Introduction To Post-Tonal Theory | Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Berg

[@strandgut4996]

Hey Rick, this is excellent video (like many of yours, I'd like to add). Concise and well explained. Please continue this topic. Marc

[@n7275]

Looking forward to this series.

[@Jojooo64]

Great introduction. Will there be more videos going deeper? I would dig that.

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[@omarinolan6718]

@Felipe Valentin Flixportal :P

[@felipevalentin5025]

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[@StaulkHolm]

One of my bandmate's used a "12 tone composition" he wrote to design a building for his master's thesis. The piece was actually a bit more complex than he let on and it didn't sound as strange as i thought it'd sound.

[@mirthkon]

From Tom Petty to Dallapiccola, Carter, etc. in less than one week? Amazing! I really admire the scope of your musical appreciation and deep knowledge, Rick. In fact, I'd love to see a video focused solely on your experience as a music professional possessing such a broad interest in different styles of music. Being a professional composer myself, I've found my personal interest in the full spectrum from pop to the most obscure, academic avant-garde you can imagine to be both a blessing and a curse. While you get to really enjoy more music than most, it can also be a very lonely place to be when you discover that most people (musicians or not) do not share such breadth of interest/appreciation. Since musical taste is such an emotionally-charged aspect of personal identity, it can arouse great enthusiasm as easily as it can incite intense negativity bordering on hostility. Very interesting dynamics there... Would love to hear your thoughts.

[@RickBeato]

+miRthkon email me at [e-mail] it's easier than responding here. Thanks!

[@jimwinters3986]

Interview MiRthkon!

[@mirthkon]

Emailed you, thanks!

[@jonc8561]

+miRthkon As a professional composer, do you have perfect pitch? Not saying you need it, just curious as what the ratio is of composers with perfect pitch and those who don't.

[@mirthkon]

No perfect pitch. Pretty well-developed relative pitch/pitch memory, though. In my experience I’ve known very few composers with perfect pitch. And half of the ones I do know are from China which, due to the tone-based language combined with the greater-than-average interest in music, lends itself to a higher likelihood of having it. That said, the most impressive ears I’ve ever witnessed were highly-developed relative pitch, not perfect.

[@mance02]

I hope there’s more content coming soon? Appreciate your teaching on this.

[@vaspers]

Way to go! You are now hardcore intellectual! Love this. Schoenberg is one of my favorite composers, and I play synthesizers.

[@eemelin6660]

I love the use of post tonality as a term here! ”Atonal” as a word has caused quite a lot of confusion.

[@baloothedrummer]

I hope some more of this is coming, I’m estudying the Pierrot lunaire and have so many questions

[@davidjohn9972]

Fantastic lesson Rick, Thank you for broadening our understanding of musical concepts

[@vincescuderi]

Lol! Sorry, but Dallapiccola came across as 'pickle aloo' in the captions. Indian food on my mind now, darn it. But, seriously, many thanks for these amazing edifying and thought-provoking videos.

[@hYpYz]

check out Blotted Science by Ron Jarzombek. He isn't using this exactly but he is trying to use all of the notes :D

[@SuonoReale]

To anyone interested in exploring this topic further, I HIGHLY recommend getting the book "Introduction to Post-Tonal Theory" by Joseph N Straus. There is a 4th edition, but you can get the 3rd edition for like $20 online. By far, one of the best, if not the THE best, books on Post-tonal theory and analysis. It has ample musical examples and each chapter has little analysis and compositions assignments/exercises. Also, Rick, these videos are great; but, I think maybe adding little assignments/exercises/suggestions at the end of the videos would be helpful to folks. Confucius say: "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand."

[@RickBeato]

+SuonoReale Great saying!

[@musicformediagr]

Cant wait for video 2 about this topic..

[@davidsummerville351]

Great info, can't wait for the next one. Thanks

[@bartondisplay]

Wait, is this re-uploaded? Will you be going in deeper on this?

[@sver3]

your lessons are gold.. :)

[@ygoramaro5637]

Rick thaaaaank you for this video man

[@stephenweigel]

This is an excellent introduction! I think I'm going to start sending people here. Seven interval classes? I thought there were six? Is the unison/octave included as its own interval class in your ideas? I only maintain that there are six because there's never a 0-12 slot on the interval vector. Though I also understand you could be including that for a reason of mathematical correctness, like how 'T0' is used to make sense of transposition, or how the null set must be counted in instances of enumeration.

[@RickBeato]

+Stephen Weigel That's correct.

[@peters6366]

Excellent explanation! Better than my prof’s offered at university. Where is the Beato Academy located? Thx!

[@RickBeato]

+Peter Sudbury The Beato Academy you can find at www.rickbeato.com thanks!

[@RP14_Music]

What's up with the reup?

[@Billiamo]

It's a different length, I guess he changed some stuff to clarify a point?

[@haroun4165]

Let's taste the pie first, then we'll know if we want to make one ...

[@TwilightZone13]

I want to get into film scoring but don't know where to start. I am still in high school so I can't yet go to school to learn film scoring. What can I do right now to get my feet wet in film scoring?

[@bhargavchavda1478]

Bob Kowalski thx brother for info

[@TwilightZone13]

Bob Kowalski thanks for the information. I will try some of this stuff out. I can play piano. I understand it better than I can play it. With the modern technology we have you don't really need to be good at playing piano because you can just draw the notes in your DAW and it will play it for you. And with other orchestral instruments you can just change the sound on the keyboard.

[@TheSpoonwood]

so there's no key?

[@goncalomarques2711]

Where the hell is the sequell?

[@bobbob-mq9nu]

repost?

[@RickBeato]

I fixed one numbering error on the board and explained it more clearly.

[@TheBlueCream]

thank you as always !

[@Mr.Monster1984]

It's all Greek to me

[@i.apilado]

Huh? -9+3=12? Whattt? My math teacher was totally teaching the wrong way, I prefer this man as my math teacher

[@kyoushlro]

Young Tesla thinking of the negative a positive as directions similar to that of limit statements then yeah that kinda makes sense

[@TheCoastermann]

Why is Stravinsky on your list of post-tonal composers? Really? He was tonal.

[@reidwhitton6248]

His later music wasn't tonal.

[@JohnBolender]

There is a long list of serial compositions by Stravinsky.

[@theboneybrown2563]

Post tonail theory? Yuck.