Introducing Sudowrite Story Engine

Story Engine is a new tool from Sudowrite that helps you write an entire novel in collaboration with an AI.

[@Wanderer2035]

The only reason hey I’m using it is because it’s uncensored, thanks for keep it uncensored

[@caiomegaverse5590]

THIS IS AMAZING! I started to study AI and Machine Learning just to create a software like that to help me write, and Sudowrite almost read my mind! All the tools are exactly what I needed! There is two more things I want to see: an Outline tool like that from the Canvas, but in a way that we could write our own outline structure, and the AI would turn the synopsis into a first draft based on that outline. And the other tool I wanted was a way of generating characters based on their Emotional Wounds and Lies. For example, I like to create a character starting with his Emotional Wound, for example: Character: Sarah Emotional Wound: Infidelity (create the backstory based on the emotional wound) Backstory: Sarah experienced betrayal and infidelity in a previous romantic relationship, leaving her emotionally scarred. (the lie that the character believes and that is the oppositve of the Theme of the story) Lie: All men are untrustworthy and incapable of loyalty. (the fear also comes from the Wound, and will guide the character's actions) Fear: Opening herself up to vulnerability and being hurt again. Responses: Being overly cautious in relationships and expecting the worst. (her personality was also influenced by the wound, with positive and negative traits) Positive traits: Intelligent, Compassionate Negative traits: Guarded, Cynical Outer Goal: because the character believes in a lie, he feels unhappy witih life, and will have a desire to change something, to reach something, that's his goal. And the Plot will be the journey of the character trying to reach this Outer Goal. With this structure, the character generated will have a "skeleton", an inner emotional structure. Basicallay, I want something like the Outline tool and Story Engine tool, but for DEEP characters (so that we can create a story based on a character)

[@caiomegaverse5590]

​@@luretta3456I now, I do that in other AI.

[@caiomegaverse5590]

But I want a more simple way to do it, just like Sudowrite already do what ChatGPT and other models do, but easier.

[@thefyrebug]

This is great!! I am wanting to do a series in Kindle Vella and push them to Audible eventually. I am thinking yes but, will Sudowrite be the only tool I need or would something like Scrivner be worth the investment also?

[@lindatincupeno1967]

I spent a day using this with a story I just started not too long ago. I've got about 8 chapters but know the characters because I've already written a book with these detectives. I got as far as descriptions of characters and an outline. It works quite well. I like the fact that I can edit the outline and make it work to fit the characters I already know and the story I have in my head. I think it will work for me. Starting out month to month so I can pause when I want. Nice that I can pick up again when I want to write my next novel.

[@bellemoon1008]

HOLY COW! This is amazing!! Do you think it would be possible to one day put a selection of text into the Style box and tell the AI to mimic this style? That way you could post your previous work and have the AI mimic the style you have input, making the seamless transition between books in a series?

[@thekyngsqueen]

That would really be great 👍

[@DigitalBath742]

It can do that. I copied 2000 words from HP Lovecraft into the style box, and it writes in his style.

[@unusualfinds4312]

what happens if you have the chapter already wrote and you change the beggining brain dump does it change the story? if so do you have to regenerate? and what do you generate to see the new asdditions you added?

[@mrbrogathacademy]

This looks amazing. I've been looking but haven't found any information on the best way to produce sequels in series using Sudowrite. Is there a way to have it reference a previous book or books generated?

[@blueskye2790]

My question is: Will it keep up with the story logic chapter to chapter? I would like to see a full blown novel being written (or short novella) to see if the logic is sustained. Thanks!

[@DigitalBath742]

No. It doesn't. The app says as much.

[@amandasmith1236]

From experience, no. It's generated several incongruencies, like ending chapter 1 inside while starting chapter 2 outside. Still, I personally find it a little easier to be an editor, as opposed to a drafter.

[@tomweiss1562]

Can Story Engine write short stories? I don't see a spot on the dropdowns to customize the length. The video shows 12 chapters which is A LOT of words.

[@Hosernaut]

I just gave it a try. It's interesting, but it doesn't seem to really acknowledge what it wrote in previous chapters. I hope to see this feature grow, because it would be really cool to use.

[@blueskye2790]

I was going to ask this. If the logic from chapter to chapter is sustained, or lost.

[@caiomegaverse5590]

Recently, a new AI model was lunch, that can remember the text of a whole book. Sudowrite could try using it to fix this problem.

[@maedeer5190]

@@caiomegaverse5590 what ai model?

[@studiophantomanimation]

@@maedeer5190 I think that would be MPT-7B Storywriter

[@millylamp362]

Tried it with a short story, I had to write the chapter outline myself cause it was over extending the story. Got a pretty decent first chapter but it went way off the outline. But it’s definitely a good start. Oh but does it use a lot of words.

[@heathrezabek]

The last thing said is "It's available now for everyone on Sudowrite.' Can anyone please help me confirm that this includes the Hobby & Student tier? It seems clearly implied, and I hope that's so, but I've seen conflicting info. Anyone able to test or confirm?

[@ArmchairDivaAnnie]

If you told it the genre was middle grade, would it still force long chapters? And could you instruct it towards a point of view?

[@Venomax18]

I need a help, i started chaper 2 but the generate option isn't showing in beat"...?!

[@satya.antonio]

Congratulations to the team! The product is extremely functional and beautiful.

[@DigitalBath742]

A short story version would be great.

[@dtigertron]

Hello, I am very interested. The next time I get an extra 25 bucks I am signing up! I was just wondering, does the story engine know the Enneagram types? Not a deal breaker, I just want to know if I can use the types as part of my character descriptions in the Story Engine?

[@idongesitusen5764]

How do I put my chapters into a single story? Unsuitable right after story engine is done?

[@marvinbundy2501]

Can you write kid stories with story engine? or would it be to advance for this type of writings?

[@Heytexas]

what are the numbers in the prose section? 1-2, 3-4 etc

[@darahaasbonu7433]

Unable generate chapter 1. Do we need any subscription?

[@soumitrabanerjee7341]

1) Can i convert my 90 page screenplay into novel? 2) can it help in screenplay writing?

[@amandasmith1236]

When I edit a field (like synopsis or characters) the AI seems to remember the previously generated responses, instead of using my changes. So I'm trying to use the revise fields more often. But ideally I don't want to generate new words, and risk generating changes, or use my word quota. I want the AI to read and use the changes I typed.

[@amandasmith1236]

To explain more, I changed a character's interests from fashion to rare and valuable items, making the interest broader. I used the revise feature to make these changes to the synopsis and character fields. However the outline is still generating a fashion fanatical character.

[@sudowrite4400]

I promise you the AI does not remember previously generated responses! Probably, something in the boxes is suggesting to the AI that you want that kind of result

[@idongesitusen5764]

where is the outline part of story engine?

[@itsnlee]

This is incredible. Thank you for creating this tool.

[@alaskadreamspublishing6912]

I emailed support but may have lost my info. I spent about three hours on the trial version to test SW. It said my trial words had been used and I had to subscribe. I clicked the link and signed up for a month of the pro plan. When I logged back in, ALL my work was gone. Arrgh! Hopefully, they can retrieve it.

[@cdersh]

Is this how Hallmark writes their movies?

[@steve1189]

they use the LifetimewomanAI for that.

[@Maloolz]

After playing around with this a bit I like it, I think it will be great for setting up new stories from scratch, something I felt First Draft had a difficult time doing within the confines of what you actually wanted it to do. So far it doesn't seem like a tool I'd use for sequels or stories I'm partly through yet, seems like It might take me getting more creative with Story Engine for it to be able to help in that regard. I dream of being able to getting AI to produce sequels for me though haha.

[@fatherhooduncensored]

Is the material that it writes censored. Like certain topics off limits?

[@Blazah99]

Their AI uses the GPT3.0, 3.5, 4.0, and transformer models from OpenAI. Suffice it to say all those models are censored. If your looking for uncensored you'll need a powerful new computer with a good GPU, like NVIDA 3070 or better, and an open sorse model like MPT-7B-StoryWriter-65K (not sure if censored) and a few other things. And even then expect bugs crashs and bugs and no slick interface.

[@Maloolz]

Wow, Sudowrite continues to amaze me every single day. Thank you for all the hard work guys.

[@tomaspavan4042]

Neat video!

[@AndySalt]

It is truly brilliant but I want to set it to write short stories - how? anyone? I have only written 2 chapters and used up a 1/3 of my credits.

[@craftyladynow]

Do you need to start with chapter 1? If you get stuck in the middle could you put in what you have so far and then continue?

[@char2556]

They have a video about using Story Engine with a work in progress on their channel. It’s using an earlier model, but the video is still helpful.

[@Wanderer2035]

What AI model does it use?

[@sarahhannaford2912]

This is amazing, all the stories that I have inside my head and have had very little time to sit down and write, I can even recreate stories I don’t remember as well from early childhood. Just remember to edit and check for plagiarism.

[@Gyrbae]

How would one go about turning the prose into a screenplay/stageplay format? I remember in one of the live streams Elizabeth tried it and I was wondering what would be the best way to get the ai to write in those formats.

[@Tannille]

Warning of a price hike would have been nice. I just completed the trial. My payment of $240 was rejected and when I went back in to try again they added $60. Contacted the company, nothing they can do apparently…

[@awakenyoutube]

I can only see story bible is this the same thing?

[@holdthetruthhostage]

This is what I wanted so Badly instead of the 300 word limit yeall had

[@saadmuhialdin]

How can I access the engine, I have a Hobby & Student account in Sudowrite?

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

It's only available in pro or max plan.

[@jnelson16701]

I am currently writing a young adult romance novel using ChatGPT as my writing aid. I have completed 20 chapters which is roughly about 120 pages, depending on what medium is used to read it. Is it possible to "import" my story into Story Engine and continue writing using it? Keep in mind, it would have to use the same writing style that I've been using. Just curious.

[@humans-are-shite]

The name of the story should be Unwavering. The AI sure did get stuck on that word.

[@Regulus1999]

Thank you!!! This was a super clear, easy to follow, video of using SE and now I feel I can move forward really excitedly having floundered around in it for a few weeks having purchased the Pro package. I was really grateful to have access to the BETA model as it was being developed and learned loads from the Sudowrite community on so much and Sudowrite in general and really appreciate the great support of the Sudowrite team too. I loved the format you used to present the instructions here and the way you zoomed in and out for clarity and showed how to generate and pause and what each box did etc, etc. I didn't realise that many authors worked within the boxes on the main generated text and I'll try that from now on until I want to take the work out to add my own value and individualism.

[@JohnDoppler]

Whose work is the AI trained on? And will our work be used to further train it?

[@Fuchsia_tude]

From their FAQ, it's running GPT3, so the same as that: (1) a version of the CommonCrawl dataset, filtered based on similarity to high-quality reference corpora, (2) an expanded version of the Webtext dataset, (3) two internet-based book corpora, and (4) English-language Wikipedia. And no, that's not how it works. Training a textual AI like GPT is out of sudowrite's price range.

[@jamesjyu]

We do not take any data you input to train any model. We use GPT and Claude under the hood.

[@ScaryStoriesNYC]

Why does AI always call things a testament? And why does it like to name female characters Lily? It also likes the word malevolence a lot.

[@65typthomastay]

Interesting tool. This is a great one that can help you to create your own life story. From the moment you were born, to the year you are right now. You can create a story about your own life, be a story with facts, or with fantasy. The next exciting tool that I am looking for, is one which allows us to put our thoughts, and imagination, into images and create a storyline. Thoughts with images that translate into the life that you want in your life. As the saying, pictures tell a thousand words. It will be better to create a video, or movie with music on it. You can imagine yourself being the main actor, how your life story goes about in real life, and imagine what your next life going to be. Feel good about your imagination, imagine as vivid as you want it to be, as it is real in your life.

[@posthumanistpotato]

So did this become Story Bible?

[@thundersummit4994]

I am really trying to get this AI to cooperate with me, but it is being incredibly stubborn. I am trying to outline this story I've wanted to right for years, a very tragic, dark, story about a guy who gains incredible superpowers but is unable to protect those around him. I wrote a long brain dump with a decent outline of how I want it to go, from his friend dying when they are in a war together pre powers, to some of his family being killed when they are being held as hostages and he tries to rescue them, to his brother being brainwashed and experimented on to give him the same powers and turned against him. I want a dark story with scenes of psychological torture and human experimentation, with an evil and controlling government, themes of intense grief and rage. Yet every time I try to generate an outline, no matter how many times I try to rewrite it, it just ignores my brain dump and writes a completely different story with him meeting other super powered people and no matter what it refuses to write my tragic ending. I want the world destroyed at the end, but it wants a happy ending of my character using his powers to help people and everything to be all fine and dandy. This is a serious problem I'm consistently coming across with this software. If I could just put in some "inviolable guidelines" such as "the only other person with powers in this whole story will be his younger brother" so that it stops trying to shoehorn in it's "superhero community" thing. I don't know, it just seems like it is only trained for happy positive content and hasn't had any tragic, violent, or otherwise negative training material. I don't know, maybe put Steven Gould's book Reflex into it's database so it at least has something to go off of.

[@katrinamillings3651]

yeah, I've never had any luck with any of the AI tools. They never write the story I want no matter how detailed my prompts are. I don't know how all these people get these awesome books.

[@duesenberger]

Thanks for the video! I am using story engine for some weeks now and it is fabulous!

[@jameshightower8875]

I’ve been waiting for this! Ready to subscribe today!!! 😊😊🎉

[@sudowrite4400]

Super excited for you!!

[@holdthetruthhostage]

One Major thing it needs is voice to text

[@Fuchsia_tude]

That feels out of scope for this company. You can use any voice->text input system you like, though.

[@rayvin79]

Is Elizabeth still with Sudowrite?

[@sudowrite4400]

She'll still be working with us as a consultant and teaching classes over the next couple weeks, but she's no longer with us full-time so she can devote more time to writing and teaching.

[@draverx1]

Where do we find it at?

[@bhoqeem1975]

Isn't it obvious?

[@ericweber6753]

It doesn't work.

[@kennethphotographer6974]

3,000 words per chapter, 36,000 words for 12 chapters, all in 10 minutes I don’t think 90,000 words per month will be enough 🤔 I dread hitting that 90,000 limit in one sitting, then having to wait 29 days to get another allocation of 90,000 words

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

Can you afford max plan? That's about $100-200 per month for 300,000 words.

[@TheKondar85]

if you run out of words you can always buy more, you can sell them in blocks that carry over till your next month. also, make sure you use all your words each month as they don't roll over.

[@kennethphotographer6974]

@@thehoneybunempress1664 $1,200 per year is a lot of money for me

[@kennethphotographer6974]

@@TheKondar85 How much are the extra words?

[@AProlificAuthor]

I’m using it and the quality of the writing that it generates is better than most authors. I was also surprised to see that it remembers character names from previous books.

[@blueskye2790]

Can you let me know if the story logic sustains from chapter to chapter? With some of these AI apps, the first chapter or two are precise, and then buildup from chapter to chapter is lost.

[@AProlificAuthor]

@@blueskye2790 it has been on the most recent books I’ve worked on. There’s a chance that is because they updated it because it has veered off in the past.

[@christiannilsen2835]

How to pass ai detectors for a whole book like this to be able to sell on kdp and not risk the account?

[@JasonCodreanu]

If you have an original story, original characters, and original dialogue, there shouldn't be an issue. Sudowite, and any AI writing tool is an assistant, not an author. If you use it to do 100% of the work then it's not your work - selling it would be the definition of plagiarism.

[@blueskye2790]

@@JasonCodreanu But the point of story engine is that the AI is writing the story for you. Hence the question about the copyright issue is valid.

[@WillBrownAuthor]

KDP has not public stated a stance on AI content. Their published guidelines for content are that authors are publishing quality content. You will have no issues publishing AI assisted or generated content as long as there aren't issues readers will complain about. There are no proven tools for AI detection at this point.

[@JasonCodreanu]

@@blueskye2790 Watch the video again. It's actually repeated a few times that story engine is a writer assistant. It's not an author.

[@jessicasblack]

It's more like a fast draft tool. You're going to need editing and rewrites.

[@voidDia]

if you look into my eyes you can see it looking back

[@voidDia]

Sudowrite is so bullshit

[@voidDia]

I'm not a writer but this is so bullshit I hate it

[@SuperConfidentman]

Here's a story. If you use AI you might find it familiar. "Oliver was a young boy who hated literature. As he walked toward the library he marveled at the the marvelous sunset as the sun dropped below the horizon in the village of Ravenswood. With unwavering determination, Oliver entered the library, his footsteps muffled by the carpet. He was greeted by the wise old librarian, her glasses perched on her nose. Oliver's fingers ran over the leather spines of weathered old tomes. He selected a book and opened it. The pages (yellowed by time) crackled as he turned them. He was unwavering in his mission to uncover the secrets of Revenswood, bring the evil Blackwood to justice and appease the mayor. Little did he know, the mayor had other ideas."... I could go on. Sorry if I stole your words. But... you stole mine first... hang on...

[@dakforest5344]

NOO!! Not another Testament to blah-bla-blah... I can't take any more testaments!

[@dakforest5344]

That's a GPT4 signature if I ever saw one.

[@JasonCodreanu]

And Cacophony. And chills running down spines. There's a lot.

[@yonathor]

And using "Echo(es)" in titles (of chapters).

[@robert5008]

Word of caution when it comes to the AI writing the story from the Beats Outline. It will not follow the outline. The AI will go "Rouge" and make a right turn off the outline and won't even be close to what the program had written in it's own outline. So why is this import you ask? Well when you have lets say 90k words to use that you have paid for. For every word it writes for you goes against the number whether you use them or not. So if the AI writes 2 beats of junk that you have to erase that's est 3k of words wasted off your 90k total. Sudowrite makes money selling you words so it's in their best interest to sell word packages. They need the AI to waste your word count to sell you more words. The only way to force the AI to follow it's own Beat outline is to bracket each line in the outline [Bracket like this] Another thing to be careful is that by chapter 10 the AI just goes dumb and forgets what is in your story up to that point so again a lot of wasted words against your word count to correct.

[@acousticdoodling4765]

That's a cool idea, but the actual writing is cheesy and lacks strong characterization or voice. It's quite terrible honestly, even for a very first rough draft.

[@ShellBryson]

Be very wary of sharing _any_ writing with it as you do not know where it may end up. They have already been caught in multiple instances of suggesting other writers' prose in responses. Be very, very cautious (as with any AI solution).

[@jamesjyu]

Sudowrite does not train the model on any of our writers manuscripts. We use the base GPT and Claude models under the hood.

[@JasonCodreanu]

I wish Sudowrite had gone with Claude instead of GPT-4. GPT-4 is a terrible fiction writer, even with great prompting.

[@jamesjyu]

We are using a combination of gpt and claude

[@madzlove5255]

​@James Yu can you please fix story engine so when making the 2nd chapter and the chapters down the line it doesn't steer off of the story and everything.

[@JasonCodreanu]

@@madzlove5255 the AIs memory is determined by token limit. You can think of tokens like words or letters, though not precisely. Currently Claude can handle 100k tokens, while GPT-4 has 32k (if I'm not mistaken). If Sudowrite really is utilizing Claude, it shouldn't be impossible to recall a previous chapter in future development. I'm not in any way associated with Sudowrite so don't take my words as gospel.

[@madzlove5255]

@Jason Codreanu oh okay do you think they'll develop it more to where it doesn't steer off anymore? I mean it is new. Sudowrite isn't new but story engine is so I hope they really do further develop it if they really are using claude

[@JasonCodreanu]

@@madzlove5255 This tech is moving so fast, it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the next few months, ai will be able to recall an entire series of novels consistently. It may even be able to point out plot-holes and inconsistencies before it outputs content. But as of right now, token limits are very real. Tokens are why these companies charge for their services to begin with. Memory and context cost money to process, and no small amount.

[@andrewshelton2028]

Sweet, we're slowly killing human creative intelligence. So awesome.

[@buckrogers5703]

Oh... really bad news for writers... they will have to compete with thousands and thousands of "sudo called writers" now... thanks !

[@katrinamillings3651]

I'm not worried. AI cannot begin to create and grow a compelling character people fall in love with. It's very generic, boring writing. You'll still have to edit and put your own spin on it to make it worth anything.

[@biancamyrtil199]

@@katrinamillings3651 For now...

[@1verstapp]

i can see this being incorporated into the next version of clippy. [user types 'the']. ''it looks like you are trying to write 'the great american novel.' perhaps you would like some help with that...''