I got this exact rifle recently. I chose the Athlon HELOS BTR GEN2 2-12×42 scope as I'll be primarily hunting hog and deer. I'm still dialing my scope in, but getting .5 groups right now at 100yrds. I set my trigger down as low as it would go and getting about 2.5lb trigger pull. Definitely zero take up and crisp break. I've never had a trigger quite like this as I'm used to some take up, so that is a bit getting used to, but no complaints at all. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another rifle like this one or even better. I'll have this rifle for the rest of my life.
@kimherrick96152 жыл бұрын
I have T3s in 338WM & 300WM, I love them, tiny little groups. I have a friend that just got a 6.5CM for his wife took 2 whitetails in Michigan this year, another Tikka that shoots very accurately.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it, this thing shoots amazing groups right from the factory! That’s awesome!
@bp814 Жыл бұрын
I've had better results with scope mounting by cross torquing the clamshells to the mounts. Helps to even stress a little better. Just a tip from an old timer.
@leonardogarcia25062 жыл бұрын
For a much better and lighter trigger pull, I used a M carbo trigger spring. I highly recommend it!!!! I was able to adjust it down to 2 lbs with the trigger screw threaded in a lot. Best part is it was only $12. Huge upgrade for a tikka.
@stevelerch27 Жыл бұрын
Just wondering why you don't mount the scope without a rail? Is it spacing? The rail just adds one more step and one more thing to loosen.
@austinharris27322 жыл бұрын
Sweet new model! I ran a T3X Stainless from 2015-2020, love the new color scheme! Keep up the great content Jeff, as a gear junkie I love product reviews!👍🏻
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Haha they might be my favorite videos to make! Us gear junkies may have a problem 😂
@austinharris27322 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild Tikka have this in 26 or 28 Nosler? 280 Ackley would be sweet too but that won’t happen I’m sure. Love that round too!
@eddieb42272 күн бұрын
@@austinharris2732pone of the easiest actions to swap prefit barrels.
@willaimwinchell181311 ай бұрын
That is a great looking gun. I have a tikka t3x in 243. it's such a great caliber to shoot.Thanks for the video.
@erikleirmo91472 жыл бұрын
Love Tikka got a superlite in 6.5 3 years ago with the cammo stock the cabelas special. Out of the box trigger is light and breaks like glass honestly
@gaslampnation7352 жыл бұрын
Me too! Crazy story, they have such great customer service at Bass Pro that after about a half hour price matching the black with the camo we both agreed it was just lipstick on a pig and she honored the price match. Saved $150 which did seem excessive for a camo job. Seems this is one of the last industries that works with people who have integrity and use discression. America is still around, just need to know where to look.
@erikleirmo91472 жыл бұрын
@@gaslampnation735 exactly there’s still people who are making and selling quality products at good prices anyone can afford
@timbrimm43972 жыл бұрын
Drop the music
@mistral-unizion-music2 жыл бұрын
Good content, good audio level, great tips from the gunsmith. Subscribed!
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@Braxtonfontes142 жыл бұрын
When will this be in stores and in what stores
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Not sure yet but we were told this year!
@henryhenry58972 жыл бұрын
Nice gun, I prefer to run rings with bubble level and make sure reticle and bubble are true I don’t care what relation scope cap to action has if that makes sense especially for LR.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Great input thank you!
@muffchomp635 Жыл бұрын
Have a vx 6 hd to through on one of these bad boys, have any recommendations for rings to match the scope. The caliber is .300win mag
@8asw82 жыл бұрын
I got a t3x light veil wideland last year in 6.5 creedmoor and damn I love that gun, I agree with the gun smith. the trigger is phenomenal for a gun right out of the box. cool new colour pattern too.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Great rifles man! Glad you like yours!
@8asw82 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild objectively great guns! I wish you a lot of success with yours!
@Faddah_hoks2 жыл бұрын
Is the veil wideland barrel and receiver stainless steel under the cerakote??
@8asw82 жыл бұрын
@@Faddah_hoks I dont think so, but I dont know for sure
@catjackoff-road8552 жыл бұрын
@@Faddah_hoks yes sir it is
@justicebronks42492 жыл бұрын
Sweet looking rifle! Why would you loctite the brake on though?! Just adding more cleaning work when you need to remove the brake for cleaning as well as crown cleaning.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
That’s just what kris has done on his factory supplied brakes. I see some folks prefer rocksett, or nothing at all. It’s been just fine in the 5 rifles he’s done for us tho!
@chuckp33352 жыл бұрын
You only want the brake on hand tight no loctite
@justicebronks42492 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild I mean I guess on a hunting rifle that you only shoot a few rounds a year it wouldn't matter too much. All the power to him if it's what he likes to do! I'm anal about cleaning though haha, even my hunting rifles the crown gets cleaned along with the barrel every + - 30 rounds
@jesseison64072 жыл бұрын
Nice rifle ! I’m going to take a look at one for myself. Love and agree with everything you’ve done in this vid. Personally I’d go ahead and do a bedding job on that barrel lug for myself.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback man! Appreciate you watching!
@csamby16942 жыл бұрын
Lovely pall that what I’ll get next my oid T3 15 year old has serves me super well but I finck I’ll upgrade soon and I’ll we’ll get One of them love the modification in the bolt as standard
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It’s a fantastic rifle!
@zorandjekic74412 жыл бұрын
Tikka is perfect rifle, thanks.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@johnryan1386 Жыл бұрын
Wish this barrel contour was more widely available across the range
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@michaelladouceur76622 жыл бұрын
Any update if these will make it to the States this year?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Update yes, sometime this fall!
@user-ko4pe9yd4e2 жыл бұрын
How do you order one? I can’t find this model anywhere.
@zsyacsure072 жыл бұрын
I think I’m going to pick one of these up this spring if I can find one
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope they’re available stateside
@dhayes19952 жыл бұрын
Any word on this release for the US?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly sure!
@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 Жыл бұрын
Does this weapon have to be placed in the Fire Position in order to cycle the Bolt ?
@chuckp33352 жыл бұрын
My factory savage trigger is 8ozs 2.5lbs is a heavy trigger
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Wow that’s light! I prefer around 2-2.5 personally
@chuckp33352 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild I target shoot with a 6.5x284 norma savage model 12 benchrest the trigger goes as low as 6oz
@yehehput Жыл бұрын
I don't see these in stainless on tikka or other websites. Just black steel but I'm unsure what that is. Any updates on stainless or what black steel is?
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Hmm it should be available in stainless by this point.
@specfever22 жыл бұрын
Can't find this gun in the USA yet. Will it be available soon here?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure exactly when but we’re heading this year.
@NoName-ml5yk2 жыл бұрын
Have you weighed it? I use heavy scopes so don't want too heavy a rifle.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s at 9.25 lb
@20cameron1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. Because of this video I finally made up my mind what rifle to get. Will be making a down payment on it beginning of next month. Getting it in 30-06.
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Awesome man! Enjoy it! Great choice!
@20cameron1 Жыл бұрын
@@PNWild Watched this video at least five times. Getting ammo until I order next month. I hunt in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Average range of encounters are 30 yards. Some phases aren’t as thick and open up to 300 yards. Had been looking at the traditional T3X lite but wasn’t quite sold on it. But when I saw this model: sold! I try to buy guns that are durable and beautiful.
@Krumar542 жыл бұрын
How did you guys obtain this rifle? I’m looking for the stainless Ember in 30-06 and so I contacted Berreta who is the distributor for Tikka in the US and they told me the Ember model isn’t being imported to the US yet. What am I missing here?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We work with Tikka.
@MryPopnsYall2 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild does that mean I can call to order one from y’all?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
@@MryPopnsYall haha I wish!
@IBASSINFISHING10 ай бұрын
Great video. I just got this exact rifle. Why use a rail? Why not just put the rings directly on the gun?
@masone45892 жыл бұрын
They gonna offer a few more modern cartridges? Or are they mostly gonna keep living in the early 20tj century?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
This one is 6.5 prc and it’s wicked, there has been conversations about the 28 nosler
@masone45892 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild I’m a big PRC fan and that addition to their lineup makes me optimistic. 28 Nosler is exactly what I’m looking for though
@JNOSNOW2 жыл бұрын
I have the same but not ember in 300 WM so the barrell was blued instead with a Game Reaper mount and Leopold VX5HD. Currently having most of it cerakoted because everything I touch rusts so it rusted all down the barrel, action, and break the first hunting trip. Have it shooting .2 MOA with 180 gr. Barnes TTSX hand loads. Also helps with the Dead Air Nomad Ti to keep it lightweight. Love these guns
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that man! They are fantastic rifles!
@lessforloans2 жыл бұрын
Man how long is that barrel with it? I want a tikka but wish it was a 22 inch at most.
@JNOSNOW2 жыл бұрын
It adds 7 inches with the can and mount but with it being titanium it weighs almost nothing
@eltacuachi4205 Жыл бұрын
Howdy! What Picatinny rail was used?
@stevelinville3681 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried the purple loctite,it holds very well and is much easier to get loose
@0181322 жыл бұрын
Is it a full free floating barrel???? I know the regular t3x superlite is not fully free floating
@kevinbreese5739 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Question though... is it the same exact stock as a regular Tikka T3x Lite and simply coated in a Roughtech finish, or is it a different stock altogether.
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Great question and I’m not exactly sure.
@JJ-iu5hl9 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it's the same. I went to the store to knock on them, and they sound identical.
@RammaJamma32 жыл бұрын
Is the new super varmint coming to U.S? It’s green rough tech stock gray cerakote barrel fluted bolt also. It and the amber one here was released other countries last year
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this rifle released overseas last fall, but I’m not totally sure when it will release I’m America, nor the rifle your talking about.
@martinandersson52782 жыл бұрын
I went for the Veil Alpine, same gun but ceracoted
@davemiller48522 жыл бұрын
Great hands on application of scope, breaks and trigger……. Nine rifle
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
You bet
@legaspiaudio9830 Жыл бұрын
How does this model compare to a Benelli Lupo bolt action?
@Lambert-hr7sm2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for them to start hitting the shelves.. been waiting for this sweet looking thing!
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It’s worth the wait!
@masondavis12312 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild any idea when they will be available for purchase?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
@@masondavis1231 I’m not sure we’ll circle back when we hear an exact date!
@terryhenry82432 жыл бұрын
These Tikka embers are like trying to actually find and capture the LOCHNESS MONSTER!!! Good luck on your hunt!!
@achap63762 жыл бұрын
@@terryhenry8243 I've yet to find one anywhere.
@ronws20072 жыл бұрын
I have a question not many can answer. How much torque in the action screws? Mine had become loose on one of my rifles and I searched for quite some time and came to the consensus of some other amateurs that 45 in-lbs was as good number.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We read the tikka manual for the action screw torque, I can’t em ever off the top of my head but should be in manuals or even google. Sorry man! Thanks for watching!
@hotramen59522 жыл бұрын
really hope this becomes available in 6.8 western.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We’ll find out soon!
@kevinmadore36472 жыл бұрын
just wondering where you purchased this rifle...been looking for quite some time for one
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We work with tikka and got our hands on it a little early. Keep your eyes out
@stevepuyear27382 жыл бұрын
Good looking rifle. I like the orange in the stock...looks like embers of a dwindling campfire. Just curious what the barrel length is on that rifle? I'm guessing 24" ?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It’s a very cool rifle, Tikka nailed it, and yessir it’s 24”
@stevepuyear27382 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild Thank you, I figured it was most likely 24".
@matthewkyle69392 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild how have they nailed it. It's the same gun with a different paint job. Lazy. Why not actually improve their product.
@mrjeffjob2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewkyle6939 I’m not sure how you could improve anything on that rifle.
@matthewkyle69392 жыл бұрын
@@mrjeffjob it would be insanely easy. A good stock would be an improvement, longer action for 300 prc, heavier barrel option. There are alot of ways the rifle could be improved.
@jimwalden78632 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I too am trying to find this rifle. I’m looking for the 223 rem. version. Any suggestions as to where to look?
@duhni45512 жыл бұрын
best bet would be to use manufacturer site to find closest distributer as they have that feature in their page. What comes to the caliber you want it with, it doesn't exist at the moment, the model being from their cheaper end it might take some time to come back to markets or it might be that it won't be but in .308 anymore. Then again you can check from them does the stock accept .223 tikka's.
@leonpointek77242 жыл бұрын
Just wondering what vortex is on this thanks
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It’s the Vortex LHT 4.5-22x50
@ColemanRepair Жыл бұрын
What height rings are those? I have the same rifle and just ordered the same scope.
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Believe they are mediums
@nv854 Жыл бұрын
What scope mounts did you use? Brand and specs please?!
@TheBladeSled Жыл бұрын
That’s a beauty. That will be my next rifle.
@bigal75612 жыл бұрын
Had to watch this video again because you did so well on the presentation and that rifle is a honey.
@leonardogarcia25062 жыл бұрын
What is the measurement of the barrel diameter right before the muzzle threading? I heard in the video that the profile is a little bigger. Could you tell us how much bigger? Thank you!
@Dave-ul8px2 жыл бұрын
Is that color scheme come in 300 win mag
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It should yes
@paulcoffey42212 жыл бұрын
what size mounts are those? Low, Med, high?
@steveairarmskirk2 жыл бұрын
I have a t3x supervarmint which is brilliant. I had to wind the grub screw out and actually file the top down a little because it would hit the bolt that holds the triger group to the action. It seems the only difference is the fluted parts am I correct? And the stock on mine has an adjustable cheek though.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
I love that rifle also! And an adjustable cheek would be amazing but your just adding weight at that point but I love that addition!
@EbichanStudios2 жыл бұрын
Is the super varmint available in the US? I've been trying to find one.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
@@EbichanStudios I don’t believe so, they should be this year tho.
@jimbob23532 жыл бұрын
How does the lite with fluted barrel compare to a heavey tikka barrel ? How many consecutive rounds can you chuck through it ?
@Lambert-hr7sm Жыл бұрын
These fluted barrels heat up quick! They’re meant to save weight while carrying it out hunting. Definitely not a range gun. I had to let it cool for 10-15 minutes between 3 round groups.
@MrLew1965 Жыл бұрын
I'm torn between this Rifle and the Sako S20 ?? Any input is much appreciated ?? Hunting moose and Deer !
@mr.mr.33012 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see pictures of that stock up close.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Check our Instagram!
@doghousedon12 жыл бұрын
Finally a vid on a rifle that was designed for hunting, not killing people. How refreshing!!! Thank you very much.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@gregsido92352 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a liberal snowflake ❄️!
@codycruickshank40992 жыл бұрын
To bad you can't find them anywhere in Canada.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
They aren’t going to be released until fall 2022.
@codycruickshank40992 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild oh good there's hopes of me getting one yet.👍 beautiful looking gun.
@codycruickshank40992 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild I thought they might have been exclusive to Finland or something like that.
@codycruickshank40992 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild still not in Canada that I know of? I can't seem to find one.
@sirrloin2 жыл бұрын
Roughtech makes some good stuff. One thing I'd like to see happen a little faster are manufacturers making shorter barrels for suppressors.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@lessforloans2 жыл бұрын
Amen. I want a 7 mm rm with a suppressor
@brentgrubbs8146 Жыл бұрын
I like it. I was really fixed on the super varmint, but the weight. The only thing I'd change is the compensator. That one looks really loud
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
it indeed is loud!
@sowhat59392 жыл бұрын
does it come in left hand model
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
I would believe so
@johncarroll30892 жыл бұрын
Could it be the Ember representing flames fire light on a dark (black) night? Good look at gun,,,love it and caliber,
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Someone else said that same thing!! And I totally see it and agree! Appreciate the feedback man
@maximeboucher-dube57482 жыл бұрын
Which king of scope do you recommend on that particular rifle for deer hunting?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We’re fans of the vortex viper pst gen 2, great hunting optic for a great price.
@maximeboucher-dube57482 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot
@eltesoro1002 жыл бұрын
Where you guys have the gun shop?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
His shops in stanwood
@eltesoro1002 жыл бұрын
When is ready to the public to buy in the gun shop
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
This fall
@specfever22 жыл бұрын
The "orangey" color to me could be described as looking like .... embers - a glowing but subdued warm/hot orange.. I'm guessing that's where they were going with it.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely nailed it
@lmbear2 жыл бұрын
That sure is a beautiful rifle there. Some great features. We know it's going to be a tack driver too. Thanks for sharing..
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It sure is! Keep an eye out this fall for it!
@bobhill39412 жыл бұрын
I like how good these stock triggers are so you don't have to spend the money on an aftermarket one!
@Leo-oc2bl Жыл бұрын
Bonjour. Elle existe pour gaucher ???
@PNWild Жыл бұрын
Hello
@claydungan922 Жыл бұрын
I'm a year late to this video but i just ordered this rifle in .308 and going to be getting it ready for deer hunting in the fall! excited to see which ammo shoots best.
@roymauler2 жыл бұрын
Will Tikka ever make another .338 Win Mag?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Not sure about that
@bigB6flyer2 жыл бұрын
I missed it, what caliber is your example rifle in? 6.5 creed?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
6.5 PRC
@sav3002 жыл бұрын
That rifle would be well complemented by a Mesa Precision Altitude stock. They are absolutely amazing!! I love my Tikka rifles, one of the finest right out of the box!!
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We’ll look into those!
@sav3002 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild they are hands down one of the best stocks I’ve put my hands on! I have one on my long range gun and couldn’t be happier. Going to throw one on the Tikka compact lol his year as well! Side note, sorry to hear about the removal of spring bear. That’s a load of BS if ya ask me. Maybe it’ll work out that you guys can hunt another state for spring bears if WA doesn’t pull their head out.
@bobshwd652 жыл бұрын
Is the bolt shroud plastic?
@larrysayre8242 жыл бұрын
No group shots and did I miss the price looks like a nice rifle. I am just a hunter not a long range shooter, I generally sight all gun's to shoot a inch an half high at 100yards that usually is meat in freezer for any place I hunt. I have made a couple of shots at and over 200 yards but that was with my muzzleloader
@MrHf4l2 жыл бұрын
Who did you guys source this gun through? I’ve been told this particular model isn’t being imported, and is a euro sales model only.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
We work with tikka, we got the rifle early.
@dumptodreamhome26302 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding any Tikka.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
You can still find some!
@JonDoe-ef4tz2 жыл бұрын
Does this rifle have a free floated barrel?
@nelsondoan82712 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, does the bolt shroud cover the back of the action so as to turn gas 90 degrees in the event of cartridge failure?
@travis35672 жыл бұрын
It bothers me that the muzzel brake looks like a slightly different color...
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Might be more dramatic in this video I e never noticed it before in person.
@mikeh59082 жыл бұрын
I hate this rifle....til its in my hands..then its love...dont tell my wife
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaa
@StephenHill-zg8qr Жыл бұрын
I have a Sako A7 that has a Roughtech stock and it is 7 years old and in the last 3 years is has turned into a sticky mess, the plastic is extruding resins and there is no support in Canada either from the supplier or Sako. Though Tika does have more support I can’t recommend Roughtech stocks.
@DinorwicSongwriter2 жыл бұрын
How do I get one in Canada?
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Not until October ish
@DinorwicSongwriter2 жыл бұрын
@@PNWild can I pre order one?
@Braxtonfontes142 жыл бұрын
How much does it cost
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
Think around 1,000$
@dtomic172 жыл бұрын
Aren't your rings too far back? Doesn't look symmetrical.
@robertjackson14072 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome
@jeff0nyschuk670 Жыл бұрын
Is that dark brown stock! Real wood????😮
@kennethkeehn450Ай бұрын
Crazy cool rifle guys.👍🏻😎
@adamelam638510 ай бұрын
I have a Roughtech, a regular T3x, and a Hunter. Save a few hundred dollars and get the regular T3x. The bolt on my Roughtech isn't near as slick as my regular T3x. I wouldn't have bought it if I had it to do again. Now, when will Tikka release the 7 PRC already?
@redgreengrass2 ай бұрын
I've been deciding between hunter or ember. Prefer stock over regular. What's ur experience been with Hunter vs regular?
@adamelam63852 ай бұрын
@@redgreengrass there is little difference in performance. The regular isn't as pretty but you don't mind dinging it up. I like both and would hunt with either.
@redgreengrass2 ай бұрын
@@adamelam6385 I'd prefer to have the threaded barrel, but seems to be a lot of complaints about the durability of the ember stock over time.
@adamelam63852 ай бұрын
@@redgreengrass yeah i understand. Tikka should offer threaded barrels in the standard models.
@MrJacobmetcalf2 жыл бұрын
I live in Washington State I'm a 100% Disabled veteran do you guys do guided Hunt?
@hondafunyt6272 жыл бұрын
Does it come in left hand?
@Lambert-hr7sm Жыл бұрын
Only right hand I believe
@sampike5978 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a winner , to bad the mag ain't flush mounted. A real turn of for me.
@roytallericoGunner7 күн бұрын
Yes..facts..not stupid noisy music.
@PNWild4 күн бұрын
Sorry
@kevinfeckner34442 жыл бұрын
Price??
@groundcontrol53652 жыл бұрын
Could you please make a Sako trg in 300 prc. I know you are Tikka but you can make it happen👍 I'd settle for tikka t3 varmint in 300 prc with a 26 inch barrel. Trgs are the bomb though. Still my favorite looking rifle ever
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
I’ll put in a good word for ya!
@bankoofer2 жыл бұрын
That looks really nice! The clicks and pops sound so nice, too.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
👌🏼👌🏼
@herbking69242 жыл бұрын
Very nice looking rifle!!!
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
It’s beautiful!
@tallyman152 жыл бұрын
Would be better trigger if adjustment could be done without stock removal.
@PNWild2 жыл бұрын
But it’s worth it and set forever after you take the 5 minutes. But I get it