Interstate 84 Idaho and Utah

[@miked31784]

I can’t wait for next week! Your first trip into Connecticut, Massachusetts and New England. That 84 I have been on for the whole distance. Also will be your first junction with 91!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Will be cool!

[@miked31784]

@@ControlCityFreak I also like 84 because I was born in 1984 and have gone on that highway several times in my life to get from Hartford to avoid NYC especially with my parents camper. You will see NBC CT on the side of the road when you travel on it in New Britain. 84 from 15 to 90 was once signed as 86 because of 84 planned to go through Providence. It was canceled and 86 was renumbered back to 84 and 84 renumbered to 384. But I will not steal your thunder and can’t wait for the video! Thanks!

[@tylermarchand2996]

Mike DiMauro I drove on I 91 from Springfield to I 93 during my cross country road trip last summer. It’s actually a fun ride as the highway rises and falls along the cliffs near the Connecticut River. Plus, I think there are even points where the local roads run in the freeway median. Out west along the Sierra Nevada mountains, I’m not used to seeing so much green in July…

[@LeviRamsey]

@@ControlCityFreak Just be ready for all the left exits and ghost ramps in Connecticut. Depending on how recently Street View has updated, we might also be in for the longest continuous run thus far of sequential exit numbering (NY went to mileage on its stretch in 2019 and MA in 2021)?

[@markwilson4078]

@@LeviRamsey Oh definitely! We in Connecticut have quite a few of them regardless of which expressway you take. Most of them are pretty sensible, so it’s not something I really complain about. Does make maneuvering to your exit a bit of a bitch though.

[@tylermarchand2996]

I think Nampa is prioritized because it’s urban sprawl doesn’t quite reach to Boise, and it’s big enough to be a decent sized population center in its own right. Other such examples I can think of include Woodland and Davis to Sacramento; Hazleton to the heart of the Wyoming Valley (like it or not, it is a subsection of Scranton-Wilkes-Barre); Frederick, Waldorf and Fredericksburg to Washington; and Lancaster-Palmdale to Los Angeles. The junction with U.S. 95 is pretty important, as it provides Boise with access to Lewiston northbound and Reno southbound. I think that’s why Ontario (only 3 miles away) is stressed; I recall two consecutive Christmases where either bad weather or abrupt departures from visiting family in SE Washington necessitated utilizing Ontario as a rest area, since Reno is still 6 hours away. As for personal additions, the only one I can think of would be along 15N/84W: have something for U.S. 89/91 N to Logan (Utah State University).

[@daniellilienkamp5202]

I just drove the entire length of the I-84 this past week. The entire route was both interesting and beautiful.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Awesome!

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

I-84 Western in the last miles in Utah looks very scenic, even though it's literally in the western edge of the Rockies. Don't give me wrong. SLC, Odgen UT and Provo UT are also Rocky Mountains cities.

[@cdc3]

Yesterday afternoon, a semi accident on 84 virtually shut Boise, Meridian, Nampa and Kuna down at quitting time. It is an Achille's Heel of commerce around here.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Oh wow, that's rough

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Also as a Northern Utahn, Snowville is the junction we use to get from Ogden and Logan areas to out west, and the highway we used for that is signed Elko because we are not familiar with Oasis, NV. Does anyone actually live there? My mom once had to drive from CA through Wendover because she was running out of gas and there are no gas stations between Wells and Snowville. Also Twin Falls means more to us than Boise because Twin Falls is in the “Mormon corridor”

[@kf1000]

I drove I-84 back and forth, end-to-end, several times per year, from my place in Portland, to my family home in Northern Utah. Memorized every sign.

[@drivingbritt9617]

Thanks for making this video Todd! You have yet again brought more awesome memories back to me! I remember travelling with my mom to Astoria, OR back in 2015 and we rode almost the entire length of I-84, from Ogden, UT to Portland, OR, both westbound and eastbound. Along the way our car broke down in Mtn Home, ID and we were stranded there for 2 weeks while the car was getting fixed, and it was the best two weeks of our lives. We walked ALL around that town like you wouldn't believe, it had a beautiful view of the mountains nearby, and it was snowing there, it was awesome. If anyone is passing thru Mtn Home, I would recommend staying at the Highlander Motel in town and spend AT LEAST a few days there, walking around the town checking out its different stores and restaurants, and meeting some of the nicest, friendliest people you will ever meet, you will love it there. :)

[@ControlCityFreak]

Awesome, that sounds like a pretty serendipitous breakdown!

[@drivingbritt9617]

@@ControlCityFreak It sure was. So much so that I want to go back there again someday.

[@Doooder2]

@@ControlCityFreak can u do a reboot of i15?

[@Doooder2]

like after eastern i84

[@mikeshumaker]

I did like the retro signs at the I-80/I-84 junction westbound for San Francisco and Portland. However, nowadays, I wish that sign would at least have I-84 signed for Ogden AND Boise, since Boise is a rapidly growing area and the best known city before you reach the West Coast.

[@samseddmedia]

Definitely sign Boise on I-84 Westbound.

[@benjaminchandler7919]

7:40 what control city should be on this sign? It’s too early to start signing Boise. I’m not sure if the right pick is Logan or Idaho Falls

[@brucetelfeyan]

Terrific video. It makes me want to head out to Idaho on I-84. Also, I'm pumped up to visit Snowville, UT!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks! I enjoyed driving it, but I have no recollection of actually being in Snowville. I wish I’d been paying closer attention lol

[@brianmiddleton2956]

Snowville is the Limon of Utah

[@ControlCityFreak]

Nah, I think it’s just at that one interchange. Limon is everywhere

[@mxderate]

I can understand it being at just one interchange. Limon is everywhere

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Nope, that would be Brigham City

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Can't wait for next week. PA is going to be fun as always

[@briancatanzaro6053]

Great video. I definitely like western I-84. (I watched the I-84 videos several times to get the feel of it.)

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@tomstoeckle733]

Love your videos and attention to detail. I drive I-84 when we moved from Topeka to Seattle (january 1999) Remember buying gas in Snowville Utah for 79.9. Also remember a huge whiteout while driving 84 in southern Idaho. A white knuckle experience.

[@ControlCityFreak]

I drove Lawrence to Seattle in February 1998, not too far off!

[@BlaineK]

The 184/84 interchange is baffling, but I don't think it is helped by the fact that there are two exits (Franklin Rd to the south on 84, and Cole Road to the east on 184). It is split in part on the 184 split due to the fact that ITD chose to separate the onramp from Cole Road onto 84 from the main lanes. The control city signage? Nampa is probably okay (though Portland/Seattle would be preferable), but Mountain Home makes no sense.

[@JAldrich73]

I used to work in Boise, and the reason they have different control cities in different lanes in the Boise/Treasure Valley area is that they encourage thru traffic to stay in the left lane and leave the right lanes for local traffic.

[@jbillma]

Any thoughts to doing a "best" and "worst" control cities after the 2 digit interstates are complete? My vote for one of the worst would be Snowville, while for best I have to go with the I-80 East to New York City just outside Youngstown, Ohio. (Of course, being from a town just outside Youngstown, I could be biased. 🙂)

[@choporchubbzda1]

Idahome should be the only control city on I-84, that’s how perfect it is. Then I guess Portland if we have to

[@ControlCityFreak]

Lol

[@alexjones3511]

Bad news is that we gotta go back to Pennsylvania again for I-84 Eastern. But the good news is we’ll finally be going into New England for the first time - Connecticut and Massachusetts.

[@Arthur-dl2co]

Mitford, Pa. may be "the Limon of the east", but it is a nice small town. JFK visited there in September 1963, two months before he was assassinated.

[@dcarlone2699]

First time we’ll be in my part of NY too.

[@mxderate]

@@Arthur-dl2co Other than Milford, 84 is signed pretty well.

[@skipabby]

@@mxderate I agree. In fact after the Lord's Valley exit, Port Jervis. NY (my HS alma mater) appears as the bottom control city below Milford. Middletown and Newburgh appear after NY Exit 1. I-85/95 JCT at Petersburg is the first time I st

[@skipabby]

started noticing control cities.

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Glad to hear you pronounce Pocatello correctly. For when you do the I-86 video, the Pocatello suburb it ends in is pronounced Chubb-ick. The second u makes a short I sound because here in the west we enunciate nothing, except apparently Tree-Mon-tin

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@cometthemountainlion181]

Would love to see a football tournament between Snowville vs. Limon vs. Gadsden vs. Breezewood.

[@newflyer2198]

Don't forget Pascagoula

[@mxderate]

Lyman too

[@kevinrussell3501]

I would throw in Gravette (AR), a town I never heard of until the Bella Vista Bypass opened on I-49. I've been living in the 4 states region for something like 9 years, less than an hour away, and next year I will be 20 years driving truck. I had no idea about Gravette lol

[@benjaminchandler7919]

About Elko signage on Utah Hwy 30, we also have a state highway for Pocatello even though it doesn’t quite make it there. The highway I’m referring to is 23, which connects a bunch of farm towns on the west side of the Logan metro. Said highway loses its designation as a state route at the Idaho border but is known as the West Side Highway until it reaches US 91 which takes you to Pokey. I think the first major city on the interstate the state highway is taking you to is the correct way to sign both these highways, because I have used them to get to those interstates and then driven beyond those cities, and there are not much better places to sign anyway. Signage for farm towns with less than a thousand people would not be helpful to us. Also, Elko is bigger than Brigham City

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Yes it’s only by 1,000 people but those 1,000 people make the difference between under and over 20,000. I realize I spend a lot of time defending Elko signage. No, I’m not from there. The reason is because it’s the closest place people have heard of to the US 93 junction, and thus makes sense when going there is the fastest way to Vegas and Twin

[@georgemoore2952]

One thing that should also be noted about Twin Falls, ID is that I-84 doesn't really go there; it passes to the north through Jerome. The US-93 bridge over the Snake River that gets you between I-84 and Twin Falls is cool, however. That being said, Twin Falls is by far the largest city between Ogden and Boise and has US-93, so it makes sense as a control city in both directions.

[@ControlCityFreak]

True

[@tylermarchand2996]

I probably should have mentioned this in the previous video, but you missed an opportunity for a good street view panorama, with the U.S. 93 bridge over the Snake River. 500 feet high, and popular for BASE jumpers. Drove on it to and from an August 2019 trip to Yellowstone.

[@ControlCityFreak]

@@tylermarchand2996 Sounds cool!

[@mark99k]

This type of comment, that an interstate signed for a city doesn't actually go into it, recurs often but is rather pointless. MANY interstates don't enter the cities they're signed for, because doing so would be needlessly destructive to urbanized areas. Intelligent planners know this, and many of the newest interstates are in fact deliberately routed so as to connect, but not enter, the cities along their routes. Or they enter only the city's most peripheral territory. Or they originally skirted the city but the city limits expanded later.

[@benjaminchandler7919]

@@ControlCityFreakyou’ll make a US 93 video that includes it someday, won’t you? If you do, I do have other exit requests

[@langstonreese7077]

Theirs also I-84 in NE part of the US for example: I-84 is in Connecticut (just in case u forgot) (;

[@ControlCityFreak]

I’m aware.

[@ivanoffw]

It's nice how the previous video was of I-84 over the exotic terranes of Oregon, and this video is of I-84 over the craton of North America.

[@bagenstb]

And that's the last time we'll be in Utah, marking the 19th state Todd has completed (barring fun surprises like 3dis.) Here's the full list for anyone curious: Completed (19): AR, AZ, CA, CO, IA, KS, KY, LA, MO, MS, NE, NM, NV, OK, OR, TN, TX, UT, WV States he's started but not yet completed (22): AL, FL, GA, ID, IL, IN, MD, MI, MN, MT, NC, ND, NJ, NY, OH, PA, SC, SD, VA, WA, WI, WY States he hasn't started yet (9): AK, CT, DE, HI, MA, ME, NH, RI, VT Another way to put "states he hasn't started yet" is to say he hasn't started New England, Delaware, Alaska, or Hawaii. But that will change next week when the other I-84 video drops and we enter CT & MA for the first time!

[@mxderate]

I'm surprised it's only 19. We are 4/5 through the Interstate system.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Awesome!

[@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2]

Is the interstate 85 video two parts,due to thanksgiving.

[@markwilson4078]

Nicely done! I guess to expand on that list (not counting Alaska and Hawaii), these would be the first and last interstates of each state: AL: 10, 85 AR: 30, 69 AZ: 8, 40 CA: 5, 80 CO: 25, 76 CT: 84, 95 DE: Just 95 FL: 4, 95 GA: 16, 95 ID: 15, 90 IL: 24, 94 IN: 64?, 94 IA: 29, 80 KS: 35, 70 KY: 24, 75 LA: 10, 69 ME: Just 95 I think? MD: 66, 97 MA: 84, 95 MI: 69, 96 (very nice!) MN: 35, 94 MS: 10, 59 MO: 29, 72 MT: 15, 94 NE: 76, 80 NM: 10, 40 NV: 11, 80 NC: 26, 95 ND: 29, 94 NJ: 76, 95 NY: 78, 99 NH: 89, 95 OH: 70, 90 OK: 35, 44 (well that one didn’t last long lol) OR: 5, 84 PA: 70, 99 (aka the bane of the rest of your existence) RI: Just 95 SC: 20, 95 SD: 29, 90 TN: 24, 81 TX: 2, 69 UT: 15, 84 VT: 89, 93 VA: 64, 95 WA: 5, 90 WV: 64, 81 WI: 39, 94 WY: 25, 90 Feel free to correct me on any that are wrong I guess Edit: NY corrected from 95 to 99

[@ReallyBadDriving]

@@markwilson4078 part of I-99 goes to New York

[@damienredd9068]

Love the scenery and beautiful view from here on your channel

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@fungamer2817]

The reason for the overhead signs being so weird at the end of I-184 is that there is a major on-ramp from Franklin and Milwaukee STs and they didn’t want traffic crisscrossing over each other in that quarter mile of road.

[@caseycrookham3647]

Exactly 2817! Those signs are geared for the local and commuter folks just trying to get to I-84.

[@danangell5482]

Only changes I'd make to the list at the end is that I'd sign Twin Falls/Boise instead of just Boise from I-15 until Twin. From Twin, sign just Boise. The other change is that I would sign Nampa from Boise until reaching Nampa and then sign Portland, given how quickly Nampa is growing.

[@mxderate]

Yeah but Nampa is also a suburb.

[@Suralin0]

Back to PA next week, eh? ;) I drove the eastern half of (east) I-84 about a month ago. It's smoother now that most of the construction is finally over and done with; my 2016 attempt to get through it around Waterbury was horrendous. 'Course, Hartford traffic is pretty horrendous regardless. But at least I found a pretty good diner in East Hartford as a result. (The challah-bread french toast is a must.)

[@benjaminchandler7919]

9:15 Those are just the next cities. Also I think the mileage signs 13 miles south of Brigham should say “Brigham City, Tremonton, Logan”

[@Tri-StarTN]

I’d just sign Salt Lake City from the 184 split in Boise

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

Last week, I was expecting I-84 Eastern at first, but that's for next week. On that week, you started I-84 Western but in the Oregon part only, but why would you split I-84 Western videos into 2 parts instead of making it 1 part? Also, I'm hoping to hear abour I-84 Eastern next week and that will mark the 1st time to see New England. Also note that I-84 Eastern connects Dunmore, PA near Scranton, PA to the west and Sturbridge, MA near Worcester, MA to the east.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Because I didn’t want to make a 28 minute video

[@ronnybeech292]

They need “Nampa” in the far right line (in addition to the left, where it sandwiches Mtn. Home) or else west / Nampa bound drivers entering the freeway from Franklin would have to quickly merge left over several lanes of traffic.

[@DEEJAY440]

My Control Cities for I-84 East: The Dalles Boise Twin Falls Ogden / Salt Lake City Cheyenne West: Ogden Twin Falls / Boise Boise Portland

[@mark99k]

The speed limit reduction at the Oregon-Idaho border used to be even a bigger change (80 to 65), and the warning about it on the Idaho side was a bit more...urgent. We always said it reflected the vaguely opposite personalities of the 2 states.

[@drivingbritt9617]

Thankfully in Oregon they raised the speed limit to 70.

[@mark99k]

@@drivingbritt9617 Yeah, about 5 years ago. Idaho's warning signs there always felt odd -- the roadway's design didn't seem different. The signs have apparently now been removed, although a 10mph change isn't trivial.

[@Nemofishman]

March 2016 they changed it, just DAYS before we went to Blanchard to see our grandfather, though has since died (though was 91 at death in July 2021). Used I-84 from Portland to the 82 junction. Same with in 2020, needing to move stuff out of the house since he had to go to a care home, though used a rental (Dodge Grand Caravan) since our old 02 F-250 SD needed a new engine (we now have a 2019 Ford Expedition MAX)

[@gusterposey]

I love these videos, I've driven every bit of I-84 except from I-86 to the turnoff for the Golden Spike in Corrine/Brigham City, but based on this I'm not missing much outside of some mountains. Note: I've always heard The Dalles pronounced as "The Dallz" with just a long L sound

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@benjaminchandler7919]

I still think that the control city from Riverdale to Brigham should be Logan. I also think that the central section of 30 from the outskirts of Tremonton to Logan should be an off branch of 84

[@benjaminchandler7919]

I know it doesn’t go all the way to 84, but it should. 91’s the better way to I-15 unless you are going to Tremonton or Malad, but people go to Tremonton to get to Westbound 84. Also the control city should be “Twin Falls/Boise”

[@samseddmedia]

I still can't wait until you get to I-85, my favorite Interstate of all time!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be cool!

[@MrShortWhiteGuy]

Todd, first of all I love your videos. With western I-84, many of the exits are in very rural areas that only serve a local community. I'm thinking those people use I-84 just to get to the next village to the nearest supermarket. I'm thinking major highways like U.S. 93 or U.S. 20 should be signed for the big cities at their junctions with I-84, but the back roads to nowhere, the next town is okay at their junction with I-84. Not sure which is which in your video.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks! And good points.

[@jayayebee]

The double control cities thing looks almost like they're trying to highlight a nearby city in the right lanes and a remote city in the left lanes? You see this kind of thing more often with local exits vs through traffic, but it's not making as much sense for me here.

[@roadgeek1961]

I 84 we said goodbye to Oregon last week. Revisiting Idaho this week and Revisiting and saying goodbye to Utah. It makes more sense if understand I 84 was Suffix route I 84 N. Going back to starting point just outside of New York City in Fort Lee ,New Jersey to near Delaware River gap basically following US 46. Pa / Jersey line to the Cleveland area basically goes its own way. Cleveland area to Hastings Nebraska basically follows US 6. Grand Island Nebraska to Western Wyoming follows I 30 . Just East of Salt Lake City to San Francisco it follows the current and original US 40 corridor. I 84 somewhat follows US 30 and reestablish a connection when it connects with I 86.. Talk about the US route 6 and its connection with Eastern I 84.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Edwin Paschke One more foray through Idaho to go, and it’s through the state’s second largest urban area. Prepare for amazing mountain vistas when we get to I 90 through CDA…

[@williamhewitt4748]

Finally my home interstate next week

[@MotorsportsNation]

I liked when it was just east and west or north and south videos

[@lancehammons5918]

Reason for Evanston is due to the one way to Yellowstone/Grand Teton and the port of entry into Wyoming

[@alonzolane1092]

How was the food

[@OJGamingYT]

I disagree with your signage ideas. Portland would not be signed at all for a long time because in Idaho that is still 500-600 miles away. It's meant to show what's closing in - and with GPS's now a days I think people know Portland is on the way.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Counterpoint: with GPS they’d also know where La Grande et al are too. If anything, nav systems make signing random wide spots in the road as primaries less useful and major long distance cities more useful than before.

[@highway2heaven91]

My way it should be: East: The Dalles (Secondary) Ontario (Secondary) Boise Twin Falls Pocatello/Ogden Ogden Cheyenne West: Ogden Twin Falls (Secondary) Boise Nampa (Secondary) Pendleton (Secondary) Portland SLC and Seattle should definitely be listed on mileage signs in Idaho/Utah and Oregon, respectively, but do not need to be listed on mileage signs (imo).

[@mxderate]

My brain hurts reading that last part. I also disagree with Ogden going EB. It should be Salt Lake City. It's WAY bigger.

[@highway2heaven91]

@@mxderate I was kinda back and forth on including SLC but ultimately decided against it mainly because anyone trying to get to 80 EB wouldn’t be going through ALC anyway so it doesn’t make sense to confuse them, but you could argue that since SLC is larger and closer there would probably be more traffic heading to SLC than to points farther East.

[@spellcast1391]

@@mxderate SLC is very big. Ogden js where 84 goes. It has the important junction with I-15 with Salt Lake City as the Southbound Control City(Utah usually does a good job signing). Albeit Cheyenne is a city in Wyoming, not Utah. Cheyenne is hyped up so much in Utah it’s weird Wyoming hates signing it

[@highway2heaven91]

@@spellcast1391 Wyoming usually likes to sign the next major town (similar to PA) so it decided to forget about Cheyenne until after Rock Springs. Utah likes to sign the next major city for the most part (Similar to AZ).

[@mxderate]

@@highway2heaven91 1. It won't confuse them. I-84 is not too far away from SLC, and almost everyone (especially people in northern Utah), knows SLC - point invalid 2. You said it yourself. SLC is a MUCH bigger traffic driver and WAY bigger than Cheyenne or any small town in between. 3. Los Angeles is signed on I-15. Should you not sign it because people going to points south (San Diego) wouldn't be going through LA?

[@rayizard5687]

You missed Devils Slide, a really cool and unique rock formation that you can only see from I-84

[@ControlCityFreak]

Oh no! So many spots on that road

[@tylermarchand2996]

And the Perrine Bridge leading into Twin Falls.

[@kevinrussell3501]

I was pretty surprised by not having Devil's Slide as well, it's pretty awesome. Pretty much the whole drive on I-84 east of Ogden is easily in the top 10 most scenic drives in the interstate system

[@dhinton1]

8:44 a LIMON reference! LIMON! 😂😂😂

[@ReallyBadDriving]

I think that I-84 should be from Portland to Pocatello. The current I-84 that goes southeast from Burley towards Salt Lake should be called I-82. And the current I-82 should be renumbered to I-86. Basically so the numbers can fit the numbering grid better. It's weird that I-82 is completely located north of I-84.

[@ControlCityFreak]

That would make sense. I’m guessing they’re out of order because 84 was 80N, 86 was 15W, and 82 previously fit.

[@scottbrockman5883]

That will always remain a mystery to me of the current I- 84 that runs southeast from Burley to Salt Lake, which should be renumbered I- 82 . I do agree that the current I- 84 should run between Portland and Pocatello & that the current I- 82 should be renumbered I- 86. Which makes more sense when reading Road Atlas, State Map, or Google Maps, and also the Interstate numbers would go up from 80 to 82, then 84 to 86 & cut back on the distance and on costs and on gas and oil instead of confusing people who travel those Interstates from 80, 84, 86 and 82. But, what do I know, I'm just one person. But I know how to read a map and never failed at math or geography. That's just my opinion, though.

[@jaykebird2go]

11:54 looking at that on the map, that weird gantry there is actually because that's the on-ramp from Franklin Rd and I-184 both meeting up with I-84 there. Idaho just did it a bit weirdly in comparison to other states (granted, it probably cost a bit less money and took up less real estate to do it that way). Other states probably would've kept that on-ramp separated from I-184 entirely and just connected the ramps after each one split for their corresponding I-84 direction.

[@samseddmedia]

(8:04) EXCELLENT MILEAGE SIGN!!! PROPER CONTROL CITIES!!! WAY TO GO UTAH!!! (Overhead signs as well at 8:24.)

[@PSTXFL]

Maybe Boise doesn’t get the recognition it deserves for most of I-84, so as payback Mountain Home and Nampa are signed on I-184. 😂

[@samseddmedia]

I might have to change Todd's "The Way It Should Be" just a little bit: I-84: Eastbound: Boise Twin Falls Salt Lake City (I-15 South) Cheyenne (I-80 East) Westbound: Ogden Boise/Pocatello (I-15 North) Boise Portland/Seattle (I-82) Portland

[@spellcast1391]

Should use Ogden or Pocatello with Salt Lake City. I-84 doesn’t go there.

[@mxderate]

@@spellcast1391 Doesn't matter. 10x bigger than both of those combined (metro population). The "it doesn't go there" excuse is kind of pointless. There are tons of roads that are signed for cities that they don't actually go to

[@samseddmedia]

@@spellcast1391 Moderate Productions has a point. I'm okay with having Salt Lake City signed by itself because it's bigger than Pocatello AND Ogden. However, I'm only making that case for Eastbound I-84.

[@JoshGColorado]

With the Limon reference lol

[@benjaminchandler7919]

This one could benefit from dual control cities. Maybe for westbound: Nampa/Boise Meridian/Boise Twin Falls/Salt Lake Pocatello/Salt Lake Ogden/Salt Lake Morgan/Cheyenne Either Park City/Cheyenne or Evanston/Cheyenne And for westbound: Morgan/Ogden Riverdale/Ogden Ogden/Logan Brigham/Logan Pocatello/Boise Twin Falls/Boise Mountain Home/Boise Boise/Portland Ontario/Portland Portland/Seattle

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Riverdale is the Ogden suburb with the 15/84 split and home of the northernmost Raisin’ canes and the only target between Layton and Idaho Falls

[@ControlCityFreak]

Solid

[@benjaminchandler7919]

I edited this to include Logan. Logan is not on I-15 but is a big driver of traffic from Riverdale to Brigham

[@michaelpepe105]

"Christmas Twin Falls, Idaho Her oldest memory She was only two The first time she felt blue..."

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Why aren’t there any mileage signs signed for Park City? Evanston’s just the largest city in the southwest corner of Wyoming while park city is a famous resort town

[@bagenstb]

Because you wouldn't take I-84 to Park City. Where I-15 & I-84 split, you'd stay on I-15 south and take I-80 east instead.

[@ControlCityFreak]

This

[@DMAN_2314]

Dave's the Way it Should Be for the ID/UT portion: EAST: Boise, Twin Falls, Pocatello/SLC, Ogden/SLC, Ogden/Cheyenne, Cheyenne WEST: Ogden, Pocatello/Boise, Boise, Seattle/Portland

[@mxderate]

Solid list

[@ControlCityFreak]

Agreed

[@truckercowboyed2638]

So next is i84 East ?? I mean i84 in pa, ny, CT and Massachusetts

[@mxderate]

It's actually signed pretty well besides PA.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Yep

[@skipabby]

@@mxderate A small bit of fairness to Pa. (literally). Before I-84 and I-380 split, there are two small signs on both sides of the highway. The left sign says "New England left lane" and the other sign says "New York City right lane." At one point on I-81 and I-80, there was a sign for trucks that said "Use I-81 and I-84 to New England."

[@benjaminchandler7919]

Why does signing Pocatello bother you while signing Twin does not? Twin is not on the interstate either Also neither Twin nor Ogden have an overhead pull through sign, unless you count the junction in Riverdale which is overhead southeast bound

[@ControlCityFreak]

Twin Falls is a couple miles off the road, it's absolutely served by 84 whereas Pocatello isn't. I also think it's silly to sign Pocatello eastbound instead of SLC or at least Ogden.

[@lennystudios3.14]

8:40 snowville is probably signed since it’s the only real town between there and twin falls

[@brianmiddleton2956]

7:33 I like the US route shields on those BGS. They seem to stand out.

[@seannewberry7941]

My old gps always sounded like it was questioning itself…. Crossing border entering Utah?

[@tylermarchand2996]

As for that confusing lane configuration in Boise, it has to be truck lanes, even though it isn’t explicitly mentioned. This isn’t uncommon. I 5 does this around the I 405/I 210/CA 14 maze in Santa Clarita, and I think it also does this along the I 5 curves near downtown Portland. Granted, both are clearly signed. Also, the NJTP and the GW Bridge separate car and truck traffic. It’s just a more exclusive form of HOV lanes.

[@LeviRamsey]

Truck lanes on the left is a bit atypical though (it varies by state, but it's pretty common to explicitly ban trucks from the far left lane... even the NJTP bans trucks from the far left lane of the truck carriageway, which is a big part of why I tend to choose the truck carriageway on the NJTP). I think it's more of an ersatz local/express thing to communicate that it's OK for long-distance travelers to just stay in the left lane of 3. Connecticut used to do something sort of similar until the 90s: on sections that were 3 lanes to a carriageway they would sign (I remember this on I-395 and I-84), from left to right, as "high-speed travel - passing - slower vehicles", i.e. the idea was to, unless someone was passing, have an empty lane between the folks doing 80 and the folks doing 50-55 (this was definitely in the double-nickels era) which could theoretically be safer (someone who wanted to do 55-60 passing at the same time someone who wants to do 90 is passing on the right, though...). Similarly, separating the long-distance, more likely to be fatigued, drivers from the locals entering and exiting also makes sense.

[@LeviRamsey]

Hypothesis: states where the modal freeway is 4 lanes (2 per carriageway) are more likely to try weird signage when they have 3 lanes to play with. There can't be that many miles of 3 lane carriageway in Idaho, and Connecticut (largely because they planned an insane freeway network in the 50s and only ever got around to building maybe half of it) has a lot more 2 lane sections than you'd expect from a state of that density.

[@highway2heaven91]

Some notes: 4:47: New Mexico style reassurance shield. 9:50: California style overheads Does I-84 have express/local lanes, if not why are there multiple overheads for the same Interstate with different control cities. I think Portland should be mentioned more in Idaho, it’s the main driver of much of 84’s traffic especially west of Boise. It’s quite disappointing that both Oregon and Idaho ignore Boise and Portland on 84 when they know that those are the places that most traffic will have their eyes on. It makes me wonder if there’s a strong rivalry between Oregon and Idaho. Finally, if Greater Idaho were to become a thing how would that affect the control cities on I-84? Would Boise get mentioned more along 84 EB? Would Portland get mentioned less? Would the smaller cities such as Baker City or Pendleton get mentioned more? Lots of questions if this actually happens.

[@mxderate]

Point 3: I've always wondered that too. Weird that they just don't just combine that into one sign to save money, or if you wanna save even more money, sign JUST Boise.

[@ControlCityFreak]

True

[@benjaminchandler7919]

I don’t think Boise should be signed from as far away as Portland or Ogden. Why not sign Kennewick and Logan on the way? Yes they’re 30 miles off I-84, but LA is that far from I-15

[@ControlCityFreak]

Kennewick and Logan ain’t LA

[@EpicThe112]

Here's the reason to why Mountain Home is on the sign it's an Air base therefore military convoys from Oregon have an easy sign in reaching Mountain Home Air Base

[@jaysoule1]

I didn’t know you could duplicate interstate numbers. I84 between I90 in MA and I81 in PA is unrelated I assume.

[@mxderate]

I-90 and 81 have to be alone. You can share multiple roads with the same shield as long as they are far enough away from each other.

[@jbm71]

There are now multiple (unrelated) I-74s, I-76s, I-84s, I-86s, I-87s, and I-88s.

[@kosjeyr]

With 84 being signed for Mountain Home, it might be because of the USAF Base there...l

[@DMAN_2314]

It is but if that's the case then Midwest City should technically be on the big green signs because it is the home to Tinker AFB (even though Tinker itself is within the OKC City limits)

[@kosjeyr]

@@DMAN_2314 I know on some of the US Routes (not interstates) that go through San Antonio have Lackland AFB on them.

[@samseddmedia]

North Carolina is doing the same thing to I-85 in Greensboro! (4:45) Also, North Carolina does good signage for I-285 in Lexington on Southbound I-85 and vice versa (7:22), so Utah isn't the only one.

[@mxderate]

The fact that they sign Lexington for 285 and not Lexington NC is confusing because the exit for Lexington KY is not too far away

[@samseddmedia]

@@mxderate Kentucky doesn't border North Carolina, so it shouldn't count.

[@samseddmedia]

(10:08) I don't know why you don't like that so much in North Carolina. You've seen North Carolina sign Knoxville on I-40 Westbound between the state line and Asheville, and they do the same thing that Idaho is doing, so what do you have against signing a major control city and a smaller town or city at the same time?

[@ControlCityFreak]

Knoxville is a no brainer and there’s basically nothing of any circumstance between Asheville and it, no reason to sign anything else

[@mxderate]

Knoxville is literally the most obvious choice. Unlike I-84 between Ogden and Boise, there is nothing between Asheville and Knoxville. Honestly, you agree with Todd every time except when he criticizes your state (NC). That's a little biased ngl

[@samseddmedia]

@@ControlCityFreak That's where you're wrong. I-40 passes through three smaller towns before going into Tennessee. I have no problem with signing those towns as secondary control cities. But in one case, you're correct. Knoxville should still be the primary control city on I-40 Westbound past Asheville.

[@mxderate]

@@samseddmedia Twin Falls is remarkably bigger than all of those towns combined. And they sign Canton/Knoxville because NC has to sign NC

[@samseddmedia]

@@mxderate So? Knoxville is the primary control city. What's wrong with that?

[@mxderate]

Mod's the way it should be: (EAST): The Dalles/Boise (The Dalles should be in a smaller font size), Boise, Twin Falls/Salt Lake City (again, smaller font size for Twin Falls), Salt Lake City, Cheyenne (WEST): Ogden, Boise, Portland/Seattle (equal font size), Portland I-184 Edition: (EAST): Boise (WEST): to I-84/Portland/Seattle

[@ControlCityFreak]

Solid

[@mxderate]

Wow! Didn't know you were born in 1839 lol

[@geraldnagytenneson]

The way I think it should be EAST: Boise Salt Lake City WEST: Boise Portland OR

[@newflyer2198]

N.F.'s the way it should be for Western I-84 as a Whole EASTBOUND: Boise, Twin Falls and/or Ogden, Ogden/Salt Lake City (from ID/UT state line through I-15 concurrency), Cheyenne WESTBOUND: Ogden, Pocatello/Boise (during I-15 concurrency), Boise, Portland/Seattle (until I-82), Portland

[@ControlCityFreak]

Solid

[@mxderate]

I would sign SLC from Twin Falls if not Boise

[@kcore1427]

The Way It Should Be: Eastbound; Boise, Pocatello/Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City, Cheyenne: Westbound; Ogden, Boise, Portland.

[@mxderate]

I would do Twin Falls/Salt Lake City or just say Twin Falls instead of Pocatello. Twin Falls is similarly sized. Other than that, I agree.

[@jazzyjt3694]

You said your 19th birthday was in 1858 !

[@sandersp94]

It was gross seeing Nampa signage coming out of Boise on 184 it should of been 84 West Portland

[@tylermarchand2996]

dart Vador Nampa is big enough to be it’s own urban area, plus, ID 55 provides a shortcut to U.S. 95 S, which connects the Boise metro to Reno (where I live) and California…

[@mxderate]

@@tylermarchand2996 The thing is, Nampa is too close to Boise. Portland would be way more useful

[@ReallyBadDriving]

Can't wait for next week. In my humble opinion, from end to end, I-84 is the worst interstate highway in the nation.

[@mxderate]

At least it’s signed pretty well outside of PA

[@ReallyBadDriving]

@@mxderate Milford is an awful control city. The rest are now OK. Back in the day, NY had Brewster and Port Jervis as control cities but now it's Danbury and Scranton which is better.

[@mxderate]

@@ReallyBadDriving Boston is a good choice. Both CT and MA sign it. Newburgh, Danbury, Waterbury, and maybe Middletown are decent choices for the area. Boston and NYC are especially good control cities (NYC being at the 90-84 interchange).

[@drewconway7135]

13:18 That's not how "The Dalles" is pronounced. The E is silent.

[@Vitemer448]

I think I-15 NB and I-84 WB should actually both just be signed for "Idaho" instead of Ogden and Pocatello/Boise. Then, when they split, switch to Pocatello for I-15 and Boise for I-84.

[@theawesomer8587]

"I-184 is the only child route of I-84" I-384? I-684? Yes, I know they are on the eastern portion but they should count.

[@ControlCityFreak]

2 wholly separate roads

[@Deadlybattles908]

I want I 85

[@ControlCityFreak]

Coming soon!

[@jakem6720]

1:18 More like 90 😂

[@kf1000]

Tremonton is pronounced "TREE-mont-un"

[@seancallahan5612]

More PA next week noooo.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Lol

[@mxderate]

Look on the bright side, we also got NY, CT, and MA next week too, which are all great at control cities.

[@seancallahan5612]

@@mxderate Except for I-93 being signed for Quincy out of Boston

[@mxderate]

@@seancallahan5612 True. That should be Providence

[@kf1000]

"Dalles" is pronounced as a single syllable.

[@catholicactionbibleonlyist1813]

they should bring those old signs back

[@ControlCityFreak]

Would be awesome! Gonna be looking at a similar lost gem real soon on 85

[@highway2heaven91]

@@ControlCityFreak Oh yeah. That was a pretty good one. It’s a shame it’s gone now.

[@spellcast1391]

Ogden/Portland?

[@spellcast1391]

Skipping over Reno and Sacramento isn’t something I agree with though.

[@mxderate]

@@spellcast1391 It's just that one sign. You can throw monkey wrenches every once in a while. For example, look at the MD sign on I-70. Saying: Columbus St. Louis Denver Cove Fort But it is just on that one sign, which is okay.

[@S_Over_Street]

Absolute boring drive between Boise & Twin Falls. & completely desolate stretch between I-86 & I-15.

[@ControlCityFreak]

True. Done it a couple times.

[@tylermarchand2996]

S Over St. Desolate, yes. But I wouldn’t say boring. I have driven in that part of Idaho before, and it’s far from the most boring stretch of highway I’ve been on. I 80 between I 76W and Lincoln manages to be monotonously flat despite a 2000 foot elevation differential, and I 95 between Richmond and Savannah is also quite a bore.

[@fixinggoodchannel]

I've lived in the glenns ferry/mountain home/ boise range all of my life and have never had a problem reading the signage but maybe its worded weird

[@womprat99]

4:41 It's pronounced tree-mon-ton.