Interstate 86 Eastern

[@seanabbins5481]

The southern part of this route has been well traveled due to the summer destination area known as the Borscht Belt. The resorts in the area used to be even more popular but traffic can still be pretty heavy in the summer weekends. A lot of people with second homes. I'm thinking Monticello should be a control village because of this. There is also a casino and race way there

[@DWNY358]

The story of I-86 replacing Rt 17 was an idea by the late Senator Patrick Moynihan to help that so-called "southern tier" region, economically. He thought an interstate was somehow "sexier" than a state route and that the area would be more likely to attract investment. This area is really the northern fringe of "Appalachia". In the end, I don't believe the area benefited that much. It is indeed a very beautiful route from end to end, especially in autumn.

[@c.t.turner2123]

The only thing beneficial, a bypass route of route 6 in Pennsylvania and avoid the tolls on 90 and 87. That's it

[@InternetKilledTV21]

So true, it is a gorgeous autumn route. Always super lush after a bout of rain.

[@elli6220]

@@c.t.turner2123 It's quite useful if you're going to Binghamton or Albany from points west!

[@jakemckitchen6352]

Appalachia goes on for hundreds of more miles

[@kevinrussell3501]

If they complete this interstate, it could be beneficial. This has taken so many years though

[@mark99k]

I-86 really does get overlooked a lot. Even Google, if you ask it for directions from Erie to NYC, points you to 80 instead of 86. And if you force it onto 86 (by adding a Binghamton stop) the total driving time shows as 10 minutes shorter.

[@craiglindecamp9589]

Stayed right off that exit in Corning this summer. Absolutely gorgeous sunrise with the fog in the hills.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Nice!

[@StevesWanderlust]

My wife and I drove the extent of 86 a year ago. It's very scenic, at times isolated but altogether is a good alternative to the thruway. I don't regret taking it on our way from Cleveland to Maine.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Steve’sWanderlustWho? Not only does it bypass the Dewey Thruway, but if combined with I 84, it could also bypass the Berkshire Connector and a significant part of the Massachusetts Turnpike (at least to midway between Springfield and Worcester). Although I did take I 90 east during my 2022 summer road trip, and the route is still quite scenic once east of Utica.

[@ChrisSmith-1983]

Watkins Glen International a race track is accessible from I86.

[@courtemanche437]

Wow, I thought you would be against signing Corning going westbound after Binghamton! Very interesting.

[@spellcast1391]

Agree! I didn’t think Todd would like Corning so much. And also hate the New York City signed for I-86 East in Binghamton.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Spell cast My choice for a control between Erie and Binghamton is Elmira, and headed east out of Binghamton, sign Middletown (58k urban core, and where I 84 is).

[@mxderateprod]

@@tylermarchand2996 But NYC... (8.8m urban core, where I-78, I-87, I-95, I-495, 695, 295, 278, 478, 678, 878 all meet) For now, I agree. Sign Middletown. But when I-86 is done, you need to sign NYC.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Oh, and if there’s ever a week to put out two videos, next week is it. I 87 (NC) is so short it can be listed right here: Rocky Mount for Eastbound and Raleigh for Westbound. Even the spur that serves Wilson and Greenville is longer!

[@mxderateprod]

What about Norfolk? The whole reason why this Interstate is built?

[@tylermarchand2996]

Moderate Productions I know it is slated to extend east to the Hampton Roads, but I don’t know how the roads past Rocky Mount are designed (two lane, four lane undivided, four lane divided, etc). I think back to the I 11 video. Todd only covered the stretch from the Bridge near Hoover Dam to Henderson. U.S. 93 is a divided highway, being upgraded to freeway status, pretty much all the way to Kingman. And U.S. 95 is the same way out to Mercury. Those could’ve been included as part of the Future I 11 corridor, akin to NY 17 here. But they weren’t, so that’s why I have a feeling this is going to be a short video.

[@mxderateprod]

@@tylermarchand2996 I was saying as a control city.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Moderate Productions With what is currently completed on I 87, no Virginia Beach yet. Rocky Mount is sizable enough (150k), even without being a future Interstate junction. Once I 87 extends past Rocky Mount, then right before I 95 is a good place to start signing Virginia Beach (this is already one of the most desolate parts of the mid-Atlantic, as Elizabeth City is the only somewhat sizable place between the two).

[@jimcoddington4100]

Great video Todd! My awesome man!

[@christinerebstock3656]

I go the Binghamton frequently from the Hartford area & NY Rte. 17 has a fair share of future I-86 shields from the Catskills to the Southern Tier

[@pFoz]

It was designated i86 but pulled back until the i86 sections are contiguous.

[@tylermarchand2996]

pFoz A similar thing happened when building I 580 between Reno and Carson City. From 1998-2012, the freeway portion of U.S. 395 ended at Mt. Rose Highway. A freeway portion of 395 also existed in the Washoe Valley, and was incorporated into the Carson City freeway as it was extended south along the eastern edge of the city throughout the 2000s. The I 580 designation didn’t come until an 8.5 mile stretch of new freeway was constructed in the mountains above the old highway, connecting South Reno to Washoe Valley. When there are high winds, trucks are required to use the old highway today.

[@only1gameguru]

I spent a bit of time at near the NY NJ boarder. There are a lot of state highways that maintain the same number when you cross the state line. It seemed interesting to me. Though with the expectation I 287 North going to I 287 East they kept the same directions.

[@hawkman917]

I drive I-86 frequently. The signage gap between Waverly (where it dips into PA) and Binghamton is maddening. Major work was recently completed at the I-81/I-86 junction in Binghamton, which was done to upgrade it to interstate standards (before it was known locally as Kamikaze Curve). Also, the upgrades from NY-17 to I-86 began in 1999, and was supposed to be completed in 2009 (You see how well that’s worked out).

[@Transporter_Not_Statham]

...like any other road project in New Jersey 😁

[@raidger4]

I can’t wait for the I-90 video, especially the eastbound NY portion. I want to hear your opinion on NYC being on the mileage signs.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be cool!

[@tylermarchand2996]

Daniel Barbier Even taking into consideration that the Dewey Thruway is the dominant “highway”, Buffalo is still way too far out to sign New York. Only once out towards Utica would this route be the best choice for New York bound traffic, but even then, there’s still the Capital Region, Kingston and the Hudson Valley before even entering the New York vicinity (Rockland County). I’m putting in my two cents as someone who this past summer drove the entire length of I 90 eastbound during my road trip around the country.

[@robinsonshawqx]

I really hope that I-86 gets signed eventually, not only because of my commute to Ithaca back in 2013, but also because this is a great route for revitalizing tourism along the route. It is the fastest route to Erie, PA and a faster approach through the mountains. People should really see this as an opportunity to create holiday getaways and to maybe bring manufacturing back to Erie--there's not even that many overpasses that require clearance along the unsigned route. With that bypass, it's basically a very high standard interstate from Parksville to Woodbury.

[@robinsonshawqx]

--this coming from a Chinese guy who's entire mentality is basically "build and they shall come".

[@LukeO-1234]

I'm on 86 almost every week for my delivery route and it's an awesome road very scenic

[@ControlCityFreak]

It looks that way!

[@bigj200016]

I86 is supposed to ultimately be a shorter route to NYC from Erie.

[@c.t.turner2123]

86 From Erie to Corning, absolutely beautiful! If You're a Truck driver, The DOT like to hide out in the rest areas and parking areas. Make sure you have you HUT stickers The small portion of 86 that goes into Pa at Waverly, NYS DOT maintains that small stretch. For I-87, you'll find plenty of 87 signage in the Montreal area. Auto route 30 at Auto route 15, Auto 15 as it departs auto 10 on the east side of the Samuel De Champlain bridge.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

There are numerous signs for Autoroute 15 at various junctions for 87 in the Lake George area.

[@tylermarchand2996]

C.T. Turner From what I see on maps, across Lake Champlain, I 89 also provides access to Montreal.

[@c.t.turner2123]

@@tylermarchand2996 I'm not familiar with Lake George. The only Auto 15 signage I remember in NY State is a couple of signs is at U.S.11 and I-87. It's been 10 years since I was up there. I remember all the 87 signage in the Montreal area.

[@evanoconnell2340]

One of My favorite roads of all time mainly because it really feels like the people behind designing it actually care about you and do not seem to actively despise you as a fellow driver, UNLIKE the Thruway.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

Just drove 17/86 westbound from Owego to north of Olean tonight. For whatever reason, the 86 reassurance shields are gone in the Waverly area where it dips into Pennsylvania briefly. And it doesn't become signed as 86 until just before Elmira. Plus, there is only one exit for Elmira proper which may explain Corning replacing it as the control city. And that exit was not busy at all. And junction with 390 now has 86 west signed for Erie. However the milage signs still alternate between Jamestown and Olean as primary control cities. And between the 390 junction and Olean, traffic was virtually non-existent. I'm talking I-180 in Hennepin IL non-existent. This was early evening too.

[@Lynn.Panadero4242]

There’s also I-86 from the 86-84 split near Burley, Idaho and Pocatello, Idaho. It’s short.

[@ControlCityFreak]

I know, I made a vid on it

[@14Rocket]

Jamestown is marked as a control city from Erie because the two cities are connected pretty economically, and is a population of about 35k, so probably the largest city it comes to for a long time. Jamestown also is the best way to get to Warren, PA which also is connected well with Erie. We had a Welcome to PA sign going to Erie a little bit inside the state. Haven't driven on it in a while just to avoid their bored state cops. Would surprise me if a winter storm or a drunk driver took the sign out.

[@GabeGarrett-tcs]

@14Rocket yes absolutely all correct and Jamestown is Closer and quite a bit bigger than Corning and it would be weird to be signing it bypassing Jamestown which would be around 200 miles anyway and Jamestown is a pretty substantial city for New York standard.

[@planetbarrett6055]

If you're doing I 87 in North Carolina next week, could you at least include the Future Corridor of 87. I personally think this Interstate 87 should connect up to the one in New York. There's not many Interstates in Delaware.

[@davidburrow5895]

I like the eastern I-86 a lot, and I think if you're going from western New York to NYC it is the way to go. It may be slightly shorter to go through Scranton, but they you have to deal with the traffic there and also in the New Jersey suburbs. People headed east of Binghamton are headed to the city or at least to the northern suburbs.

[@tylermarchand2996]

David Burrow I think that when people are calculating directions to “New York”, they’re directed to Lower Manhattan, which is best approached from I 80. That, and I 80 offers more entry options (George Washington Bridge, Lincoln Tunnel and Holland Tunnel, vs just the Tappan Zee Bridge). That’s how I see it as someone from Nevada…

[@christopherbrinker9220]

been waiting a long time for the video on the interstate i've been driving back and forth on for 20+ years from Western PA to Binghamton to visit family. The opening stretch going eastbound across the NY line had some of the worst potholes i've ever seen for dozens and dozens of miles... glad they finally have refurbished most of the road surface. Got to see the overpass in Horseheads get built from the ground up (86 used to stop there just before Elmira and you had to go through several traffic lights before 17 picked back up to 55mph again with at grade intersections until they finally pushed 86 all the way to Binghamton). Last note: there used to be an official PA welcome sign coming westbound near the connection with 90, it just disappeared a few years ago and they've never replaced it.. odd. Great work on your video series so far!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

Also, I was on the fence regarding Jamestown as a control city. It was a regional business hub for that corner of NY but it's declined rapidly. They've even lost commercial air service that was subsidized by the govt.

[@MrTC_Gamer]

We take almost the entire highway driving to family in pennsylvania multiple times a year. There are two exits in PA. The highway is beautiful driving through hills.

[@rayizard5687]

Jamestown is a major city for the NY State Southerntier and used to be a great deal more prominent. It used to be a major furniture production center. The city became less prominent in the age of interstates so I guess the thinking was it'd make a comeback if it put onto an interstate...it's also Lucille Ball's hometown

[@ControlCityFreak]

Not even the age of the Interstates. This 86 only dates back to 1999

[@GabeGarrett-tcs]

@@ControlCityFreak true 😆

[@MPSteitzer]

Compared to the 90 Turnpike it is a delightful drive from Erie PA to Albany on my way back and forth to Midwest from Maine.... I found the section between Binghamton to the west is low traffic count so it is very stress free...

[@roadgeek1961]

West I 86 it's actually Erie county, Greenfield Township coming back into PA, Pennsylvania. The welcome sign " Welcome to Pennsylvania. Pursue your happiness is what is on I 90. Maybe not there , Lake Erie Winters???

[@spellcast1391]

Erie Suburbs…

[@roadgeek1961]

People in Jamestown and Chautauqua County drive to Erie mostly Millcreek Mall to shop. Pennsylvania doesn't have Sales Tax on clothes.

[@markscheig3691]

From Erie, fastest way to Binghamton. Also acts as 90 bypass for Albany to avoid NY Thruway tolls. Jamestown is home of Lucille Ball. St Bonaventure is in Olean which you get to on 86. Also Watkins Glen raceway off 86.

[@autotechxbox163]

I believe that this portion of I-86 is signed the way it is because it's still under construction.

[@lollypop081MLE]

Alternate title: Interstate 86 Eastern PLUS NY 17 (I'm from Middletown (aka the city to contain NY 17/future 86, 17M, US 6, and 84 Eastern) and they been working on converting 17 into i-86 for so long, there's still construction in Sullivan County near Monticello and Bethel. I know they already finished redoing NY 17 in Goshen, expanding the highway for the traffic coming into Orange County for Legoland).

[@drewthompson43]

Their is a welcome to PA sign going into PA the photo is available on google. Also one interesting thing with 86 is the pancake interchange in Bemus Point. Originally they were not sure if they were going to go over Chautauqua Lake or go to Westfield NY and have it meet I 90 there. So when I86 an 430 split 430 is an expressway for about 4 miles with a set of exits into Bemus Point. Then it ends after the exits. I’m pretty sure Bemus Point has to be one of the smallest places to have 1 set of traditional exits and also have an additional on ramp to Erie and an extra off ramp for the bridge over the lake. It’s a pretty large interchange for such a rural place

[@drewthompson43]

Also one of the reasons 86 has taken so long to build is Because the New York State Thruway which is a toll road, I 86 is not and the thruway has always viewed it as a threat to their toll collecting.

[@1867Phoenix]

Jamestown was the birthplace of Lucy Ricardo in I Love Lucy. It comes up in the show when she needs to apply for a passport so she can go to Europe with Ricky, Fred, and Ethel.

[@davidburrow5895]

It was also Lucille Ball's actual hometown.

[@roadgeek1961]

The most famous person from Jamestown was Lucille Ball. She always mentioned Jamestown High School on I Love Lucy. Erie has Ann B Davis of the Brady Bunch fame. The comedy museum is located in Jamestown in honor to Lucy.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Seems like the comedy museum should be in the Catskills!

[@roadgeek1961]

I knew there was a lot of info I wanted to get out and realized I forgot Lucy who put Jamestown on the map.

[@EpicThe112]

For the eastbound you can also put it Morristown or Paramus, NJ after Middletown New York because I-86 simply feeds onto Interstate 87 at Woodbury Commons Harriman interchange exit 16. From Middletown eastwards you have buses going towards New York City via Paramus, NJ on RT-17 via 287 South exit 66 and Interstate 87 exit 15 287 South Morristown,NJ

[@mxderateprod]

Or, NYC after Middletown. Because after Middletown, taking NY-17/I-86 is the fastest way at that point.

[@pablonh]

I frequently drive from northern NH to and from Kansas City. I generally either take I-86 or ON-401/402.

[@champan250]

I lived in that area for 4 years, it is faster to go to NYC via Rt 17 (I-86) than going thru Scranton after factoring in the traffic. It gives you an option to go thru the Tappan Zee instead of the tunnels or staying on the right side of Hudson and traffic usually better when approaching NYC on I-87 southbound or Rt-17 in NJ

[@tylermarchand2996]

@champan250 Maybe “New York” refers specifically to Lower Manhattan?

[@champan250]

@@tylermarchand2996 or the port area in New Jersey where the trucks should go?

[@dmnemaine]

Jamestown, NY is famous for pretty much one thing. It's the childhood home of Lucille Ball. It has interest for Lucy fans as there's a Lucy museum there.

[@kenq1363]

I woke up from a nap to a new video! Thanks ! There’s no traffic on 86 btw.

[@jlb2222]

Man, I haven't lived in upstate NY in almost 10 years, but not surprised to see they still haven't finished upgrading this route. I grew up in Rochester and I used 390 or 90/81 to 86/17 to get to NYC several times. It would usually depend on which part of NYC I was heading to, Rockland/Westchester/Northern NJ suburbs I took 86/17, and NYC proper/LI I would take 81/380/80. Not sure why I never considered 81 to 84. There were actually at least 2 times I can remember going 390/86/17 out of Rochester to Binghamton/NYC instead of 90/81, specifically because I-90 to Syracuse was getting hammered with lake effect snow, and I wanted to get south out of the bad weather more quickly...nice to have the alternate route in that case!

[@dylanlowers5236]

I drive this from Erie to Salamanca a lot and I gotta say that mountain stretch is beautiful in the fall

[@dans656]

Having gone to school outside of the Rochester area, I always took I-86 (Route 17) to 390. I dont think it was ever intended to be an interstate, but rather a great way to connect the southern tier cities and get from downstate to the upstate cities of Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo without having to pay tolls on the NYS Thruway. Speking of the Thruway, when you get to I-87 (between NYC and Albany), I-90, and I-95 in NYS, they are actually managed by the New York State Thruway Authority, while all other highways are managed by the NYSDOT.

[@benjaminchandler7919]

East of Binghamton, the answer is “Danbury, CT” because it’s the shortest but not necessarily fastest way to Hartford from Binghamton

[@benjaminchandler7919]

In Pennsylvania, the eastbound control city should be “Scranton” as that’s the most significant city it’s the fastest way to

[@TheSharkKing45]

Never heard of Corning NY. The only Corning I've heard of is Corning Iowa which is on US34 and IA 148

[@roadgeek1961]

December 3 1999 Pa/NY 17 became I 86. Was extended as sections got upgraded. The original date was 2009 for all sections to be completed, but that day has come and passed. Like I said before Orange and Sullivan countries are being looked at for a six lane upgrade. I 86 not on Nydot top priority.

[@brucetelfeyan]

When I was a graduate student at Cornell university, we made frequent trips to visit my parents on long island. I can tell you from experience that it is faster to go from Binghamton to New York city by taking state highway 70 and New York state through When I was a graduate student at Cornell university, we made frequent trips to visit my parents on long island. I can tell you from experience that it is faster to go from Binghamton to New York City by taking state highway 17 and the NYS Thru way than it is to go south on 81 and then east on 380 and 80.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Bruce Telfeyan If headed to Long Island, then coming in from the north is likely preferable. However, when “New York” is signed, I suspect it is specifically referring to Lower Manhattan, in which case a western approach would be preferable…

[@DMAN_2314]

Dave's the Way it Should Be: EAST: Corning/Elmira, Binghamton, Hartford WEST: Binghamton, Elmira/Corning, Rochester, Erie I do agree that it won't get you to NYC from Binghamton but for people who live East of I-81 it will actually be the fastest way to NYC especially once SR-17 is fully upgraded to interstate standards. The reason I would throw Hartford in there is because majority of the 86/17 traffic are angled in that direction.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Good point, didn’t think of that

[@tylermarchand2996]

@davidheller2314 In my list, I account for that with U.S. 6 E Danbury (NY 17 and U.S. 6 run concurrent near Harriman, and split off right where it makes sense for 86 to end at 87). Danbury is a good sized city on its own (~90k), and from here, you can get ANYWHERE in Connecticut.

[@DMAN_2314]

@@tylermarchand2996 Danbury is a good size town I agree but Hartford is not that much further up the road though.

[@jakeparsons7171]

Well, Hartford once was a control for I-86…when it was the portion of I-84 between East Hartford, CT and Sturbridge, MA at the time I-84 was planned to go to Providence.

[@mxderateprod]

@@tylermarchand2996 But as Todd stated in the I-84 Eastern video, Hartford is just much more well known and isn't that far up the road.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

A lot of traffic from Upstate NY avoids going into PA and uses 17 to go to NYC. The traffic is horrendous in the Scranton area with 81 pretty much two lanes in each direction except for the junction with 84/380/US 6. And it doesn't look like PennDOT is changing that anytime soon.

[@ControlCityFreak]

That makes sense

[@FameyFamous]

You didn't show the interchange for I-81 to Syracuse on the eastbound trip!

[@joyceneville9214]

First of all most NY’ers refer to Routes, so it’s Route 17, Route 30 and so forth. The road actually has a name, it’s called the Southern Tier Expressway and it connects all these little towns to the outside world, it also allows them to get from one small city to another. Which is actually very useful. Back in the day the road east of Binghamton was known as the Quickway and it was to help all the city people get to summer places in and around the Catskills. It was also one large traffic jam on Fridays and Sundays in the summer. So you can stop slagging on Jamestown. First of all it used to be a pretty big manufacturing town and it’s the largest city in Chautauqua county, Lucille Ball was born there! I grew up in Fredonia NY and Jamestown was indeed a useful place to go. I-88 between Binghamton and Albany was built in the late 1980s and had it been built earlier I’m pretty sure my parents would have used NY17 (It only got an interstate designation with the completion of the Jamestown-Erie stretch and the bridge over Chautauqua lake. Ugly, they couldn’t go around?) our annual trips to NH as it’s a prettier ride end to end and no tolls and many fewer tractor-trailers. I suggest you have a look at the Wikipedia for each of the cities and try to get a feel for the southern tier of New York State!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks, great info!

[@PSTXFL]

New Yorkers may call every road “route” but this is KZbin and Todd appeals to a larger audience that uses the proper terminology, not NY slang. Interstates are by definition constructed to connect the states together. That’s why major cities are normally used as control cities, not minor towns like Jamestown or Corning.

[@ravBuffalo]

Thanks for setting Todd straight. All of his videos for the region and Ontario show his lack of awareness and knowledge of geography

[@joyceneville9214]

@@PSTXFL actually NYSDOT calls them Route as well, it’s not slang.

[@PSTXFL]

@@joyceneville9214 the rest of us don’t give a flip what New York calls them. Calling an Interstate a “route” might be official NY terminology but it’s slang to the rest of us. The federal government certainly doesn’t refer to them that way. Todd covers all the interstates, nationwide. NY is one state out of 50, and only the 4th most populated so who cares.

[@kenlichtig8024]

Jamestown, NY was the birthplace of Lucille Ball. There is also a Lucille Ball Museum. She is also buried there.

[@ElementElevators]

I-86 eastern is definitely underrated in terms of scenery. As someone attending college in Ithaca (exit at 3:34) it carries some personal importance. I'd definitely like to see it finished all the way to I-87, although it probably won't be done for a long time. While it might not connect any major cities, I'd say a big part of its importance comes from being a southern bypass for those wanting to avoid tolls on the NYS Thruway (kinda similar to how I-68 is an alternate to the PA Turnpike). Combined with I-88, it can be used to drive from Erie to Albany without tolls. And thanks to the lack of major cities, 86 doesn't usually have much traffic. As for control cities, it's rather difficult to sign, although I definitely agree with your suggestions. As for the 81/86 split south of Binghamton, once 86 is fully upgraded, I feel like it would be okay to sign NYC, or alternatively, put signage mentioning NYC on both 81 and 86 with dual controls (such as 81 signed for Scranton and NYC, 86 for Middletown and NYC). But it's definitely still too early to see NYC signed on 86 from the split, given that 81/380/80 is faster (I'd just sign Middletown for now).

[@ControlCityFreak]

Agreed

[@Forxa1260]

From Buffalo to NYC it’s fastest to take I 390 to 86 to 81 to 80.

[@norfolksouthernrailfan2006]

When you said I 86 re-entered Pennsylvania for a short distance, it keeps the same New York exit numbers, then you said it's like I 59 in Georgia but it's I 24 that keeps the same Tennessee exit numbers in Georgia before it re-enters Tennessee.

[@Mathman2021]

When you do I-90, can you please show my exit, the Lodi/Arlington US-60 exit please?

[@ControlCityFreak]

Can try but it’s a huge road, kinda need to stick with what matters in the overall story

[@geraldnagytenneson]

The way I think it should be EAST: Binghamton WEST: Binghamton Erie

[@drivingbritt9617]

I have an idea, what if they mixed both I-86 and I-88 in New York into one road, to provide a toll-free and more scenic alternative to I-90 across Upstate New York?

[@ControlCityFreak]

I see no reason not to do this. Upgrading 17 beyond Binghamton will take years/decades if it ever actually happens.

[@pacificostudios]

I-86 and/or NY 17 goes through the Southern Tier of N.Y. counties, hence its name. Until I-86 reaches Jamestown, NY, it largely follows the route of the historic Erie Railroad. The Erie was once an important passenger railroad, and its diamond-shaped logo symbolized all the coal it hauled. Unlike I-86, the Erie dropped south at Jamestown to hit Meadville, PA, and eventually Youngstown, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Chicago.

[@Transporter_Not_Statham]

I prefer Conrail 😁

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

What a lot of people don't realize is that there are a lot of places on this highway to pick up and drop off loads for truck drivers.

[@andrewkosmowski3985]

For fans of I Love Lucy, the actress Lucille Ball is from Jamestown, NY.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Oh cool!

[@pFoz]

Ny 17 has some of the most scenic highway between Binghamton and Middletown. The biggest reasons it's not a contiguous interstate are the at grade intersections in Delaware County and the steep road grades in Sullivan country.

[@tylermarchand2996]

pFoz When I think of steep grades on freeways that aren’t Interstate worthy, I think of U.S. 101 in Marin County. Immediately past the G2B, is a tunnel, after which the freeway drops from about 500 feet above sea level to just about sea level in what can’t be more than two miles (I think it’s called the Waldo Grade). Even if this is Appalachian New York, I’m trying to imagine elevation drops that severe. I’ve driven on I 80 in Pennsylvania, and I don’t think even the descent into East Stroudsburg is that drastic…

[@pFoz]

@Tyler Marchand there are a few spots on that road with 7-10% gradients that extend for a mile or so. The interstate standard is 6% . It may not be west coast mountains, but the Catskills are on an elevated plateau where the rivers have carved out deep gashes in the ground. The old train line the highway follows used to have tunnels through the steeper sections. The highway quickly rises from sea level to nearly 2,000 feet.

[@ianb9851]

I especially love how NY 17 keeps it's state shield during that brief pass through PA. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's the only occurrence in the entire country of a state highway cutting through another state while still keeping it's designation.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Yeah that might be the only one

[@theawesomer8587]

Rt 120a goes into Connecticut and keeps its NY shield as well.

[@danhobson2879]

Actually, Minnesota 23 near Duluth cuts into Wisconsin for about 1/2 mile.

[@57ttocs]

WY 70 enters CO for about a mile but no shields.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

Probably because that little stretch doesn't connect with any other roads in PA and is maintained by NYDOT the entire time it slips into PA. And I think PA only allowed NY to build 17 into NY on the condition that NY maintains it.

[@rlg1976x]

Most traffic doesn't drive i-86 in its entirety. It's largely used as a bypass of the New York Thruway for Buffalo/Rochester/Canada to and from NYC and the Mid Atlantic (Philly, Baltimore, DC, etc.) The stretch from i-90 near Erie to I-390 has light traffic but it picks up dramatically from I-390 to I-81 near Binghamton. As you mentioned, NYC/NJ traffic usually takes I-81/I-380/I-80 and Mid Atlantic traffic takes I-99/US-15 to Harrisburg to pick up either I-83, I-81 or I-76. Though Philly traffic would likely use I-81/I-476. From I-81 east to just west of I-84, traffic is light again and east of that to I-87 is mostly NYC area commuter traffic.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Yeah given the route I doubt many people take the whole thing

[@tylermarchand2996]

Ray G I tend to think that Middletown should remain when NY 17 is fully converted: if combined with I 84, it is a faster (and cheaper) route to New England, since the Dewey Thruway, Berkshire Connector and half of the Massachusetts Turnpike are avoided (more than making up for the Newburgh bridge toll)…

[@briancatanzaro6053]

Nicely done video. That's weird that Buffalo is signed on I-86 WB in PA; I expected Cleveland since it's also due west. 🤔 I never expected you ever to call out NYC as "provincial" - especially in NYS! 😄 (Middletown does make sense here as the control city instead of NYC.)

[@ControlCityFreak]

I didn’t either! But here we are

[@roadgeek1961]

Also I forgot to tell the story about a famous traffic jam. It happened in 1969 during a famous music festival called Woodstock. The traffic heavy all the way back to the New York Thruway.

[@David-qi1ys]

I86 is the fastest way to go from NE Ohio/Erie PA to Cooperstown if, IF!, you want to avoid tolls via I90

[@louieatienza8762]

I live in Yonkers, and to avoid the tolls and the Thruway going to Ontario, I'd take the Taconic to US-9, then head west on US-6 through the goat trail headed toward NY-17/I-86. Much nicer drive, and better scenery.

[@LiteBulb88]

FYI, in case it comes up in the Eastern I-88 video, it's Binghamton, not Binghampton.

[@ControlCityFreak]

D’oh!

[@nickparadies350]

I used to live in Middletown, NY and was well acquainted with I-86/Route 17. It’s been under construction forever and most locals don’t believe it will ever actually get finished. There is a short section around Middletown that is signed with I-86 shields but for some reason isn’t listed on Wikipedia as being part of the route yet. It is a beautiful drive though. The main thing holding the project up from what I understand is the at grade intersections in the town of Hale Eddy, with the issue being that there isn’t really any space for a bypass to be built without either bulldozing the town or cutting into the mountains.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

17 does go around the center of Hale Eddy. It's the houses and motel on the other side of 17 opposite that are likely holding things plus they may have to cut into the mountain just to make an exit for the town and the connecting roads on the other side. Plus there's an active rail line that runs close to 17 through that narrow gorge.

[@ddrdanganvloger2187]

Can’t wait for you to do I-87, NYS Thruway & Adirondack Thruway. Hope you love The Tollway North of Exit 7. And yes. The thruway program specifically does numerical. You’ll see what I mean.

[@finnrummygaming]

Hopefully it will change to mile marker based soon

[@tylermarchand2996]

@ddrdanganvloger2187 Maybe I’m biased being from the western U.S.. but I HATE sequential exit numbering. Oregon does some weird thing where non-interstate roads may go backwards (i.e. descending Northbound) AND have letter suffixes for certain stretches between other major highways. But I prefer even that over what the Northeast does, because at least I get an accurate scale of how long the road is. Entering New York from Erie and seeing the exits decrease as I’m heading Eastbound doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the fact that there’s 8 physical miles between Exit 60 and Exit 59.

[@tylermarchand2996]

For reference, headed into the Nevada desert, the exits go 50 - 65 - 78 - 83 - 93 - 105 in the most desolate part. This tells me FAR more than if the were numbered sequentially (likely 30-35 for the same stretch).

[@Transporter_Not_Statham]

@@finnrummygaming if that’s the case, do you think 87 numbers would start from the Deegan in The Bronx or the Thruway in Westchester?

[@finnrummygaming]

@@Transporter_Not_Statham the Bronx and it would continue northward until Canada. Or at least there would be breaks at the different highways

[@SonicandHighwayDude401]

I've got 2 things for you: 1) When you look at the Exits for I-86 eastern, I figured out why it starts with Exit 4 and continues sequentially. It carries over from Pennsylvania Exit 3; and the next number after 3 is 4, so NY DOT starts with Exit 4 and continues sequentially from there instead of resetting with Exit 1 and continuing sequentially from 1. 2) When you get to I-90, can you cover the "mysterious exit" in Wyoming? It shows up on Google Maps, and when you street view the exit; it shows an unpaved exit that leads to an unpaved road which leads to nowhere, and isn't signed at all! It's roughly between Exits 58 and 65.

[@andrewberman3690]

A couple of items come to mind here: 1) NY State officials probably don't want to be public about this but it is faster to take 86 to Binghamton, then briefly 81 north to 88 east to Schenectady than it is to take the NY Thruway through Buffalo and Syracuse. And of course, it's free. Next: Once they upgrade a few remaining intersections, that won't save a great deal of time. I don't know if there are any traffic lights left, for instance - there used to be one for Exit 98 years ago. This is never going to be the fastest or most direct route to NYC regardless, no matter what they do. That's 81 south / 380 south / 80 east as usual. Lastly: Corning, Elmira and Binghamton have all seen better days, and the hope was that making NY 17 into an interstate would help the region economically. That hope seems to have been in vain, at least so far. Thank you, Mr. CCF Todd.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks!

[@dcarlone2699]

I drove from Harriman to the I-81 interchange in June and didn’t come across a single traffic light, just a few at-grade intersections.

[@EpicThe112]

Good point but Interstate 86 to Interstate 87 simply avoids NJ & PA from Long Island to upstate NY Buffalo Woodbury exit 16 is shorter only need to deal with Tappan Zee Bridge and Bronx

[@BertiferousRex]

The upgrade of 17 to 86 won't make the drive to NYC any faster that way. It's only about a 4 or 5 mile stretch with 3 or 4 at-grade intersections with a speed limit of 55, so removing that won't have any effect on speed. Also, while 81-380-80 is theoretically faster, any time gain you have will probably be eaten up trying to get over the GW Bridge. I usually would take 17 to get from NYC to Binghamton (no P!), a drive I used to make frequently.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@BertiferousRex I think that calculated times to “New York” use Lower Manhattan as the centerpoint (not physical, but economical). Plus, I 87 only allows entrance from the Tappan Zee Bridge, while I 80 has the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in addition to the George Washington Bridge.

[@MrTwarner]

I'm not sure how you did your NY-17 vs I-81-380-80 calculations from Binghamton to NYC. I was confused because I've driven down NY-17 between the two, and upon looking it up, they're only 3 miles different.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Google maps

[@tylermarchand2996]

@MrTwarner Perhaps “New York” refers to Lower Manhattan specifically? NY 17 may be preferable for those bound for The Bronx or Westchester County, while I 80 is preferable for Manhattan, Staten Island and perhaps the westernmost parts of Brooklyn. For the rest of Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island, it probably doesn’t matter the route. Don’t hate me if I’m wrong; I’m just going off of what I see on a map…

[@roadgeek1961]

History of New York Route 17 I 86. NY 17 started out as a 2 Lane Highway going in New York State from Westfield to Suffern New York continuing on through New Jersey ending @ New Jersey 3 East Rutherford near the Meadowlands. Broken down to the Quickway and Southern Tier expressway. The Quickway Harriman to Binghamton and the Southern Tier Harborcreek Township near Erie to Binghamton. The Quickway was built in the 50s and 60s to relieve traffic for people visiting the Catskills. In Orange and Sullivan County the road is being studied to being upgraded to 6 Lanes. ( Oct 22 ). Most of the Quickway needs to be Upgraded to current Interstate Standards. In Delaware County there is a section near the community of Hale Eddy that has to be converted from Controlled Access to Freeway.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Great info, thanks!

[@dcarlone2699]

Congestion on this highway in Orange County is BRUTAL. I can’t wait until the expansion to three lanes begins.

[@mxderateprod]

Orange County? California?

[@tylermarchand2996]

Moderate Productions Orange County is where Newburgh and Middletown are.

[@gmt921]

@@mxderateprod Eight states have an Orange County (CA, FL, IN, NY, NC, TX, VT, VA)

[@mxderateprod]

@@gmt921 Thats my bad. My apologies

[@DEEJAY440]

My Control Cities for I-86 East: Binghamton (In PA) Corning / Binghamton Binghamton Middletown / NYC New York City West: Middletown Binghamton Elmira / Corning Corning Erie

[@Vitemer448]

I think Jamestown is a fine control city going EB; it has a population of ~28k which is actually pretty sizable for that area of NY/PA. It definitely should be Erie going WB though. Also, there’s no “p” in “Binghamton” ;)

[@ControlCityFreak]

D’oh!

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

For me, I-86 would've sign cities as follows.: Eastbound I-86 PA-NY •Corning, NY •Binghamton, NY •New York City Westbound I-86 PA-NY •Binghamton, NY •Corning, NY •Erie, PA | >Rochester, NY •Erie, PA It may be challenging to sign I-86 east away from Binghamton like I-84 east away from Scranton, but remember, I'll sign I-86 for New York City and I-84 for Newburgh and I don't need to sign Middletown at all, even though it's the 3rd largest core city of the P-N-M metro area.

[@mxderateprod]

I would definitely sign NYC in the future once this road is done, but for now, it needs to be either Middletown or Newburgh.

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

@@mxderateprod, for now, I'll stick with Middletown first. Again, no need to sign Middletown for I-84.

[@mxderateprod]

@@CrystalClearWith8BE Agreed

[@brucetelfeyan]

The first sign on 90 for eastbound 86 should really sign NY City. This is much faster than taking the NYS Thru way to get to NYC.

[@ControlCityFreak]

I could see that

[@spellcast1391]

I agree. That’s why they end I-86 at I-87. I’m sure it will be a Quickway once extended past Binghamton area.

[@tylermarchand2996]

From what I see, I think Jamestown might be pushing it in terms of control city status. That said, my list is: Eastbound: U.S. 62 N Buffalo U.S. 219 N Buffalo I 390 N Rochester I 99 Williamsport Elmira (urban area is just large enough to qualify in my rules) NY 13 Ithaca Binghamton I 81 Syracuse/Scranton Middletown I 84 Newburgh/Scranton U.S. 6 E Danbury (NY 17 has a concurrency with 6 before I 87 I 87 New York/Newburgh (Albany is still way too far out) Westbound is basically reversed, but remove I 87 and U.S. 6, and end with Erie and I 90 Erie/Buffalo.

[@tylermarchand2996]

And it probably goes without saying, but I’m only considering NY 17 up to Harriman as Future I 86. There’s no point in continuing I 86 along NY 17 while it’s paralleling I 87 down towards the Tappan Zee (I’m referring to the geographic feature, not the bridge). On another topic, I question why the Hudson is even considered a “river” at this point: according to Google Earth, the shores are at sea level as far north as Albany!

[@mxderateprod]

You wouldn’t be going to Buffalo nor Rochester as you would’ve taken 90 to begin with.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Moderate Productions Those routes I mentioned lead to Buffalo and Rochester if currently in the Southern Tier (Specifically, anywhere between Jamestown and Elmira). I am aware that headed to Buffalo or Rochester from Erie is going to use the Dewey Thruway; from Binghamton, I 81 to the Dewey Thruway in Syracuse would be the likely path to Rochester, but either 81 or 390 could be utilized for Buffalo.

[@mxderateprod]

@@tylermarchand2996 Fair point

[@dvferyance]

I would put Cleveland on the bottom line of that last millage sign. Who would backtrack east to go to Buffalo?

[@ControlCityFreak]

Yeah true

[@DMAN_2314]

Would I-86 to 90 to go east toward Buffalo from Jamestown be the faster way or no?

[@tylermarchand2996]

David Heller From what I see on maps, probably not. U.S. 62 heads north straight to Buffalo, and NY 60 also meets the Dewey Thruway in Dunkirk/Fredonia.

[@mxderateprod]

Agreed. It should say something like this: I-90 (top line) Erie (middle line) Cleveland (bottom line)

[@briancatanzaro6053]

PA likely just went with the control cities for I-90 (Erie for WB, and Buffalo for EB) on I-86 WB in PA. (I realized after this post that Todd basically said that, starting at 9:37. 😀)

[@Jonahs_Trucks_And_More]

Will they ever upgrade NY-17 to Interstate standards..?

[@RickSeraf]

Basically, no. The section from Binghamton to Woodbury goes through the Adirondacks. In order to straighten and flatten the road you would have to wipe out many of the towns located along the road.

[@ReallyBadDriving]

I think the reason for the strange overhead sign in Corning is because the best exit for the glass museum is the next one. I would rather see Glass Museum/Binghamton on that sign. Jamestown works as a control city from Erie because it is the largest city for a loooooong time. The other cities are too small to sign that far away. NYC works going east from Binghamton because it is about the same time/distance if you were to go through Scranton but I prefer taking I-86 to the Tappen Zee because there is usually way less traffic than taking I-80 through NJ and taking the GW. And also depending on where you are going within or around NYC, I-86 could be the better way but it all depends on traffic and whatnot. Unlike I-11, I-69, I-73, I-74 or I-99, I do think that I-86 will be completed within the next 20 or so years. There's only a few small stretches in the Catskills that need to be upgraded. They just completed the intersection in Binghamton a couple years ago and can have I-86 signed all the way between Binghamton and Erie but I'm not sure why they haven't done that yet. The way it should be: East: Jamestown, Corning, Binghamton, NYC West: Binghamton, Corning, Erie

[@mxderateprod]

1. Add Rochester going WB. 2. I think NYC should definitely be signed in the future. But for now, I think it should be Middletown, Newburgh, or something like that.

[@ReallyBadDriving]

@@mxderateprod I think I-99 should be extended to Rochester using I-390 so that section should be signed for Rochester. (It is today) Middletown is too small of a city for a control city, only 35k live there. It's within an hour and a half of NYC. NYC is too huge to not be signed being that close.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Really Bad Driving I see more people potentially using I 86 to get to New England from the Great Lakes than people using it to get to New York from anywhere longitudinally west of Utica. With that in mind, I think Middletown is going to be necessary even when NY 17 is fully converted, because of the diverging traffic routes, especially considering the tolls on the Dewey Thruway, the Berkshire Connector, and the Massachusetts Turnpike.

[@ReallyBadDriving]

@@tylermarchand2996 I currently live in Syracuse and even when I lived in Buffalo, I used rt. 17 (I-86) to get to NYC. You mentioned the tolls on the thruway, that is the biggest reason I-86 gets the traffic that it has. East of Binghamton, most of the traffic is going to NYC, it's angled in that direction. If you are going anywhere in New England other than Connecticut, it makes more sense to take I-88 from Binghamton than taking I-86. For example from Binghamton to Boston it takes at least a half hour longer if you take I-86 to I-84 to get there depending on traffic (and usually the traffic on I-84 is horrible in Hartford).

[@tylermarchand2996]

Really Bad Driving Maybe you’re right, but there’s still the Berkshire Connector and the entirety of the Massachusetts Turnpike if using I 88 (and there’s still a Dewey Thruway fragment, since I don’t think 88 ends before switching to I 87). At least with 84, half of the Massachusetts Turnpike can be skipped. From personal experience, my family has taken alternate routes to avoid tolls. Throughout the 2000s, we’d go to an amusement park in Santa Clara. However, headed back to Reno, instead of taking the quickest route (I 680), we’d cut over to I 5 near Tracy via I 580 and I 205, because the bridge between Concord and Fairfield collects tolls northbound.

[@brucetelfeyan]

Wish I could edit my post but you get the idea!

[@zaius316]

The Middletown-Newburgh I-84 intersection is where I-86 is supposed to start/end when they finally get around to finishing the interstate.

[@Arthur-dl2co]

If that's true, it is something new. I have seen "Future 86 signs beyond that JCT (east and westbound). A couple of interchanges have been rebuilt (124- Goshen, and 126-Chester). To me, l don't see any reason Sullivan-Delaware County line to I-87 JCT should be signed I-86. That goes also for signing I-86 between I-81 and Waverly.

[@tylermarchand2996]

herrrd It isn’t going to go south to Harriman? That point looks perfect, as there’s no point in continuing 86 along NY 17 while it’s parallel to 87, and U.S. 6 can take you east towards Danbury.

[@roadgeek1961]

The Southern Tier portion. Pennsylvania, Erie county. Construction started in 1986 . Finished in 1989 as a Super 2. New York, Chautauqua County. From the Pa line to Sherman New York basic Road bed put down and overpasses. Abandoned until 1986. Locals used for snowmobiling. The bridge over Chautauqua Lake delayed for environmental concerns and the local Bemis Point Ferry. At the time an alternative was considered from Bemis point to Westfield. Reason for short spur.. The bridge would get built and past the bridge as a super two. In 96 built as four lane due to high traffic incendents. Cattaraugus County, Seneca Nation. From Salamanca US 219 to US 219 South to Bradford Pa. Held up by the tribe until early 2000. Olean to I 390 built in the 80s. I 99 Painted post to South of Elmira Upgrade and finished in 2013. Binghamton, The I 81 and NY 7 Interchanges improved late 2021. The Southern Tier section was originally built as an Appalachian Regional Commission Road to improve the economy of the Smaller Southern Tier cities. An alternative to I 80 in pa. Corning home to Corning glass. Jamestown hometown of Roger Goodell NFL Commissioner, 10 000 Maniacs featuring Natalie Merchant. A more scenic Road than I 80. Scenic drive in the Alleghenys and Catskills. Most of the original SR 17 has been either changed to different numbers or has an added letter prefix example NY 17 J. It was nice to see a sign for my boyhood town North East pa on CCF. Have a good one Todd. Sorry I forgot Jamestown most famous resident, Lucille Ball one the greatest comedy minds of all time.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Thanks! Great info there

[@bkark0935]

What a gosh darn snub! You mention Natalie Merchant and Roger Goodell but not remark on Jamestown’s favorite daughter & Television’s First Leading Lady of Comedy: Lucille Ball?

[@midwestpanther98]

Jamestown is a tourist town because of the Lucy Desi museum.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Every city has something

[@jimcoddington4100]

Jamestown Is around 30,000 people it actually is a pretty nice city that I’ve been to quite a few times. Not extremely far from Erie though but Corning is almost 3X smaller than Jamestown. But Westbound, Corning is the right choice

[@FameyFamous]

Are you sure that Rochester should be a control city on 86? If you are going to Rochester, I would recommend getting off 86 and heading north as soon as you can!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Taking 390 after Corning

[@tylermarchand2996]

Jeff Kaplan Considering the future of I 99, maybe it could work once well past Elmira. But from Binghamton, no. What looks like the best route to me is I 81 north to Syracuse, then west on the Dewey Thruway, and use I 490 to approach from the southeast. There will be some tolls (driving across New York via I 90, with a rest in Liverpool), entailed about a $20 invoice), but it could be safer than a potentially mountainous route…

[@thexavier456]

Quick iMovie tip, if your videos are still in the editing process and they aren’t exported yet, you can replace the music you use (not rushing you to use my version at all).

[@ControlCityFreak]

Get me 36 more subs and you’ll see it next week!

[@thexavier456]

@@ControlCityFreak Hmmmmmmmm... I don't know I myself can get 36 more subs for you lol!

[@mxderateprod]

@@thexavier456 Make 35 alt accounts lol

[@roadgeek1961]

The ramps on the I 86 and I 90 are strange, if your west bound from like Olean to Findley Lake you would have found a different way to go to Buffalo. Going from Findley Lake to the Buffalo i use a series of backroads to get to the Buffalo Airport. 86 west to 90 east and 90 west to 86 east doesn't make sense. Probably these ramps don't get plowed during heavy snow. Don't worry the I 90 west Cleveland signs show up right after you pass the Peach Street Exit ( US 19 ) And if you wanted to go to North East Pa you stay on 90.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Edwin Paschke In Jamestown, I see two routes to the Dewey Thruway: U.S. 62 N and NY 60 to Dunkirk/Fredonia. A bit to the east, there is also U.S. 219. I remember driving the Dewey Thruway eastbound during my summer road trip in July. If I’m not mistaken, 219 goes right past Highmark (directory signs did exist on the Thruway, but I couldn’t see the Stadium).

[@roadgeek1961]

@@tylermarchand2996 US 219 goes within 1 to 2 miles of Highmark Stadium you have to turn west on milestrip road NY route 179 to abbot then south. It's of of Route 20 . Maybe the reason you don't see Cleveland signs in Western New York because it's Bills Territory. Bills Mafia . Go Bills .

[@PSTXFL]

Westbound: On 17 from I-87- Binghamton Then Rochester via I-390 and Erie Eastbound: Binghamton and Albany via I-88. The rest are a no.

[@LeviRamsey]

Elmira is really only famous for Red Sox fans who are over 30 because of the Red Sox single A affiliation and Cardinals fans who are over 50 from when that team (now the Lowell Spinners) was a Cardinals farm club. It's basically NY's equivalent to I-80 in Pennsylvania: a toll-free bypass of the toll road which goes through the bigger cities (NY-17/I-86 is the "Quickway" much like I-80 is the "Shortway"). Depending on where you're going in the NYC area from Binghamton (e.g. probably anywhere north of the Harlem River or on Long Island), you're likely to lose more time waiting to cross the Hudson into NYC than the extra time going via 17. Is it worth a 2di? Probably not, though NY ended up with a surplus of interstate funding due to so much of what would have been federal funded being built by NYC/MTA/NYSTA.

[@winter2024-k9w]

I hope you do Interstate 87

[@ControlCityFreak]

I will!

[@gregblair5139]

The southern tier of NY state (west of NY City) definitely needs and east-west interstate!

[@birdsandpoohs]

Todd do need come to Jamestown and and send time there and go to National Comedy Center and Louise Ball places

[@am74343]

6:03 Why is the yellow portion of the sign blurred out? That's kind of stupid.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Just how it shows up on street view. Probably not blurred in a different year