Intergroup shipping in kpop

[@NatashaLkim]

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[@nnnn-sc2im]

kpop fans will complain about idols not being treated by people and then continue to ship idols with other idols

[@chuuberryxoxo]

i love friendships between idols but people take it way too far sometimes... like they could have secret accounts and see that like its so weird 😭

[@Patrick_OBrien]

My biggest issue with the shipping culture is that it really tarnishes the concept of friendship. Like, two guys and two girls can't simply caring friends with one another that can show affection without fans making fanfiction about them.

[@stayinneverland]

Saw the thumbnail and was surprised "Hyunlix" wasn't there lol, their shippers we're so violent at some point that it was visible both Felix and Hyunjin started to avoid interacting as much on camera How do people see that and not stop? 💀💀

[@hagpill]

shipping is still pretty relevant today with groups like zerobaseone it's crazy

[@crystalsnow1138]

V said himself he doesn't like being shipped with other members and yet some "fans" still do, it's terrible. I have no problem with shipping friendships, but it's incredible how many delusional shippers are out there making up their own fantasies.

[@VideosForYou90]

Shipping in kpop reminds me SO MUCH of other cases like Harry and Louis ("Larry") from One Direction or Lauren and Camila ("Camren") from Fifth Harmony a few years ago. All of those members said that those shippers put a huge strain on their friendships and it stressed and annoyed them so much of constantly getting analysed so they started avoiding each other and drifted apart. That's why it's not just for fun, these kpop idols that we're talking about here are real HUMAN BEINGS and not just your little characters inside of your head. This behavior has real life consequences.

[@a.a677]

Just to clarify, Camila has never commented on the ship, only Lauren.

[@melonpeach9723]

@@a.a677both her and Lauren spoke on it during 2015

[@melonpeach9723]

camren being half of why Fifth Harmony got popular in the first place baffles me. like, before Worth It, most of their fandom was Camren stans or Camren fueled.

[@a.a677]

Winrina is the biggest ship on the girl group space, both by popularity poll ranking and number of fics written in the Korean fan fic space. Also inter-group ships are popular because companies themselves support it as it supports the group and makes fans more invested in the group (which means more content and merchandise will be bought and consumed). Capitalism is a hell of a thing.

[@dsibrbidll7752]

fans like to ship the most popular members like V and JK, Jennie and Lisa, Karina and Winter (in Aespa's case I also think that SM participate by making them interact more on camera which just helps the fans's narrative). In the west the most popular ofc is between Harry and Louis which by the way affected the group as a whole negatively. Also Laurin and Camila in Fifth Harmony. I find the most disgusting to be with male idols because fan girls really have like a parasocial relationship with those three members. My friend went to PSYCHOLOGIST because of her obsession with Taekook. She literally imagined having a threesome with them or something. So I tend to believe that those shippers imagine being with the two members at the same time or something like this.

[@angelrose4624]

ur friend imagined WHAT… 😀

[@ilovecatsz8888]

Inter group shipping is so so weird.Many old idols have said that before that these ships actually caused strains on their friendships with their members.Many of these ships sometimes even cause companies to force idols to stop interacting with each other.Since I’m a stay,I’ll give minsung as an example they’re close yeah but they clearly aren’t in a relationship 😭😭 I have acted this way with my friends and we had 0 feelings for each other. So for these “fans” to be saying this is so weird.Also the so called analysis videos are so weird like they literally say “omg they looked at each for a second they’re in love!” it’s like what are you talking about…

[@a.a677]

All shipping is weird then, don't specify inter group. If anything Outer group shipping is even more weird because it's forced lmao

[@ilovecatsz8888]

@@a.a677 I specified bc skz are my ults and the inter group shippers are really bad so if you don’t like it then idc 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ inter group shipping is way weirder than outer group shippers bc outer group shippers have nothing to base their ships on so…

[@amorelockster1023]

@@a.a677either one is forced and disgusting

[@haimalissa8376]

@@ilovecatsz8888Which idols have said shipping has caused a strain to their friendship with the other members?

[@ilovecatsz8888]

@@haimalissa8376 peniel from btob and Ashley had said something about it.even though they were talking about being shipped together like outer group in the section of the podcast they were talking about shipping in general and how it causes an uncomfortable and awkward situation in between the members from the same group being shipped and or people from different groups being shipped together.Zico(soloist used to be in a group)and Yesung from super junior have said that they’ve come across the fans shipping them with their members have made them uncomfortable and sort of distant.On this same topic bts’s V once asked armies on weverse how he could sleep better and a taekook shipper told him “you can look at pictures of jungkook and that’ll help you sleep better” which he ended up replying “let those fantasies get out of your head it’s not good at all” meaning he feels uncomfortable with inter group shippers/shippers in general.A manager once confirmed that one of the idols they had worked with had said that they felt really uncomfortable when being shipped with members from their same group causing them to get distant.The manager didn’t say who this idol was due to privacy reasons and so controversies wouldn’t be caused

[@user-dh2jl6fe3h]

''my frontal lobe is developing'' hahaha I wish every kpop ship stan had this much self awareness

[@joythekyojin7880]

Have u seen minsungers? They genuinely scare me it’s crazy how they’ll warp ONE normal interaction and turn it into something way off

[@n3wjeanS2117]

fr like they bring minsung into everything when the video / short isn't even about minsung. I do like minhos and hans friendship but the shippers ruined it for me

[@stayinneverland]

same with hyunlix shippers 💀💀

[@joythekyojin7880]

@@n3wjeanS2117 exactly

[@WakaaChan]

Lee know and jisung walks together at the airport and minsungers be thinking they're lawfully wedded husbands

[@dontcrosstheline-skz-oneus]

i hate them as a very big stay also they attack if lk is interacting with other members like come get your man or someone is sleeping on couch like seriously

[@Stay_Zerose]

My thoughts are that intergroup ships is lowkey stupid, because people try and pull the "Well they can't be caught dating outside the group" as though the potential of a break up wouldn't be a massive deterrent itself, just imagine you are dating someone, break up with them and then you have to not only continue working with them, but also show physical intimacy and cute moments with them for the fans and if that weren't enough you have to then go home together and potentially even share a room. Like how awkward would this be.

[@Stay.2022.]

The thing about looking at interactions where idols were acting gay is that its very common for straight ppl to act gay with friends.

[@ilnslk]

when i start staning blackpink i though that jenlisa was real because of the ship , like fr when i was asking to other blink in the comments section of edits about them they were all like "yes they are" and i was so confuse that i had to searsh on google to know about all that shipping things, because i was starting kpop and i didn't know anythings about the fanservices, shippers, and all thtat kind of things

[@kunological]

im mlm so i feel like a have a perspective thats a little different from yours i see that for the most part, a lot of "fujoshis" (mlm fetishisers) found themselves in kpop and decided to spread their fetish there and just project onto idols to them, mlm is a fantasy and seeing male idols just being close to each other must mean that they're dating. it's basically just applying hetenormative ideals onto them. they tease each other and are close? they cant be friends, they must be dating!!! (sarcasm) its really out of stubbornness in comprehending the complexities that come along queer identities or just overall, the concept of romance and the way relationships differ from a couple to another no matter the genders implied in said relationship. it's just a very toxic way to approach love and relationships as a whole but they find themselves in an echo chamber normalizing their fetish and get defensive when you call them out for it just observe the way society imposes gender norms onto us, compare it to those fetishisers' weird ass shit and you won't stop seeing the stereotypes they push onto idols and just the really weird way they view gay men as a whole were humans too, not a spectacle and so are idols not an army anymore but i remember how jin once talked about disliking more fem nicknames being attributed to him and since those weird shippers were the majority of the fandom at the time, they just ignored him and kept pushing the "wife" ideal onto him could also be that they'd rather have them date each other than other people but who knows really, the controversial existence of "yaoi" and the way it's consumed is worth looking into it because it does dehumanize mlm rs and minimizes them to fantasies (unless were talking about bl made by my mlm men for mlm audiences, it's not that black and white either so you dont have to be mlm to portray that experience with respect and care) its just weird, idrk how to put my thoughts into words but i just felt like sharing my perspective as a guy who's.. well gay and in a rs lol, quite lengthy but ill just leave this here

[@sonyoung127]

when i first came arround this ship community i thought it was about being besties so i used to ship too then i came to know that its not being bestie but as a romantic relation shiip .. i just wanna say " it is not ouyr place to say if the 2 individuals of the same group are dating or not, its ok to have confusion but not more han that u dont know if they are straight or not"

[@sonyoung127]

ignore the spelling mistakes im using a laptop

[@Linotaengoo]

I myself was "shipped" with a mutual friend by my friend group. I can not begin to explain how uncormfortable it was. Especially with me just coming out to said friends about being into girls as a girl. So I honestly just get upset when I see shipping between two human beings that didn't ask for it. I wish people could just appreciate friendship, because best friends can be as important and wholesome as a romantic relationship.

[@rainbowsubs2]

Ngl shipping real people with each other and especially people from the same group is quite deranged imo(unless its a joke ig) but at the same time lets not act like a lot of these idols dont feed into it with constantly queer-baiting. But at the end of the day fan service and para social relationships is how companies and idols make money😖

[@berryshortcakee]

this topic is something i’ve always been curious about

[@Chaestial]

Honestly its not a big deal for me. Sometimes i watch videos with titles "___ moments" because i just find it cute, and sometimes i even read fanfictions on wattpad because its genuinely fun (and hear me out some of them are actually good, like those that arent smut) but what suprises me is that some ppl actually think these ppl are together😭

[@almariaghern1876]

Actually, Blackpink's biggest and most annoying shippers are Jenlisas (Jennie+Lisa). They are the ones who are always harassing the girl's friends or rumored boyfriends, to the point that even one of Jennie's friends had to delete a post of them together because some blinks theorized that they were dating, and of course, Jenlisas went to attack the poor girl. The big assumption that Blinks has about Rosé is that she is a lesbian who hates men (like Irene)... And if that end up being a false assumption, I know damn well that the Blinks will react like Mys did with Karina...

[@maxadamdor]

PLEASE.STOP.SHIPPING.ON.ANY.MATTER. my fckin god how i hate this topic. i mean look at the ships that got ruined, there are too many and it’s increasing. as an engene, in our fandom on 2024 sunsun is getting worser and worser every single day..

[@Linayluvnj]

I love you so much for covering all of these issues in kpop!!

[@twofacedmiku]

Wouldn’t yves and chuu be the biggest girl group ship? I mean they were know as the richest lesbian couple at some point

[@RoyaleMusical]

they’re actually canon so yeah probably

[@suzumi111]

@@RoyaleMusicalthe heck you mean canon these are real people

[@RoyaleMusical]

@@suzumi111 yes and? their whole lore is literally them being gay. chuuves is a rare occasion where it’s practically a running joke and they’re both ok with it. they’re the worlds richest lesbian couple ffs

[@orbitsomnia]

​​​​​​@@RoyaleMusical lore is fictional, yves and chuu arent fictional characters they are real people, we know they support LGBTQ community and are ok with the orbit memes but they cant be a "canon ship" irl

[@RoyaleMusical]

@@orbitsomnia ik im joking omg y’all take everything so serious 😭

[@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub]

I sometimes ship people in my head for fun/joke because I love a duo like MoonSun and MinSung but like making content about them and that being so explicit too is soooo weird like even IF you knew for a fact, even if they said it that they were dating or whatever still making explicit fanfics and edits about real people is so disgusting

[@_dalbit]

I was a delulu jenlisa shipper in 2018-2019

[@Won_core]

😟 Hopefully you've changed 😅

[@InkPages]

the "analysing every interaction" people are so strange to me, stay in your fucking lane people. like, i watch a lot of those "cut for comic relief" videos, and sometimes they throw something in, that makes me go "huh? what do you mean to imply by that?"

[@felipe21994]

When the Karina dating "scandal" happened I was on twitter and I thought that guys were going to go ape shit and start to bash her and things like that, but not even one of them did, not even the weird ones that sometimes pop out said something about her other that she could do better and that, seriously I was waiting them to post images of burning CD's or photos like they did when Irene read a feminist book, instead the ones that did were the girls, a lot of the, were cursing on Karina for "being straight" and for "lying to them and to Winter" and most of them were serious and I saw a couple of burning photos images and "I'm not going to support Karina anymore" signs, even some girl from OMG did post something like that, so it shows that the delulus are everywhere. Also about the Shipping culture and your questions: K-pop (at least most groups) is marketed towards women, more specifically young girls and even children, so they tend to follow the things they want and feel confortable, boy that are not super masculine but soft and have child like features and apparencies (this happens with all boy bands at the point in SpongeBob there's the joke group boys that cry or the Simpsons has the "non threatening boys magazine" ), so that's why K-pop has no violence or sex (there's sexy concepts that are not marketed to them, closest thing is sexy empowered concepts and a lot of implicit things but not anything clear or direct) the prefer girls they consider pretty to emulate them or that they could have the fantasy of being close, being "friends" with and being in the group, IVE is the group that markets like that the most, and ILLIT too. But they prefer boy groups overwhelmly and that's why they make more (5th gen is the first gen that kind of broke that pattern but boy groups make more money overall) and well females in general are more empathetic and they tend to put themselves in the position of the people they read, watch and hear about, so male (or same sex in general) shipping is a "safe" outlet for those fantasies, as they put in the shoes of the characters or idols they like and fanaticize about the things they want to live, things they read or write about.

[@SM-ky6pb]

I really find it baffling how the winrina shippers reacted to the dating news. I didn't find them serious with the ship to begin with so when they hated Karina for dating a man I was honestly surprised they took it that far. I saw people mentioning how Winter must've been "crying at the corner" when someone posted about this dating news when in reality she probably fully supported them. Some of them are probably jokes but it gets really annoying when it's repeated over and over again

[@ReimiReYY]

I agree with this so much but i would also add how important it is that many times companies also push this kind of shippy narratives between members which also kinda instigates and allows the fandoms to continue this kind of behaviours. In my opinion, as long as the idols themselves are alright with it and also have some say in whether they gon do it or not i don't really care. The fact is that i've seen so many of these artists get uncomfy with this kind of behaviours which is something important and kinda gets exacerbated by the fans behaviours. I personally just like my members to interact in any way, i don't really like thinking much of it. And if i've ever "shipped" them, it is never that serious, i'm always just joking around. I guess what i wanna say is don't take it too seriously and remember that they are real people with real feelings, just like all of us, so those kind of behaviours can really affect the real friendships (or if ever, relationships, whtver) that they have with their members.

[@lala-kiki]

...Repeat after me: Inter- means "between" and intra- means "in" which makes this video about intragroup shipping, not intergroup shipping! No hate btw but I genuinely thought you were going to talk about people who ship members from different groups until I looked at the thumbnail more carefully.

[@NatashaLkim]

The title is supposed to mean I’m talking about ships from multiple groups 😭 I can’t remember if I made the mistake of saying “intergroup” in the video but that’s what I meant about it~ tbh it might still be the wrong way to phrase it but I didn’t know what to title the video

[@TraderJoe888]

There have been serious studies done about this phenomena, where they have listed the typical ships, like the most popular ship within a group is between the 2 most attractive and/or popular members of the group. Just FYI, Chaelisa shippers are nothing compared to JenLisa shippers, especially in 2019/2020. JenLisa KZbin videos seemed to take up a large percentage of Blink content on KZbin. And personally speaking, there was a tremendous amount of suspicious off-camera footage (when they didn't think there was a camera on them, but there was one). Even on vLives, there were times Jisoo had to pry them apart. There was a lot of video material for shippers to work with. Just type JenLisa off-camera and fanfic on KZbin, there is a crazy amount of it. Not saying it was real, but there was a lot of smoke in the vicinity. So you had to wonder if there was a fire.

[@user-bc7bb8fl6f]

Can't say I agree with you 100% of the time, but your videos are very interesting. Simple and well-done. Please, keep' em coming.

[@lotuskeksic]

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[@TypicalFanC]

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[@ilsfy_]

for the boygroups this is my speculation, i genuinely think it stems from the fact the fans know they wont be able to have a real relationship with the members therefore the only thing they'll settle for is or resort to is shipping the members, this is entirely from the newer gen stans ive noticed because older stans shipped members from other groups together (not to say they didnt also ship members) im not against the lgbtq in any way but i genuinely think its because these fans are so young and cant handle their idols or want to see them in relationships other than this. other than that i definitely think the companies are aware of this and profit of selling this other fantasy to fans, isnt that the whole idea of kpop though? selling a fantasy to fans lmaooo, i mainly think its their companies trying to reach all kinds of fans and reach all audiences, i digress

[@Hanni._.Bubblegum.]

What's even weirder is that we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Meaning, sure your faves like each other, ON CAMERA, but do you know what they do OFF CAMERA? No. Not me, nor you, nor anyone in the fandom know what goes on behind closed doors (Unless said idol speaks out)

[@SM-ky6pb]

I haven't finished the vid yet so idk if you mentioned this already but fans assuming an idol's sexuality is such a big problem when it comes to shipping these idols. It's ok if it's done in a joking way or a non-serious manner but some fans are really serious about it (e.g. the winrina situation) and they get disappointed or even mad when an idol dates someone or interacts with someone other than the one they're shipping them with. These fans would label idols gay and when they turn out not to be, they call it queerbaiting. They throw that word around carelessly when we should be focusing on actual queerbaiting! These fans are deceiving themselves. We don't know these idols personally and we are not qualified to talk about their sexuality as if we are sure about it. This can make idols really uncomfortable and people don't realize how unsettling it can be for every move of yours to be analyzed by crazy strangers who think that you're in love with your members. Again, I think it's fine if they don't take the ship seriously or if it's platonic. They could be gay but who are we to talk about it? This is just the "women and men can't be friends" problem all over again but with a different formula. Edit: unrelated but has anyone told you that you kinda look like vernon's sister? Lol idk if my eyes are deceiving me but you have similarities

[@Nory86]

I’ve been eating up ur content lately, can’t wait for u to get bigger!!!

[@TheRyno525]

It's Ironic how there is certain "community" who is constantly crying and demanding people to respect and address them the way they want, while at the same time shipping people who has never spoke about their sexual preference, they are trying to force their own sexuality on the people they ship. I recommend therapy or other means of help.

[@misa_mellow]

moonsun…💀

[@su_zuki_2310]

8:37 let's not talk about fanatic JenLisa shippers hating on Frederic for allegedly dating Lisa =D And even mocking Lisa's taste in men and face shaming Frederic.. Some of them say they're just joking about it and they respect Lisa and her choices but even considering at as just a joke, i find it really mean

[@ji377]

I'm sure some of them are really hating because they really think that Jenlusa is real

[@su_zuki_2310]

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[@su_zuki_2310]

This is unrelated and idk if anyone has ever told you this.. But to me, you give Charlie aka Moist Critikal vibes (one of my fav youtubers he's the g.o.a.t himself)...but female and gen z. From how your videos have simple editing, and you don't have fancy recording tools and background, to the way you speak and how closely and rationally you observe and analyse stuff..it really gives me those vibes. Idk if it's a good thing to compare a creator with another one and if it makes a creator feel less special or not, but rn my intention is complimenting and i just wanted to say that i like the simple style of your videos and how straight to the point you are, and you yourself sound like a logical, nice and funny person ^^💓

[@kippie2414]

When I was new to k-pop i GENUINELY thought Karina and Winter were dating bc of how many people were talking about them😭

[@a.a677]

Lmao well Karina and Winter don't make it any easier either with how they act with each other 😂

[@suzumi111]

@@a.a677a lot of straight women act this way with their friends how is this gay

[@cinnamaricat]

i know i'm 3 weeks late watching this but i still wanna see if we share the same opinion on why boy groups have more intergroup shipping (as a former bg stan who's now a gg stan) there's a massive female audience for a lot of bgs and i notice a lot of the time it's the female fans (bts army being the best example) who ship them and i have 2 thoughts on this the first is straight/bi fans fetishizing gay relationships (mostly straight fans but i will give benefit of the doubt bc with that many fans surely not all are straight btw i'm bi as an umbrella) and the second coming from my own experience is comphet or just wanting representation (this coming completely from lgbt stans with comphet specifically being a lesbian/sapphic in general thing) basically i remember trying to convince myself then even tho i knew i liked women that i liked men more and i will admit i even wrote some of those cringey bts fanfics bc i wanted to convince myself it was cute/hot and i know i'm not alone in that (i ended up realizing i'm a lesbian last year it took me 7 years knowing i'm queer to accept it abd i feel much better) but some of it like the more tame side i have no doubt it comes from wanting representation but those stans specifically don't get upset when their faves aren't gay ofc and are the ones least likely to write hardcore fics from my experience and then when you see the gg side of things there's a lot more male stans (but also still plenty of female stans) and the ones who are gay are more comfortable in their sexuality generally speaking and bc of that there's less projection onto the idols and ofc there's still going to be those straight men who fetishize sapphic relationships but there's nowhere near as much of them but you do still see it in bigger fanbases like blackpink and aespa i haven't really seen it in mid-tier/nugu gg fandoms but still see it with bgs on mid-tier not sure about nugu bgs another thing i think could be a contributing factor is when you see 2 guys together and they do anything so much as hug there's ppl who think they're gay and then 2 women could be literally kissing on the mouth and those same ppl will go "oh how cute they're besties" (yes this is very common we even have comics written about it that are shared in lgbt spaces with sapphics going "yup i've been there") so i wonder if that carries over to kpop that much those are my thoughts coming from my experiences so now imma unpause the video and see if you have the same opinion or if i overlooked smth edit: i didn't get into kpop through anime so i overlooked the bl stuff i'm actually the reverse just now dipping my toes into anime after listening to kpop since high school (i'm 24 now) but now that you mention it i see it edit 2: your second reason does go along with what i said in my comment tbh the whole not wanting to lose the idol so you ship them with another member goes along with the gay fetishization bc it's still straight stans shipping 2 members together bc they like the members and would rather see them together than with someone of the same gender as the fan and if you throw on top of that comphet you have sapphic stans do the same thing bc they don't want to accept their sexuality bc it gets drilled in our heads from an early age "you need to marry a man when you grow up and you need to be a good wife" and accepting yourself being different is hard so i do give grace to not only minors doing this stuff but potential sapphics as well aside from that now that i'm older i think this shit is weird

[@mariashoe1538]

Fans out here trying to deny ships....and there's Stray Kids making gay dating shows. love them🥰

[@stayinneverland]

But see, that's just marketing. They know the shipping exists so they capitalize on it, just like YG took profit on the hate Jennie got to push her to have her solo debut first, because that made money (Not trying to hate or anything)

[@mariashoe1538]

@@stayinneverland lol...thats my point. Rather then deny that its for the fans , they openly lean into it, exaggerating it to the point that its acknowledged by both sides

[@stayinneverland]

@@mariashoe1538 ohh, I misunderstood you then, I thought you were saying they were confirming they were dating lol

[@laeticialana]

Honestly, I see that this can be a little messed up now but I also understand that a very few amount of ships are stronger due to other reasons. For example, the JinLia ship is really strong because they revealed themselves that they wanted to date each other back in their trainee days but couldn't due to their company's rules.

[@kyujinisbae]

Hey I love your content I just wanted to ask what editing platform do you use❤

[@kazuhasgloves]

I don't even go that far, tbh.

[@berthathebeluga3517]

this is kinda irrelevant but its intragroup for within a group, intergroup is between different groups love the video tho 🙏👍

[@Wonycious]

Hai

[@æspa_1111]

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[@princessm6832]

She's talking

[@nicatina]

As a sapphic who once in the closet in high school but got shipped with a guy I had no interest in because they think we will "LOOK CUTE" together no other reasons when I asked them why, meaning it doesn't matter how our dynamics works as long as we're two relatively good looking m/f couple becoming a thing. heteronormativity effed people like me up. I hate being shipped in real life. I also understand why because it'll be cool to have more openly queer couples in the Kpop industry, but shipping members together that never confirmed they're dating is no way to go through life.