Introducing the F-Zero Camera

[@hvip4]

Respect for giving credit to DIY perks, absolutely fine that you're providing a (hopefully😉) reliable option for people who don't want to tinker themselves. Good luck with your campaign.

[@SoftYoda]

Yep, the "that's why we made" well, they didn't created, and it was DIY perks who designed it before (and maybe also others)

[@Rwdphotos]

This is neat, but ya'll really need to can the "break the laws of physics" line. It's incredibly cringey and just sounds like an obvious overdramatic sales pitch. You're taking advantage of physics, not breaking it.

[@Justas49]

Breaking is for full frame to have this impossible dof

[@Rwdphotos]

@ literally not impossible, as seen here. They use a different optics system with its own strengths and weaknesses. It’s another tool in the bag, not a magic wand.

[@Justas49]

@@Rwdphotos i call this impossible for 35mm camera because it is capturing screen of large format camera. So is this 35mm camera became large format camera now?

[@Rwdphotos]

@ this isn’t a large format camera per se. This is a different optics system than typical large format cameras. Being able to attach a 35mm camera to a large format system doesn’t change anything other than effective field of view, and the same would happen here if the projection circle is large enough to accommodate larger formats.

[@TheDigitalGuerrilla]

Diy perks should be "proud" of you

[@fzerocamera]

Both DIYPerks and The Media Division did awesome one-off versions of this concept (that's why we credit them in the video description, AND on our website, AND in our Kickstarter campaign). However there has NEVER been a commercial product you could buy to shoot these kinds of photos for yourself. Until now, it's been a long slog of hunting for vintage gear and specialty items, and trying to cobble it all together in the hopes that it'll take a picture. F-Zero Camera is the first turnkey solution to do this. We are happy to credit our inspirations, and recognize that this concept has been around a long time (MUCH longer than either DIYPerks or the Media Division, as both creators will be quick to tell you).

[@ciba20]

question of time chinese companies make ripoffs…

[@Magic99000]

​@fzerocamera I completely agree. The fact your company was able to commercialize a complex DIY project because you made it more accessible and convenient for the average consumer should be celebrated. You translated intricate steps into a ready-to-use product, providing value by saving users time and the potential cost of errors. This should be considered acceptable because it expands the reach of the original idea, most definitely benefits the community, and fosters innovation and growth. I think being honest about your inspirations and even going so far to talk about diy solutions is more than fair. If the sources that inspired you to do this had an end product like this in mind for mass distribution they had every opportunity to do so.

[@sacyrus]

Wow I remember seeing DIY perks make the prototype of this on his channel a while ago, it's cool that someone is actually manufacturing the design!

[@TomeRodrigo]

"DIY Perks" made a video about this type of system 10 months ago. His video is called "Building a Next-Level Camera". PS: Only after writing this I see your descriptions :D

[@fzerocamera]

Haha, no problem. Yeah we were inspired by the work of others. You should DEFINITELY watch the Media Division video as well. They do amazing work there as well.

[@scotdotwtf]

NOOO!!!! THE TONEH!!!!! YOUR FAMILY NEEDS YOU!!!! YOU'RE STOPPING OUT OF THIS WORLD TONEH!!!!

[@Ihyabond009]

“Your family, they miss you they can’t see you, they don’t know where you are, they’ve been trying to locate you but the backgrounds too blurry”

[@EmirhanSanl4]

i lost my mother and my father to toneh. But 50mm 0.9f where only my nose tip in focus looks amazing

[@scotdotwtf]

@@Ihyabond009 🤣

[@scotdotwtf]

@@EmirhanSanl4 truly worth all the tonehs 🙏

[@garyhamilton182]

Very interesting DOF adapter. I have been following Olexiy Bo Shportun for going on two years since i first found an article describing his digital camera obscura work. I have been playing with my iwn 8X10 DOF adapter and have been dealing with the hot spot on the ground glass. This looks like a very good ready made system.

[@fzerocamera]

Thank you Gary! We are SO EXCITED to finally be bringing this to life.

[@garyhamilton182]

@@fzerocamera good deal. I especially like that this camera breaks down into fitted components with a case. I can see hiking out with it packed up. The one I made is one big old cumbersome unit that, with tripod weighs in about 35 pounds and is awkward. Be nice if the front standard had some movement, like tilt and swing, but it's fine like it is. I am curious if the $949 camera comes with the shown lens? Will it be ready to use out of the box?

[@fzerocamera]

@@garyhamilton182 YES, the "Full Camera Kit" includes the Objective Lens shown. It's maybe hard to catch in the short text list at the end of the video. But on the Kickstarter campaign it's a little clearer, we have each bundle broken down in images. You could potentially do a y-axis swing, but we wouldn't really recommend it. You'd be affixing the standard only by one bolt in the center, allowing it to swivel. We prioritized rock-solid stability, which makes it more robust in general, and also better for video work. THANK YOU for your interest! If you like the $949 price, make sure to reserve an Earlybird spot at www.fzerocamera.com/reserve

[@GraflexGuy]

OMG, they're serious... I thought this was a prank for almost the whole video

[@fzerocamera]

You can see images from the final production product here. Whether it's your cup of tea or not, there's no denying it's a distinctive look. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maOYmmVrfdekaa8

[@renemuller5823]

You did not get around the laws of physics !

[@markmalasics3413]

Exactly.

[@bojcio]

This is brilliant, I'd love to have this, its right up my alley. However the Fzero system itself costs 2.2K€, but then you need a rail system which is not included and a solid heavy duty tripod or other platform to mount it on which essentially doubles the price. Its 5K that I can't afford. But this is literally my dream setup. Oh well.

[@ShardCollector]

F 0.3 sounds like something you can shoot in very low light. Is this only for depth of field, while the main camera lens and sensor decides the light sensitivity?

[@fzerocamera]

Unfortunately this is NOT a new low-light king. It shoots light more like f8 or T8. The primary benefit is the shallow depth of field. Yes, the taking camera is what you use to set exposure. You can find more common questions and answers at www.fzerocamera.com/FAQ

[@ershenlin1774]

@@fzerocamera I prefer my Canon 50 mm/f1.4 than this stuff.

[@Scotian280]

@@ershenlin1774good luck getting the same results

[@rolandkarlsson7072]

@@ershenlin1774 There is a huge difference between F1.4 and F0.3.

[@satan5259]

what a cool project, keeping all my fingers and toes crossed this will reach a huge audience! Also obligatory joke about Nintendo lawyers.

[@ChampagneSocialist]

Interesting. The principle appears to be similar to the P+S Technik Pro35 which allowed a 35mm depth of field on a 2/3” broadcast camera long before Alexa and Red existed. That adapter was sometimes referred to as a “flip” because the image projected onto the ground glass was inverted and therefore you had to “flip” the image internally with the camera’s recording options. I’m assuming this f0 design also needs to be flipped? There’s an interesting film from called “Bellflower” which screened at Sundance 2011. It was shot with a home-made bellows lens similar to yours with the SI-2K camera. Check it out. Looks amazing.

[@xfrench]

So, If I drop a buck for a reservation, would that be good for the parts kit as well? Beyond getting my own lens (and slider) what other bits would I need for the kit? Are the bellows included in the kit? You can tell I'm interested in the some assembly required option...

[@fzerocamera]

Yes, a reservation will guarantee you Earlybird access to the reward level of your choice. As shown in the video, Bellows are NOT part of the DIY Bundle, just the parts stated. There will also be images on Kickstarter to very clearly show which parts come with which bundle.

[@vayate24]

Cool rig. There is a far simpler way to get nearly the same results however: by using the original blackmagic pocket or micro and adding the 0.58x metabones speedbooster plus a nikon Nikkor f 1.2 nighttime photography lens you can get to f 0.74 at an incredibly small package. Pulling focus is gonna be an issue though

[@keantoken6433]

Will there be a tilt-shift adapter?

[@lbochtler]

Should have been in the front standard from the start. With large format photography its basically a must have.

[@RGeorgephoto]

Sorry, I have a lot of questions; What sort of coatings and colour fringing correction have you put in place in the lens design? I have an old sinar 4x5 with a lens hood that attaches onto the rail would this fit or is a lens hood included/ available. I mainly shoot with medium format, is the image circle large enough to cover the whole sensor or would there be a lot of vignetting, can this be changed by the lens used when mounting a camera? What is the ideal focal length to get as large an image circle as possible? Have medium format cameras been tested with the F Zero?

[@fzerocamera]

Don't be sorry, that's what I'm here for! The current lenses in the reward options are adapted from the existing projector world. We didn't develop them from the ground up, so I'm not sure exactly what formulas they use, but I can tell you we didn't do ANY fringing correction for the demo footage - so what you see there will be the worst-case scenario. Also, we ARE developing some additional options based on very good Tessar formulas, which we hope to launch in Q4 2023 or Q1 2024. Old 4x5 lenses will not be appropriate for the F-Zero Camera. The Intermediate Sensor there is an 8x10 setup, so 4x5 lenses will not cover nearly enough of the image. I'm not sure whether any of your existing 4x5 accessories like lens hoods would fit, but I'm guessing that with a little DIY work something might be possible.

[@scotdotwtf]

toneh would be proud

[@Ihyabond009]

"Why did you take us to the lake and hide it?"

[@peterrenn6341]

Ye cannae break the laws of physics Jim!

[@jamescaldwell5]

So the first lens projects an image onto the center panel, and then your camera is set up to take a picture of that center panel? Is the center panel basically like a thin piece of frosted glass or plastic? Seems very interesting.

[@fzerocamera]

Yep, you're understanding it correctly. The "intermediate sensor" or "intermediate projection" as you might call it, is a stack of several elements, the center of which is a high-resolution ground glass developed specifically for this purpose. In this video you're seeing the prototype, which was a more off the shelf glass, which is why you can see substantial grain in some shots. If you look at our demo footage from the production camera, you'll see what the HD glass can do. There are also fresnel lens sheets to help combat vignetting, and clear glass outer layers to keep everything protected and dust-free.

[@Lebenslangerschicksalsschatz.]

Ooooooh, It's like the one DIY Perks made 😮

[@GabrielScindian]

This is amazing

[@fzerocamera]

Thank you Gabriel!

[@jonathanhotopf1823]

Just wondered about the fresnel lens and how visible this is in the final image? Looks highly engineered, I’m putting together a camera myself for a 600 mm F6.3 aerial reconnaissance lens, have to build it myself as the lens is too big for any regular LF camera.

[@fzerocamera]

Hi Jonathan, so that will depend on how you build it. In the demo system I built (see this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4LceIiNeKaXitk) - the Fresnel sheet is right up against the ground glass. In that case it's somewhat visible, but only at high magnification. As you can see in the demo footage taken from that system (see this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/maOYmmVrfdekaa8) even at 4k resolution (8 Megapixels) it's not visible. But I kept the demo system that way to have the fewest possible layers and the least possible dust. If your priorities are different (such as, no fresnel lines at 32+ MP), you might want to use one of the included glass sheets to space the fresnel lens away from the ground glass.

[@portblock]

What is the resolving power? If I put my phaseone 100mp camera on the back, will I be able to resolve eyelashes on a full body photo or will just get details of the intermediate screen??

[@fzerocamera]

So, we have not measured the resolving power in a lab setting. On the one hand, we did work very hard to create a very high-resolution ground glass which is superior to any other we've seen on the market, and in fact much higher resolution than what you see in the demo video. On the other hand, I cannot promise any particular resolution and overall this system is not primarily about resolution, but rather about a unique look that cannot be achieved in any other way. If pixel-peeping is your concern, perhaps this camera is not for you. What the F-Zero Camera offers is an image unlike anything else you've ever seen, even if your 600% crop isn't as sharp as on a Phase One.

[@portblock]

@@fzerocamera Cool, I thank you for the reply. I understand its more about a look, but i was curious to the extent of the look. Looking forward to knowing more as it progresses

[@fzerocamera]

@@portblock we do have a 45 megapixel RAW comparison you can check out, which is in our website's FAQ. It compares Canon's 50mm f1.2 RF L lens against the F-Zero camera, although that is using our older lower-resolution glass. In my opinion it compares favorably. And the production hardware should be capable of even greater resolution.

[@portblock]

@@fzerocamera great thank you!

[@peterrenn6341]

This can also be done by capturing the reflected image off a Matt white screen so no issues with texture. A guy called Zev Hoover made a DIY one (and lovely little demo film) about 10 years ago.

[@wallpaperviking]

So I have just seen that you will need to include a "Linear Slider" as extra. Why would you just not include this and alter the price? Do you have a link and price to the one used in your video? Thanks

[@fzerocamera]

Sorry for any confusion - this is just the campaign's intro video, without all the extra info you'd see alongside when it launches later this month. There are many different potential setups people might want, so we leave that part to the customer. And yes, we have exact links to what we used on the demo setup (which is about $150 total from a company called OpenBuilds).

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera Thanks! I appreciate the response.. Look forward to more details :)

[@verebellus]

a "problem" i noticed is that the "intermediate sensor" has a non changing grain to it, so every shot, every frame has the exact same grain to it, which kinda looks like a cheap filter applied in post. And you can achieve results closing in on this by going with telephoto lenses, in which the 500mm objetive lens already is

[@fzerocamera]

You're right that the grain was pronounced on the prototype. But go see the production glass - it's extremely high resolution and one of the unique components we sell that you can't find anywhere else. You're right that a 500mm will provide the same depth of field, but NOT the same field of view. This setup gives you a much wider angle FOV, for different compositions and a different look entirely from what you can get with a long lens.

[@andyvan5692]

wow, quite interesting, reminds me of a fully extended sinar f2 or P2 system, with two bellows plus the intermediate standard, and the wide bellows on the back!, a great macro setup, as this is the 'why' in the physics breaking, you are not technically breaking the laws, you are using the second principle of scheimflug ( tilting the standard planes), so the dof box is warped, to align this plane with the subject plane, hence no need for wide apatures; PS the reason we Don't go beyond f 1.2 is simple, FOCUS, the dof is sooo shallow we can't manually focus a view camera, or 135 camera ! it is physically impossible, esp. with the pitch of gearing in the helix of lens mounts, or view camera focus racks to do any finer movement (necissary to achieve this focus). another reason is that iris size is proportionate to max apature, so the glass quality, weight, etc. would be too big, like a movie theatre projector lens!, to get that f number.

[@wallpaperviking]

How much does this weigh? I could not see anything with regards to this? Also, is the slider width Arca Swiss compatible? Do you have a link to the ProAim head that it is attached to? Thanks! :)

[@fzerocamera]

The final setup will depend on which taking camera you select, what slider you want to use, etc. However, you should expect something in the 20lb+ range. Again, this stuff is in the campaign details, I'm sorry it's not clearer just via the intro video, which is meant to be short and to the point. Our Gantry Plate and Lens Carrier (the two parts which attach to the slider) have tons of holes for mounting to just about anything you could possibly want. The prototype setup was an old Linhof tripod, then on top of that was an Arri Dovetail Baseplate (made by Proaim), and we used a dovetail clamp on the bottom of our slider to act as a quick release onto that Baseplate. We will get into LOTS of technical videos, explanations, setup examples, etc, once we have final production equipment in place. We didn't want to make those videos using our prototype, as there will be some changes between now and production, and we wanted to avoid confusion by showing prototype gear if it doesn't work 100% the same as the production equipment.

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera Thanks! I appreciate the response.. Look forward to more details :)

[@andrewskiBaba-q1i]

Do you sell a kit so I can use my sinar camera and its movements ?

[@fzerocamera]

We do sell the kits, which are in stock and shipping now. It's possible to adapt vintage lenses onto the front. But the rest of the kit is designed as a self-contained system, and not necessarily meant to be compatible with other large-format parts. At least not out of the box. But perhaps you could adapt the F-Zero Camera to some Sinar parts with a bit of work.

[@FelanLP]

So, it's NOT an f/0 lens, but an f/0.3 I already saw another diy solution. But I am interested to see how this turnes out.

[@fzerocamera]

You can see how it turned out. It's now in production and available for purchase. See the other videos on our channel for more info and demos!

[@mikafoxx2717]

f0 would be infinite size, so obviously not. Just means in the partial range.

[@FelanLP]

@@mikafoxx2717 I know. And with a "direct" lense, f0.5 would be the physical limit, if I remember correctly, which is why 0.7 is often seen as the hol grqil umong lenses. 0.3 only being possible since you don't look through the lense directly.

[@mikafoxx2717]

@@FelanLP The F0.7 was an F1 lens with a speed booster optic built in, which isn't too far off from what's happening here, though a tad higher quality build

[@FelanLP]

@@mikafoxx2717 I see. Tbf 0.95 is the lowest I have seen in a lense natively. Even though I would argue that 0.95 might only be advertisement too, and is actually just turning the aparture ring a smudge too far. Like focusing past infinity. Or so.

[@VacatedData]

cant wait to be able to focus specifically on the front face of a slice of cheese

[@TSAlpha2933]

what's the focal range?

[@badreality2]

Falcon PAAAUNCH!!! 🔥

[@Studio23creation]

I dunno why, but this actually gives the image a "cheap" look. Maybe because for cinema they rarely shoot at 1,5, but most of the time T4 to T8. and wide opening is widely used by amateurs.

[@quantenklon]

Wow - a large format camera, affordable for me! Please include an aperture - yes?

[@wallpaperviking]

Good one, have been playing around with this for many years… Do the lenses have an aperture? I would this this is necessary, particularly for video work. Any chance of seeing a front standard that enables movements? I am mainly interested in stills, any chance of seeing some RAW files? A bit hard to assess image quality… Thanks 😃

[@fzerocamera]

Thanks for your interest! The objective lens doesn't have its own iris - after all, the whole point here is to be able to exploit the unique look of an ultra-low effective f-stop. HOWEVER, you very easily have control over exposure. As you can see in our test shots, we have everything from bright outdoor scenes to firelight-only shots. You use the taking camera to control exposure. And for VIDEO, it's actually extremely interesting because the aperture of the lens on your TAKING camera essentially acts like an ND filter. That is, no matter the aperture you use to capture the intermediate sensor, the depth of field won't change. Your exposure simply gets brighter or darker. So our demo shots were taken with our taking lens set to anything from about f2 to about f8, depending on the scene. I apologize if this is confusing, we will have LOTS more info and technical demonstrations once we have final production equipment. We don't want to get into making all those videos just yet, as there will be some small revisions between the prototype and production gear to make things better and more universal, and we want to demonstrate using final equipment only. No RAW files yet for the same reason; we want to show off only our best final gear in order to avoid any confusion. I hope this is helpful!

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera Thanks for the reply.. Cannot fully agree with you, an aperture would be very nice to have, especially if you are talking video. The DOF is so shallow must be a nightmare to even attempt pulling focus. As long as other lenses with an aperture are able to be placed on the front (I see you have lens boards) then that should be ok.. Any chance of seeing a front standard that has tilt/swing? Thanks!

[@fzerocamera]

@@wallpaperviking Well, I come more from a stills background, and only recently have been dipping my toe into the world of video. But I found it pretty easy to rack focus for this demo footage. And as you can see many of them involve either racking to the subject (shots of the cars, or the painting) or racking through objects (the spraypaint cans). I'm not an experienced focus puller, but it seemed to work for me. I was just monitoring on relatively inexpensive 7-inch field monitor (which displays at 1080p by the way) and it seemed to work well. In terms of tilt/shift, in our testing those kinds of things really compromised the stability and robustness of the system. You get a LOT of wobble/vibrations when there are tilt/swing mechanisms in place. The guys at Media Division noticed the same thing on their setup. So instead, we designed the F-Zero to be rock solid specifically so that it WOULD be more usable for video. We can whip pan, tilt, whatever, everything stays solid. You can still potentially get a y-axis tilt by only affixing the standards via one center bolt, allowing them to swivel. But you'd need to be careful as they're designed to be locked down with three bolts. Thanks for your feedback!

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera Fair enough, I have realised from playing around with such a system that there is always a compromise in there somewhere ;) I have reserved an early spot and wish you the best with the Kickstarter funding.. With regards to the two lenses available (67mm f0.6 and 39mm 0.5) do you need a separate 810 frame/glass/collimator to match each lens? My understand of Fresnel lenses is that they need to ideally be matched to the Large Format focal length.. ie a 300mm Large Format lens needs a 300mm fresnel lens. The two lenses you offer are quite a distance apart in terms of focal length, so I imagine you cannot use the same Fresnel.. Thanks! :)

[@fzerocamera]

@@wallpaperviking we use only a single sensor assembly for both lenses. I believe the focal length is around 400mm or so, and works well for both lenses. There is a small amount of vignetting left over on either setup, but it's easily corrected out as you can see.

[@MichaelLevAstro]

So the "F-Zero Camera", and its only a lens, no camera... Very cool, after DIY perks video about this i always wanted to try it out, but sourcing the right lenses is a bit too much of a burden.

[@_haru_na]

F-Zero sounds like a cool name too.

[@maumania]

Is it you @DIYPerks?

[@flikflak24]

i could easily see it be modded/used for a scanner camera if the lens is sharp enough and the mid panel/screen had a fine enough texture well being semi transparent

[@rebbel67]

Can one use it for astrophotography?

[@nightthemoon8481]

why would you wanna do that? astro is already an effectively infinitely far flat plane that's already really hard to perfectly focus on, this is not improving the actual light intake of the camera and just adding more blur so it's nothing but detrimental to astro, even if it's cool for other stuff

[@ArthurFellig]

This is a cool tool, but I think that this is false advertising. The camera is f4.5, which is plenty shallow. This thing just takes a picture of the image that the camera produces. Am I wrong?

[@fzerocamera]

Perhaps you're missing the meaning of "equivalent." In this case, we're shooting a large format 500mm f4 lens onto an 8x10 intermediate projection. Then we're shooting that image with a digital camera at the back of the system. If you wanted a native full-frame lens that had the same field of view and same depth of field, you'd need a 67mm f0.5 lens, which of course does not exist. You can run these calculations yourself at the excellent online calculator made by Points in Focus, here: pointsinfocus.com/tools/depth-of-field-and-equivalent-lens-calculator/

[@ArthurFellig]

​@@fzerocamera That makes sense. So the name refers to the effective depth of field rather than it's light gathering capacity. How do you meter for it when you are using it?

[@nindoninshu]

@@ArthurFellig f-stop: f/0.5 t-stop: ~t/8 (according to the company) t-stop is the measurement to use when determining how much light is actually reaching the sensor

[@mostlymessingabout]

​@@ArthurFellig TTL metering on DSLR / Mirrorless or any camera is fine

[@itsskin]

How do you deal with vignetting on the ground glass?

[@fzerocamera]

The sensor assembly includes a collimator setup (fresnel lens sheets).

[@itsskin]

@@fzerocamera Great! On one, or both sides of the ground glass? Are they customized for 2 lens you are offering, or same focal length for both lens?

[@fzerocamera]

@@itsskin in the prototype setup there are two, and they are both BEHIND the ground glass, which helps us eliminate any artifacts from the grooves. We are continuing to refine this feature, so production may be slightly different, but that's how we did it for all the demo shots.

[@fzerocamera]

Oh, and yes they are an ideal fit for the two lenses we are offering; the focal length is somewhere between the two lenses, such that both lenses work well. There is mild vignetting which is easily corrected out.

[@itsskin]

@@fzerocamera Interesting design! Thx! Will reserve one ;)

[@P134-i3p]

Hunting for a large enough fresnel lens (at a good price) is a task in itself

[@thepropolys]

Will this work with anamorphic lenses?

[@fzerocamera]

I assume you mean an anamorphic taking lens. Yes, any taking lens will work. However, you aren't going to get any of the bokeh characteristics of the anamorphic. That's because what the TAKING LENS focuses on is just the plane of the Intermediate Sensor - it's all "in focus" as far as the taking lens is concerned. Basically you are taking a picture of a picture. So things like character, flare, anamorphic arrays, none of them contribute to the final image in this context.

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera If you can find an Anamorphic attachment bigger enough to cover the Large Format lens, then you should get anamorphic characteristics.. I have tried this on my 5x4 camera.. The issue is finding one bigger enough.

[@fzerocamera]

@@wallpaperviking sounds like you're talking about an anamorphic OBJECTIVE LENS, where I think Mr. White was asking about the Taking Lens (that's what most people are curious about). They generally want to know something like "if I put an anamorphic lens at the back, will I have an effective f0.5 anamorphic setup?" and the answer is basically "no." You are suggesting something else - putting one up front and using it as our Objective Lens. However, I'm not aware of any anamorphic lenses which will cover our 8x10 Intermediate Sensor.

[@wallpaperviking]

@@fzerocamera Yes, that is what I am talking about.. I am also talking about Anamorphic Projection lenses. ie Kowa or Sankor etc etc. They basically just enlarge the taking lens from about 85mm and up ( full frame equivalent). Not sure about 8x10 but have tried it on 5x4 and it works. Like I said, it would be about finding an Anamorphic attachment that is bigger enough or an 8 x 10 lens that is smaller enough, otherwise you will get pretty extreme vignetting..

[@disco.jellyfish]

As a film maker I generally think that you hardly ever need an aperture lower than T2.2-ish. But especially for extra slomos in darker situations and for some very special shots, such a setup can be that very situational cherry ontop.

[@fzerocamera]

Everyone has their own preferences as far as look. Some filmmakers don't like to stop down if they can avoid it. Others don't like to shoot wide open unless they have to. It's a matter of taste, for sure. Note that the F-Zero is NOT a low-light camera. The depth of field is equivalent to f0.6 (with the stock lens), but the light collection is more like T8 due to losses in the projection setup.

[@Shuttterbugg]

There's .95 prime lenses

[@brettalexander.studio]

Do you still use the in camera lens to focus or do you set it to infinity and slide the F zero to focus?

[@fzerocamera]

Great question. The taking camera lens needs to focus on the intermediate sensor, which is approximately 17 inches away. So you need a relatively close-focus lens. Once it's set, you can switch the taking camera to manual focus to ensure it won't drift or get confused. At that point, focus is achieved by sliding the F-Zero components. We will have PLENTY of good explanatory materials once we get to production. We just didn't want to do them right now, as some minor things change between prototype and production, and we want to ensure we're demonstrating production equipment. Does all that make sense?

[@brettalexander.studio]

@F-Zero Camera very exciting!!I got me wondering if there potentially could be a modular focus pulling system similar to a slider? I'm really excited about this project ☺️

[@fzerocamera]

@@brettalexander.studio yes! it can actually work with any existing slider as long as that slider can accept the weight load. And we have plans to develop something a little more integrated down the road.

[@jmalmsten]

I think I'll start to pivot towards deep DoF photography just to stand out from the crowd.

[@tiltoll]

i really have to say that it would be much more useful to have this system (the Back end) apliied to existig analog large format cameras so we can finally digitize full frame large format fotos. (no, 20k digibacks are not an option).

[@brettalexander.studio]

Wow! I'm very excited! I'll be an early bird! Will there eventually be accessories for this to make it easier for rigging other accessories? I'm imagining a large cage that allows you to carry camera and lens together as well as add other accessories!

[@fzerocamera]

Thanks Brett! We are so excited to see the positive response for the F-Zero Camera. YES, we absolutely foresee building a larger ecosystem of parts for the camera. HOWEVER, you won't even have to wait for us to act; all outer surfaces are covered in standard 1/4-inch threaded holes. So you can already attach pretty much anything you like. For some of the test shots, I had a monitor mounted to the rear lens carrier. You could easily mount a NATO rail and then any handle on the market. The possibilities already exist, and we're definitely interested to develop more of them.

[@Ihyabond009]

Ah yes, the Toneh Camera

[@alphascorpii185]

Perfect for selfies...

[@nick_salazar]

In fact I DID take some selfies ;-) The opening image (guy leaning against fence) is me; anywhere you see that guy in the video is somewhere I took a selfie. I know you were joking, but it's possible haha.

[@alphascorpii185]

@@nick_salazar Hi Nick, Yes it was a joke, of course. By the way I have a Sinar P2 camera and I tried to take selfies with the camera on a broomstick. It was fun but with a f8 lens the result was a bit... strange... I guess with your setup it could be way better. Your project is very interesting.

[@latfab]

Beautifully made project! You should shoot machining process with the camera. I also made version using Industar-37, but my version is a loooot more "ghetto" looking: kzbin.infovliwcGLASZM

[@k.s.8959]

to bad the laws of physics still apply to me when i would have to carry this around

[@musicmaker11]

Interesting idea but I can't see myself lugging this this around.

[@Wanking_wanker]

Yeah, this is awesome

[@fzerocamera]

Thank you!

[@mackinzie]

Can you be held liable for not actually breaking physics?

[@mistercohaagen]

Or, use the lasso and the blur tool.

[@wildmano1965]

Please tell me this is a joke. Who on God's green earth wants to tote that thing around? Oh, right. There is this dude named Mathew Brady. He's back from the dead and he wants to back your campaign.

[@ジキシン]

I have 8 Bit music in my head

[@PranavBhasin]

Tacky

[@tortisrot]

It doesn't look good when you have a lens behind a lens. If you can show the lens directly mounted to a camera (with no intermediate lens), this will look much more appealing

[@Humcrush]

Cool...but not a "camera". It needs not only a camera, but a camera and another lens. It's a DOF adapter.

[@andrewskiBaba-q1i]

Pretty sure a cheap field camera and lens and adapter for sale will achieve similar results

[@fzerocamera]

As far as I know there is no other system which will allow digital capture of large format images. Perhaps you feel that something else is "close enough," but for those who want to get the large format image on modern digital cameras, there's no other commercially-available method.

[@andrewskiBaba-q1i]

@@fzerocamera there have been dslr adapters for large format cameras for decades now. But I guess your system is a bit more blurry , but it’s just an aesthetic you have achieved, but it seems inflexible. As in no aperture or movements so it’s a one trick pony. Adapting to a field camera gives a lot more choice

[@fzerocamera]

@@andrewskiBaba-q1i if there's an easier way to shoot 8x10 images on digital, I'd love to know about them! I build this system specifically because there isn't any other option (other than the $100k+ specialty sensor from LargeSense). Perhaps it isn't something you want, and that's fine! But to say there are alternatives is simply incorrect.

[@basukisugito3275]

Looks the same with 400mm 5.6

[@fzerocamera]

It's very similar, except that you're at different distances, and getting a different field of view. With this camera, you get the 400mm look, but with a 67mm field of view.

[@kastro4460]

Sad this doesn't involve any kind of high-speed futuristic hovercar racing

[@diegod.7949]

then we go back to the 20s with a bellows camera? 😂 Looks like agfa belows

[@spinbastianvettel5477]

can we vlog with this lens??

[@MartinKusyn]

you coud at least provide complete solution - your "full camera kit" package doesn't iclude bellows nor the rail...

[@SMGJohn]

Ultimate 3D pop camera

[@caleidoo]

You need basic sharpness for basic 3D pop.

[@danielarmstrong2144]

ngl, these images dont look too far off a regular 85mm f1.2. Seems pretty pointless to make your camera this unwieldily for images that aren't that crazy.

[@pedromiguelcosta9626]

Amazing product - Super I liked it very much Available to do a review - Thanks my friend

[@ugpfpv361]

TOO MUCH TONEH!!! Might as well just do a green screen

[@mr702s]

Marketing wording here needs work. It's not a physics issue with lenses, it's a business decision. And this is not "getting around" the issue, it is simply how it can work without using multiple very expensive to produce lens elements to achieve similar results. That's based on the videos you wrote you were inspired by to create this bellows with a projector lens project.

[@fzerocamera]

Hi David, I'm sorry you don't like our language. But I'm going to disagree with you that it isn't accurate. I assume you're referring to the Media Division video in which Nikolas Moldenhauer describes the theoretical possibility of a lens made at 0.7, or even possibly as low as 0.5. Note that the F-Zero Camera can shoot as low as f0.3, which would indeed be a physical impossibility - that video is even called "The Impossible Lens" and they describe "getting around the laws of physics" to "capture the impossible" very similarly to how we describe it here. In fact, we even ASKED The Media Division for their permission to use that same language, to ensure they wouldn't be upset by what we're saying and the wording we used. They were happy for us to use those same words, and have seen our marketing material. Now, that leaves the possibility of the "theoretical" very low aperture lenses. There aren't merely business decisions preventing them from being made but indeed the laws of physics. As you get toward the very low aperture range in conventional lenses, the image falls apart VERY fast. There are barely any f0.95 lenses that look decent (even the legendary Leica Noctilux has HUGE chromatic abberations and other issues) ... and any of the wider lenses (certain X-ray optics from Zeiss and others) are similarly unusable as a practical matter for a wide variety of reasons. We've tested a bunch of them. It is indeed physically impossible to build a lens that produces the image that the F-Zero camera produces.

[@HouseOwl]

Why is It Always The Dumb People Who Are So "SMART" ?

[@areallyrealisticguyd4333]

this already exists it's called a sinar camera. just diy a lens board and you achieve the same thing

[@fzerocamera]

You're half right. Large-format 8x10 cameras like Sinar, Toyo, Plaubel, and others do exist, and share some structural similarities with the F-Zero Camera. We acknowledge this explicitly in our FAQ. But none of them does what this camera can do, which is to provide a workable solution for digital capture INCLUDING video. First of all, their ground glass setup won't resolve better than about 702p, if that. And try to pull focus on any of those setups and the whole thing wobbles and shakes. To have a steady, usable image for digital, F-Zero is the only solution that exists. Thanks for your interest!

[@sajkarthikeyan6711]

Wow

[@fzerocamera]

Thank you Saj!

[@sqlevolicious]

F0.3, sooo not zero then. LOL

[@theronwolf3296]

I must be in the minority, but I hate the overuse of blurred bokeh backgrounds. It seems to become a fad, a gimmick. I will take good depth of field any day. I suspect that the effect is stronger on faster, larger, more expensive lenses, so it's perceived as 'professional' My rule of thumb, depth of field in any phot should be similar to the human eye in the same situation (i.e. subtly blurred background)

[@jupitertheplanet2030]

DIY Perks made it first

[@harrismurtaza]

So you copied idea of DIY Perks

[@fzerocamera]

We love the DIYPerks project! In fact we link to them on our product page and in our campaign. This idea has been around for a long time. We are definitely not the first. But we ARE the first to bring a product to market to let people try this for themselves. Every other version requires folks to hunt for vintage gear and specialty parts and then try to cobble it all together. This is the ONLY product ever made that lets you do this in a turnkey fashion. Also, for a deep dive into the physics of all this, I HIGHLY recommend "The Impossible Lens" by The Media Division here on KZbin. We also link to them in our website and our Kickstarter campaign. We are more than happy to give credit where it's due; those two projects in particular were big inspirations for us. But they're by no means the only folks who have done things like this.

[@Bo_Hazem]

This is brilliant, especially for low light. This resembles Media Division video of f0.3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2XYq6yel6l5l9U

[@fzerocamera]

Yes this is a similar project (we credit them in the description of this video). But unfortunately this is NOT a low-light camera. It's a very-shallow-depth-of-field camera.

[@Bo_Hazem]

@@fzerocamera They're kind of the same? Compressing a much bigger circle into full frame should bring in more light? Not sure though but you guys must know it. If I consider buying it it would be for low light filmmaking, as said in the video that it has 500mm like zoom range? Maybe a Laowa 35mm f0.95 could benefit from it? Subscribed to know more details if you guys could possibly share.

[@fzerocamera]

@@Bo_Hazem neither our camera nor the Media Division project are built as low-light cameras. In each case, we're projecting a lage-format lens image onto an 8x10 intermediate surface. That surface is then photographed by a digital camera at the back of the system. It functions like a depth-of-field adapter, NOT like a speedbooster. I think you're imagining a speedbooster, which this is not.

[@Bo_Hazem]

@@fzerocamera Fair enough. Thanks for the details.

[@sashenko]

Too many tonehs

[@staceygruver1969]

I a, so tired of these “KZbin Social Photography Influencers” that try to promote so look that is not only outdated but no true professional photographer uses the cheesy way these con men and women try to explain how professionals do this. No we Don’t…

[@fzerocamera]

Well, I developed this camera because I personally DO like the look it achieves. You can call me what you like, but I've worked as a professional photographer and product developer for over 20 years. There was nothing off the shelf which would help me achieve this look, so I built it myself.

[@ВалерийЖмышенко-у6г]

So you just stole a DIY design and are trying to sell it?

[@MezeiEugen]

Calling a piece of matte, translucent piece of plastic a senzor demonstrates stupidity. Also for $2k I can buy any large format camera and if I so wish photograph its ground glass. Comes also with a real lens, not a poorly corrected projection lens.

[@mekore]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@miniatureface]

very cool, but i hate the look. a bit too much toneh for my taste. kinda makes me sick :p

[@xilefx]

must be for a nieche group of people. none of the sample footage appeals to me. I would rather get a good tele for actually good looking bokeh 🤷‍♂

[@fzerocamera]

The look isn't for everyone. But if this particular video doesn't speak to you, I'd still recommend taking a look at footage from the final production camera, which is a bit more refined: kzbin.info/www/bejne/maOYmmVrfdekaa8

[@depinder]

too late ...we have AI and photo editting tools now ;P

[@fzerocamera]

So far I've never seen one that can 1) handle the depth of a subject (i.e., as a subject moves farther from focal plane in a single shot), or 2) handle foreground elements in front of subject, or 3) handle focus racking in video, or 4) do video generally, or 5) actually look good. Other than that, if you're happy with AI blur, be my guest!