AAA games as none of them really pique my interest, Starfield falling in that category. But everything that I play as far as games go run quite well on the A770, the Black Mesa remake of Half Life runs at high fps. My most played game, Sniper Elite 5, has the settings maxed out in quality and the internal resolution scaler is set to 140% to get more visual fidelity at 1080p. It runs like melted butter. :)

[@vincentvanrijn7469]

Those blue PCI-E 8 pin connectors look fire 0:40

[@QuantumConundrum]

This is great. I don't expect battlemage to have all the issues sorted out from the start, but I am hopeful of what Intel brings in the future. I just think that software/driver maturity takes way longer and some more long term patience will be required.

[@soju69jinro]

7:03 Wow... the gtx 1080 Ti still owns soo many released budget cards... They are literally like $180 or less on eBay...

[@RebelSapph]

I got an a770 after my 3070 died, needed something quick and didn't had a ton of money, decided to give Intel a chance, I like weird and not super popular hardware after all, and honestly? not disappointed, been with it for about a month now, the only issues I had was with Starfield, everything else is fine. I'm super looking forward to Battlemage, as you said in other comment, its where Intel REALLY needs to prove themselves and I hope they can pull it off, we need to give Nvidia a check asap.

[@sworddice]

seeing 1080ti not at the bottom surprised me. the old man still packs a punch!

[@2K8Si]

The 1080ti... Wow... Still belting out some good numbers in 2023...😁

[@Mike-wo2dk]

Please review touch screen monitors! It’s amazing seeing a feature that was pushed so hard in the early 2010s being almost completely dropped. There is little to no genuine reviews out there now. An objective analysis would be amazing.

[@bob_ohms2low75]

Extremely interested to see how battle mage goes! I've got a 3080ti in my main system, but would love to build another all Intel build.

[@nebraskarooster9244]

Great video - thanks as always for putting this together and breaking things down like this!

[@TheyCallMeMrMaybe]

I'm continuing to root for Intel, here. As soon as they release a comparable and stable-enough enthusiast card, I am for sure switching from Nvidia.

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

The only reason I can see anyone sticking with Nvidia at this point is CUDA for productivity. If you don't care about creativity/productivity or RT, Arc and Radeon are better cards. I have an A770 in an all Intel lower power rig, and a 7800 XT in an all AMD rig as my main PC.

[@andreaslegomovies]

Thanks for including the idle power, much appreciated :) I'd really like to see proper power efficiency rather than just max power draw. I.e. a measure like W/fps (=J/frame). Or energy per unit of compute, total energy (J or kWh) consumed during a well defined task, e.g. a blender rendering task. In this case also reporting the duration of the task would be nice. (Phoronix includes this type of results once in a while, but mostly for CPUs)

[@lurkii_721]

Would be funny to see a A580 vs RX 580 vs GTX 580 test.

[@Shiny_Dragonite]

If I hadn't built my most recent PC with the intention of playing a brand new game (Armored Core 6), I probably would have gone for an Arc. One of my friends is building a PC but he's not the most tech savvy person and Intel's finally getting the drivers to a point where I can recommend the cards and this makes me happy, particularly since he asked me about them. Outside of the first gaming PC I built 15 years ago (god I feel old saying that lol), I've tended to be more on the budget end and a solid card from Intel that I could trust would be a godsend.

[@olnnn]

It would be really useful to see a test of these more budget cards combined with a budget CPU as well to see how driver overhead/scheduling implementation comes into play when the CPU is closer to the limit - other channels like HUB have demonstrated significant differences between AMD and Nvidia there in the past and I've seen anecdotal reports of arc cards being somewhat sensitive to cpu-limited scenarios too. While it makes sense to eliminate any CPU bottleneck to evaluate raw performance it's also very useful to evaluate how the cards perform in a more realistic setup as well, these carsd won't usually be paired with a top of the line CPU.

[@sijedevos2376]

Yes please. I have a750 paired with a r5 5600 and I’m seeing like 30-40fps on the same settings he did in horizon zero dawn. Cpu usage 90% or so. Also lowest settings 1080p fsr ultra performance gives me like 60-70fps. This is tested with rebar on, dual channel ram and it the frozen wilds dlc. Also baldurs gate 3 suffers really bad inside the city on arc (even in vulkan) while a similar nvidia card doesn’t on the same system.

[@LouisDuran]

I remember when Moore's Law is Dead was sure, sure, sure I tell you that Intel was going to quit the dGPU market by now.

[@__aceofspades]

Bought my girlfriend an A750 for gaming (and for me to use for AV1 encoding), its been great in 95% of the games we've played, only a couple issues. For $190 I'd absolutely recommend it compared to buying more expensive 7600 and 4060 cards, which it trades blows with from my research. Also id rather support Intel, as AMD and Nvidia proved they will milk consumers with their duopoly.

[@SurelyYewJest]

NICE. Bringing out the ol' 90s cleanroom sparkle crew.

[@EnvAdam]

I cant wait for next gen arc although I dont plan on replacing my GPU for the next 5 maybe more years, mainly for a couple reasons, 1. hopefully they fix the idle power usage which I think is down to the memory bus and related never clocking down unless the card is literally off, 2. hopefully we'll see less of starfield although it runs fine on my A770 but at around 50ish FPS regardless of graphics settings and the most recent driver did fix the light flickering issue. anyway as said happy with my A770 16GB LE, had it since last year around this time.

[@sixteenornumber]

The new starfield drivers are fantastic. Just a couple weeks ago, I had trouble playing on 1080p, now even 4k is playable on a a750

[@T0beyeus]

I am really hopeful for Intel Arc, I just bought a a380 for my moms mobile workstation. It was nice to know I could get a GPU for $100. If Intel can get their drivers working smoothly and keep the price to performance competitive I think they will do really well. I have recently been a convert to Team Red for GPUs just because Nvidia cannot provide price to performance, I would be just as open to Intel for my gaming GPU. Intel overall needs to work on their power usage though, it is one of the things starting to push me to AMD for their CPUs

[@DeltaSierra426]

AMD's latest APU's about keep up with any GPU's around $100. Honestly, I think the only way to get decent value on low-end graphics going forward will be CPU's with good iGPU's. That is, unless one is looking at $150 GPU's and higher, in which case iGPU's just aren't at that perf level. I don't think Intel will let themselves remain far behind AMD, either.

[@HYPERSHAONARCA770]

Just bought the ARC A770 today and watching this vedio with my new pc , Intel is

[@habitualoffender4957]

So glad to see them doing better. I know they still have some growing to do but looking at where they were they are great. Wont be long that NVIDIA and AMD will have to do alot more.

[@CrimWorld9]

Why do you suggest 4060 over the 6700 when they are same priced but 6700 is consistently better?

[@Yudginklg]

I use Arc750, play almost only WoW and I like it. For me it was the most reasonable purchase, cause I don't play modern games. This card allow me to play with rt if I want, and I like Intel's XeSS technology.

[@GCAT01Living]

Now, if only they worked with Linix for the whole 5 of us out here wanting them. 😅

[@NPzed]

Thank you very much for including the 1080 Ti on the benchmarks! As a 1080 Ti owner, its extremely helpful being able to see how the card has aged to the newer generation cards and when it might sense to jump to the next card again!

[@PhAyzoN]

Humanity has yet to truly evolve past the 1080Ti. Best card ever

[@jjjuhl]

Thanks for including power consumption under load AND idle. Both are important numbers for people in Europe where the price of electricity matters. 🙂

[@dan_loup]

Starfield is a bit complicated because according to people messing with it trying to make it run well on DXVK, the game is basically broken, with the nvidia drivers fixing it rather than being a regular software.

[@Neatrior]

Exactly. There are workarounds with this issue with DXVK. But in order to truly fix it, it’s gotta be fixed by Bethesda. Will they do it or not? Probably not. Wish more tech focused channels like this one would talk about this issue. It’s clearly deeper than just hardware and drivers, Bethesda gotta be called out for this or else nothing will be fixed.

[@pikkyuukyuun4741]

​@@Neatriornah bro, Bethesda fans have been brainwashed to accept the only correct way to fix a game is to have modders do it

[@raresmacovei8382]

VKD3D* for Statfield. Not DXVK.

[@bunnymaid]

Including the ASK TAX (maybe), ASRock Intel ARC A580 GGB OC ~= 35000 yen. Which is about 20$ ^^; Sparkle arc a750 orc = 31800, Sparkle arc a750 titan = 36000 definitely one of the more affordable ones here.

[@matthew_ferguson]

I found a Gigabyte RX6600 Eagle open box at Micro Center for $118 a few months ago. I even got Starfield for free with it. That card is still a real competitor in the budget world. And now with the FMF beta? It's shocking.

[@masterluckyluke]

But that's not the normal price for the card, you just got lucky. ;) And the Arc card provides modern technology like AV1 encoding and much better RT performance + the drivers are getting better and better and in several games it already outperforms the 6600 easily. When Intel continues the good work, there is a lot to gain with an Arc card. But of course, if you are able to get a used 6600 for that cheap including a modern game, that's a great offer. But you can get lucky with every card out there.^^

[@gabsol7397]

​@@masterluckylukeyou aren't going to play with RT with those cards tho...

[@Frendh]

Idle power consumption is very interesting to me. Thanks for including.

[@martinzhang5533]

The second gen intel cards would be great. Really looking forward to more competition in the gpu area.

[@AjrAlves]

I've been with my A750 since January. I baffles me how much it improved since I got it.

[@Ghgtet]

It will keep improving since Intel drivers are new

[@Kikker861]

Please do encode/decode benchmarks! Gaming is one use, and AI is another, but encode/decode stuff is used everywhere from cloud gaming to video rendering. Intel's video encoder might shine in other applications

[@stoneymahoney9106]

Wrong channel, not relevent. You're also looking at it from the wrong perspective - hardware performance is less important than the software support as coded by the developers of each individual editing/encoding application, so testing specific applications with different encoders would be a much more useful comparison as editors should be selecting the hardware according to the workflow, not the other way around - and there's other channels out there that can help do exactly that.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

Impressive work on the drivers. The RX 6600 used to be mostly on par with the A750 and was the obvious choice, but nowadays is on par with this new A580 and clearly below the A750 (power effficiency aside, of course)

[@draxrdax7321]

Their problem is, the Intel cards performance is not consistent in all the games. There were games in this test where the RX 6600 had over 100 fps and the intel cards could barely pull 40 fps lower, while on average they had higher or similar FPS with the RX 6600. It's probably an optimization problem, but if you as a customer want to play a specific game that the card isn't optimized for, you'll get a nasty surprise. And it's not only Starfield.

[@RaydeusMX]

Not Intel related, but I still can't get over the fact that a 4060 still performs worse than a 1080. Nvidia is so garbage these days.

[@leonro]

I'm pretty sure the 4060 should do better than the 1080, at least in newer games with dx12 and vulkan. Edit: yeah, so the first four games are Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, Total War Warhammer 3, and Tomb Raider, and the 1080 Ti only beats the 4060 in BG3. Even then, they're pretty close.

[@Noliving]

Steve referring to the Radeon 6600 as the Arc 6600 at 19:36 minute mark just lets you know how much of a rush they were in.

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

LTT propaganda

[@shadowr2d2]

Competition is always good for the consumer. I hope that Intel will. Keep on making there GPU. So you have a choice. Intel, AMD, & NVIDIA to choice from. I don’t want to sale my body organs. Just to play a video game 🎮 on my PC.

[@martini668]

Great to see another company in the mix

[@user-to1su2iy4d]

Having a full Intel build would be awesome. I've had too many problems with AMD in the short time I've owned their hardware and Nividia doesn't seem like they're gonna play ball anytime soon.

[@staggerdagger]

^^^ NVIDIA is pricey but works out of box. Amd is like linux in hardware form. It takes work to make, well, work. Intel is one of the most reliable for the price rn

[@m.streicher8286]

If you've had problems with Ryzen, it's most likely your fault.

[@OmniDuck]

@@m.streicher8286I love my Ryzen but I had an Asus mobo with the 3.3v bug. No visible damage, but it has not been smooth sailing. Of course now it’s rock solid, but I bought it near launch and it was pretty buggy. Not the CPU I think, but the NB stuff like the integrated Wi-Fi blue screening, instability when using DDR-5… Also I don’t think I’ll ever get used to a 90C operating temp. Lucky the eco mode is so good!

[@zihechen3111]

@@m.streicher8286😅ryzen has all kinds of problems. Just when ppl trying to point those problems out online. U fanboys defend amd like it is ur king or ur masters😅

[@zihechen3111]

@@m.streicher8286u amd shills are live in a world amd can’t be criticized whatsoever. Those issues amd has doesn’t go to u, bc ppl bringing those criticisms up got attacked by u crazy fkers

[@Adrienne_Quelle]

It's been nice seeing FF14 perform solidly on these cards at 1080p and 1440p; it's sometimes still easier to recommend a console for FF14, especially if someone's already got them (and with the Series S and X getting FF14 later in this patch cycle), but Intel having a solid showing makes options for people who wanna play XIV on PC that much greater. It'll be interesting however that changes when they release the benchmark for Dawntrail, which is slated to have a major graphics overhaul; the requirements for that are steeper (minimum GPU being a GTX 970 or RX 480 at 720p, and recommended GPU being an RTX 2060 or RX 5600XT at 1080p).

[@Sherolox]

Wait, is Dawntrail the next expansion after Endwalker? Or just a new patch? I haven't checked up on XIV in a while.

[@Djeddozo]

I wonder if there is or will be an advantage similar to AMD's smart access memory if you would run a both Intel CPU and GPU. Also, love the GPU color design. Gives me playful older gen consoles vibes

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I think having three different platforms with AM4 / AM5 / Intel, there is a chance it could act different with a none iGpu / Cpu like a 5700x on B550 vs 12700k

[@bagasfabianmaulana]

There's an advantage. But not on gaming performance. If you had a Intel CPU with iGPU and ARC GPU, Deep Link will enabled to boost AI and Encode/workstation stuffs performarnce. Sadly ARC really needs ReBAR so low/old end systems cannot utilize full performace with ARC (unless the buyer know how to add ReBAR into their UEFI)

[@Kerosyn]

this was always by far the most interesting arc card to me since the initial announcement, so it's nice to see that it finally exists and pretty much lines up with what I expected, even if the power efficiency is hilariously bad. when these drop to $150 or lower (which they really should be considering the fact that the a750 can be priced nearly the same), then a used 5700XT might finally get dethroned on the value front. I want one

[@FieryMeltman]

That is a beautiful graphics card. We really need more colors and design variety in the GPU space.

[@svarthofde2492]

8:10 Nobody plays Pharaoh, so you guys can keep TW W3 in the charts

[@hongluzhang7771]

A suggestion: as the chart numbers get crowded, I personally would prefer three numbers display in their colours in one line instead of now cramming each other.

[@4brotroydavis]

Off subject.....but when fam benchmarked the number of Xs in the 5600 ......pure gold

[@michaelstanley5215]

A580 is going to be an OEM product where a discrete card is essential for the marketing material. At OEM pricing it might make sense as it makes no sense at retail.

[@thedanyesful]

I'm just happy I have an option to buy from a company with a long history of stable open source commits and drivers up-streamed into the kernel.

[@peterjohnson5872]

Intel's GPU naming is going to get confusing fast. The A/B/C is simple enough to follow but then you have the numbering mess. It's like cross generation numbering inside one generation comparing A580 with A770 similar to 3080 vs 4070. Imagine soon we'll have B750 etc thrown into the mix too.

[@gaetanoisgro6710]

I still have no idea which card is stronger 😅

[@ryanspencer6778]

It's similar to the CPU naming scheme. First number is market tier, second number is performance class in that tier. For example, the A380 is the fastest card in their low end tier of cards, A580 is the mid range card, and so forth.

[@tzuyd]

Oh man, Sparkle wasn't a name I was expecting to see again. They were my first ever GPU! A Geforce 3Ti

[@bleeb1347]

Intel is the value king right now. We needed another RX 480/580 type card, and Intel is the only one delivering. Got one in my Plex rig, and my God does this thing beat the crap out of nvidia’s CUDA. (QuickSync)

[@Deliveredmean42]

Funny enough, they have the same numbers!

[@endurofurry]

Not only that you get the AV1 encoding for really cheap compaired to the other cars that have it! Media server is were i am using and arc as well.

[@bleeb1347]

In my Plex server I was previously using a Quadro RTX 4000, and before that a Quadro P4000. I’m using ARC A380 right now, and I’m getting triple the simultaneous transcodes that the RTX 4000 was getting. Triple… QuickSync is a beast for transcoding.

[@Noliving]

The radeon 6600?

[@bleeb1347]

@@Noliving the MSRP of the 6600 is still $330. That is too high to be a value card. The MSRP is the indicator of manufacturer intent, not the street price.

[@damasterpiece08]

Thank you for having a few old cards on the charts ! great work

[@heyspookyboogie644]

It’s wild how well the 1080ti still holds up to this day. Absolutely wild.

[@maxstill9216]

It's not holding up, the card can barely perform on 1080p, it also doesn't support DLSS, or any of the new tech.

[@equinoxe3d]

Ditto, wasn't expecting it to hang around a 4060/7600 but there it is.

[@mitsuhh]

You're having a joke right? And it supports FSR2/3 which has basically the same quality as DLSS@@maxstill9216

[@mitsuhh]

I use my 1080 Ti at 1440p, not 1080p, and I'm playing all the games I play at high/ultra graphics quality@@maxstill9216

[@WardenOfSouls]

i really really like how this all came along. I went for an A770 LE 16GB a few Months ago and experiencing it getting better and better is pretty cool! i am Playing Starfield with it on 1440p and it is absolutely playable. Cant really complain about anything much so i hope they keep it coming with the driver Updates and the next Generation. Intel did a good thing this time

[@user-Marrk]

Look at that 1080 ti go!! Great series of cards.

[@MrLilredmachine]

Still in the mid pack of cards even now. Stunning card, the 4090 of it's time.

[@sijedevos2376]

Yes but problem is FSR 2 and XeSS looks pretty bad on 1000 series for some reason. I have a A750 and a Titan XP (slightly faster then 1080ti) but the Titan just looks really bad with FSR and XeSS. XeSS makes sense because uses Arc hardware but FSR doesn’t make sense.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

Sad thing is the 1080Ti never cost $179 new.

[@maxstill9216]

For a super flagship card, it's not holding that well, its struggling at 1080p, and its power draw is also insane by modern standards.

[@MrLilredmachine]

​@@sijedevos2376'for some reason' being that the 1080TI was released in 2017... Before any of these technologies existed. These tests are all native resolution unless otherwise stated, so it means a nearly (if not actually) 7 year old card is still straight toe to toeing a 4060/4060TI level card in 2023. That is mad. Also shows how little actual graphical horsepower has moved on in those years, with manufacturers happy to settle for weak cards backed up by AI to try and make up for the lack of horsepower, whilst still trying to charge like they did something other than sit on their hands.

[@razormarkz]

Honestly, this makes me more excited for the battlemage intel gpus (hopefully) coming out next year.

[@jaffarbh]

In my humble opinion, Intel Arc 580 and above are useful for developers with limited budget who needs to build software that utilise Intel's OneAPI (OneAPI is Intel's answer to Nvidia's CUDA). Other than that, it's hard to recommend for now.

[@defnotapenguin]

I currently use an A750 on arch, where I can use the Mesa drivers, and man are these things powerhouses for the price with good drivers. I also ran an RX6600 and the a750 handily outperformed it in anything gpu intensive. My brother runs an a770 and plays red dead 2 pretty regularly at 4k, and seems pretty happy with it. I've asked before, and he rarely experiences crashes, which happened to me when my arc was on windows, which i find impressive. Side note: In my experience, the arc cards are honestly insane as editing and recording cards for under 200. I've recommended lots of people to buy an arc a380 purely for recording in av1 with icq