Interview associate choreographer Marco Goecke (NDT 1 | In the Dutch Mountains)

Nederlands Dans Theater (NDT) | Marco Goecke tells abouyt his new piece 'In the Dutch Mountains’ for NDT 1: www.ndt.nl/en/agenda/in-the-d...
Thursday February 9, 2023, marks the premiere of the NDT 1 programme 'In the Dutch Mountains' in our home Amare, The Hague. With this new work, NDT's associate choreographer Marco Goecke presents his first full-length work for the company.
In this interview, Marco himself talks more about what inspired him for this world premiere for NDT 1
Video: Harmen Straatman
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[@M102]

Had to laugh when i saw the dog 🤣🐕

[@Black_Luans_Matter]

His name is Gustav 😅

[@chelseapoet3664]

Anyone who wears sunglasses indoors deserves criminal prosecution for that alone

[@pjoazure]

And there goes the career...

[@peterectasy2957]

his career had been already destroyed by himself -)

[@shunyataberlin]

dogshit is said to bring luck

[@sabineb.5616]

@@shunyataberlin, who is the one in luck? 😉 Goecke or the journalist? I am from Hannover, where Goecke has just resigned before they could fire him. I have to say that my sympathies are with the dog-pooh covered journalist. I read her review - and from what I have seen so far from Goecke's work she was right on the money! Edit: People should not condemn Goecke as a human being just because of one very foolish action.

[@peterectasy2957]

@@sabineb.5616 yes, i share almost same opinion,. Goecke was working hardly precisely but in strange maners and weird ways. sometimes too much ""artistic expressions" destroys art

[@sabineb.5616]

@@peterectasy2957 , I agree, and what I have seen from Marco Goecke's work isn't my cup of tea! But there is something else: after I saw a short video of his dog and an interview where he didn't sport tinted glasses, I realized that I actually know him and his dog personally! I have a dog, too, and I often met him and his dog Gustav in our local park because he lives just around the corner. I knew that he traveled often, but I didn't know about his job. We talked often and exchanged many thoughts in a very nice and personal way. He always came across as very sensitive and caring and not at all as a vein and self-absorbed artist. And since his chef at the opera in Hannover said the same positive things about him, he might be genuinely a nice guy - at least most of the time. It's flabbergasting that he attacked the journalist in such a nasty way! There is of course no excuse - even if the review would have been unfair, which IMO it wasn't. The whole thing is very strange!

[@konami1979]

I suspect that dog was his accomplice in his recent crime.

[@kurtthorsten4463]

haha ach mark, wer im opernhaus sitzt sollte nicht mit scheisse werfen

[@laowei7279]

…bzw. braucht keine Eulen nach Athen zu tragen?

[@jochenkolakowski5247]

In Gülle und acheisse soll er ersaufen

[@VeraDonna]

Little did the dog know how much impact his shit would have in his owner's career.

[@MissSharpMouth]

Best comment. Little did Gustav know....

[@jeanjacquesrousseau1955]

"Hast du scheiße am Fuß, hast du Scheiße am Fuß." -Andreas Brehme

[@chelseapoet3664]

He says he's not a fan of understanding things, but maybe now he might want to try to understand why he sabotaged his career over a review

[@kishdanilo]

Fascinating - the relationship between understanding and images… It reminds me of Freud’s observation that in dreams we shift from conceptual thinking to thinking in images.❤

[@MissSharpMouth]

His choreographies are just as smooth and aesthetic as his English accent.

[@katiecramerson7778]

"My work is always connected to de Nederlands because it's such a big part of my work happened here and most of my favorite pieces I did here in de Nederlands." "Probably de sea is a big mountain you know. Well, de dancers are de odder side because de dancers are also here in dis country and in dis company so I cannot do what I feel what I want; I also have to feel what dey are doing here so dey are a big part of it. I feel dem very close and I feel dem every morning how dey feel, what dey feel." Wie profund, Herr Hundescheißenschmierer.

[@sachad7168]

ohhh you just invented a new scrabble word. Can I use it? We Dutch are very found of cursing and bad words.

[@chelseapoet3664]

That word would score very highly indeed. We need a new version of Scrabble with massive racks for much longer words!

[@jeanjacquesrousseau1955]

"Probably de sea is a big mountain you know ?" NO ! I don't fcking know :D He is talking nonsense haha.

[@sachad7168]

@@jeanjacquesrousseau1955 haha is a real good argument. if you change it in hoho it's even better. It's more cozy and simple. Then you sound like Father Christmas. We love Father Christmas.

[@LordMcRob]

I am here because of the shit incident, but o have to say i am amazed!

[@fpvDRE]

man child

[@x.n.9057]

Brille ab.

[@1arjen8]

Marco: "Wiebke, Ich habe noch einen Frankfurter für dich!"

[@MrMaxi75]

Whatever happened... nice interview en veel geluk Marco!

[@Freedom89984]

I guess he saw some dogs on the beach also 😂

[@femalesupremacistoverlord6800]

LMAO there’s Gustav, the little legend!

[@DNYLNY]

He really gave her a Dutch Mountain.

[@hilarylazard7554]

How to make human action as ugly as possible.

[@kism1990]

He sounds incredibly pretentious.

[@Desvilleux]

The reviewer was right, it's boring.🤣

[@sabineb.5616]

Yes! And I live in Hannover. I am not at all a fan of Goecke!

[@MissSharpMouth]

I watched a choreography by him two days ago...he used Mahler's wonderful music as a musical backdrop for his zombie choreography of epileptic moves. It's like a bad AND boring, unaesthetic joke

[@deemahalsanonah1944]

but why did you keep a bag of dog excrement

[@sabineb.5616]

Deemah, as a dog owner I asked myself the same question! Goecke might've planned to besmirch the journalist. But it's also possible that he picked up the dog pooh in order to dispose of it later, and then he didn't immediately find a public litter basket. I think the former scenario is true. I have never carried the pooh of my dog into a theater 😉

[@BlaueWollwaren]

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

[@l.m6300]

Der Typ ist kritikfähig 😄🐶💩

[@seavs1]

Großartig, das hat sie voll und ganz verdient.

[@MissSharpMouth]

Goecke hat seinen Abgang voll und ganz verdient.

[@rudiradler1]

Ojeeh... sind die Sh*tstormer schon bis hierher gekommen. Naja, ich bin ja auch deswegen hier 😉. Und ... obwohl ich zugegeben keine Ahnung von Ballett habe, finde ich das ganz spannend, was der Marco Goecke so inszeniert. Daher Daumen hoch... für die Kunst, nicht für die Sch**sse. 👍

[@mikelord9860]

Thought I was looking at a work about Iggy Pop.

[@chelseapoet3664]

No,.this is Marco Poop 💩

[@dancefan33]

My understanding is that Goecke's movement vocabulary needs to be executed and communicated with a sense of urgency and angst, as if one has discovered dog poop on their body and is desperately trying to remove it. Goecke's choreography might best be understood as a 21st-century reply to the early 20th-century Ausdruckstanz of Mary Wigman, and can be termed Auskackstanz or Ausscheißtanz. 😎💩

[@sabineb.5616]

@William K. , dancefan and I was making fun of the action and the subsequent journalistic feeding frenzy and not of Marco Goecke himself or the journalist! I have no idea why you insist to give our exchange a far more negative whiff than it actually has!

[@sabineb.5616]

@William K. ,fair enough! Maybe, we should end this exchange on a friendly note 😀

[@MissSharpMouth]

Perfectly understood

[@lulajohns1883]

Bad guy trying to intimidate and humiliate others' points of view.

[@sachad7168]

if you give someone shit don't be surprised if you get it back

[@lulajohns1883]

@sachad7168 physical assault is never ok. He is clearly in the wrong art, his career will most definitely suffer.

[@sachad7168]

@@lulajohns1883 you should read the whole story. She is a nuisance. She has a feud against him. And against others. Only she has a job with newspaper. which she abuses to get to people. She should be fired. She is the one that started to intimidate and humiliate. She was asked to leave and she did not. And now she is starting a hate campaign against this man. calling herself the victim. She is not a victim she is the protagonist in this story.

[@observant6953]

@@sachad7168 Where can I read the whole story?

[@youaregreat6589]

@@sachad7168 was für ein Käse!! 9 Kritiken in 17 Jahren, 2 davon voller Lob. Was für eine Geschichte dieser Mensch nun daraus für sich zu stricken versucht. Nur peinlich diese Arroganz. Die Kritikerin hat schlicht Beobachtungen geschildert, argumentiert und ihre Meinung geäußert: diese kann man hinterfragen und auch ablehnen. Das war's.

[@nicolewolff3213]

Sein Verhalten ist absolut indiskutabel, degradiert ihn in seiner Position und ist seines Standes nicht würdig. Ich frage mich auch wie er seine Ensemblemitglieder während der täglichen Arbeit im Ballettsaal behandelt. Die Ausschnitte der kritisierten Choreographie erscheinen mir nicht innovativ, eher wie ein Möchte-Gern-Intellektuelles Gezappel. Wer sowas auf de Bühne bringt muss mit konträren Kritiken umgehen können. Kann er das nicht, wie er eindrucksvoll bewiesen, zeigt er damit auch seine eigene Unsicherheit was seine Choreographie betrifft. Er ist keine Pina Bausch, und auch kein John Neumeier - der zugegeben auch in den letzten Jahren gerne mal auf das Zippel-Zappel- Vokabular zurückgreift. Undenkbar dass diese unantastbaren Genies der Choreographie sich auch nur annähernd jemals derart auf eine Kritik reagiert hätten.

[@fgtangens8528]

Der indiskutablen Meinungspresse darf man auch gerne mal mit indiskutablen Mitteln begegnen. Der Mann hat schon für die bedeutendsten Bühnen der Welt gearbeitet. Und nun willst ausgerechnet du feststellen, dass er nicht innovativ genug sein soll?

[@youaregreat6589]

@@fgtangens8528 Nein, das darf man nicht. Mit Worten zur Wehr setzen: Ja. Im Übrigen: Einfach Drauflosduzen ist auch nicht die beste Kinderstube..

[@Fly4mebutterfly]

Diese Cancel- Culture Methode einer Kritikerin, die bereits durch Pasolini in "120 Tage von Sodom" durch ihren Auswurf an übelstem Sadhismus gegen die Jugend zum Motiv erkoren wurde, indem dargestellt wird, wie sie die Jugend zerfleischt und in die Kloake wirft und damit Künstler ins Berufsverbot treibt, um die Theater leer und die Opern nicht besucht zu machen, spricht Legenden im deutsch sprachigen Raum. Seine Großmutter Pina Bausch wird wohl eine Spur in seiner künstlerischen Arbeit hinterlassen haben und wenn die Kritikerin auf einem Niveau von Dschungelcamp agiert, niveaulos wie eine Engelke, muss sie nicht Künstler in Theater oder Opern stalken, um deren künstlerische Werke zu zerreißen und die Theaterhäuser und Opern leer zu machen. Nach 120 Jahren übelstem Sadhismus ausgeführt durch diese Frau, haben die Künstler Deutschlands herzlich gelacht, über diese spontane Aktion der warmherzigen Emotionen und der Menschlichkeit.

[@observant6953]

​@@fgtangens8528 Nur von diesem Video aus zu urteilen: Redet sehr arrogant daher, trägt drinnen eine Sonnenbrille und "Fakten sind langweilig", "ich wollte ein Stück ohne Story schreiben", "ich will gar nichts verstehen". Klingt ganz schön dämlich als "Konzept". Sehr interessant ist in dem NDR-Interview nach der Kotattacke, als er bei "0:20" den Satz mit "...noch nie gemacht hat" beendet. Man sieht kurz eine Mikroexpression, ein kleines Grinsen, das er versucht zu unterdrücken, als er an seine Tat denkt. Spricht Bände. Völlig egal, für welche Bühnen er schon gearbeitet hat, er ist ein *********.

[@kurtthorsten4463]

@@fgtangens8528 was isn das fuer ne argumentation? also darf man jetzt jemanden mit scheisse beschmieren weil er ne kritik auessert?

[@christinegreim7302]

Wie schade....

[@kind7of7andy]

still the best in germany, missed in stuttgart.

[@MissSharpMouth]

In this case I feel bad for Germany particularly Stuttgart

[@shunyataberlin]

i just can't imagine one person having pleasure watching these kind of mutilated dancing moves, these ruined ideas of beauty, hyped all over the world today...

[@publius1252]

If you’re a pretentious twat, it can be readily achieved.

[@sachad7168]

Art is not about pleasing and beauty.

[@shunyataberlin]

@@sachad7168 That's exactly what art is about, friend.Some find roses all beauty, some themselves pleased by thornes. Be whatever one's passion, ever feature or form, there' low life expectation for babies born without soul. Once you love your creation and thus satisfied you can't claim it's not beauty because that be a lie.

[@sachad7168]

@@shunyataberlin you clearly did not study art history.

[@chiarabacci6813]

grow up

[@bobbuilder4875]

Evil man. How could you that to a female reporter? Sick.

[@youaregreat6589]

was spielt das Geschlecht hierbei für eine Rolle? Die Tat ist widerlich - ganz gleich, wem gegenüber.

[@sabineb.5616]

@@youaregreat6589 , ich glaube, das war ironisch gemeint 😉

[@youaregreat6589]

​@@sabineb.5616 ooh, in der heutigen Zeit finden einige diese Frage tatsächlich berechtigt...

[@sabineb.5616]

@@youaregreat6589, das ist sicher richtig. Aber in dem Fall glaube ich doch, dass es Ironie war.

[@sabineb.5616]

@@youaregreat6589 , ne andere Sache ist aber, ob die Ironie hier angebracht war. Denn das klingt ein bisschen so, als solle sich die Frau nicht so anstellen! Und ich gebe dir recht. Es ist ziemlich egal, ob es sich um Mann oder Frau handelt.

[@Patatteke1]

Dutch Mountains? We don't have any mountains in Holland. The town called "Bergen" is less than 2 metres above sealevel. hahahahh. WE have also a different interpretation of the word "doggy-bag" with a different contence . Rudi van Danzig, Hans van Maanen, and all the other Dutch choreographers never walked around with a bag with dogshit. The would be quite ashamed of the NDT.. 🦮🐕‍🦺🐩💩💩💩