Intel Killed their OWN Product Lineup - Core i9 vs Xeon

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[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

*AMD did really well.* They might have saved the gaming community from being stuck for a decade in the Intel sandbox game. Thx. dear AMD engineers !

[@iset9634]

epSos.de I already invested in an amd system 2 weeks ago to support them (R5 2600X and 1070)

[@thanhdohuu9473]

@@iset9634 I got 2 PCs that rock a 1600 and a 2700x. Now we just have to wait for AMD to have good GPUs to compete against Nvidia's.

[@Fine_i_set_the_handle]

@@thanhdohuu9473 gonna be waiting a long time lol

[@lawrencenoyman350]

@@thanhdohuu9473 , AMD needs to start making cards and drivers that actually work.

[@eddtru]

@@Fine_i_set_the_handle I would love to say 7nm cards are gonna turn it around for amd but given their track record wouldn't be surprised if they are still weaker than rtx.

[@aissaouimahmoud3096]

intel fanboys even if you hate AMD ...... dont forget that AMD helps you to get more cores and best performance out of your cpu

[@thatgamertho227]

Amd fanboys even if you hate intel ..... dont forgert that intel helps you get better single thread performance out of your cpu

[@MyCompAndGadgetHacks]

Lmao AMD brought 64-bit to x86 and now made 8 cores mainstream.

[@willa8720]

@Hoang Quan man if you don't care about single thread performance, use amd fx series then

[@tek2313]

@ThatGamerTho are you really happy with the single core performance of your CPU? it's 5% extra so enjoy it with less cores and low perfomance CPU.

[@darknes4150]

@@tek2313 and a much higher cost

[@Trainy2]

The only thing Intel will listen to is lack of sales.

[@AgentSmith911]

And fanboys will continue buying overpriced Intel products

[@PiskenDragen]

@hdshatterify well they were in a mighty haste after Ryzen's hit. And given they didn't get massive improvement of architecture for more than 5-7 years they just weren't ready for this.

[@Broyale26]

+sprdvx, I hope you wake up to $1,000,000,000.00 in your bank account.

[@DuvJones]

Well, there are Several things that will make Intel cry next year but honestly, AMD will likely be forced to take the consumer base since Intel has pretty much abandoned improving it. Between AMD pushing the envelope on what consumers should expect on consumer products and the fact that in a few years, the server market might manage to lock Intel out completely (ARM is HUGE in the server market and last week got a BIG win, Amazon will deploy their own arm chips instead of buying Intel's), there isn't much that Intel can bank on. AMD Zen arch and Ryzen/EPYC line continues to expand, while Intel's hold on the computing market continues to erode from all fronts. Still from the looks of it AMD might get the pyrrhic victory from this, since I have NO idea how AMD cracks into the server market without an ARM line. Simply put x86 is a crux in that market (mostly because of the massive amount of bugs and exploits on the platform that give the cloud [and sys admins] headaches) and AMD choice to focus on x86 is rather hazy when the market it shifting against it (And RISC-V is definitely on the horizon, with neither big player in that pot)...

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

@hdshatterify - Surprisingly, "mainstream" business desktop/laptop suppliers (Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc) are slow to bring out AMD based products. It could be because "big business" purchasing agents keep checking the "Intel" box on their order forms, when placing those multiple thousand unit orders.

[@lasarith2]

2008 Intel we have a 4Ghz 80 core Cpu in the lab which you’ll see in a few years time .... 11 years later 4-8 cores .

[@RedstoneNguyen]

Pentium 4 4Ghz (2005) canceled due to overheat.

[@mobddd]

I am still rocking i7 4790K, my next build will be with AMD with zen 2 next year. honestly im tired of intel and nvidia pricing.

[@bamholian4567]

How are you doing as far a pcie lane limitations?

[@hr.m885]

AMD has almost double pcie lane

[@dankbeast9013]

I stopped supporting Intel and Nvidia after catching on to their monopolistic ways. Absolutely disgusting. Plus being a computer enthusiast but not having a lot of money. Amd is so much friendlier

[@dankbeast9013]

@PeePee2000 monopolistic ways bro

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@bamholian4567 lol PCI and SLI limitation isn't a thing when it comes to AMD, Ryzen still holds up.. even if the ddr4/5 RAM and motherboards are a little more pricier than than the older intel alternatives.

[@TrinhStudios]

My almost 5 year old i7 4770k is still going strong. Will update in 5 years

[@datAero]

Same

[@bazonga9085]

TrinhStudios Ahaha it’s going to explode

[@awesomusmaximus3766]

Same

[@fffrrraannkk]

I hear you.. I've had a i5 4670k for about 5 years and it's still holding up.

[@jamesgibson4275]

Really wish it had VM direct hardware passthrough support, but meh... The 4770k is supreme!

[@gmrs1985]

Boots advertised by a guy in sandals... OK Marketing done right

[@raymond8875]

Well, those boots have more in common with sandals than boots.

[@gmrs1985]

Now that's some advertisement!

[@M4TTYN]

king of mandles w/ a boots ad yup 10/10 marketing

[@ArmyGreensTanBoots]

They're good boots... For the price. Kinds surprised to see this ad from them though. 😂

[@LuisMan123]

I would never wear boots xD

[@InDreamsYourMine]

"What happened exactly" AMD's Ryzen is what happened.

[@muffemod]

Ryzen bought AMD back from the dead when BULLDOZER launched and the company was out of the competition.

[@123benley]

Have a look at Adored TV new video , 😀😀 looking great for new 3700x

[@fironfiron8843]

For the AMD vs Intel..I will compare them non-tech wise. AMD has a CEO approval of 93%. Intel has a CEO approval of 78% (Glassdoor) If the higher up makes a fucked up decision, then you are doomed. Having bad management also is a killer, bigger killer than being behind few generation in terms of tech. AMD's new CEO has a high emphasis on communication, and that might be the reason the company got back on its feet, from making losses to making profits. AMD if it changes its corporate culture which it is doing , will eventually surpass Intel. It is also not just about hiring talented folks with 999999 IQ, it is about keeping those folks in the company satisfied and preventing turnover.

[@muffemod]

@@fironfiron8843 That's why the AMD CEO got fuckin sacked with BULLDOZER release

[@fironfiron8843]

@@muffemod She was responsible for critical decisions that helped the company from losing money to making money. If not for her, then AMD would have been dead. There is obvious bad side to her, I admit that.

[@bananaFPS]

I guess Intels “killing it” right now

Stop it, get some help.

[@BugLocc]

Good one

[@stevethea5250]

Kindly help yourself.

[@proton9885]

Yes! But our pockets.

[@kakao6125]

Sell your house to intel for new i9 9900k!

[@MaggieLeeow]

Intel: ok linus Makes cpu 3x more expensive

[@EmbyTheEnby]

😭

[@andy56duky]

AMD: oh Makes CPU more effective and more bang for a buck.

[@M4TTYN]

same logic apple does cause they hate their consumers

[@FlavourlessLife]

"Just keep increasing the price... it will make people think AMD is for poor people."

[@deadbr0ke117]

I was curled home three

[@kumbaj1612]

watching this in end 2019...man...amd has gone far

[@erejnion]

The prediction came 100% true: now Intel's HEDT platform has no right to exist. Only the 9900K and the Xeons are even considered by people.

[@lane-_-mass5006]

True very true

[@ravioli-ravioli]

​@@erejnion yet, you still can buy some 8 cores 16 threads Xeons on aliexpress which costs like 5-10x lower than ryzen, but had the same performance in gaming and working tasks. Soooo idk, who's win in that situation, 50 dollars xeon = 999 dollars ryzen\intel xd

[@thomassmith4999]

Watching this 3/4 the way through the glorious year of 2020.. Still using 7 Xeons in total in this house.. Nothing else

[@roblox-vo2dk]

@@thomassmith4999 xeons are awesome

[@perkele1989]

PLEASE include "compilling code" in your benchmarks. It's a task that benefits from multithreading in a way that few others do, and where more cores always equals better results. Compiling Unreal Engine 4 is a very good benchmark for this.

[@gethermedel3620]

UP!!!

[@Henrik0x7F]

Compile QT or the Linux kernel instead. Unreal Engine isn't used that much in comparison

[@artificialhype7515]

@Henrik0x7F no, compiling Unreal Engine 4 would be a better test.

[@theIpatix]

You might wanna check out level1techs for these kind of things. Although I don't think they do Unreal Engine, but they do other compilation tasks.

[@TheRadiantWhovian]

I am actually building a good RYZEN computer just for that reason to reach up to unreal engine graphics. It's not the matter of being a fanboy it's called criticism everyone has different criticism such as you criticizing his video. I honestly prefer RYZEN over Intel can't you just shut the fuck up and respect what other people like or prefer? Asshole.

[@kieranphilpott686]

I hope AMD can cause a similar amount of disruption in the GPU market. Would be great for consumers

[@Solomolo25839]

Kieran Philpott seriously. They’re in a good spot where if they release something that competes with the 1080 ti / 2080 at a price of 499-599 that’d be great

[@joem3082]

My sides

[@johnconnor2402]

AMD literally has a $100,000 R&D budget for every $1,000,000 Nvidia has. AND they're also fighting Intel on the CPU front. It's impossible for them to compete with Nvidia at the high end at this point. Even when they had Nvidia beat in the mid 2000s, people still bought Nvidia. AMD is constantly playing from behind.

[@howtogitgud]

@@johnconnor2402 AMD is waiting patiently for opportunity.

[@cloudboysmusic5223]

@@johnconnor2402 New AMD GPU architecture next year, so we'll see.

[@thelastcube.]

I'm waiting for the day RAM prices go down again so I can feed it to my chrome/firefox

[@RpiesSPIES]

Same. Only thing that held me back from upgrading my CPU. Although, maybe it's good, because I'll get to see where the next generation of CPU's head.

[@HappyDragneels_page]

when i built my pc they told me 16gb RAM was overkill....little did they know i use chrome

[@yeezywesty3651]

lolll

[@yeezywesty3651]

i got 16gb a year ago boy... did I hurt. I couldnt even get the ram on AMD qvl list. i had to get some overpriced unsupported BS... granted it has been ok ram. not many problems.

[@HappyDragneels_page]

@@yeezywesty3651 bro fucking tell me about it, i paid over 200 bucks for my 16gb trident Z, shit was scarcer than water in africa

[@Giggidygiggidy12]

The points made in this video are the main reason I support AMD over Intel. Without AMD we'd all be getting bent over by Intel and their over priced CPUs. Ryzen will continue to be my go to for all custom builds, glad to see AMD take the lead

[@jakeedwards4454]

They haven't taken the lead at all, not will their new gen chips

[@Rudy97]

AMD is no longer behind in gamin, the only thing intel can do is lower prices and try to work on 10nm

[@fravier10001]

@@Rudy97 agreed, in the worst case scenario you lost like 5% on fps but in everything else they destroys Intel for less money.

[@graphincer3164]

I use intel but if I had the chance to change I’d go to ryzen. I support them more and their CPU’s are powerful.

[@muddy111]

Jake Edwards that’s what you think

[@benitollan]

Linus DROPS bombs on INTEL's logics

[@barnosho1611]

@FacePwn64 you really deserve a like

[@daevster6663]

Lol my friend got mad because he got a gaming PC for Christmas but it didn't have the specs he wanted. The PC he wanted was a pre built that had an i5 8400 8gb of ram and a GTX 1060 3gb. But the one his parents bought has an r5 2600 16gb of ram and an Rx 580 8gb. This kid was devastated. I tried to reason with him and tell him that the specs are similar and in a lot of ways better ie more ram, vram, and threads but he wouldn't have it. It just goes to show how well Intel has drilled it in people's minds that Intel and Nvidia are the way to go for gaming. But come Christmas day when he downloads and plays a bunch of games hopefully he will forget all about it.

[@pritishgulati8605]

Man RX580 8G > 1060 3G . Also all these KZbinrs fill the internet with how Intel is better for gaming. Now i recently saw a video comparing Ryzen Vs Intel on a 1070 there was no difference and anything over a 1070 i know Intel will win easily. But the RX 580 < 1070. Plus the Ryzen Platform is better for streaming using OBS, more threads.

[@TrueZutyro]

@@pritishgulati8605 Of course 1070 is more powerful than RX 580, but it also costs about twice as much.

[@pritishgulati8605]

@@TrueZutyroI did'nt want to point out the GPU. I wanted to point out that the Ryzen Platform is perfect for Cards with GPU performance less or equal to 1070. Above a 1070 is where Intel starts to win.

[@pritishgulati8605]

@@TrueZutyro Also The RX 580>GTX 1060

[@TrueZutyro]

​@@pritishgulati8605 I get you. I own RX 580 and Ryzen 7 1700X

[@_twmmst9848]

Threadripper 2950X works extremely well for compiling code of big projects.

[@Vienna3080]

AMD did so well intel committed suicide

[@presplit]

If intel didnt had succes , amd would be same as intel

[@lemoncool6724]

Intel use Self-Distruct!

[@MackV99]

2019 is AMD's year... especially if Intel continues their business practices. the Ryze of Team Red shall be once more!

[@nick0164]

Amd is shit tho, and Intel has been running the game for years so I doubt it

[@pikkons]

AMD has the 64 core 128 thread epix processor that comes out next year

[@ThecRL0]

i heard that amd has been "running" the game before intel came up with their i series processors

[@Balunliinfi]

Nope

[@lee1210mk2]

Yung MemeLord If it wasn't for Amd, nearly everyone would still be paying 300+ for quad core intel cpus 🤣

[@DSP1337]

Thanks for mentioning Adobe. Would you mind making a rant video about their poor multicore optimization? I really annoys me that Adobe is not willing to optimize anything other than Intel + NV combos. Even a shitty 6 core CPU with a shitty midrange GPU performs about as good as a 16 core AMD CPU with a big Vega chip. That cannot and shouldnt be the future for content creators who are deeply invested into the Adobe workflow...

[@Tschonni95]

Use DaVinci Resolve ;)

[@Lionheart1188]

"Adobe inside, the way it's meant to be rendered" Should be their new slogan.

[@SOSOGUDRANA]

Use vegas m8

[@FireStarJutsu]

Wow xD

[@RazgrizWing]

Yeah and it really sucks because Vegas is becoming to limiting for my increasing workload.

[@AnimalFacts]

Yay for Capitalism.

[@toxiccan175]

Give this person a cookie. Not some communist eight year old.

[@lorenzoiannuzzi3937]

@@mason2874 yeah neither was the French revolution huh?

[@Z_Pavel]

da

[@andy56duky]

@@lorenzoiannuzzi3937 don't forget the German facism and that mustashe freak.

[@RLgamer13]

People are slowly learning, capitalism is fucked

[@RayMak]

I'm starting to lean towards AMD....

[@alexmarinescu2873]

dont go to the DARK side.....:))))

[@FLASH24x]

@@alexmarinescu2873 Agree

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

why is your name highlighted you didn't upload the damn video

[@beat6039]

@@alexmarinescu2873 heh

[@manofrice1058]

@@alexmarinescu2873 now its the light side :)

[@handle_m1]

Intel: The Empire AMD: Rebel alliance

[@Albus_Rex]

Is that supposed to make me like AMD? Galatic Empire is great and rebel scum are nothing more than terrorists.

[@badger657]

Is that a lotgh reference?

[@thelemon2764]

the cores awaken

[@dimitriosparthenis987]

@@Albus_Rex lol well said

[@thefishstick]

LOL! I love it

[@KangoV]

My colleagues and I are compiling, compiling compiling all day. Every time you save a file , your code saves and tests run in the background (thanks Gradle). Those tests are massively parallel and will use as may threads you can throw at it. No GPU offloading here. Threadripper is a software developers dream! Integration testing as hugely asynchronous (our code anyway), so will load up cores nicely. Idle threads on Amazon AWS will cost you money.

[@garrettk7166]

Hmm... you've given me something to think about for my future build. Everything is pointing me towards Threadripper. Seems like the long-term moneymaking cpu, unless you're doing major gaming.

[@FathinLuqmanTantowi]

agreed, till there's videomaking software that do the same, linus will say "no real world load will need more core"

[@gallantsoul8586]

I was looking for this comment. These tech reviewers should take into consideration there are other kinds of real workloads besides just gaming & media manipulation.

[@gz6616]

I mostly do data analysis using python, so it implies that more cores won't make a difference, right?

[@alswo9628]

Wouldn’t Threadripper a bit of an overkill though? I’m thinking of just settle with 8C16T (2700x)

[@Smitty833]

At least they’re screwing themselves and not just their customers anymore

[@PyromancerRift]

Unless you are a random buying a workstation from dell.

[@NekkeDeez]

Wow, 2 times "their" and one of them is correct. How's that possible?

[@random_potato7267]

they're** You know I had to do it to em

[@matthewtremain683]

@@NekkeDeez wrong. The OP did it right.

[@Jon717]

Matthew Tremain OP edited their comment.

[@oORoOFLOo]

AMD: From Zero to Hero.

[@coreysias3072]

amd is for the poor people not willing to pay for the best

[@kalklod5027]

@@coreysias3072 intel is for stupid people cause they pay more at same spec or maybe less... rich people also using amd bruh..

[@ypsilondaone]

Nuh. From hero to zero to hero. Kid.

[@Knee-Lew]

@@coreysias3072 that's the insult for us, poor people, at best. In fact, we used AMD products not for "poor" option, but it's for BETTER option with BETTER bang for buck. Who bringed 1GHz first? Who bringed 64-bit first? Who bringed 8 core (now 12 and 16!) CPU to the mainstream? You should thank AMD for pushing your Intel company to bring better products, and not ripping off your money. Stupid fanboy. We "poor people" only choose the best bang for buck, if there's Intel that can provide better bang for buck, we choose that, and vice versa.

[@allipse8224]

@@coreysias3072 Intel fanboy spotted

[@dreadfulbadger]

I just built my first system. Glad i went with AMD.

[@mattd3978]

Me too, first from scratch build a few months ago.

[@rawful502]

In case you are wondering, I just did the math between a i7-9700k and a Ryzen Threadripper 1920X. If each cpu was used for about 3-4 hours a day at 25% usage you would pay about $50 more a year in electricity for the 1920x (national average electricity pricing). Didn't think this would actually be a factor in buying CPU's but it is lol. Intel will actually save me money :/

[@geraint1081]

@@rawful502 people don't use computers at 25% usage too often

[@Maskinmester-DK]

Why? Because it's the slower Choice?

[@xxryanxx2543]

Arctic Wolf Your just trying to find any reason to say intel is better 😂😂

[@ITGCofficial]

There are no pci express lanes .I mean the 9900k is a good chip (even though it is hot) but i need those sweet sweet pci express lanes :(

[@nexxusty]

Then you aren't a gamer, because we don't.

[@ITGCofficial]

@@nexxusty well when u have an nvme a capture card u will beg to disagree

[@deus_nsf]

@@ITGCofficial why not use amd ? Ryzen has 20 pci express lanes on consumer cpus, and if you really lack some, put your gpu to pcie x8 mode, unless you have a 2080ti you wont see any difference.

[@ITGCofficial]

@@deus_nsf that's the point I have a 2080ti

[@deus_nsf]

@@ITGCofficial rip then !

[@zbeast]

Thank you, thank you. best video ever. you have finally explained intel's processors and boards. I finally know what to buy and why to buy it. Good to see a video that's not about overclocking and case mods or glowing video cards and ram.

[@ZazzilasArden]

Just don't buy Intel. Problem solved.

[@user-hh5pj5jv8p]

Gaming and overclocking, and a very small amount of workload apps: Intel. Everything else: AMD

[@atkin207]

To be honest if you are just gaming you don't have to get the latest cpu either. I have no problems with the latest games using an i5 3570k which is 6½ years old.

[@TollNSoul]

@@atkin207 Depends on what you're running. Your setup might do fine for 1080p but 4k and 1440p is a different deal

[@bastscho]

@@atkin207 yeeehaw! My rig is also rocking an old i5 3570k!!! It's overclocked to up to 4.0 GHz and runs awesome. I mean i still can't use DDR4 nor do i have any huge multithreaded performance but for gaming it still rocks!

[@wololo10]

In other reviews: I9 9900k is ridicously expensive! Linus: I9 9900k is awesomely cheap!

[@xXSilentAgent47Xx]

AMD - Thanos Intel - Spider-Man: I don't feel so good.

[@enby-girl5020]

Fuck, I forgot about this. I'm sad now :(

[@williamli0722]

xXSilentAgent47Xx we are all sad now.

[@Renopus]

Rip Stan Lee

[@hypermangi8265]

Lol. This so SAADDD... Alexa, delete yourself.

[@gabrielgranadosg]

@xXSilentAgent47Xx xD

[@doctorgaming8791]

Now it's time for AMD to make it's own version of the 9900K, just faster and cheaper and better. *EDIT*: Wow, thank you all for the likes! This is my first comment ever to get over 150 likes.... Maybe we could get to 300? :)

[@lxrowe]

And with Blackjack.

[@ObsidiaBeast]

they can't. They would've otherwise. Intel still reigns over the CPU market with better performance at literally everything. It will still take quite some time until AMD boosts up their single core speed to match Intels usability. And even if they do; AMD chips and cards are still the definition of power hungry room heaters. Intel is currently still winning in every single aspect besides price... Which.. is okay, since they are that much better

[@Piupiumacher]

@@ObsidiaBeast actually Ryzern consumes significantly less than 8core i7 processors. And price always matters, since no Consumer needs real high end products anymore.

[@zClaziK]

Amd is for cheap ass pussies

[@gfjfjufidi2880]

Ben Plaksienko I bet you have an i3 or i5. You don’t deserve to talk unless you have an i9 9900k

[@mo2mo1mo]

I bet Intel management watched this video and went like hmm are we really doing that?

[@TitorEPK]

I bet they didn't.

[@blankidelics]

Nah I don't think so 🤔

[@Tech-WonDo]

I'm sure they watch Linus, He represents a lot of influence on CPU buyers world wide

[@Pwnstared]

I bet they don't even know who Linus is.

[@twilightravens9798]

I bet Intel really doesn't care, they are just doing what they know will make them money. People will still buy their product if they don't change it, so why put all these expenses into changing all of this. Its how all mega corporations work sadly. Not hating on Intel because if AMD and Intel's places were switched I bet they'd do the exact same thing.

[@sushx21]

Update in 2019 *Ryzen 3rd Gen happened*

[@weepee249]

Zen 3 in the future.

[@allxtend4005]

@@weepee249 update Ryzen 3000 series bang Intel i9 in gaming and WorkStation plus it cost not that much and lower Watt usage plus Intel i9 10.000 series got beaten hard by Ryzen 3000 series :) Ahahahaha i love AMD that for they are like the Hero who stop the Greedy Blue bastards milk people for years

[@-.2..]

Guys, come on! CES 2020 is happening in one week and we're already gonna see Ryzen 4000

[@other2494]

And then Threadripper 3990WX happened

[@braydenrevell]

Look at ur likes duuuude 69 man

[@Ali107]

*I can't believe you've done this!*

[@amanc9835]

Ali107 quick question would a 6gb of vram 1060 pair well with an i7 2600

[@doritos1081]

@@amanc9835 Yes, maybe you´ll get a little bottleneck in some games , but it´s a good combo (remember that the rx 580 is cheaper)

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

😂

[@samuelconsuegra1206]

*o o f*

[@amanc9835]

Doritos MLG I appreciate it

[@MarvRetro]

i'm still happy with my i7 6800K but the next upgrade will be AMD for sure.

[@umadbro4493]

have a 3770k and just bought really cheap a 1700 xD

[@iset9634]

Maybe R5 2600 or 2600x

[@pronewbofficial]

Same, but that screenshot where the r7 beat it by a minute in rendering was kind of painful. I'm still looking to snag a used 6950x to replace it.

[@TheLibero]

The same here with i5-6500 .. and sure the next will be AMD !

[@sttate]

@@umadbro4493 Dear god, why? You know if you overclock a 3770K it should actually get *higher* framerates in gaming than a 1700? I understand if you're doing streaming or some multi-core workloads, but in gaming it's actually a downgrade unless your CPU is dying.

[@XyonVlogs]

A fake Linus Tech Tips friended me and say I won the give away I'm heartbroken

[@nowonmetube]

Same happened to me with a fake Nintendo account :(

[@nowonmetube]

@@XyonVlogs it should be possible to AT LEAST report them 😑

[@nghkazuha6804]

@@nowonmetube but nowdays youtube bots are stupid so these type of alts and thotbots are going around in the comments.

[@shivamgagad5674]

You do know you can report that to KZbin right? 😳

[@nowonmetube]

@@nghkazuha6804 I've not seen a comment want the fake Nintendo account 😑 And it's still too likely for non in-depth users to fall for that!

[@RayMak]

Very solid advice for Intel

[@saharshshukla4367]

Sadly they aren't gonna take it.

[@nuck477]

2021 here, they removed 2 cores to improve single thread performance

[@1983Corolla]

So Intel got to comfortable and was sitting around making 400 thousand different CPU variations with slight power boosts over the years n AMD just make a couple affordable ones n blew them out of the water?

[@catlover1986]

"Blew them out of the water". No. Became competitive? Yes. This is a healthy arms race. Intel has much deeper pockets and more R&D in the pipeline. AMD has unleashed their opening surprise attacks. We're still waiting for the empire to strike back. Intel will likely change their strategy over the next year, which should prove interesting. Consumers win either way. Let's be clear, AMD is as $25 Billion company. Intel is closer to a $250 billion company (over 10x value). Intel isn't going down that easily.

[@Doing_It_Wrong]

@@catlover1986 Intel doesn't have any choice but to go down that easily or change the way they do business. Most of their major business practices in the past have been proven unlawful. That's the source of Intel's success. So the reason AMD is doing so well is because it's been rightfully winning their lawsuits.

[@kingdom1492]

@@Doing_It_Wrong Lets not mistake AMD outselling Intel in the desktop consumer sector for 1 year as the death of Intel. Intel still makes the faster CPU, and still hold both the consumer & commercial market shares. Most importantly Intel still utterly dominates the laptop market which is by far the largest consumer CPU market. They also hold a 98% market share in data/sever sectors that make up most of their revenue.

[@Doing_It_Wrong]

@@kingdom1492 Absolutely correct. The only reason AMD is able to compete right now is because of the lawsuits they've won. Intel isn't dead or dying by any means.

[@dinkthesink3890]

Intel will be the next Nokia.confirmed.

[@bryantquin-ajanihendrix543]

There is a fake account going around offering a fake giveaway. Be aware

[@aviozstudio4903]

Those people are so Stupid to make fake account to do that

[@bryantquin-ajanihendrix543]

@@aviozstudio4903 fr. I just blocked them

[@Ragssssss]

Which account ? How you know it's fake ?

[@bryantquin-ajanihendrix543]

@@Ragssssss Its name is Linus Tech Tips. And if they contact you, it's obvious buddy. And its not the real Linus.

[@hyakinthos_0902]

@@bryantquin-ajanihendrix543 its name is john cena tutdutuuuu

[@Toecuttr]

So as I understand: Intel was holding back cores from consumer CPUs, offering them in very expensive HEDT processors. AMD comes out and offers high core count for consumers at an affordable price and forces Intel to up the core count on the consumer CPUs. Now HEDT is pointless because the only ace it had (lots of cores) is available for cheaper consumer CPUs. In addition to that, consumer CPUs have an advantage now by having a GPU in them, which HEDT does not. Is this correct?

[@nopenoperson9118]

Also note that users who require ECC now have a much cheaper option than Xeon Ws with Ryzen from R3 at the bottom all the way through to Epyc.

[@seankurth4371]

Wait what? Other than the reliability of ECC (most stable PC I've ever used by far) and the performance of a low-end i7 at a much lower price, the main reason I got a Xeon E3 was because it had a noticeably better integrated GPU than the consumer lineup. Most enterprise applications that aren't video editing don't need a discrete GPU, but anything doing any rendering at all will need *a* GPU, and accounting I'd imagine would prefer not to allow a CPU that doesn't come with one to be installed. Nobody has a real Xeon alternative though, so it's not like they killed the server market if they did get rid of the integrated graphics. Heck, they could charge $3k for a 2011 Celeron with no GPU that they label a Xeon because it supports ECC, and what else would there be to buy? AMD Opteron is a joke, nobody wants full APUs on a mostly-headless server.

[@catlover1986]

+Sean Kurth, I agree with most of what you wrote, but AMDs EPYC is their answer, Opteron is dead.

[@MRGianba1310]

Get an x299 system they said, it will be future proofed they said

[@FZERO]

I don't know what the problem is for the future. I am running an Intel core i7 7820x overclocked to 5GHZ on the x299 platform. I am not lacking any power in any ways. Gaming, rendering, heavy workload due to archive compression, nothing is a problem right now and shouldn't be in the next years..

[@Wahinies]

I was so close to jumping into x299 and am glad I didn't. Cant wait for Z2 in Q2 :)

[@zacktrever1878]

I jumped on a x79 platforn Best decision ever

[@kadennedak]

vctjkhme how

[@Harryw007]

I’m still on X79 too with my xeon e5 2680 v2 overclocked to 4ghz on one core or an all core turbo of 3.5ghz (400mhz oc). I pair it with a 1070 and 32gb ram and it handles any game I throw at it very well while running multiple VMs in the background.

[@Warden64]

Oh Intel, *WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!*

[@juli12345istRecorsi]

Warden ah fuck i cant believe you’ve done this.

[@rkan2]

Oh AMD, you beauty!*

[@Name-ps9fx]

Left hand didn’t know what the right hand was doing...

[@Parasite...]

@P. Taylor why do you need more slots if you can download more ram?

[@saiga8598]

@@Parasite... why do you download ram when you can download a whole PC?

[@EposVox]

I usually fill all of the PCIe slots in my systems w/ expansion cards... just not co-processing cards like the Red Rocket, heh.

[@meruldhiman1565]

Hi i am a huge fan of urs

[@FoodRecipes108]

Where to buy or order pc parts in canada i am recently shifted to canada from australia And as a student i need to save some money...

[@SharpSh00ter43]

@@FoodRecipes108 canada computers is a good one, theres also Newegg.ca and memoryexpress

[@jesus2621]

i need more cores to watch youtube and use office

[@WeMustSecureABetterTomorrow]

Jesus Alfonso I need even more cores to play minesweeper and solitaire

[@tejaspadhye]

@@WeMustSecureABetterTomorrow lame cuz they both run on a single cores at the same time

[@86joeperri]

I feel you I need more cores for all the pornh-- all these chrome tabs I have open.

[@Malus1531]

Basically every AMD fan. Going on about cores and Threadripper even though almost none of them will actually use that many cores. Heck even 8 cores is kinda overkill for your average user/gamer. People acting like you need 8+ cores to "multitask" (i.e. run Discord & Chrome in the background); you don't.

[@lopsangdlama]

LOL

[@Zlurz]

Hmmm Intel reminds me of a GPU manufactured that has screwed consumers aswell. I wonder... will AMD come out and completely destroy Nvidia like it did to Intel in the CPU market ? Imagine if AMD did not exist? Intel and nvidia would absolutely destroy consumers with their greed

[@catlover1986]

Intel invented processors. They have saved AMD from bankruptcy many times to prevent themselves from becoming a monopoly and stagnating the industry. Intel is actually a large owner of AMD. If you think Intel has screwed over consumers, you should recall that board games are the only games you would be playing without Intel, who invented CPUs.

[@MrMe944]

you are stupid as shit @@catlover1986

[@Falllll]

@@catlover1986 That's not an excuse for not innovating.

[@catlover1986]

+Fa11, they have innovated extensively. Their Core processors dominated for years, because they were the best in the world for a decade. Only now do they have competition, and they are still quite competitive. Right now, Intel is making leaps and bounds with innovation, not the least of which was their Optane solutions. Additionally, they have been working on a 7 NM architecture for some time but running into issues. Either way, this tech is expensive and time consuming to develop, but it cannot be argued that processors haven't improved massively in the last few years. Rather, Intel has been working on efficiency and optimization, and new features, rather than raw performance increases (as it isn't really a huge concern to make bigger single processor systems today). After all, we have multi-processor systems for servers and advanced computing, and we don't need really powerful processors for gaming because that's primarily GPU driven. The reality is that my old I7-920 could handle most Triple AAA games today quite well with the right GPU, and my modern several year old Xeon (basically an I7-4770) can handle all modern games on high settings with 8 GB of DDR5 graphics.

[@LigeValkyrja]

@@catlover1986 Intel owns AMD? Provide at least one credible source. Something like that happening would be picked up on immediately by experts in their respective industries.

[@Valhalla_Awaits94]

When your monopoly goes to shit and you have to actually work for the first time in 15 years...

[@catlover1986]

Intel has saved AMD from bankruptcy several times, in order to not be a monopoly. Intel is not a monopoly by any standard, except that everyone but Intel sucked at making processors until last year. Being mad at Intel for not having competition (AMD), would be like being mad at Ford because KIA sucked... Remember the alternative to Ford, if they had never existed, was not KIA, it was a horse, because Ford invented cars. Intel invented processors, your alternative to Intel if they had never existed was not AMD, it was a pencil, typewriter, and slide rule.

[@Valhalla_Awaits94]

You're telling an economist a monopoly isn't bad, keep trying ^^

[@catlover1986]

@@Valhalla_Awaits94 I am an economist myself. The fact is that Intel is not a monopoly. They have competition (AMD) in large processors, and Qualcomm and others in small processors. Monopolies are only bad when they harm consumers. Not a given. That's why the law only bans anti-competitive monopolies, not all monopolies. Your opponent sucking, is not anti-competitive. Again, Intel has paid money to keep AMD in business, just to avoid becoming a monopoly. You can't be mad at a company for being successful. From 2007 to early 2017, AMD produced terrible stuff. Then they made better stuff and became competitive. That means Intel did not have an anti-competitive system in place, they won by merit. Intel invented the industry. They are better at it than everyone else. Nothing wrong with that.

[@Valhalla_Awaits94]

@@catlover1986 Intel not a monopoly? Not all monopolies are bad? Not all are anti-competitive? Intel invented the idustry? I usually don't get angry over comments on the internet but what kind of inbred idiot fuck are you? I am an economist myself? Bullshit you are. You still havn't graduated highschool, the only economy knowledge you get is what your dad spouts at family diners. Fucking hell.

[@Synthwave89]

@@catlover1986 Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Monopolies and fake oligopolies have proven they cannot be trusted not to be anti consumer and anti competitive which is why the former are outlawed by anti-trust laws. That the anti trust laws are shitty or not enforced because of lobbyists and corrupt politicians is another topic, but all monopolies (with exception of natural monopolies/utilities) are illegal. You think intel would not buy AMD in a second if monopolies were legal? lmfao

[@evancrazyerror]

Right now intel is being trashed by amd. On a budget, there is no reason to go for intel. I guess that’s what 3 generations of non upgrades will do to a company

[@syferpolski4344]

Yeah. Just had a fun black friday educating family that Ryzen 5 is basically Core i5 but cheaper

[@know1tv]

However, the clock speeds that Intel offers is superior for gaming. That being said, if you want a cheaper price per core, AMD is the way to go.

[@eisas1306]

Keep in mind that it's Intel who invented Haswell Cpus. Theoretically if Intel had kept their Haswell line and then did the "Skylake and above" line completely separate, then Intel could still have Cpus competitive with AMD Ryzen. The issue here is Intel's product line-up, things like broadwell and broadwell-e, kabylake-x which is now reached its peak performance, too many coffee-lake cpus for a single generation, and HEDT. But that doesn't mean those offerings are bad, because they all perform generally around they were expected to. Intel Xeon even performs as expected. That's a lot less trash than AMD previously releasing bulldozer architecture and refreshing the same exact thing for YEARS, and not providing a suitable replacement for AMD K12 for even longer than bulldozer's cycle( another reason why Xeon has been so relevant before the release of EPYC and Ryzen). AMD is only good now because they capitalized on Intel's lack of 1. Haswell-style general performance cpus that can still compete with "single thread float-style" cpus and 2. A competent server CPU that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like a Xeon does.

[@bobsagget823]

@@syferpolski4344 nobody cares

[@bobsagget823]

@@eisas1306 get a life

[@thelastcube.]

Credits to Intel for giving single core performance competition but God am I thankful for AMD for not only making 8 cores mainstream but also pumping up the APUs performance in this GPU crisis, they're Godsend

[@Krisztian5HUN]

what " in this GPU crisis"?

[@TuanLe-eb5yp]

Chaitanya Singh really ? U mean cheap gpu flood ? Where have u been for the last half year ?

[@nexxusty]

@@TuanLe-eb5yp yeah, I don't think buddy here realizes that Ethereum is dead

[@OldmanKorsaks]

APUs are the salt of the earth.

[@Str8GasGenetics]

This is a great time for gpus can get used RX 470-580 cards for about $120

[@StuninRub]

Excel spreadsheets, nothing tortures a processor and ram like Excel spreadsheets.

[@Random_Bern]

I particularly like the way Excel hits 100% CPU usage while *not* recalculating a sheet if you don't click the "click here to edit this workbook" button, a few minutes after opening a workbook over a network.

[@megapro125]

use .xlsb files instead of .xlsx and.xlsm or even .xls. As someone who regulary works with 50k+ rows worksheets I can tell you they are significantly faster. Only downside is they are harder to restore when the file is corrupted buit if you keep backups that shouldn't be a problem.

[@StuninRub]

@@megapro125 Binary doesn't help much when it's frequently 300-400mb files with 600k-800k rows. Then you throw in 30 to 50 different functions and you can hear the processor's fans screaming for mercy while prompts about low memory pops up left an right. Should I be using SQL instead? Maybe. Do I have the patience to learn how to use SQL? A resounding NO. The only ever thing to match the demand of my spreadsheets is Lightroom when rendering a gigpixel panorama or focusing stacking 5gb+ of images on PS.

[@megapro125]

@@StuninRub You can set formulas to only update manually or try automating functions with VBA scripts that stop the rendering of the sheet alltogether during the calculation of your functions but with 400 mb files even that probably wont help a lot^^ (Also you probably have it disabled allready but if not: automatic formating based on cell content completely kills performance.)

[@markkayser426]

@@StuninRub .. I used to use macros on spreadsheets like that. 20-30min later I would have a result. Then I took some time to script it in Python. Start and.. done in under 10sec. Although that means I don't need a super computer anymore. Hmmmm.... on second thought, those macros can't be replaced!

[@okrajoe]

Just Intel doing Intel things.

[@jamescarter8311]

Like making craploads of money. AMD would charge high prices too, if they could.

[@obscurecasualvideogamemusi9437]

which is why amd wins

[@dhrumil_108]

As a mechanical design engineer I can definitely say having more cores while working on complex 3D models or performing FEA simulation drastically reduce time.. definitely worth it, Linus you are right it's a great time to build a PC.

[@mviv6339]

What do u design ?

[@dhrumil_108]

@@mviv6339 I had worked in safety equipment development, I am currently working with pressure relief valve, where FEA simulation is needed

[@dhrumil_108]

@Viper unfortunately here in India there is no such thing, computer parts are very expensive, there are some good online hardware shops but prices of hardware are generally 40 $ more expensive than regular prices., For example Ryzen 2600 is priced here around 16500₹ which is around 236$ (USD).

[@mviv6339]

@@dhrumil_108 .oil or gas relief valve ?

[@dhrumil_108]

@@mviv6339 it's pneumatic valves

[@cyb507]

I am still using i7 2600k and it is totally fine. But the next upgrade I will also consider AMD

[@Climberman2379]

That generation was an absolute beast. The i5 2400 still rocks too.

[@TheGunman889]

I overclocked mine to 4.8 and im still happy lol such an awesome architecture

[@dalenfillenwarth]

Same man! Got my running at 4.7 GHz,16 gb of ram, and a 980ti. No reason to upgrade yet!

[@dallas7103]

@@dalenfillenwarth I thought so too. Until we had a new hire at work and I decided to hand over that machine, build a new one, while keeping my 980ti and moving to 8700k on z370. Holy Sh$t. The improvement in rendering times, gaming framerates and frametimes was substantial. Well worth the upgrade.

[@dalenfillenwarth]

@@dallas7103 oh ya I don't doubt that I'd be getting a noticeable boost in performance but I've kinda dropped outta the gaming scene recently so playing most new games at 1080p 60hz doesn't bother me. Just glad that I've got a rig from 2011 that still is mildly relevant 😂

[@skyhigh7221]

i have absolutely no idea what this video is saying i will never call myself tech savy again

[@jotunheim5302]

AMD came out of nowhere and destroyed Intels convoluted product line up. Intel have been on the ropes ever since in the mainstream and HEDT markets.

[@jotunheim5302]

@@x_x5009(H)igh-(E)nd (D)esk(T)op ..but I commend your effort.

[@lyfhg]

@Multi gaming yes I think

[@jotunheim5302]

@@x_x5009 I wouldn't recommend using your acronym face to face with a sales rep :D

[@ZenMuff1n]

Intel made a chip they didn't have to make and priced it so high it's even a little cruel to their fans.

[@MrZombiefoetus]

Those earring are straight out of 1997. Time to update your body's OS, Linus.

[@pizzafrenzyman]

no kidding. my mom was wearing earrings back in the 60s.

[@WestleyBates]

old but ..gold i guess

[@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q]

​@@CitroenGames Body OS 2005.4.6 for me.

[@nboejui]

392 Intel fan boys who payed 2000$ for 8+ cores

[@Goliath1337]

True, but it's Paid*

[@mahirooyama9424]

No it’s paided

[@Inhumane]

No it’s paying

[@DarkCloud360]

My next CPU will definitly be AMD

[@jooplin]

mine too, I love how AMD is making the market interesting again

[@dragnet53]

I am still using my AMD FX6400 six core. It was strong during its time and still going. I am going to upgrade soon to the new Ryzen core though.

[@codyv308]

same, i just bought an r5 2600 to replace my i5 7400. definitely a purchase i dont regret

[@ManunKanava]

You are getiing a DELL with high speed AMtel Pentium R99Extreme prosessor with 100 Terabytes of cache.

[@LannnR]

Same here but gonna still use shit out of my 8700k

[@DANNYonPC]

Intel is drunk I want what they're havin

[@jacqueline6475]

Hey danny

[@niki123489]

hey buddy

[@KushagraJuneja]

Me 2

[@fnige]

Intel, youre drunk, go home

[@St3yn012]

hello person I recognize from the bf3 forums.

[@Alorand]

Somehow I feel guilty for not buying AMD to support the competitive environment... Thank you for existing AMD

[@hmuakachinzah7230]

I'm happy with my Intel build but feel a little guilty for not buying AMD to show my support..! Wish the same competition exist in the GPU market

[@CalculatedRiskAK]

I felt bad for not upgrading my system earlier. I had a Skylake system. I waited quite a while and finally jumped into Ryzen with a 3800X. The performance difference has been kinda crazy for me, to say the least.

[@robiocraft]

Thanks to AMD Intel had to reduce prices for their chips, to stay competitive. so it’s a win - win.

[@MakenaKai]

Imagine if you bought AMD shares at 21$ before it shot up to 45-100/share

[@MalekitGJ]

@riousgeorgieo 18/12/02 AMD share price: $21.32 Intel share price: $49.26 **claps slowly**

[@JSXSProductions]

Imagine buying Domino's at $200. #SponsorMeDominos

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

Imagine if you bought Bitcoin when it first appeared...

[@MikeMessiah]

Imagine buying land in Dubai during the 1960s for $100/sqft

[@ryanaegis3544]

I actually own AMD stock. It hasn't been above about $34 (at least not in five years, I don't know about earlier), and that was the peak. It currently sits at about $20. Still a good buy if you got it cheap, but even better if you sold it at its peak. It has lost all of the gains it made in the last three months. Still, I think it is a good long term buy. Just got to get in at the right price.

[@andrewbautista23]

went to pc shop yesterday and salesman asked what's my cpu. i said i5-3550. he laughed and replied "is that a 1st generation. you need some new 8th gen sir". i then just bought a $150 gpu, and is now rocking 60fps 1080p gaming. who needs a coffee lake? Ivy bridge still rockin!

[@dhkatz_]

1080p lul

[@TrueZutyro]

@@dhkatz_ You do you, man

[@spectre722]

pfft dont kid yourself... my 3570k is starting to choke..

[@jacobgame2757]

But posh having a 3550. I'm still rocking a 3450 overclocked to 4.1Ghz.

[@hrq007]

I'm still rocking the i5 3570 and my wife has the i7 3770. Awesome chips. Not planning on replacing them anytime soon.

[@MarcintheCloud]

Two words: Mechanical sympathy. Mechanical sympathy is the idea that software is written without the need for a ton of coordination - in the CPU world, each core is responsible for it's own work. MOST software is written using SEDA architecture which means that events, and subsequently cores need to communicate with each other which means if the software is to support higher core counts, the software needs to written/rewritten to take advantage of that. Until more software practices mechanical sympathy, high core-count CPUs are really intended for specific enterprise use cases.

[@keptinkaos6384]

here is were soft where companies are looking just a little slow and retarded new update programs we don't need no update programs our customers can put up the same shit we have always given them.

[@HeroUnit]

You summarized the issue pretty well. Software design practices are in a constant state of flux. New paradigms, architecture, and abstraction will catch up eventually, but until then, consumer software will be a bottleneck. But hey, at least programs can all have their own core in the meantime.

[@hoangtu1710]

You can run more single-threaded programs at the same time. Back in the older days, running software utilities to improve your desktop, e.g. Fences and other Stardock software, you can experience a slow down even with a 4 core CPU. Now that 6c/12t and 8c/16t become mainstream, running the software barely affects CPU usage.

[@vector6077]

*Computex 2019 happened* The time is now.

[@fancifuldreamer6360]

Time to upgrade from Core 2 Quad? :D

[@ayudepano9122]

get a 2500k/2600k/3770k or wait for ryzen 3000/zen2

[@johnschmidt2123]

Ikr I mboxed wow on 5 core duo machines for about 4 years up until the end of wod. Still game gog games on the main machine. Got a hades canyon nuc on the way tho

[@twilightravens9798]

I still have a QX9650 in another system and it can still game, I mean not high refresh rate or anything, but it is certainly usable and enjoyable

[@MidProductionz]

@Double-Edge If it's just for gaming then I'm sure those amazing "latest instructions" you don't specify won't matter to much as long as they get a good enough video card to play games smoothly.

[@robertvandeneijk1284]

You never need more than 640kb base memory. :p

[@joaobcrts]

Thank you, AMD!

[@arcooke]

This is what drives me nuts about the anti-AMD crowd. AMD brought a lot of positive, much-needed innovation to the CPU market.. even if you don't prefer their products, they still deserve some recognition for that. Intel has been so stagnant for so long, and if it wasn't for AMD's sweeping return to the market, they probably still would be. This benefits all of us, no matter what "team" you're on.

[@AbuMO72MED]

big Thank you AMD

[@stevethea5250]

N.ESS hopefully if more people back up AMD then innovation will keep moving?

[@BlissOn47]

Next*

[@ErnestJay88]

Bye bye my 3770k now I'm switching to Ryzen 2700x

[@AlexLionson]

You can wait for Ryzen 2, you will not get a huge boost with 2700x in games for example. And zen 2 is not that far away.

[@coolmemesbudd]

Ernest Jay Thats more than 6 years of cpu age and you’ve never upgraded within that time?

[@heyitsmejm4792]

A 3770k overclocked to 4.5ghz won't even bottleneck a 1070 so yea...

[@hoen2009]

@@heyitsmejm4792 clock speed is not everything, newer chips will work more efficient and will give you overall better FPS.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

I came from a 4670k to a 2700X and boy oh boy is it a heck of a performance jump. Obviously in encoding, but games run so much better now, load times really improved, even in old 20 year old games!

[@dominicfastbender4029]

They just got insanely greedy. Even though I can buy whatever I want for my hobby. It insults my intelligence when they literally try to take you for a fool. Nvidia on the same trajectory.

[@kutayarcan911]

Nvidia literally doesn't have a rival in the high end segment. Intel does now.

[@muddy111]

Kutay Arıcan Nvidia needs a high end competitor or else everything will be even more overpriced in the future

[@allxtend4005]

@@kutayarcan911 They have a mid rage kart from navi is that fast as a RTX 2080 in new DX12 games 0.o even when dx12 will be the new standard we saw that a Vega 56 Destroy a 1080 TI in new Dx12 games .... A R9 390 destroy a 2060 0.o here is the real answer for Nvidia and intel fanboys, you just got milked all the years and everyont told you that, you did not listen and what happen ? people with older cards can still paly new games and we saw that in Farcry 5 already a damn HD7970 that was battleing against a GTX 680 have 50 - 60 fps on ultra in 1080p there and how much FPS a Gtx 680 have in Farcry 5 ?

[@kumbandit]

FINALLY someone sane here

[@com1kz875]

This is why you go Amd kids. That's a life lesson for ya.

[@zeke7515]

Linus providing free consulting work for Intel. Will he be thanked?

[@jimpao133]

Of course...... not. They only care about the money. We shall boycott them, and teach them a lesson.

[@cruelplatypus67]

most likely not lmao

[@DeeSnow97]

@@jimpao133 Don't worry, AMD is teaching them the lesson already. Next year their collective asses will be royally kicked by 7nm Zen 2.

[@zeke7515]

@@DeeSnow97 I really hope so. Intel kicking ass just because they're Intel hurts my wallet. :\

[@arrtea]

intel stopped making sense after 7th generation

[@woopygoman]

More like 3rd or 4th. Sandy Bridge was the last (so far) exciting architecture to come out with huge performance improvements and massive overclock ability, all at a great price!

[@iheartninja]

@@woopygoman Yeah, everything after Devil's Canyon has just been tiny little IPC increases. Still running a 4790K in my rig and haven't come close to feeling like I need an upgrade.

[@ppsarrakis]

what you talking about,8600k/8700k are beast cpu's for gaming and their value was great compared to 7th gen,till the shortages of stock came out...

[@ProtoFalcon07]

...I'm still happy with my 1st-gen Nehalem (Westmere) Xeon X5667 (4c/8t), and plan to bump up to the 6c/12t X5690, but yeah, Sandy Bridge was the sweet spot.

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

Kind of

[@TheManolis1984]

Great video and good to see that you included CAD applications to your benchmarks. It is true that almost all CAD applications benefit from clock speeds rather than core counts. However, as a design engineer myself, I have NEVER been in the situation that I will have only Solidworks/Creo/Intentor/Catia/NX openat any given time. I will have one or two of the aforementioned CAD packages open plus Autocad, plus 1 or 2 spreadsheets as a minimum, plus Outlook, plus whatever antivirus the company you work for has installed, a web browser and I will be running a 1st pass FEA or CFD simulation. On more extreme cases I will be having a full on CFD study running while I am working on CAD. That's why you need core counts.

[@winstonsmith478]

What happened? AMD and their Infinity Fabric technology, allowing them to spread a CPU across multiple much smaller and, therefore, MUCH cheaper dies. Until Intel does something similar they will never match AMD's price/performance.

[@TheColemancreek]

WIntston not sure if you have heard of Adored TV, but Jim there has speculated in a recent video that AMD is set to do well into 2020. His idea is that the deal that AMD has with the console makers (semi custom) is going to allow them to piggy back off of their console process node to increase yield and overall amount of silicon (which leads to higher clockspeeds and lower prices for us). Intel has a huge advantage in the sheer amount of fabs they have, which allows them to have overall higher yield of faster chips. Props to Linus for having the stones to call Intel out.

[@InvntdXNEWROMAN]

But some people aren't interested in price to performance. Some of us are willing to spend more for higher performance. Hence why I'm switching out my 6700k for a 9900k.

[@CheffBryan]

@@InvntdXNEWROMAN Thus the competition between the two will continue. As for people that have their money wrapped into a lot of important things (enrollment for health insurance just ended, for example), will be more concerned with the price to performance. Paying a heck of a lot more serves as a kind of "new tech premium" that also keep the field moving forward and PC gaming steadily changing.

[@laurelsporter]

It's just Hypertransport, updated yet again, and Intel has done the same thing, before (Core 2 Quad, Pentium D, and related server chips), plus Intel's interconnect technology would let them do it again with ease, if they needed to. Dies take time to talk, though, and on Windows, that kills scaling of many applications, when they have to go back and forth between caches and RAM on different dies. Windows still hasn't gotten NUMA figured out, while Linux got it mostly taken care of back in the days of early Opterons. That's why Intel's monolithic Xeons and HEDT procs, and sometimes even the mainstream desktop CPUs, can sometimes stomp all over Threadripper. Linux, on the other hand, has been well optimized for NUMA, and doesn't suffer as much (in most cases, it can get the threads and their data on "nearby" CPUs). Not so many workstations run Linux. That Linux is so big in servers, though, makes Epyc's MCM design a non-issue, for most use cases. All that said, past 10-12 cores, Intel's many-core CPUs often have scaling problems anyway, with a single die on a single socket.

[@carlolmstead518]

Wow Linus is such a sell-out. He abandoned the socks and sandals train for boots!!!!!!!

[@dogfruit69]

$200 boots to be clear. And the jackets are $500. And there's no LTT sponsor code for a discount.

[@jette24]

Linus do a video on 144hz monitors clocking down to 60hz when any video or animation on your 60hz secondary monitor is active...please nvidia and microsoft keep blaming it on each other and we need to bring this situation to the light!!!

[@tophan5146]

sell your 60hz and buy another 144hz

[@jette24]

@@tophan5146 lol i aint got it like that and i have 2 60 hz monitors...i mean they could just at least try to fix it instead of blaming it on each other

[@GiorgosKoukoubagia]

windows 10?

[@jette24]

@@GiorgosKoukoubagia Yup...i didnt have the problem when i was on windows 10 and i used a dual link DVI and a reg DVI on my 970....but when i went to my 1070 and used display ports it happened....either way thousands and thousands of people are having the problem its all over the internet

[@Enverex]

It's not 60Hz specifically, it's whatever refresh rate the second monitor is running on. I have a mini-screen attached to my PC for KZbin and this issue is fucking me over as Windows only recognises it as 44Hz, making anything on my main monitor only run at 44Hz too and it both looks and feels horrible.

[@OTechnology]

Linus really predicted this well. Intel's HEDT lineup is pretty much gone now lol.

[@Erik-xu5on]

i watch your videos to fall asleep (not saying that you are boring its just great white noise) keep it up

[@HDDNeptunia]

isit tho Literally do this whenever I stay over my Girlfriend's place. I just put Linus on the TV or my phone on the table 😂 Linus is really relaxing to listen to

[@marcinsobczak2485]

Those boots gonna do you good Linus. Winter's coming.

[@beach-episode]

I can feel it in my scrote.

[@iamthemobey]

Honestly prised my ass.

[@leob_v2]

Thanks, AMD! Can't be happier supporting them with my wallet and upgrading my 1700X (paid $300 on Black Friday a year ago), since it directly works against such shameful Intel strategy - imagine where we could have been if they were actually innovating for the last 10 years...

[@dresnyd]

sh!t man. this black friday I could've got a 1800X for $230. and i still can get one now for like $250. but then i'd be stuck with a 1600X doing nothing. and the funniest part of it was that 2c/4t CPUs from intel which sold for the same price on BF, sold out faster than the 1800X. which is 3 times faster. how could people be so damn stupid?

[@YuriMaiaSFernandes]

@@dresnyd Intel made his name over AMD in the past. Ppl still believe that Intel is superior than AMD

[@YuriMaiaSFernandes]

Intel deserves go to bankruptcy, they evil plan to overprice every single product, hard limit PCI lanes and I/O on the cheaper CPUs (this is for chipset to limit instead), change sockets for every gen and between products. If Intel innovate instead of thinking in only money we would have faster and better CPUs available years before AMD threadripper

[@eurosensazion]

Why would Intel improve and save customers money? It's about the share price and shareholder. They were the sweat hearts and all they did after gaining favour and improving cash flow is dumping into share buy-backs to inflate stock price. That's what they have been doing 10 years like most tech companies. Share buy backs. Make more money that way.

[@catlover1986]

+S.L.C. There are still reasons to prefer Intel. People aren't stupid, we all have different reasons for using different systems. AMD is not consistently better than Intel, and Intel has had a much better reputation for a long time. That makes people slow to switch, for fear AMD doesn't have all their issues worked out. Obviously, AMD is improving their reputation, but Intel already has a great reputation. For 9 years, Intel ate AMDs lunch, and AMD only got back in the game last year.

[@BAdventures]

Very educational and good industry feedback. Will wait and see how the dust settles. Hopefully better for consumers.

[@krakentortoise7531]

Ignore Intel and stick with AMD until Intel gets off it's high horse 😐

[@Web720]

Even then lol.

[@rjfaber1991]

Given that Intel historically has remained high-horsed even while AMD was comprehensively kicking their arse with K8, I wouldn't count on it. If snobbishness is inherent to a company's internal culture, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of.

[@dymorphadon5293]

Lets hope AMD doesnt start doing the same if they kick intels ass enough.

[@ctsd623]

@@dymorphadon5293 at the same time the fundamental goal of a business is to generate revenue-i wouldn't hold it against AMD if they did cos I also bought stock;it's inevitably going to go up a lot the next couple years, win win either way.

[@FOGoticus]

Uhhhhhh nope. Corporations especially won't give a shit about companies and their practices.

[@GTFour]

AMD absolutely destroyed intel’s rip off racket. Good riddance.

[@kaibaCorpHQ]

1:28 AMD, the hero we all needed.

[@jareddiaz9879]

But we don't deserve, because we are still buying Intel.

[@user-hh5pj5jv8p]

Pretty much, without any competition, Intel had no reason to innovate. Now they've at least tried. Their CPUs are still best for gaming.

[@rjfaber1991]

+Jared Diaz - I didn't. I stuck with AMD throughout the dark years... Well, okay, I never bought an FX-series chip, because I'm not stupid, and by the time I replaced it with a Ryzen7 1800X, my old Phenom II X6 1055T was getting somewhat long in the tooth, but never at any point between 2011 and 2017 did I feel the urge to buy an Intel chip at their extortionate prices, nor (as aforementioned) an AMD chip with appalling IPC. If anything, those years made me appreciate K10, because my Phenom II would regularly outperform FX-series chips in games relying on single-threaded performance. Who'd have thought, eh? All the same, I'm happy to be Ryzen-ing now, and I think I might upgrade from my 1800X to a Zen 2-based chip next year.

[@kaibaCorpHQ]

@@jareddiaz9879 Yeah, I mean the last chip I bought and am using currently is a 4820k, though I would be tempted this time around to get AMD lol.

[@f.9344]

I really like this kind of Videos with clearly visible sponsors. And for the very first time I probably get something through it. Nice

[@memepotato145]

Hello person scrolling through the comment section have a nice rest of your day

[@SappersGhost]

Hello person whom left the message in the comment section, you also have a nice day.

[@McShave]

Thanks, I'll try to have a nice day but I'm playing Red Dead 2. Shhh keep this to yourself. It's a really boring game.

[@delta61]

Thanks, you too!

[@martinperez8275]

Thanks bro;you too!

[@memepotato145]

@@SappersGhost thank you

[@fulachs]

Wow Thursdayboots does not produce sandals. How can they sponsor LTT?

[@Raptorman0909]

I have a three year old 4K video editing box I built around the i7-5820K CPU that is mildly OC'd, but although it handles H.264 OK it doesn't do so well with H.265. Neither my CPU nor my GPU (EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hybrid Gaming ) handles H.265 natively or well and I'm wondering where we are now, three years later, for 4K video editing of H.265.

[@tedgegi155]

Highly suggest having your finger ready to hit "pause" to analyze properly the graphics in this video.

[@Filnor_pb]

Wait, Linus wears actual shoes now? What in the world happened that he could abandon the holy sock and sandals combo?😨

[@76TyranT76]

Vancouver Winter!

[@ZenMuff1n]

In case he drops the intel chip on the ground so he could finish it off.

[@youlostabetwithsatanandnow8592]

Could you fit 1000 cores onto a thick, box-like chip? Hurricane cooled of course.

[@joshuaburton8106]

One day we'll get 3D CPUs

[@negeritopizza6103]

Its called gpu

[@AmiBorg87]

Then you have no way of cooling the inside.

[@Un1verses_]

liquid nitrogen hurricane cooled TM

[@ronniesollien7216]

Don't forget the structure of the human brain...

[@tk6028]

I miss those intros that Linus was doing. Also, Come on INTEL! Is that a red LTT hoodie?

[@WarpedFlayme]

This is the kind of analytical writing and content that I love to see out of this channel! Keep up the great work, all!

[@Leetfin]

Every time I watch an LTT video I'm deep learning because it's so education

[@tn15_]

much education, very learn

[@VanitasYoutube]

You can spend a entire day seeing your videos.

[@Erox006]

al

[@BrandonWestfall]

Yo Linus, your URL for Thursday Boots is broken.

[@Arc_Noir]

worked for me. here's the expanded link thursdayboots.com/?

[@stevethea5250]

Nice booties

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

Any one who really wants to take a "deep dive" into what you were discussing should get a copy of "Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach", even if it is NOT the most current edition. A great reference ! Multiple cores came about for a couple of reasons. It was more difficult to "crank up" the clock speed and, even today, it is more and more difficult to improve IPC (instructions per clock). With technology shrinking die sizes (𝑦𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑔𝑜), many designs were becoming "pad limited" (𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 "𝑝𝑎𝑑𝑠" 𝑎𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑚𝑢𝑚 𝑑𝑖𝑒 𝑠𝑖𝑧𝑒, 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑠𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑜𝑛 !). Adding more cores was a "quick and dirty" solution and it only worked it the "working set" could be held primarily in on chip caches. IMHO, the next big "break through" will be low cost implementation of 4 banks of memory. This will make a HUGE improvement in the delays caused by L1/L2 cache misses AND a huge improvement in on-chip APU/GPU ! Watch the rumor mill for the upcoming AMD X570 features. Faster PCIe lanes is always good. More PCIe lanes is less of a benefit (ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑃𝐶𝐼𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝑑𝑜 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 ?). 4 banks of memory will be a huge performance boost !

[@00Klingon]

If you ever wanted to install NVME M.2 and a video capture card, you'd quickly discover a need for more PCIe lanes. This is an area that will only get worse as people want to get multiple NVME storage solutions for example.

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

@@00Klingon - I partially agree with you. I don't see more than a couple of NVME cards in even a high end server for the foreseeable future. They probably exist, but I have not seen a PCIe 32 lane NVME card

[@noobingame9291]

Do note that developers aren't sitting on their asses either. Tools are being made for creating multithreaded and cache friendly code. Good recent example of this would be new EC and Job systems released for Unity3D engine.

[@heavylift47]

Eyyyy! A Thursday Boot ad! I've been following them for years, very nice. haha

[@MatsNorway]

Bloodly hell Linus. Add Autodesk Inventor for benchmark. Autodesk is for CAD like Adobe is for photo/video

[@jaredc9631]

inventor is a toy compared to soilworks/siemens nx

[@DS-pk4eh]

One more reason to go AMD.

[@Albus_Rex]

AMD brainlet here, what's a good AMD Ryzen process for gaming?

[@TridonsEve]

@@Albus_Rex If you wish the most bang for the buck, and can't afford to go too crazy on the budget, the Ryzen 5 2600 is one of the best chips right now. I'd probably throw in a little more for a Ryzen 5 2600X that is clocked higher, as I'm not too great on overclocking.

[@Albus_Rex]

@@TridonsEve And what are thermals like? Would I need water cooling or just CPU cooler? I'm still using a damned FX-6300 in 2018.

[@TridonsEve]

@@Albus_Rex Unless you need to build a system that is as quiet as possible, the stock coolers are good on both the 2600 and 2600X. They aren't noisy at all, but you will hear them if all threads starts working. I was using the FX-9370 up until September. I'm not shaming any fx-users.

[@Albus_Rex]

@@TridonsEve Alright, sounds good. I'll probably build a whole new computer as I need a new motherboard either way due to different sockets. I'll do some more digging on price and performance from AMD.

[@oof6780]

Intel is now the old Amd!

[@Plan36c]

All of you and your teams research and analysis is greatly appreciated.