INTERVIEW: Bishop Stephen Zondo refutes allegations of power abuse

[@siphenathimanyaba1910]

A true pastor would never deny the existence and definition of a cult.

[@nompumelelothwala6573]

There is no way he doesn't know what a cult is...

[@pakalithanqephe6149]

A bishop, with brunches internationally? He do not know a cult?

[@justinamusyoka4986]

He simply admits he doesnt know satan is in churches,so why is he a Bishop in the first place ? Aren't christians in warfare !

[@deeptalk4557]

I agree, that really threw me off

[@esahm373]

Christianity started as a cult offspring from Judaism and Islam started as a cult offspring from Christianity and Judaism!

[@kingdomqueensministries6603]

I like the interviewer is very proffesional and he is allowing him to expose himself. The body language speaks volume.

[@spmavimbela7094]

He is So Arrogent this Bishop Man,I'm judge not But their All about themself

[@bitsangabi9785]

He is not serious. He thinks he is clever but he knows in this heart that whatever is being said here about him is very very true

[@suemoganedi9354]

I like the interviewer, calm and collected. He acts very professionally and maturely. Listening is a skill, especially, listening to a person who controls the minds and emotions of the masses. The idea is to let the guest speak.

[@thulisaninyathi8860]

You do have facts Zonò

[@phumelelakhawula2796]

brilliant

[@jannychissico3852]

When he said he doesn't know what cult is, that was a big fat lie. Even if you do not do cult but you will still know what is it. And as an old African man you know a lot. after this I didn't trust anything he had to say.

[@nonelemakubalo7907]

I like the interviewer, he allowed him to talk, when a person talks too much there's so much revealed about him..

[@nompumelelothwala6573]

That's so true.

[@slindilengema2212]

True

[@seimela]

That's what I have noticed

[@keisengramagogodi5369]

He said he doesn't know what a cult is...but on the other hand he says Rhema church is not associated with cult because the leader is a white. "LIES"🤣🤣🤣

[@beckyphala5436]

People need to stop expecting every interviewer to present a feisty approach. It's the probing that matters

[@thembinkosiluwalala5518]

In this case editor is over powered by this guy eg when he ask question he hardly look at his eyes thats what makes him so arrogant

[@mosesntsieni9607]

Deflection, Arrogance, Playing Victim, Body Language. He knows!

[@Tebz47]

Body language? How does this work

[@andanengahassani4155]

True...he seems restless

[@lady_sits]

Spot on!

[@tshepisomaduwana4611]

You said it much better. Just the body language, and arrogance, yoh! Haa!

[@preciousnqula]

This is what is sad in South Africa... Who has bewitched you... Listening to this man I can see the agenda of those that hate the Church.

[@IshmaelSokabo-uz4rg]

People indoctrinated in these cult churches always speak like this because they have not seen the light

[@Thukza82]

Send Malema to interview these Pastors then you will see flames....

[@voyimzimkhulu9138]

Lol Politics and church how do they meet

[@Sylvester826]

🤣

[@ntsiki_badela1451]

Or Leanne

[@lungelofoxxy8038]

Search 13 feb 2013

[@williamkwake274]

Malema must depose the ANC

[@francklesha3400]

Really the way I see this man is very much proud and arrogant. We need a spirit of discernment in our days many deception around

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

Do you think someone will admit that they wrong? Of course not

[@Visiblem99]

No this is not a race issue its a moral issue

[@bongekasenatle2816]

This guy was not the right person for this interview. Zondo overpowered him

[@ngwanawamobu8990]

he was scared😂😂

[@simphiwemasiza932]

@@ngwanawamobu8990 He looked very uncomfortable, remember Zondo uses snakes, and a lot of dark things, and you can not interview such people without being strong. Poor SABC anchor was made to look weak, nervous and he was made to look like a lightweight.

[@everydaywithtebogo7515]

Right..... What a poor interview. I think he was scared.

[@victormkhaliphi4991]

Nothing about snakes and phony powers here. The interviewer is simply inexperienced. You can tell because there are no proper follow-up questions to dig deep into this guy's answers.

[@thembinxesi3091]

The church is under persecution

[@gabriellamula]

This guy is being defensive . We can already see he is guilty

[@pastorbdlamalala6428]

Bishop zondo I like ur respond nd I hear you very well

[@sbosheesgodana]

Its always easier for wolf to understand other wolves language

[@thandukwazipeterlukhele9899]

he's guilty he's guilty and his time is up!!!!!!!!!!!!he's body language speaks volumes!!!!Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin!!!!!

[@evaforever7026]

Where is Debra Patta!!???

[@sunshineyears]

eva tshabalala poor interviewer this guy,

[@mihlayonkephilasandejele8627]

Debra woulda dismantle this Zondo guy

[@wisdom7119]

Any man.. White, black, yellow??? You are in it for the money... Just admit it!!!

[@mojakijohnylesupi472]

You are really lying we are not doing for money

[@fluidgang9720]

you go start yours and eat money like them ,,or don't you want

[@DuchessofKuvuki]

This guy is a crook. He's lying.

[@tonynze7346]

This interview calls for a spiritual minded person not a carnal one. He was simply hypnotized and defeated.

[@curiousk4083]

He's not my Bishop nor l follow him. Jesus was betray by his own fellow man. Now he is the only one who is wrong? Amen to his members and church, why now? I hope this will end well and his testimony in Christ.

[@meshackmahlangu5196]

More grace to you my Bishop Jesus christ will always be with you

[@saviourj1]

The man just suddenly changed and became angry. It's like something took over😂😂😂😂

[@mancobamabuza922]

I hate it when we use the race to debate on biblical principles. If Zondo claims to be the Bishop that he says he is, he ought to know that racial segregation doesn't exist in Christianity. SABC must respect us next time, don't bring immature "investigative" journalist for this type of interviews

[@karebulouws4379]

Anyone with common sense who listen to the questions carefully itself, can be sure jealousy and gossip is the reason for this insults or the root of the nonsense.

[@SammyLera]

He says "the one that I follow!" Doesn't the one he follows have a name?

[@TimothyOtengMokoka]

That also raised eyebrows for me. He didn't even mention the Holy Spirit as the one that causes congregants to fall or manifest when being laid hands upon. All he did was play victim and deflected questions by racialising and politicising this interview. Conducting this interview was pointless, makes one to wonder why he even agreed to it anyone, why the SABC only and why not afford Newzroom Afrika, eNCA and other news outlets the same privilege? I'm glad Solomon Ashoms has covered him extensively through his exposés of "charlatans"

[@Lynnmots]

Exactly.. Am shocked.

[@gabenza854]

What kind of pastor does not know what a cult is?

[@Mimik70-w3t]

He is full of himself

[@AMINAH5916]

Exactly my question

[@watchingthehawks355]

If he don't know cult why did he preached about devil?

[@maryjaneswartbooi2447]

He was running away from having to answer more on that topic.

[@watchingthehawks355]

@@maryjaneswartbooi2447 but he will not run away if ask to discuss about offering tithes and sawing seeds.

[@mathapelomamkhonto4975]

This man if u could look him through his eyes his guilty straight his just denying the truth

[@gistorndlela3548]

Bring the Lady and the Bishop in the same room..ask the questions you will see a different side of the story. this people cannot just tell such shameful things done to them for no reason.

[@sasonelben-ahdam6292]

They can ...

[@MatebaneWilly]

No Smoke without FIRE

[@tonderainebvuma7030]

that is a clitche' favoured by weak minds

[@folashadethomas5568]

Even the man doing the interview didn't believe him

[@Sarah_M84]

This Zondo is a fake, there is no truth in everything he said

[@fullnessoflifeinchristbibl6093]

You are doomed sir

[@isaiahxaba3489]

Eina!

[@eudymakgamatha8136]

You are going down Bishop, we know your operation.

[@ernestmudau2004]

He's lying and he doesn't even know how to lie. Bishop noo man

[@poppymoiloa9890]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lukholoranelo7551]

But between your statement and his he can win 😂😂

[@watchingthehawks355]

Now he know the meaning of cult but he disputed not knowing what's cult.

[@jekwuchukwu1121]

What do you expect an acult and stark liar to say when caught in the act

[@imasinnerwholovesGod]

Wow i liked it when he explained about RDP, its true we dont need to only wait for the gvt to sponsor us. As for other allegations angazi solinda i court.

[@muziwesley5250]

That little smile after the question'have you ever have sex with persons in your church,says it all

[@bitsangabi9785]

Yes it also shows pride and arrogance. He enjoys so much when he is asked that question

[@thapelolengana]

But this has nothing to do with black and white church

[@nalamaq5777]

Believe me it does

[@tebohomotaung5987]

It does

[@DEEDZ135ify]

There's no black church or white church...There's only one Church, the church of Christ

[@somnandizwidetv]

Really, r u telling mi u dont get what Zondo is referring to or u r stack on yo belief that he z running a cult, in this world even Jesus is not the same in christianity

[@nicolendlovu1140]

When he said I'm not from Heaven then this was it.

[@nathanaelbartholomew]

even Jesus was from Nazareth

[@theghost8011]

@Nicole Ndlovu are you from heaven?

[@motloungsasha5579]

"Come on, use your kop"😂. That's Bishop for you

[@staffmashale8468]

😂😂😂😂😁

[@thegreatdimatteo5481]

There can't be a conversation without pulling a race card? And this is becoming a norm when we want to shy away from accountability. The way he looks agitated and uses that to scare the reporter away. He's tactically composed I must say

[@YIked807]

Our people have this pull me down mentality, they will do anything to see everyone struggling.

[@apostlepetrosmunyoro6416]

I just question why all SA church leaders are being accused ! Let this Bishop be.

[@SammyLera]

Nope, not ALL SA Church leaders are being accused. A few but certainly not all.

[@namhlatetyana7737]

Certainly not ALL SA church leaders are being accused. Certainly not ALL!!!!

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

he keeps pulling race card to escape crc allegations he is facing.

[@siphelelemthembu8379]

But they are alligetions they haven't proven otherwise

[@Lynnmots]

"The one I follow without a name" am crying now. With the wisdom how could a pastor doesn't understand the word "cult" My house is my church

[@iang.pinetownkzn8489]

This meeting needs to be held on neutral ground... not in this man's building... civil hall... meetings...

[@kegomoditsweeniodunmo8410]

We give willing, Pastor

[@ronniemasamba4801]

He is a narcissist who likes to be in control .You only need to see the duplicity exhibited by his body language which is contradicting his words .

[@refilwelegae4575]

2020! What a year! And all its fake pastors!

[@sam_llungu8461]

He does not even believe in what he practices.

[@erisherm.8451]

True. Maybe Samkele Maseko

[@gospelallthewaymlilo5783]

@@erisherm.8451 Samkelo is very weak, maybe NewsAfrika journalists

[@happymokonyane5492]

How is this interviewer doing the interview..?

[@thabsilengcobo4880]

I smell percussion and South Africans needs to pray like they've never prayed before

[@justinamusyoka4986]

Persecution or awakening?

[@cleodontina1]

Persecution or prosecution? He is being held accountable for his crimes. Huge difference!

[@gloriakapfu]

See the anger speaks

[@velibrown7904]

I do not see a point of this interview, they expected him to confess to say that he did do these things that he is accussed of, I just think it's a publicity stunt on SABC part. There are enough witnesses to take him to court and possible be arrested for his alleged crimes. Interviewing serves no purpose.

[@nataliefelix8706]

It does because u can tell alot by his body language

[@velibrown7904]

@@nataliefelix8706 And then what, body language cannot be used in a court case to pin somebody.

[@tonderainebvuma7030]

what body language is that yu trying to talk about

[@thabileradebe751]

His lying you can see in his eyes and body language

[@tebogogladystladi7129]

This people are send to tell lies about Archbishop. We will not live the church because of the hearsay.

[@luciateffu9608]

I would like to know what is red, yellow and green oil used for in his church

[@andileluvuno4988]

No pastor in his right mind does not know a cult or the meaning thereof, it is only those who are apologists and participators thereof. The Bible says we must be beyond reproach.

[@sinqobilesthenjwa6898]

But the question should have been "have you ever had sex with a church memember" not sexually use.

[@andanengahassani4155]

If only Xolani Gwala was still alive Zondo was going to be cooked by intense questions....May h8s soul rest in perfect peace but these are times when we need such inteviewers who are unapologetically factual...

[@kgomotsoramasodi4527]

Gary Nel please intervene

[@sam_llungu8461]

Formula One....why did you take someone's wife to a hotel? Cheat!

[@vthomas2482]

😂😂

[@mahlodielesbie798]

He said mosadi wa jewa

[@tebogogladystladi7129]

The interviewer ask about the oils What about the oils used by the catholic churches?Most of the churches use other things and it is Normal. We will not live the church. Respect our religious as well as our cultural beliefs.

[@shayizandlamamba530]

The oldman outclassed the kid. He was an apprentice

[@tsokho_tube]

No one will touch this man he is the only one who can beat himself devil will never sellout himself he is gentle man!

[@loveyours4685]

He is not the Zondo I know. He has pride and arrogant

[@Prophetgeorgeelijahkministries]

BISHOP I SALUTE YOU

[@SallyTabs88]

And you call yourself a prophet

[@bulelwahlongwa6284]

Bishop ♝ zondo you are talking sense

[@cleodontina1]

You mean nonsense 🤣

[@RealTumi]

I think the journalist must tell us how ke felt during the interview.

[@lady_sits]

Yes please 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Fhhdvhfghgfhtrdgrd]

Stop this madness. Such arrogance, people need to stop putting these men on pedestal. The power given to them defies logic.

[@LephotoAlbert]

People who're judging aren't even spiritual but they could see wrong and bad.....like I don't really understand how people get to that point.....but lemme shut up.....

[@sasonelben-ahdam6292]

Cult ... 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.... The word cult can be broadly defined as "formal religious veneration," "a system of religious beliefs and its body of adherents," "a great devotion to a person or idea" as well as "persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure ... .... If this is what Cult means ... What's wrong with it ?

[@enoughnow9169]

What makes me sick is these kinds of self appointed churches and prophets claim to be godly just because they drop the name Jesus how sad,

[@thembinxesi3091]

I here this self proclaimed, self appointed terms, who appoints in the church.

[@emilysopeng9577]

@@thembinxesi3091 can I ask what about traditional healers or sangomas who appoints them to be...

[@maitelebepakoma167]

It is obvious he will deny.Its a rule deny deny deny!!!

[@funananitshivhase2984]

Bishop Zondo is not arrogant, that is how he is 🤣🤣🤣🤣,the interviewer just turned a discipline, ke Matla ntho ena🤣🤣🤣🤣you must watch he's preaching then you will get an idea of how to ask questions to the Bishop, Bishop is serious comrade guys🤣🤣🤣, #zondonotguiltytillprovenotherwise

[@lucritiamathumo5199]

Zondo is not a pastor if so he could have told the interviewer what a cult. He can't deliver people from evil not knowing what a cult is ,it's sounds very funny a pastor saying so.

[@sunshineyears]

Where do they get this interviewer though?

[@kgomotsoramasodi4527]

He need Gary Nel, Zondo not this young guys

[@gaolatlhesegaetsho2208]

Zondo hypothesized this interviewer and took over. Look at the eyes- spirit of anger takes over. What is that Zondo double at 9:08? No mention of Jesus. Motlhanka wa Modimo must quote Jesus as his advocate

[@mimimini5643]

I noticed that too..with black and red glasses🤨

[@SallyTabs88]

Lol yall know too much

[@michaeluchenwaokolo1324]

his body language tells it all that he was lying all through.

[@tebogogladystladi7129]

People can be jealous. The Rivernites will not live the church because of the hear say

[@topgstech-tgt]

This guy doesnt know how to conduct interviews, this interview needed someone BETTER & INTENSE.

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

True, he is supposed to do a better job

[@thabangmolebatsi6682]

Indeed

[@gloriakapfu]

He need an anointed interviewer. His eyes are threatening. He said is your choice.

[@thembajusticechabalala4085]

I see Satan against christenity in the world. Taking the world or rulings people life.that is why intend of guiding our pastors the whole world .not a particular group but every person's in the leadership. Let's avoid to detroy others in name of freedom. Placing traps to leaders regardless from which organisations they belong. All this interviews for me are true reflection of how certain groups of people were raised.

[@kuhlemragala9745]

Yhoo am hurt.. I was church goer in his branch here in East London.

[@gilbertmadondo1452]

@10:00,the CRL must be held responsible for breaking families and pain to children of embarrassed parents.

[@thembinxesi3091]

That has been the purpose of creating CRL from the beginning to go after evangelical churches. The other big evangelical churches are to follow, you will soon hear them questioning Tithes and riches in the church. The mentality is that the church must always stay poor to be a real church. Oooh CRL let's see where you will end. I amm still waiting to see the you bringing the Mainline, catholic, Zionists, Zcc to CRL.

[@loratomothudi4985]

"In the bible those were the church practices" .... he said in the bible he didn't give specific scriptures. Stay woke.

[@gloriakapfu]

He is possessed. Can you his reaction

[@thembyn686]

This man is very rude he needs a very strong interviewer oky

[@yimina_uqobo]

He needs Malema😂

[@mphaemaserumule8163]

He only needs Jesus

[@kereeditsegosiame5021]

This is not a PASTOR he made his homework revision very well, he is defensive towards him, no pastor can defend himself when he is being accused,

[@msizimlu6861]

We need to investigate Nana Poku now he thinks he is a bully.

[@alicemamogethimamokgethi6266]

Ohhhhh yes that Ninja😂😂😂😂😂

[@mightylove]

They should have asked Solomon or Ricky to interview this guy. It was such a weak interview.

[@magorata2355]

So true ..Ricky in particular.

[@gabriellamula]

Ricky should have done this interview

[@marcostacosmphepo4610]

Ricky and Solomon doesnt kn anything about spirituality ......

[@magorata2355]

@@marcostacosmphepo4610 Then you have never listen to Ricky on his channel if you have such a mentality. Yes Solomon i can agree. Not Ricky...Ricky shoots with scriptures

[@MalindiN223]

No the should have asked Lean the white lady. She was going to nail this..

[@beekay6115]

This guy must go to jail

[@phazimabuffalophaz6545]

Wherever He Is I Sprinkle the blood of Jesus may he repent

[@thabomabilo959]

Pride is written all over his face and he's not gonna survive these when you are a pastor you must be humble and this pastor is guilty.

[@rubzatrytry8459]

Evil man ever, you can even see his attitude

[@thandowadada9067]

I don't understand bishop....he said he does not know the meaning of cult...not even a sotho meaning...I see only defensive and arrogant...maybe I'm wrong

[@SindiLebajoa]

Yah ,ba mofihletse,Amen

[@ShepstoneMabunda]

This Pastor, is not telling the truth ...

[@mahlodinorah487]

Inconsistencies that I never came across even if it can be said it's in a black church. But when Jesus was praying fr pple, they never fell. He never even interrogated the demons.ore will still be heard

[@lesediprincebanda3925]

So Zondo hypnotizes congregants and inhales them🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? This guy

[@keshebileonekbmorwe3163]

He says he wants to be inhaled too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lukasashiimi1070]

The Guy is Rude, arrogant and lacks of divine essence.

[@HlenganiKhosa]

Bishop Zondo seems to be hiding something behind his back.The Radio presenter asked him if he ever knows something about Cult in his Church and he said he does not even know what the meaning of Cult stands for.Later he said there is a certain big Church he knows somewhere in Urban areas and this Church is so successful even though its Church leader does not use Cult.According to my understanding , all these allegations that are put against Zondo are true.