Intelligent Design Expert on the the Big Bang and the James Webb Telescope

[@maniswil2]

Years ago I wrote this guy a PM on facebook and he sent me a bunch of material and a personal letter with an autographed version of his book. Incredibly good guy. It's my most prized possession.

[@elbandido420]

“Years ago they tried to”

[@ryank843]

You would think you mentioned his name if that was the case lol

[@maniswil2]

@@elbandido420 What are you trying to say?

[@JFolk-pg7jm]

Yes @ellbandido420 what do you mean man?

[@alphazed4067]

Signature in the Cell?

[@mulvy42]

Great podcast Joe! Thanks for having him on and engaging in a respectful conversation.

[@ColKurtzknew]

Dr. Meyers ability to communicate deep scientific AND philosophical concepts in a calm, courteous manner is extraordinary. His interest in Joe's questions , and no doubt in him personally, is genuine. Stephen appeared to thoroughly enjoy the conversation while at times Joe seemed unsettled by what he was hearing.

[@Reclaimer77]

Guy is a fraud and pretends he's doing science when it's creationism.

[@Reclaimer77]

"God did it" ohhhh so deep and philosophical 😂

[@renatomorais8136]

@@Reclaimer77 The point is, looking at everything, seems like there's an order and laws and a start. It's a theistic argument, not a big man in the sky argument that is concerned about you touching yourself. Watch the whole interview, it's very long but very interesting. And watch some other interview, Rogan was not at its best here because these are very straightforward ideas but not mainstream.

[@ikestrawman4625]

​@@renatomorais8136i can't see your entire comment for some reason

[@renatomorais8136]

@@ikestrawman4625 Also don't know why... I'll repost it here, maybe this time it will work? "The point is, looking at everything, seems like there's an order and laws and a start. It's a theistic argument, not a big man in the sky argument that is concerned about you touching yourself. Watch the whole interview, it's very long but very interesting. And watch some other interview, Rogan was not at his best here because these are very straightforward ideas but not mainstream.

[@andrewstone4422]

Stephen Meyer is gift to humanity. Thank you Joe for the interview.

[@Lothnar5070]

😂🤣😂🤡

[@MrSuperman957]

I love the fact that Rogan has him on even though his worldview conflicts with his. Too many podcasts out there are ecochambers

[@daveonezero6258]

It doesn’t though. Joe worships something he may or may not call god but God desires worship through free will. If you aren’t worshipping God you are living in Sin and actually worshipping the devil.

[@nolives]

​@@daveonezero6258 no such thing as free will, especially if you believe in a soveriegn God.

[@MacJnrD]

@@nolivesyes there is, especially if you believe in god

[@gkrisis]

@@headsofhiphop i believe he was asking for evidence, and you managed to avoid that, didn't you?

[@unluckytourist]

I haven't seen any evidence for intelligent design, but it's a fascinating topic for conversation.

[@lobster4501]

I am a plumber… But I wish I was an astrophysicist… I love thinking👍

[@mistergoodfellow5847]

@@CRCov The modern inflated economy is surely stopping him, at least now he won't be rejected based on mere racial factors now that the supreme court made the wonderful decision of ending affirmative action.

[@klaatuzogran4503]

Seems like a pipe dream 😜

[@nataliedeyton6829]

I’m a dumbass that climbs trees and cuts them down and feel the same way …. We were taught nothing in school

[@misty_mountain]

And you would bring more common sense to modern science ! They detached from reality and they need fresh blood!

[@biggzzify]

wouldnt take much to be on the same level as meyers

[@robertblack1512]

We need more clips from this podcast

[@phutureproof]

I love the range of people Joe has on this show it's bloody fantastic.

[@fohrum4757]

It's a shame he invited a blatant liar onto his show though

[@sandwichbreath0]

@@fohrum4757 Not all his guests are hits. Some are misses. But that's what comes when you open yourself to conversations with everyone.

[@fohrum4757]

@@sandwichbreath0 Indeed. Although I mean, to be fair, he or his team should've done maybe a little more research into him before hand. There's a reason scientists don't respect Stephen Meyer, and they should looked into it before inviting him.

[@josefinesiljeback6512]

@@fohrum4757which one?

[@CrAzYDUde2587]

@@fohrum4757”there’s a reason the people who disagree with this guy don’t like him”

[@jeffwright422]

Yes! I love Stephen Meyer. Very intelligent and always great discussion with him. So excited for Joe to have more of these discussions.

[@johnvirgilio5323]

Stephen is awesome! Maybe Joe will have Caltech astrophysicist Hugh Ross on as well. He matches the science with the Bible surprisingly well.

[@EmilyTodicescu]

⁠I second this, especially as Dr. Ross has a tonne of insights regarding the alien / UAP phenomenon, which would likely interest Joe. Lots of great info regarding black holes too, which I’ve heard him describe as “evidence of God’s care”.

[@thejuddah]

I am about 2/3 of the way through the conversation and am disappointed. It has its bright spots, the clip above is one of them, but the overall conversation feels like two steps forward and one step back.

[@Reclaimer77]

Sad how many of you got conned by this guy lol

[@jacobstewart9295]

​@@Reclaimer77Psalm 14 1

[@19mychaellee71]

I sat and watched a snake in a cage repeatedly going to the corner by the window and trying every possible position and combination of positions to get through that glass and outside. The determination and certainty that it could get out was built on observation and understanding. I can't help but think of that snake when humans espouse understanding the universe. I'm pretty sure there's an element missing in the equation because it's just so far beyond comprehension, just like the snake will never understand how humans make glass.

[@FromTheHood2TheWoods]

That’s was a deep observation and analogy bro. I’m for God and Jesus till the end. Seen to much. The Shroud of Turin proves the resurrection imo

[@spen1433]

That’s a great way of illustrating the concept of inhabiting a space where something with a far greater intelligence has set the parameters for existing inside the “cage”. Meanwhile the inhabitant knows there’s more beyond the bounds of its domain even if it can’t comprehend the situation it finds itself in in its entirety.

[@ToploadedGaming]

What a dumb way of saying “I absolutely KNOW there has to be more than evolution and big bang.” Totally bro. Watching a snake totally proves an intelligent designer, but why stop there, as another commenter has alluded, your experience proves his god lul. You two have contributed much to our overall knowledge today. Thanks for your work. It is so incredible how people project their own bs on other people, that they have no idea what their work is about, they can’t even take the time to learn it, only say that it’s wrong, or they know better, because I watched a snake, and made an analogy. It’s so funny how oblivious you all are to this. Joe Rogan is a moron, who cannot help but find conspiracies everywhere. He surrounds himself with charlatans, like this guy, Bob Lazar, Graham Hanock, etc.

[@rjkessler]

We melt sand, bro.

[@williamRE]

Badass snake

[@jonathanrufenacht4714]

Love Stephen Meyer. Great answers to Joe’s questions. Joe should have on David Berlinski sometime also.

[@bradleygonzalez1160]

Yes. Jesus Saves!

[@DannySullivanMusic]

bingo! 10000% spot on.

[@JaximusJoe]

Or William Lane Craig!

[@TheSaiyanRace]

John Lennox would be a superstar conversation as well

[@skavihekkora5039]

Berlinski is dead

[@KenMac-ui2vb]

I sure appreciate Joe's common sense and his ability to listen and think. This was a very interesting interview. Thanks.

[@eduardoleon9693]

I really enjoyed the interview. I had the some of the same questions when I was young. Hope to see more philosophical interviews with Joe.

[@jc9923]

This interview hit the limit of joes ability to interpret the information he’s getting and respond insightfully. Great interview still!

[@Xlippo]

What made you come to that conclusion?

[@Jinzozaddy-qj6vq]

Joe’s only retort to the points that Stephen cited throughout the whole podcast was “Well could there be more data collected in the future that could provide a different explanation? Yeah? Then these current studies aren’t 100%.” Rogan couldn’t seem to / wasn’t open to comprehend anything beyond his current belief system.

[@Xlippo]

@@Jinzozaddy-qj6vq How would you expand the topics, is there other ways of asking for other interpretations, or potential attractive theories of a subject to continue expanding the conversation?

[@lyotimachida5380]

@@Jinzozaddy-qj6vq That was noticeable for me but, it was only for a period in the podcast joe was stuck on at a certain point he was trying to drive. Steve himself complimented Joe as he transitioned to cohesive subjects in the full interview and they were interchangeable.

[@scottlambert4410]

​@Xlippo I came to the conclusion because a lot of it essentially came down to Joe saying "well yea but isn't that just your view or your opinion". Well of course it is. Isn't that why you had him on? Is he supposed to give an opinion that's not his? It was at times as tho Joe was trying to change the guys mind or opinion to the same as Joe. Not joes best in my opinion but opinions are like assholes, everybody has one

[@MrCallidus]

I've just finished the entire interview - awesome discussion. Some have suggested that Rogan was unfairly combative, but he seemed genuinely curious. The stakes here are high if Meyer is right and so probing questions are absolutely called for. Meyer fielded them well - an intellectual tour de force.

[@bryanhawkins9418]

Rogan seems so unwilling to accept anything that Meyer put forward. “Isn’t that based on a limited amount of information?” In reference to all the collected information we have spanning scientific research from the beginning of science as we know it.

[@walkingdeadman4208]

I think its just the religious nuts . They dont like you questioning "gods word." But in fact, they are men's word

[@roberthak3695]

@@bryanhawkins9418 because Joe like most of his audience is brainwashed only with with one side of the argument/s

[@NK-nk3xe]

Meyer stuttered and folded up like a paper cup whenever he had to try and defend the bible for sure. Multiple times in the interview.

[@owllymannstein7113]

I thought Rogan was being pretty obtuse. He doesn't ask any other scientist "but isn't that just based on our current knowledge?". Besides that his thing questioning the validity of Meyer's personal experience was pretty odd given how often Joe talks about the validity of psychedelics based on people's personal experiences with them.

[@justingutube]

This is an amazing conversation.

[@justingutube]

@uniquemetal look deeper my friend, yours is not the answer

[@followersofyeshuahamashiac462]

I would've LOVE to see Dr. Michael Heiser on Joe's show b4 he passed. He was such a great communicator for the complexities of the Ancient Near East languages. He could've helped Joe really understand the cuneiform tablets of Sumer or the hieroglyphics of Egypt or what the Biblical Hebrew REALLY says about the Unseen Realm. Hopefully Dr. Heiser's videos come up while looking into Dr. Meyer.

[@ensenqui]

You are right very good professor. And he also had knowledge of the UFO subject that Joe is so interested in, I have seen his program fringepop321 on KZbin, very good.

[@indigokiller]

This has been my dream podcast, Joe finally made it happen, and it didn’t disappoint.

[@happymood888]

My dream is to see lil wayne on this podcast

[@grapentine739]

​@@happymood888😅

[@loosecIit]

@@happymood888holy shit

[@happymood888]

@luciferfn5367 I once took a lot of magic mushrooms and went to sleep and had a crazy dream about Lil Wayne on The Joe Rogan podcast it was very Vivid and it WAS A GREAT PODCAST

[@c09s28]

I’ve been wanting to see this as well. So glad it happened!

[@ardell5127]

I have a brain cramp. I will definitely listen to this podcast about 3 more times. Good info.

[@dylanmcphee8454]

Here is the quote by Terrence McKenna that Joe referenced. “Modern science is based on the principle: ‘Give us one free miracle and we’ll explain the rest.’ The one free miracle is the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe and all the laws that govern it in a single instant from nothing.”

[@tylermorgan9018]

For real. These people are in denial. They just don't want to admit that they are sinners and Need Jesus to forgive their sins. Boom. There you go. You're welco.e

[@DarkHallwayz]

@@tylermorgan9018Jesus isn’t coming to save you bro

[@DanielAnderssson]

@@tylermorgan9018 I would say religious people are in denial. But whatever floats your boat

[@9901woody]

Jesus has already saved me, brother! He can and will save you also if you humble yourself and ask him to. ~Peace!@@DarkHallwayz

[@Stupidityindex]

Men have always known God is a tool of fiction. You can explain everything with fiction. ​Re: Luke 11:29-36 "As the crowds increased", Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. Jonah 1:15-17 KJV So they took up Jonah and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. The superstitious crowd is wicked. We know them by their works & those use the vocabulary of fiction as if we did not know nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. No man looks for prophet as a job description outside of fantasyland. Even Jesus Christ proclaims faith is worthless since you can't get mountains to jump on command, as if they could ask "How high sir." Jesus Christ is fiction so you can cherry-pick a number of things. I'm trying to use the text to point out nothing is sacred or divine, it is your faith which heals you & not touching the hem of his tunic like people do, by virtual touching the shroud of Turin. The scream from the wicked generation says look there is a magic image of Jesus, He is not fiction. Men have always known God is fiction. The Temple of God serves the best meat, & if Gods existed, She would have no need of men for teachers. Thanks for the reply. How is it possibly ethical to suggest the equivalent of a notion we all travel with one foot in a stranger's fantasyland, using fictional vocabulary: prophecy, prayer, etc. We have Moses: World's worst navigator leading a party as if travel were best done with one foot in fiction. If Christianity were so good, why are the Jews unconvinced? The religious lack any standing for a vacuum of quality-control. The Jews have a joke: God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel. As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah, who was sacrificed overboard & the raging sea grew calm." The sign of Jonah is the superstitious working their way to a majority & good people dying. Need we add more? Should we ignore it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions, the witch killing? Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. We don't recommend prophet as job description. We know them by their works & Christians have attempted to put their new wine in the old Jew wineskin. They both come from genital mutilation spun up with circumcision as a shortcoming. We know them by their works, the vocabulary of fiction, of spin.

[@SunSpuned]

I feel that he is very articulate. The reason he pauses at certain points is because he is deciding what to say. The ideas he is trying to explain to a layman audience are very complex, and he wants to explain things so that normal people like us can understand. The guy has devoted his life to study these topics and clearly has an immense amount of knowledge, seen by the fact that he is constantly quoting or references endless amounts of scientists, dates, and even specific events in his life. So when Joe asks a question, his brain is probably going in multiple directions as to how to best answer a question. And he doesn't seem nervous at all, he has spoken to much more hostile audiences. He is awesome!

[@johnnyboy1586]

Yes he is waaay more humble than let's say Richard Dawkins 😅

[@Alexander_Kale]

@@johnnyboy1586 He is also way more wrong than Dawkins. And yeah, he is smooth, isn't he? Most conmen are, it's not exactly a prerequisite, but it helps enormously.

[@johnnyboy1586]

@@Alexander_Kale he didn't come across to me like a car salesman,but I'm no scientist so where was he wrong ?

[@Alexander_Kale]

@@johnnyboy1586 You are in good company then, as Meyer isn't a scientist either. His doctorate is in philosophy. Car salesman is actually a good analogy, now that I think about it. He has been embroiled in this ridiculous "teach the controversy" thing from a few years back and he continues to push "creation science" and intelligent design, both of which are demonstrable nonsense. Effectively, every time he quotes a scientist, you can trust that quote. You can also trust that he has taken it out of context and that whatever he claims as a conclusion has no basis in science. Stephen Meyer is a snakeoil salesman who seeks to discredit all of astrophysics, because it doesn't mesh well with scripture.

[@Alexander_Kale]

@@johnnyboy1586 In more specific terms, and I beg you to forgive the double post: In this particular segment, he has mislabeled the Big Bang as the "beginning" of the universe. Which he needs to be true so he can say "god did it", which he does all the time. The first 6 minutes are him waffling about. It is a preamble for what comes next. Starting at minute 6, he starts to talk about a "beginning". Which was originally prompted by Rogan, but he didn't correct him on it. Which he SHOULD have because the Big Bang is not the "beginning". We do not know what happened before the Big Bang. Calling it the beginning of the universe is therefore disingenuous. He then mentions hawkins and Penrose, saying how their findings point towards "a beginning". No, they don't. Both of which have done work exploring the idea of the Big Bang, and Penrose in particular has forwarded the idea of a cyclical universe. Meaning, that there IS no beginning if Penrose is correct. And again, he KEEPS calling it "the beginning". That is disingenuous. The big Bang is not the beginning of the universe. And this is important for Meyer of course, becuase he NEEDS a beginning to justify his "theistic implications" that he mentions at the 11 minute mark. Ask yourself this: He talks about "proofs" for a beginning. I already told you that "beginning" is a deliberate mislabeling by Meyer, but what proofs were actually mentioned in this clip? He just says they exist, he mentions names, he mentions his book, but he makes no effort to explain what they actually are. This entire segment is him waffling. Cheers comes to mind, in particular the famous "but he didn't say anything!" exclamation in episode 11x21 And then of course he launches into the whole fine tuning bullshit at the end of the clip, on which I would refer you to Douglas Adams and his puddle analogy.

[@bencausey]

Thank you, Joe, for having him on!!!! Excellent.

[@deion312]

Stephen meyers on the Joe Rogan podcast! Let’s go!

[@deion312]

@uniquemetal wow

[@Bigstevo01]

Great talk and guest! Really enjoyed. Refreshing. 👍props to Joe for having him

[@Drenger7]

It was a tough conversation for Joe at times, it’s great to see some constructive conflict at such a high level on a fascinating topic. Some of the best stuff on the internet today

[@mmamultiverse75]

This guy was spewing bullshit about evolution, not being real, that in a binary digital computing system it doesn't make sense. Nature works on the quantum computing system as kaku said. So this guy is completely off to begin with

[@ShaferHart]

Joe made some very dumb "counterpoints". He wasn't following the guest arguments at all some times. I think he was too predisposed to ridiculing intelligent design which did a disservice to the conversation because he used very basic, anti intellectual arguments against it. Like 5th grade level arguments. Like Stephen said there's actually a lot of scientists questioning the theory of evolution these days which is mind-blowing in itself.

[@gottago1885]

@@ShaferHartno, joe is the smartest human currently so you’re wrong

[@mikeslemonade]

Space is fake. The Earth is flat.

[@liggerstuxin1]

This is true, but compared to the Layman Joe is doing great

[@Otf.favo1800]

Joe: “Dude that’s cool, but did you hear about the bear that was surviving on hallucinogenic strawberries?” 😂😂

[@MrCallidus]

Wow, Meyer is a fantastic guest

[@BK-dy8jk]

This is super interesting! Amazing information..

[@parkerberryhilll]

My favorite episode by far

[@johnthomas4868]

As interesting as the story is, what it really makes me consider is the fact that we now live in an age where our information is being so distilled and twisted to support a specific point of view that the average consumer of news cannot get the straight information: it always comes with someone’s bias wrapped around it, and that is really hurting us as a species right now. Whether it be politics, science, religion, healthcare, or any other community-centric topic, it is really hard for us to discuss these things when the information comes half-baked and distorted.

[@carlosalba7790]

News has always been that way, sure it's more now with so many different ways to get media but it has always had twists on what was shown or told.

[@ryanengelke6573]

It's now obvious to more people.

[@bidmcms3]

People need to be less stupid and gullible. Unless you have seen and analyzed the raw data, assume it’s untrue

[@mmamultiverse75]

I think it's the opposite. The average IQ of the world has gone up so much due to social media. News is always biased and 70% of the world is programmed by nature to fall for for biases (survival of the fittest is a significant law of nature) if anybody wanted to fund the truth the information is out there. Most choose to the way of fast food new due to whatever excuses one may have.

[@bustywaifus]

Like how everyone thinks Mars is red, but that was the NASA changing the colors on the pictures. New pictures of Mars look gray mostly, rocks.

[@HarryBalzak]

This talk is even more intriguing than I expected, and the title set my expectations very high.

[@russellhenckel2887]

Signature in the cell, Darwin’s doubt, return of the God hypothesis. All very good, factual books by Stephen meyer

[@patrickmurphy9152]

This was great. Thank you. So many things I want yo read in to that they discussed.

[@AbcDino843]

This is the first episode of JRE that tempted me to subscribe to Spotify so I can watch it in its entirety.

[@adamzeppelin]

You should, this was a fantastic interview

[@Insightsofthewise1776]

😊 it's free, worth it. Of course Joe is coming back to all platforms soon, so.. 😊

[@jsweetness5]

This is another example of why this is the best podcast on the face of the Earth. The ideas stem from comedy, to politics, to health, to religion, and a fusion of all of those things together in a myriad of combinations, that teases and pleases the intellect.

[@lonemapper]

Absolutely. And having this guest on sealed the deal for me. Joe Rogan is my ALL TIME favorite!

[@AzarathMetreon]

You say this like millions of other people don’t talk about the same shit. They just weren’t global celebrities when they started talking about the same shit.

[@jsweetness5]

@@AzarathMetreon what’s your point?

[@AzarathMetreon]

@@jsweetness5 My point is that you’re praising Joe for something he isn’t even remotely unique or special for doing just because he has the name recognition others don’t.

[@jsweetness5]

@@AzarathMetreon you don’t know my intent. Did someone hurt you? Why are you picking fights with strangers on the internet? Do you struggle when people have different opinions than yours?

[@gloaming4247]

Surprisingly enjoyable conversation that gave me a lot to think about. Stephen humbly reminding me that I still have prejudices, if I'd known he was a proponent of intelligent design I doubt I'd have listened but he makes a great argument for it.

[@Tony.Ferguson]

This is great to hear!

[@weshouser821]

I don't understand why evolution itself can't be the "intelligent design". I mean when human beings design A.I., we try to design it to evolve and adapt to anything. I just think evolution vs intelligent design is an unwinnable argument, because they both are the same thing. Evolution is the intelligent design.

[@gloaming4247]

@@weshouser821 That was basically Stephens argument though wasn't it? How we have that (I forget the proper terminology he used) integrated circuit which is evidence of fine tuning and cannot itself handle any kind of mutations without shutting down the whole framework. So the advantageous mutations that cause evolution are reliant on a system that was seemingly fine tuned from the get go. And the more levels you regress the more fine tuned systems there appear to be to even get to having a galaxy/solar system/planet for all this to occur in the first place. As Sagan said, if you wish to build an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe... but literally :')

[@ChristianTrinity411]

If naturalism were true there simply never would have been anything.

[@NG-VQ37VHR]

​@@weshouser821especially when you consider the implication that time is relative, and really, something only expirenced by objects with mass. Several billion years of evolution to create a human, or a day, might as well be the same thing if time is relative.

[@user-ee1sq7ly6y]

👏Great interview

[@rickjelley6347]

Love Stephen M., glad to see him on the show

[@jasonfry5846]

It wouldn’t be a JRE episode without Joe trying to justify aliens and drugs lol.

[@Nebx1989]

It wouldn't be a JRE episode without Joe not grasping half of what his guest is saying/arguing and Joe taking everything literally and derailing the topic from what his guest just said every time he opens his mouth.

[@Barthaneous34]

Don't forget about chimps and dolphins!

[@souxiong4363]

Elk! Eat Elk! Low kick! Smoke weed! HAUSCHASCA. More Elk! Spinning back kick!

[@ygb0y]

​@@Nebx1989SM was outlining his views on metaphysics vs science in a really profound way that I had never considered and Joe couldn't wait one second before blurting out a complete brain fart after. Excruciating to listen to.

[@Alexander_Kale]

@@ygb0y Stephen Meyer is indeed excruciating to listen to...

[@DirtySoap]

James Webb is changing a lot of things and it just passed its one year observing anniversary!

[@__WJK__]

I truly hope it holds up for awhile and micro-meteors stop hitting crticial components!

[@maync1]

No it doesn't.

[@justinmadrid8712]

@@__WJK__Don’t worry. LGBTQ Climate Change alarmist NASA will just take another 10 billion dollars to send a new telescope up there.

[@michaelclay8544]

Great conversation

[@brycehanning9252]

Thanks Joe for having Stephen on!

[@hellsgate2000]

As much as I love learning about these subjects. I strongly believe the science community knows about 1% of what the universe is and the potential of what is possible. We all need to be open minded and explore all possibilities and leave ego at the door.

[@daveonezero6258]

This is why a real relationship with the creator is valuable. He does know everything

[@Luketa1978]

​@@daveonezero6258😅😅😅😅😂😂😂...oh my.

[@4bidden1]

Yea the scientists know 1% and the combined religious groups know a total of 0% 😂

[@Marrikable]

"You, like, only know 1% brah! You should like, give equal time to the imaginary bullshit that I made up based on nothing!"

[@ichimeshi8128]

@@Marrikable How about you actually take the time out of our busy schedule to listen to the entirety of the podcast before resulting to fruitless insults.

[@jallen3311]

Very impressed with Dr. Meyers!

[@scotamusic6503]

I've been waiting to see this guy on the podcast for a while 🎉

[@edkaszwagrakobitybrat1677]

My favourite type of guests and JRE episodes, something what I can actually learn. Good stuff

[@derhafi]

From a professional liar? Rethink that maybe.

[@360.Tapestry]

what did you learn? or did it just encourage something you already want to believe?

[@kevinwalsh4652]

Then I learn you something: first, both "big bang" and "Darwin" both equal #33 in Pythagorean numerology, so there's your tell, next, Van Allen belt is so hot, anything that attempted to pass through it would instantly be fried, meaning absolutely NO communication of any kind, I challenge people to produce one single photograph of earth from space, you can't, only CGI garbage, if you look at the "proof" of India landing a rover on the moon, it's comical, it's literally a cartoon.

[@aarongoodwin4845]

​@@derhafiAnd then there's people like you that just 💩 on everything worth a damn!

[@aarongoodwin4845]

​@@360.TapestryYou tell us! It seems you're claiming to have the answers!

[@nicksakoyannis4808]

Good work Joe!

[@defeatingdefeaters]

This was great!! Meyer is so good!

[@tajfunqw6199]

Finally Steven on Joe’s podcast. Can’t wait for another. They just barely touched subjects from Steven’s first and second book. Such a pleasure to listen to Steven and such a pleasure to listen to so thoughtful and respectful host.

[@horsefootrot5654]

Ok I just downloaded Spotify to watch this video as I'm a huge fan of SCM. So it was first time on Spotify. The app didn't let me see the video only the audio?? Is that normal or do I need to do something to activate the video of this discussion? Dumb question I suppose for ppl who have used Spotify before.

[@TheSaiyanRace]

Joe's had so many Atheists on his podcast over the years. Stephen Meyer is one of the many Christian apologists I've wanted to see on JRE!! I can't believe this finally happened! Yeeesss! 👏 👏 👏

[@CantTellYou]

You’re not kidding, fans have been asking for a guest from “the other side” for YEARS now. I don’t lean one way or the other but I love the conversation

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Joe would do well with guys like Doug Wilson or Jeff Durbin. Guys who can actually present ground level Apologetics to the kind of questions Joe asked. I thought Stephen's apologetic was kinda weak in this interview tbh.

[@SkepticalJesusOfficial]

I love how it’s called Apologetics, as it’s so nonsensical one should be apologetic for defending it lol

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

@@SkepticalJesusOfficial you had to upvote your own comment because it's so re-tarded.

[@TheSaiyanRace]

@Cinnamonbuns13 it's not that his apologetics are weak, it's that he strong in a very specialized aspect of the whole body of apologetics.

[@franciszieglar9932]

absolutely great episode no matter what worldview you hold, some did say joe was being a little combative but that's understandable, they're discussing entire worldviews which would probably bring along some kind of defensiveness on both sides but regardless I'm glad joe did bring on someone he disagrees with, his ability to do that separates him from the rest..amazing stuff

[@jimmymcgill2557]

i'm 90 minutes through so far, i listen to about an hour of a podcast every single day and Joes attitude this episode has been really disappointing, he hasn't smiled or laughed once and seems to dismiss EVERYTHING Stephen says...not sure if he was in a bad mood the day this was recorded or what but it's been painful to listen to so far..

[@InbredSpanishKing]

@@jimmymcgill2557because intelligent design is idiotic without evidence. It’s all faith-based

[@LuckyFlesh]

​@duane6504 If "God" exists outside of our physical realm of space and time (and it'd have to If it created this construct), then we'd have no way of measuring . Our inability to prove something simply proves our limitations, not that something doesn't exist.

[@InbredSpanishKing]

@@LuckyFlesh u don’t know any of that for sure 😂

[@LuckyFlesh]

@duane6504 That's true. We have no way of objectively knowing anything. We can't place ourselves outside of our own "reality". This entire thing could be a fabrication or even a dream or something we have no concept of. Still, it's entertaining to discuss and debate. Hope your day is going well.

[@jamastunna]

Our team of aerospace engineers built and tested a “two for one” instrument that contributed to Webb. The first part is the Fine Guidance Sensor (FGS), which helps guide the telescope and point it precisely so it can focus on an object of interest. The FGS is the most sophisticated guidance sensor of any telescope, and it remains active during all of Webb’s observations. The second part is the Near Infrared Imager and Slitless Spectrograph (NIRISS), to observe distant galaxies, as well as study the chemical composition of exoplanets’ atmospheres to possibly search for conditions that may be favorable for life.

[@jeff230394]

Yea sure. Me too

[@vardaan5797]

jeez that's very cool

[@danielchettiar5670]

That's cool. Where do you work bro?

[@jamastunna]

@@danielchettiar5670 honeywell aerospace

[@GeorgeZimmermen]

@@jamastunnaI love your fans and humidifiers

[@razcue1]

I have to give this dude props for how understandable he made this stuff.

[@atheosmonde]

God did it, is that how "simple" you need it.

[@razcue1]

@@atheosmonde Two things. First: Why did you put "simple" in quotes? Second: I don't understand your question, and not just because you didn't put a question mark. God bless you!

[@larryredenbaugh6854]

​@@atheosmondeJust because we're trying to understand what God did. That doesn't deny the work of God and his creations.

[@ngfjjbhetjnbdg6979]

He's complicating what's very simple. The point is James Webb Telescope disproved the big bang theory. But these secular zealots changed their theory "again" and are arguing the change never occurred. They were are wrong.

[@toohonest_]

No man.. he was not understandable

[@slidexztv9727]

You can tell this guys brain is working faster than his mouth can keep up with

[@Gaxbiez]

Yeah, Joe rogan’s a beast.

[@eddieparris2803]

Think you got that backwards.

[@bleacherz7503]

@@eddieparris2803 says the highschool dropout?

[@bleacherz7503]

@@Gaxbiezyou love your highschool dropouts !

[@davidblick2192]

Thanks for having Stephen Meijer on!

[@storytimewithauntmonica955]

Super interesting guest! Really enjoyed this episode.

[@franzpaul6244]

I never thought I would see Stephen Meyer on JRE and I think it's awesome. it would be nice to see Joe interview Dr. James Tour about abiogenesis...

[@franzpaul6244]

@Linux4UnMe the origin of life conversation is fascinating and Joe has been primed to have it. since they both live in Texas- it seems like a no brainer. I'm here for it...

[@patrickboyle6727]

Agree

[@gregkirk1842]

It would be a waste of time. Joe would just sit there and, not hearing anything, and counter with "ya,but...blah blah a bunch of stupid meat head, 5th grade, cross examinations.

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

I really liked this episode. I have the book "Signature in the Cell" and I didn't realize he was the author until I was deeper in the show.

[@Jay-L33]

"Intelligent design expert" is a hilarious title. He wrote his paper in the "DailyWire" lol

[@jonathanpatterson2798]

I love it when someone is able to explain on a level for all.

[@stewartwhitney9187]

Scientific communication is a growing field, thank goodness. We need more scientific communicators like Dr. Meyer.

[@richielives]

@@stewartwhitney9187 always better to learn science than watch a science communicator

[@aarongoodwin4845]

​@@richielivesAlways better to do both and avoid being a pompous ass!

[@peterkotara]

@@stewartwhitney9187 _"We need more scientific communicators like Dr. Meyer"_ Dr Meyer is pseudoscience communicator whos objective is to have creationism taught in schools alongside the theory of evolution (which he rejects). How anyone could think we need more "scientific communicators" like him is beyond me.

[@alexnik1181]

He isn't able to, he misrepresented a lot of knowledge.

[@FuzzyWuzzy75]

I would love to see Joe Rogan do a podcast with John Lennox.

[@mjdillaha]

This is an unexpected surprise. Never thought I’d see Dr Meyer on JRE. Any hope that WLC will be on in the near future?

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

We are all hoping Joe has some theologians on there. He hasn’t been fair to Christian’s or theists in the past, but he’s opening up.

[@DadeMurphie]

Hopefully not he's a fraud.

[@lymphy12]

@@DadeMurphie Nah man, he is "elite" even believes in miracles

[@curtisreeveslackore]

​@@DadeMurphieSteven Pinker and Lawrence Krauss have been to Jeffrey Epstein's Island. Lawrence lost his job because of sexual accusations and Pinker was facing a lawsuit because someone from Epstein's Island proved they slept with him. This guy's a fraud but pedophiles are not? Follow the money Jesus! pun intended

[@ChristianTrinity411]

Joe NEEDS Dr. William Lane Craig as a guest, like years ago.

[@billirons6277]

As an ex atheist, I noticed, when I was continually denying the creation of God around me, I figured out that it all boiled down to one thing. No matter what I knew to be true, I just wanted to say, “NO” to God. I simply just didn’t want to make God the God of my life. I was God and nothing was going to change that.

[@senselessDesires666]

👻👻BRAVO❤❤

[@iamishin7675]

That’s a cool backwards explanation of what happened to fit your current beliefs.

[@10patsor]

OMG I can't believe you had Stephen on your show. THANK YOU MAN

[@10patsor]

Invite Frank Turek or James Tour as well. Would be awesome.

[@robertl.crowtherii8179]

Excellent interview

[@jjeKKell]

Joe plz bring back Stephen with David Berlinski, and David Gelernter, together the three will blow your mind 🤯

[@williamingramm2293]

Put those guys in a room with actual experts in Evolution and enjoy the Intelligent Designers squirm uncomfortably around the easy rebuttals to their nonsense. In most cases these guys are either misrepresenting the experts they vaguely cite or are parroting science that was already debunked and abandoned half a century ago.

[@jjeKKell]

@@williamingramm2293 What, so they can fail to to explain the gaping holes in their own theory? Even Gerd Müller acknowledges the problem Developmental Gene regulatory Networks (dGrns) present for current micro and macroevolutionary models (check out Eric Davidson's work at Caltech see what I mean). Meanwhile, David Berlinski and David Galertner are not "intelligent designers," so now who's "misrepresenting" William? In which case, I'd suggest, it's people who seem to think this is "a competition" that make the problem all that much harder. This should be about (not) guarding ego and paradigm, and (not) siloing "the truth" (according to only certain experts), and 𝘩𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘭𝘺 acknowledging what questions remain. That's all a person like Stephen Meyer is saying. New atheism is dead, try and keep up.

[@thisguythatguy7472]

This one was great!👍

[@ModicoWatches]

You have to give it to Joe. One of the reason his podcasts are so good are not only the quality of guests he has on but the questions that he asks are fantastic. His ability to delve and try to understand a wide variety of subject by leading the conversation in a specific direction is really something.

[@gregkirk1842]

I though his questions were lame and stupid.

[@ModicoWatches]

@@gregkirk1842 such as? What would you have asked?

[@Barthaneous34]

His questions were elementary at best. The problem with Athiestic questions is that one assumes the Bible is not real already and that the person has not read it to begin with them begins to ask a question or multiple questions that are answered in like the first couple chapters of the Bible. Origin of death and suffering ? In the beginning.. origins of species and changes within animal kinds? In the beginning. Origins of animal to plant relationships? In the beginning. Etc. All of it is in the beginning but those who Hate God for whatever reason have a hard time with just the line IN THE BEGINNING. And that should then not be the Christians responsibility to convince you. If your brain and heart are too hateful and or stupid to read the most selling and popular book every year and all year long for the last 400 years then we who believe can't help youm as Christ said about the Rich man and Lazarus. Even if the dead came out of the grave and warned these type of scoffers they would come up with some stupid idea of what they say was not real or not from God..

[@jon477]

I don't think he's hateful or trying to intentionally ask dumb questions. Not every Christian is a fundamentalist. Stephen himself is not a fundamentalist and has an interesting view on evolution and origin of animals that I haven't heard from a Christian before. The way that people lay Genesis out can vary widely.

[@leedo1106]

​@@Barthaneous34 Yes everything is in the beginning but this statement is only cited in your bible and other similar religious texts. It is not supported by any other sources unlike the theories proposed by science which are proven by multiple fields. Also, most atheists are not the hateful creatures you think they are. They just are very skeptical of the evidence that is there that supports what religion tells us instead of choosing to dogmatically follow it because a man-made being tells us to.

[@williamdunn1422]

Joe, thank you for being open to learn.

[@blake350z]

Learn what ? 😂

[@50zezima]

​@blake350z Yeah lol what? Joe couldnt even go into the real convincing and arguments against this guys religious beliefs because he was so insecure about his own beliefs. They didnt even go into how genetics could be ancestral abilities passed on through evolution based on their experiences and what they have learned. That would pretty much make the whole "gods intervention" theory done for.

[@blake350z]

@@50zezima no proof of any gods. Grow up. Evolution is as fact as gravity. 2023 and people are this dumb.

[@belgiumfantv1494]

I’ve been dying to see Joe interview this guy

[@matthew6427]

I always love listening to quacks quack 😂 This "dr" was perfect for a good laugh.

[@AN-jw2oe]

Couldn’t follow the conversation, eh?

[@roboutegiiliman-prime9074]

Thanks for having Stephen-M on Joe_R, much appreciated!!! He has the rare ability to explain complex astro physics in simple terms a child would understand. A very wise man for 😃🙌

[@st3ppenwolf]

He explains his own interpretation of it and make no mistake, no serious astrophysicist would pay attention to much of what he says -- because it's not real science

[@mightyowl1252]

Being able to "explain complex astro physics in simple terms a child would understand" is only possible because it's pseudoscience made for people with critical thinking of a child.

[@countvlad8845]

Excellent interview. I wish Stephen Myers would be on more shows so that people don't have to feel they are losing their science instead of their religion (forgive me REM). It's not an either/or, mutually exclusive pursuit.

[@ScreamingatWhispers]

😂😂😂ultrared shifted in the spotlight 🎶🕺🎶

[@ZeroESG.goopootoob]

Yep. It's merely the mainstream scientific industry that people need to doubt... not science itself. This, however, is all second to philosophy, and the philosophy of science, of which *Stephen C. Meyer is the top expert/specialist.

[@jpiri2218]

Yes, in fact I’ve realized that the more I explore theoretical science the more I see that all science proves God as our creator. Which is separate from religion and even separate from the Bible and the traditional Genesis version. Any science based on theory requires a belief/faith. Whether it’s the theory of evolution or theoretical molecular physics or astrophysics or any other theoretical science if it’s theoretical it takes some form of belief! That’s not that dissimilar from the belief in God. It’s almost as if one proves the other…coincidence?

[@ZeroESG.goopootoob]

@@jpiri2218 Yeah. It's quite sad that people seem to conflate the question of the existence of God with the question of the identity of God. Even though there is overlap of data relevance, the lines of reasoning are completely distinct.

[@Jim-Bob-24-365]

Enjoyed the show. I like the intellectual shows the best. Wish you would have more of them. Try to get James Perloff on. He wrote the book " Tornado in a Junkyard."

[@DrinkWater713]

Intelligent design is the opposite of intellectual.

[@flask2910]

My dad has a podcast with him today!

[@sycofya1677]

Please more science topics ❤

[@jeffclark2675]

Steven Meyer!!! This man must be protected at all costs!

[@Cazaly66]

Listen to Oxford Maths professor John Lennox on this subject also. His discourse with Jordan Peterson on JBP’s podcast is essential listening. Meyer talks so eloquently, he’s a superb listen. I’m also now convinced 🙏🏻

[@roland1912]

These are my favorite guests. I love shit that I don't understand lol

[@balanceyourmind]

The probing, and direction of conversation showed both intuitive and inquisitive minds on each side. I appreciated that Joe was able to continue to bring back the focal point of question. While this would often get sent off track with long explanations. The discussion followed a respectful space. The ability for each to reference points and also acknowledge lack of information for certain contained subjects without having ego take over incredible interview!

[@silverburst6123]

Wow, pleasantly surprised to see Stephen on Joe Rogan.

[@sowersass2]

i remember this guy from the creationist failure in that court case where they tried to get creationism in the science class.

[@stansnyder2041]

Thank you Joe for having Stephen Meyer on your podcast. You were very cordial and I enjoyed the entire interview. I'm praying that you will seek and find the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@whanethewhip]

12:30 nope, that's not the big bang theory. The problem is that people give too much credence to people that are intentionally using the straw-man fallacy because they can't argue the real claims. The big bang theory doesn't state that everything came from nothing, that's what someone says when they have never spent a solid 5 minutes learning the big bang theory. The big bang theory is an *expansion* event, not a creation event and as such an accurate way to describe it is: everything exists, and it expanded.

[@CollinKillian]

In order for the expansion event to happen, you would need the fundamental laws of nature. How did those exist prior to the big bang?

[@whanethewhip]

@@CollinKillian You might as well be asking where the singularity came from, and when you answer that with B, then you ask where did B come from. And on and on it goes. I'm sure you've been down this road before so what's wrong with accepting the only honest answer known today: "No one knows."

[@CollinKillian]

@@whanethewhip Fair enough, I of course am not God, so I do not know. I'll assume, and my assumption is that sometimes things may sound fantastical, but when the logical can't be replicated the fantastical becomes logical.

[@txsiimk]

​@@CollinKillian I prefer no one knows as opposed to "the Christian God did it"

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Great episode, thank you. It’s admirable to watch people challenge each other respectfully, so kudos for role-modelling this ideal. If Joe is keen on doing a deep exploration of the UAP / alien contactee phenomenon from a Biblical perspective, then astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross is the guest to invite. He has a tonne of insights and lots of great info regarding black holes too. (The latter he describes as “evidence of God’s care”.)

[@shawntco]

Hugh Ross and/or William Lane Craig on the JRE would be so cool

[@carbonbasedunit3422]

Joe and Meyer -a delightful and powerful combination.

[@matthewremmele9272]

We need an interview with David Grusch the whistle blower I'm dying to hear you interview him

[@xzonia1]

I'd love to see that!

[@arturoloza2913]

This is one of the best episodes I've come across. The guy came thru with quotes, theories and information from other scholars and how did I know Joe was going to take it back to mushrooms 🍄 🍄 😂😂 no hate, I have great respect for Joe but he becoming a meme of his himself

[@Spectre4913]

Theories we know are wrong and misinformation.

[@djuhnk]

Everyone can be a meme once you get to know them super well

[@kevinwalsh4652]

If you believe any flying telescope could make it through the Van Allen belt while simultaneously transmitting electronic images....then you believe Gilligan was really stuck on an island.

[@briananderson7071]

Great to see Joe let the other side of his ideology defend their ideas. Thanks joe

[@gregkirk1842]

He didn't allow him to defend them really, He just shot everything down instantly with a bunch of immature "yeah, but..."stupid comments that any 5th grader could think past.

[@liquidpza]

​@@gregkirk1842 Yeah, but...repeatable evidence based knowledge. That should always supercede dogmatic rhetoric, regardless of the source. I love reading texts from the countless fascinating religions and philosophies around the world, but things quickly become absurd when the scientific method gets involved. If these stories bring people happiness and community, that's wonderful, but it's best to not pretend that they belong in the realm of science when looking to parse the fabric of reality.

[@x_____________]

@@gregkirk1842 It's called having a conversation, Greg

[@kos-mos1127]

Joe Rogan lest people talk then he points are their contradictions.

[@dons1932]

@@gregkirk1842 This was so disappointing that I couldn't even make it through the whole cast. It was Joe at his absolute worst. He was downright saying Steve's personal experiences were wrong. Steve bit his tongue so hard by not blurting out "they were my damned experiences, you weren't there nor felt them."

[@dawnjjones2855]

One of my favorite episodes ever! I ❤️ Joe

[@Tyty74628]

Finally… someone on the podcast who isn’t a comedian or mma fighter

[@AngusBeef0]

Big bang was the interdimensional beings hitting the power button

[@chrisregimbal2073]

These are the best JRE episodes

[@inlausa]

Thank you Joe...There are always two sides of every story!

[@daveonezero6258]

But there is Truth.

[@shaunmcinnis1960]

Brilliant and humble man.

[@edwards3217]

Stephen C. Meyer knows his stuff. Christ is King ✝️👑

[@stoffel89]

The more knowledge you gain the more you realise how very little you know and understand. Its a gift and a curse at the same time.

[@su....]

which is why i think that, basically, we all need to just chill and enjoy the ride as much as possible. which for me has taken god coming into my life in the 'form' of jesus christ.

[@Mr.Isquierdo]

We can only see the observable universe, but it's not enough. To understand its entirety, we'd have to experience what's beyond the universe, if there is a beyond. If the universe is infinite, we won't find the answer

[@frankyturrizo4240]

I never thought Joe would have a guy like this on his podcast

[@MsEcct]

I Love how He has guests I didnt even know I wanted to get to know.

[@Dazdillinger101]

Joe: have you seen the bear flying a helicopter? Joe: pull it up Jamie

[@Adam-sr3vb]

😂

[@jackshepherd9843]

Brilliant episode! 👍