Why Pickleball is Killing Tennis

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@kencussick3777]

You pumped your fist on the 2 points you "won". You served it on the wrong side.

[@Mickey_McD]

The U.S. needs a #1 men's player to get interest back And we also need more media coverage of tennis at the national and local level, especially during the standard evening news sportscast.

[@Mr10usdad]

I grew up in the 70s and 80s and tennis was huge. At my country club on Saturday morning if you were a junior you could not get a court. The adults took up all of the courts. Now Saturday mornings the tennis courts are a ghost town.

[@MrTresto]

Tennis is a very particular sport, it requires a large court, fancy equipment, is really difficult to play (even basic rallying), is very demanding physically (if you want to play it semi-decently) and has a very steep learning curve. Oh and now that we have these superior poly strings (superior in terms of spin), they also need to be changed more often which poses other problems. I really understand why something more approachable like pickleball is coming up... (and I say that as something who has playing tennis since being 9 years old)

[@RossCooperMusic]

Hey Nik! Im happy to report that my local park in Los Angeles does frequently have a line of people waiting for the four tennis courts at peak hours! Tennis till the end! ;)

[@shawnjaffar]

which park?

[@Laurinha033]

This is such a sad video, I adore tennis

[@fornarnia7569]

I love both sports but I love tennis much more it is kinda sad

[@sjp4565]

Tennis isn't dying because of pickleball.

[@user-oe4wr9tn2n]

Tennis is not dying, because I feel more people might play Pickle ball as a recreational activity, and most people play tennis for getting good and competing. Plus, Pickle ball will never outdo Tennis on TV which means that Tennis players will get paid more, which will encourage kids to chose a career path of tennis.

[@Laurinha033]

@@user-oe4wr9tn2n It is very sad to loose public spaces to play tennis, it makes the sport less accesible

[@TheKakarot_itachi]

@@user-oe4wr9tn2n bullshit

[@billwillis3626]

You may be right, Nick. I had been noticing chalk lines drawn for pickle ball on our city courts and yesterday when I went to practice, pickle ball lines had been painted on one of the courts. I still love playing tennis at 70 and I'm playing tennis until I can't play anymore.

[@AdirraBG]

I think we people have become used to receiving everything we want instantly (information, food, fun) so to some extent we have forgotten how to be patient and really put in the effort until things start to pay off. This translates into sports as well: tennis takes so much time, work and patience to learn that many people are not willing to invest so much into it. Pickleball is so popular right now because people are seeking instant gratification and fun in a sport without having to think too much about learning moves and building a technique as it is with tennis. I recently picked up tennis and I love it.

[@-Munditimum-]

Beautifully said. This is exactly it. Very glad that you love tennis. Many of us do. Keep it up!

[@K4R3N]

Tennis is hard

[@PeterCacioppi]

As a tennis player who converted to PB, I completely agree. I find PB to just be more fun, and it was also a lot easier to entice my kids and their buddies to play with me. You don't really need lessons or drills like you do with tennis. You just play, and get better from playing. That said, I do agree that its good to have a sport where you have to drill and practice. My kids get that from other sports (mostly basketball, but also gymnastics and martial arts). PB - we just have fun.

[@theacestriker6240]

Fax

[@joemarshall4226]

I disagree to some extent. I don't think tennis has to be that difficult. Give someone an oversized racquet, and let them hit the ball the way they want. if they are athletic and have played some ping pong, pickleball or racquet ball, they should begin to do well after just a few months of play. They are not going to beat solid players who have played for ten years, but they will hold their own in a doubles match, or even a 3.5 singles match. Provided you let them figure out for themselves how they are going to hold the racquet and hit the ball.

[@markgoff5307]

One other thing that I didn't hear you mention that is helping to fuel the sport is how easy it is to set up a temporary pickleball court. Portable nets are very cheap and do a pretty good job. We can set up a temporary pickleball court on any flat surface in minutes. It can be a gym, a parking lot, or just a wide driveway. Grass is difficult - but not impossible (with a foam ball). It's kind of like soccer in that respect - it doesn't take a lot of expensive infrastructure to throw a game together. And once people get hooked on the game, the support for permanent facilities follows. I'm not sure what this means for the sport of tennis - but I suspect it will find a way to persevere. It's been around for a long time for a reason.

[@badvoice_okstrumming678]

This summer, my club added some pickle ball courts (in Canada). They didn't get rid of tennis courts, just added a couple pickle ball courts. I played quite a few times and it was super fun. I don't think it's necessarily as much of a sedentary sport that some people think. You can definitely move the ball around and use the majority of the court. If you and your appointment are good, there can be a lot of sprinting and exercise in the sport. I think it's a very fun sport, though I have not personally noticed it's been taking over or killing the sport of tennis which is my first love.

[@OneAdam12Adam]

Canada is still sane. America has lost its mind.

[@kevinyang6826]

I am fine with building new pickleball courts, just don't destroy our lovely tennis courts and turn them into pickleball courts.

[@samlogan-warshaw300]

😢

[@vanadyan1674]

I agree, as long as the tennis courts are seeing use. If there are tennis courts that are going unused 90% of the time and people that want to play pickleball, the courts should be changed.

[@acmesalute76]

Exactly. I don’t have a problem with soccer because soccer players don’t take over other facilities. Pickleball is the only sport that destroys other sports facilities.

[@sadler2414]

Crazy lines to get on tennis courts here in NYC. My neighborhood has some of the only public courts under lights and people regularly wait 2 hours to get on after dark. I guess we are lucky the courts are well loved/ unlucky it can be hard to get time!

[@jgwil2]

Yeah, any big US city if you try to play in the evening after work you will hit major lines. I think the situation in south Florida is distorted a bit by the high percentage of retirees.

[@K4R3N]

Same in Chicago

[@ryanbradley5928]

Same in Raleigh, NC. Had to go to three different venues to try to get in a league match last week because of people waiting everywhere. Even at the third one, had to wait an hour for a court to open up. Here, they're not building dedicated pickleball courts (at least not that I've seen), but they are striping a lot of the tennis courts to allow pickleball games.

[@walterht8083]

In Argentina we had a huge padel fad in the 90s, for us it's a 90s stereotype the same way disco music is a late 70s stereotype. It died in the late 90s, completely dead by the early 2000s. Perhaps because in the early 2000s we suddenly had many good tennis players that were ranked in the top 30 (coria, nalbandian, gaudio, canas, calleri, chela, zabaleta etc), but I think it was dying even before that. Perhaps all it would take for this to die in the USA is one very good male American tennis player making kids want to play tennis

[@info781]

Agree, American men's tennis needs more clay, too much focus on serve and forehead

[@falkowski83]

Currently in Brazil the mania is Beach Tennis.

[@guilherme_msk]

Im from Florianopolis, Brazil, where lots of Argentinians come in the summer, and I remember they loved paddle, hotels built courts for them, everytime we saw someone playing we knew they were hermanos hehe but they played tennis too!

[@joemarshall4226]

In the USA we already have the best PB players in the world. If the money in PB gets good, you might see everyone abandon the tennis ship, and switch to PB. I don't think PB will die here in the states, because it's much more inclusive and fun for the seniors. I can play PB five times a week, but tennis only two or three, or my neck acts up too much!

[@joemarshall4226]

@@falkowski83 IS that the same as beach volleyball?

[@PeterCacioppi]

As a kid, I played a lot of tennis. I probably was a 4.5 tennis player (maybe a bit better at singles, a bit worse at doubles) at my peak. As an adult, I play pickleball. I taught my kids to play PB, and have also taught some of my kids friends. This video is correct that PB is easier to learn. When I taught the kids to play, I taught them mainly strategy and shot selection. They largely taught themselves stroke mechanics just from playing. With tennis, you really want to put the time in drilling stroke mechanics and receiving guidance from an instructor. I was lucky to get some lessons and have access to a ball machine as a kid, and that helped my tennis game tremendously. But also, I was motivated as a kid to put in my homework, and tennis was the main sport I played. My kids and their friends play other sports. They are mostly basketball players. They receive instruction and practice drills for basketball. PB - they only play games. They are always competing when they play PB and thus its always fun. The other point you're missing - when we play PB, the play is fast. We hit the ball hard, and try to hit each other. We bounce the ball off each other all the time, and we never, ever apologize for hitting someone with the ball. The ball is lightweight and safe and made of plastic, so it doesn't hurt. We also "dink" (hit drop shots) but the dink rallies are like a suspenseful movie. We are just waiting for a ball high enough to smash. Then we typically smash it right at someones paddle-side shoulder, or bounce it off their feet. Some players are so good at returning smashes that the most reliable way to end the point is to smash it into their body. For us, this is just more fun. The other "fast" aspect of PB is how quickly the points reset. Just watch people play tennis, and keep track of how long the delay is between points, and how short the points are. Then look at people playing PB. The rallies last longer, and the delay in between points is shorter. This is, for me, a huge difference. When I play PB, I have so much more fun than tennis, because so much more of my time is spent actually playing. The kids see this advantage as well. Bear in mind - I put in my reps with tennis. I had two friends who played college level tennis who would rally with me, because I had the pure groundstrokes and could give them quality rallies. But I still find PB to have more real "playing time" because there is only one serve, the serve is almost always in, and you can always "reset" a rally with a dink. Thank you for this respectful and mostly accurate video. My only correction is "why do kids like it". For three reasons. 1) it is easy to learn (as you say). 2) It is fun and safe to speed the ball up and hit people with the ball 3) There is very little downtime. You are always playing.

[@joemarshall4226]

4) And it's not so "organized"...you just show up and play!

[@PeterCacioppi]

@@joemarshall4226 The culture is more welcoming, for sure. Do tennis "open drop ins" even exist? I just went to an open drop in with two teenagers. Both of this kids played a lot of PB during the pandemic and got pretty good, but they've played maybe a dozen times between them over the last 6 months. This drop in had retired folks who play PB maybe 250-300 days a year and are super serious about it. But they welcomed my kids with open arms! The kids got beat a fair bit, but they pulled off a few wins too. But the best part was this one guy in his late 60s, just putting his arm around my son after delivering a beat down and telling him "you're doing just great, keep playing!". Does that happen in tennis? Not from what I saw. People just want to stay in their cliques and play people at their narrow level. My son and his buddy didn't really give this guy and his friend a very competitive game, but they didn't have any problem with it and just used it as a "let me coach you" opportunity. We're going back tomorrow, because kids love that sort of thing.

[@joemarshall4226]

@@PeterCacioppi I agree 100%. It reminds me of my childhood, growing up on the streets of Brooklyn. You could go to the park, and get in to a basketball game, a baseball game on a softball diamond (no pitching, you just threw it up and hit it), a paddle ball game )on a handball court), or whatever. You chose p sides, and you played. Everybody got a chance. Of course older people love it when youngsters show up. I played a lot of street sports as a kid, and played Little League baseball and basketball. Then I tried tennis when I was 14 with an old wood racquet....I couldn't hit the ball! It was frustrating, so I gave it up. Then when I got to be about 22 I tired it a couple fo times with one friend who knew how to play. I did better. The big breakthrough came when I was about 30 and they invented the oversize racket.....now I could hit the ball consistently on both sides, and mishits often turned into winners, since I sliced a lot. The fact that I played some ping pong in college really helped. Without that, i would have been lost. I think PB will actually bring MORE people to tennis. Once they get some basic racquet skills, they will want to try the other racquet sports, like squash, ping pong, or tennis. Trying tennis without previous racquet experience is really tough.

[@PeterCacioppi]

@@joemarshall4226 I grew up in Vermont, and was inept at basketball. I played pee wee hockey and then skiied in winters. By Vermont standards I was weak sauce at both, but by flatlander standards I was a skilled skater and skiier. I played tennis in the spring, summer and fall, and was decent at it. I always envied the "just show up" culture of basketball, and wished there was a tennis equivalent. Then PB basically made my wish come true. I eat a fair bit of crow getting beat in doubles by people I could probably dominate in singles (tennis background and I'm decently fit) but its all good. I just love the vibe when the matches are flowing. You have a 15 minute little drama with 3 other folks, then reset. I would be surprised if these kids I've taught ever play tennis, since they now have both a hoops and a PB background ... why mess around with a sport that doesn't have an open drop in culture? My son is on the varsity basketball and his buddy got cut from JV but is still a respectable player in pickup. And of course, thanks to me, they are pretty solid with PB. I have trouble imagining a situation where they aren't getting enough fun times from one or the other. Wherever they live, there will almost surely be a pickup scene for one or the other - and most likely both.

[@joemarshall4226]

@@PeterCacioppi You gave them a great gift. I have to teach grand-daughter PB...she's 6...I taught her some tennis from teh age of three, so she can hit a little, but PB is going to be a lot easier for her to learn...she can always switch back to tennis if she wants.

[@ryanhawley7113]

My mom introduced me to pickleball. After playing it for about two years it made me want to play tennis and after that i became absolutely addicted to TENNIS. I still play with my family as i find it tons of fun but it does indeed hurt to see tennis courts turned in to pickleball courts. Especially when it is always so hard to find a court here in Vancouver, BC already :(

[@Missinabella]

Let's write to TENNIS Canada 🇨🇦 maybe they can help

[@watermelonindianboi]

Same situation but I live in FL :(

[@joselitoaquino3207]

I have been playing tennis for almost 2 yrs now originally my sports is Basketball but i got hooked in Tennis it is not an easy sport in any means but as you develop your strokes the more you aspire to get better.. I love Tennis and will continue to do so for as long as i can...

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@datboi2412]

I like both sports but vastly prefer tennis. I think there is room for both and love seeing the growth of pickleball. It feels fresh and fun where tennis still has some issues with being too traditional. I have played tennis with older people who cannot move well and would probably be happier playing pickeball. My mom has gotten super into pickleball and it's a social activity for her. And I love that I can team with her in doubles! Racquet sports are great. I love table tennis as well. And waiting for a tennis court where I live is not uncommon!

[@rivermonk69]

"When was the last time you saw someone standing in line to jump on a tennis court." I am happy to say this happened last weekend at FDR Park in Philly (in February!). It also happens every weekend in the spring/summer/fall at Fairmount Park tennis courts in Philly. Sadly, FDR park is being redone and replacing five out of ten tennis courts with... nothing.

[@AlvinShares]

you tell 'em nic! i picked up tennis 6 mo ago and would've given up if not for your channel. it's a beautiful lifelong struggle to achieve better. i hope more people discover your channel and you convert more folks. i just brought my dad to the court for the first time today and sent him your videos. lets goooooo

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@fernandoherranz4095]

I totally understand! Tennis is awesome. But I don't want to struggle the rest of my life to learn how to serve, volley, etc. Pickleball allows me to have some of that "racket" fun, but with less of the struggle. Instead of struggling to play 1 hour of tennis (and find someone available to play with me), I can play 2 hours of PB almost anywhere and feel like I had a fun workout. To me, tennis is like a long-term project, whereas Pickleball feels more immediate and satisfying. Maybe it's a sign of the times.

[@john-claymorris8651]

It required organization and a major turnout from tennis players in my Northern CA town to stop the local government from converting a public court to pickleball. 75+ letters and 15+ people spoke on a government organized Zoom meeting early this year to convince the Park and Recreation board members to realize that there was still plenty of support for tennis in Northern CA. We all appreciate pickleball as a growing sport but like you express in your video, not at the expense of existing tennis courts. During the Covid shutdown, tennis courts were packed with lines every day.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@joemarshall4226]

It's so unnecessary...just paint some PB lines on a couple of tennis courts and the problem is solved. You can play either sport on the court (2 or 3 PB courts on each tennis court). Whoever shows up first gets the court. If you used different colored paint, it's not too distracting after a while.

[@temporality_]

5:51 there are 4 courts within walking distance of my house. When I go over there its probably a 20% chance I can get a space right away. There are almost always people waiting to play.

[@badmintonnflyfishing6310]

I played badminton for decades and now as I am getting older I am starting to take on tennis. Learning tennis is so much fun and much easier with my badminton background. I found out about pickle ball about 4 months ago and my thought was it is a game for people who is not good for tennis nor badminton...no offense to pickle ball players. I am pretty sure it takes a lot of training and dedication to play it well. Looks fun though.

[@thenaturalyogi5934]

How is your tennis after years of badminton? One thing I had to erase was wrist movement and memorize the take back/ backswing. 😂 Tennis is great I'm enjoying it immensely for 1 year now.

[@watermelonindianboi]

@@thenaturalyogi5934I guess net game and smashing

[@scottcrav1]

totally agree----very annoying sound!! No comparison to tennis sound ;)....enjoy all your videos! Thanks for posting great content

[@rucas10]

I've seen all the Intuitive Tennis videos made by Nic for a long time. This is one of the most interesting videos I've seen! It approaches this new sport (nothing against it) that seriously worries tennis practitioners and lovers as they are witnessing the disappearance of the tennis courts that we love so much! I live in Portugal, a country that I love, but unfortunately it doesn't have that many tennis courts. Where I live, in Ericeira there are only two public tennis courts, plus a few private ones, so the relationship is overnight when compared to the US. You, the thousands who play tennis, have while it is time to "wake up" and take measures and actions that prevent any day from having surfaces to play tennis, which is a wonderful and exciting game. You shouldn't allow that to happen, otherwise one of these days has the problem that exists in Portugal: lack of courts=non appearance/disappearance of Champions. It's still all in your hands US tennis players ....!!

[@Pedro-yo4hr]

Tennis clubs need to wake up. In Portugal I can play padel from 7 in the morning to midnight, 7 days a week including holidays. Compare that to my local tennis club that's closed on a sunday afternoon... I know tennis is not as profitable as padel so it's hard to have someone around 24/7 to open and close the courts, but there are digital solutions to that nowadays.

[@TBguitar]

I do both

[@doug339]

In my community we have both pickle ball and tennis courts. Pickle ball has become so popular that one of the tennis courts also has two portable pickle ball nets next to it so that it can be converted into two pickle ball courts. Thankfully our tennis courts are still very active with players, and most nice mornings and evenings you will have players waiting even with 8 available courts. When I drive by tennis courts in other areas however, I find them to be mostly empty, so I can see how courts are being converted.

[@joemarshall4226]

I have been saying for years that one of the biggest problems with USA tennis is the way it is taught by coaches and teachers....the "correct" way. it is a big turn-off to the game...it takes the fun out of it.. PB doesn't not have this problem....you pick the paddle up, and you hit it over the net any way you want. When I participated in 4.0 and 4.5 tennis tournaments, I found that most of the best players were guys who did the same thing....they weren't "lesson" players with proper strokes....they were just hackers who took what they knew from other sports, and hit the ball in whatever way they wanted. Some slice everything, some moonball, some hist flat shots like Jimmy Connors, some hit huge topspin on their forehands, and just push their BHs. But they all have fun, and they win! They beat the lesson" players most of the time. Maybe they will never rise above the hacker level, but they will love the sport and play for a lifetime. There is no reason why PB can't be a good introductory sport for tennis. The skills translate well, and PB is a lot easier to learn. I came to tennis at 28, having played ping pong. I got an over-sized racquet and sliced everything. it was very effective. I have since learned other shots, but I never would have stuck with the game if I had to learn those difficult shots with "proper" technique. And I have beaten a lot of "well-trained" players half my age with my slice, drop, and lob game. Coaches might do better with beginners by giving group lessons, where everyone just gets the ball over the net anyway they can...Once the players start having fun, THEN work on technique with those who are interested in improving. And you don't have to concentrate on the topspin shots first. Some might do better hitting flat shots or slice shots first, THEN picking up the "correct" way to do it. The social and "fun" aspects should come first. Tough instruction and repetitive practice should come later...for those that want it.... BTW, PBers are now learning "proper" technique, as the game is developing....and coaches are starting to make some good money teaching it....but the fun came first, THEN the drills.

[@crunchtimeeats347]

This is a hard thing to admit but you are right. I’m seeing the same thing as I try to teach the ‘correct’ technique to my kids. It’s. A fine balance between teaching and over correcting, taking the fun out of it, and they end up quitting. The digital age and instant gratification has not helped for sure.

[@joemarshall4226]

@@crunchtimeeats347 I had a friend that just passed away. His name was Frank Adams. A wonderful man who was a tennis pro for forty years. He taught old-fashioned flat strokes, and gliding footwork, as was the norm when he learned the game. He wrote a book called "natural tennis" where he gave his philosophy of teaching. He said that everyone figures out how to use a rake or a hoe or a broom...they don't have to be taught the "proper" way. He likened ground strokes to this kind of activity....one's body will figure it out, natural and free, if given the chance. If I were a teaching pro, i would get groups of players playing doubles matches ASAP., and the first shot I might encourage them to try would be the lob.....If you hit nothing but lobs at the beginning level, you have a good chance ow winning....singles or doubles....Good form on a lob can lead to good form on a ground stroke if you just bring it down. I would change teams often, so everyone gets the chance to win a set now and then. Then i would watch the matches, and try to give strategy tips to the players who are not doing well. it would be fun for everyone.

[@tommy--k]

This is a good thing. Without Pickleball, I'd be sitting at home. Tennis is much harder to play. You're exactly correct about Pickleball and it's attributes! I am confident in saying, that most people playing pickleball now have never played tennis, or played tennis very seldom.

[@davidmckenna4245]

Fighting the same battle here, and what bothers me most is that pickleball doesn't require a tennis court - the nets and lines are both different dimensions, the ball rarely travels far enough to need a backstop anywhere, and all the equipment is portable and can be set up elsewhere. I have yet to see a pickle ball court fit seamlessly into a tennis court. The best best implementations sort of blend in, but at their worst they do a poor job of making either surface work well. Our local city ruined 2 newly resurfaced tennis courts by painting pickleball courts inside of them - 2 in one tennis court and 4 in the other - all (including the tennis courts) with white lines. Good luck playing either game there now. Thanks for the great post. It ironically helps to know it's happening everywhere. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how to grow the game of tennis in the face of this challenge.

[@nategross2121]

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[@joemarshall4226]

They painted two PB courts on each of three of our four tennis courts here in our town. One on each side of the net, hanging over the baseline.....but at least they used a different color paint...yellow as opposed to white, for each sport. It doesn't bother you once you get used to it. I think it's a good strategy. Anyone can play tennis or PB...whoever shows up first gets the court....

[@AllHijinksNoHighDinks]

Actually playing Pickleball on Tennis courts is super annoying. In many communities, there are (conservatively) 20 times more people who routinely play Pickleball vs Tennis. At least in Santa Cruz, CA - I almost never see people using the 1 Tennis court, and there are lines everyday for the Pickleball courts. If there was only 1 Tennis court in a community, then given the fact that you can replace 1 Tennis court with 4 Pickleball courts, from a utilitarian perspective it makes more sense to just entirely replace the Tennis court with Pickleball courts. This is by no means an indictment of Tennis, or an argument for Pickleball being "better" - only an observation of popular sentiment and resource management.

[@davidmckenna4245]

@@AllHijinksNoHighDinks Thanks, those are really valid points. As I told our local parks and rec department, painting pickleball courts on tennis courts is actually creating a conflict that doesn't need to exist. The two sports look similar, but they both use different lines, nets, and equipment. The way to embrace pickleball is not to deter tennis players by creating a competition for space. Instead, grow pickleball in its own space, and you might even grow your tennis community simultaneously. The 2 sports, although visually similar, are not really compatible in the same space for many reasons. Thank you for pointing a few of them out.

[@joemarshall4226]

@@AllHijinksNoHighDinks When you say it is annoying, I say, "Annoying to who?" The way we do it, all six PB courts get used almost every non-rainy day....by mostly seniors. ...with a handful of players waiting. There is one tennis court still available, which also gets used most mornings. If there is more than one tennis group there, they can get a second tennis court, as long as they come first, which is rare, because the PBers start at 8am. The PBers start leaving between 10 and 1030, but some hang on til 11. The younger Pballers come at 430 or five in the pm....a much smaller group. Tennis players come int he afternnon and the evenings, and it's rare that anyone gets shut out.....but even if they do, there are other tennis courts in town, although they aren't quite as good as these, which were recently resurfaced. Several of the PBers also play tennis regularly.

[@malcolmfong4263]

From Vancouver here, we got Pickle ball courts here too, but we see people waiting for tennis courts almost all the time. Seems like people still very much enjoy tennis here.

[@stevebeck3141]

I live in Raleigh and we have a 22 court facility that is always PACKED during the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Wait list for courts is active throughout the evening and there's a challenge court for doubles that is always busy as well. Makes me happy that we NEVER see pickleballers out there! I appreciate the sport and people being active but it just ain't a replacement for tennis!

[@jtcnomad]

Not a replacement, but a competitor for new folks wanting to play a "raquet" sport. It'll be more popular than tennis within 20 years for simple fact of cost, easy to play, space and physical demand. All not true of tennis.

[@Hematoph]

There is only one set of tennis courts in my city, and it's really expensive to rent. I played tennis during the summer, and loved it, but now that I moved back it's impossible for me to play.

[@peterparahuz7094]

it's funny. in north america, public tennis courts are very plentiful. but in socialist europe they basically don't exist, and if you want to play tennis you have to pay a fortune. this is a paradox.

[@sonicmilk]

It’s an elitist sport. Our club in town all the prime slots are booked years in advanced by 3.0 level doctors and lawyers. There’s a reason why American tennis sucks.

[@Hematoph]

@@sonicmilk pickleball seems far from elitist on the other hand

[@sonicmilk]

@@Hematoph game of the people.

[@kevinellazar9875]

I totally agree with what you said. People nowadays specially the young ones want instant gratification in everything they do without putting any work. They also so caught up of their pride and so concerned with the aesthetics of how they look playing thinking that people are watching them and making fun of them which 99.9% of the time nobody is paying attention to you at all. I just started to get into playing tennis more and even though I know this is just for fun, I wanna play it right and play competitively so I'm putting the work and even if I'm having a hard time looking for someone to play with, I would practice and video myself hitting the wall, serving, and watching your channel and other coaches channel to see what needs improvements. I would be in the court 3-4 days a week for an hour mostly by myself. I would sometimes ask other courts who have a group if i can play with them or others using the tennis court for other sports (yes some people using the tennis court to play badminton, volleyball, soccer and weirdly a lot of bikers since the court is pretty big with 8 courts). It was pretty late to join a tennis club since I just started to get into playing late august. I just have this mindset coz I also play indoor volleyball competitively in higher level recreationally and anyone who's into sports know that it takes a lot of work and many practice needed to get better and be in a higher level.

[@AlGreenLightThroughGlass]

I like the free-flowing hitting that tennis provides. Some prefer the tic-tac back and forth of PB. Each to their own🤗

[@michelguevara9889]

I remember being invited to play pickle ball in a club in Mexico because all the tennis courts were reserved until very late. At first I had a hard time hitting the ball due to the short range of the pickle ball racket but in a couple of hours I was able to improve. But if I like something about the pickleball, it's the feeling you get when you hit the ball, and indeed the shots are more forgivable, also I was able to move all over the court. I believe this is the experience for some people, the feeling that is possible to play better with relatively less complex techniques. But I still love tennis cause of the rituals, the manners…but if something happens to the tennis courts, the tennis technique will still prevail in the players that adopted pickle ball.

[@joemarshall4226]

PB is fun because the dink game is so important. If you can get the other team into a dink game, and you're better at it...no matter how young or big or fast, or good their "strokes" are,, you can beat them. Variety is key....Keep them guessing, so they don't know when you are going to drop, lob, dink, drive or block (hard or soft)...it's really great fun,a dn there are a lot of different approaches.....

[@justinbouchard]

Only old people play pickleball. Nobody under 50 would even hold that paddle.

[@justinbouchard]

Also if there was tennis in schools it would be different. But apparently america only wants to push sports that sell video games and merchandise played by players who do nothing for society.

[@johnwozniak4947]

You’re one of my favorite online instructors. Wondering what you think of the Oscar Wegner teaching method.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Oscar is the pioneer of the circular swing path. He’s been teaching rec players to adapt pro strokes for decades. Legend

[@johnwozniak4947]

@@IntuitiveTennis thanks

[@technodon9]

Spot on. And no hard feeling, I truly dislike the way they put extra lines on tennis courts and that lines of pickleball is so annoying when you play.

[@pickleballer1729]

I wrote a book, which never got published , about what makes a good game. The gist of it is this: game or sports should be easy to learn, but difficult to master, so that people can start enjoying them right away, but never get tired of playing. I rated Chess, GO, Diplomacy on the game side and Soccer, Volleyball, Basketball, and Tennis on the Sports side highly. At the time, I had never heard of Pickleball, which was played by only a few thousand people. But I rate Pickleball WAY above any of those other sports by this measure. I enjoyed my very first Pickleball game, and after playing 20 or so games a week for seven years I still can't wait for my next day on the court.

[@gasperm3]

I've been a tennis pro at 3 different country clubs in the past 10 yrs (southwest), and at all 3 of these clubs tennis was by far more popular than pickle. If I see a club that has transitioned into more pickleball programming over tennis it is because of 1 of 2 reasons, either they have a shitty tennis program, or they have an older clientele. It's definitely a fact that most people seem to want things to be easier, hence the reason so many men and older people have picked up pickleball. Most guys don't have the patience to learn the proper technique for tennis, they just want to grip it and rip it, which you can get away with in pickleball. I think tennis is certainly winning with women and jr players, and I think over time more people playing pickle will get bored with it and want more challenge and have the confidence to try learning tennis.

[@AllHijinksNoHighDinks]

Well sure, but that is at country clubs. People often join those clubs specifically to play Tennis. If you look at public courts - you see an entirely different story. I agree that Tennis is more difficult from a technique standpoint, but a sport is only as challenging as your opponent is. For example, if somebody thinks they've mastered Pickleball because it's so easy, then they should be able to beat the #1 player in the world at their age bracket. (Those top players are absolute animals). Until you can beat them - you haven't mastered the sport.

[@gasperm3]

@@AllHijinksNoHighDinks Its actually popular at public tennis facilities as well, and those facilities refuse to turn any courts into pickleball for that reason. Pickle will gradually die off within 5 yrs from now, and just be a senior activity

[@AllHijinksNoHighDinks]

@@gasperm3 It's been around since 1965. It's already the fastest growing sport in America, and is currently growing faster than ever. 1/3 new players is under the age of 35. But you think it's going to die within 5 years? Hate to break it to ya buddy, but I think that's what they call "wishful thinking".

[@j0sh4tran]

Time to build our own tennis courts in our backyards!

[@nothinguploaded]

In Orange County (near Chino Hills/LA) there are often people waiting for tennis courts, so hard to get a court here.

[@humanentity2214]

I hope my local public courts are not taken away. The pickleball courts next to them are packed. It's sad to see.

[@Minorityreport44]

Never heared of Pickleball before to be honest. Dont really Think its a threat here in Germany but that is probably because we only have clay courts here. But we do see indoor courts disappear more and more from year to year. I personally think that it is very important to a sport to have top Players from your Country so the kids want to play the sport. Tennis boomed in Germany when Steffi Graf and Boris Becker where top of the game.

[@Pedro-yo4hr]

Nobody has heard of pickleball in Europe. But padel will get big in Germany eventually!

[@brianyoung1075]

Pickleball is an American sport.

[@Pedro-yo4hr]

@@brianyoung1075 You know sports can travel across countries right? lol

[@enricopascucci4802]

In some european countries we are seeing something similar with Padel. The impression I have is similar to yours with Pickleball: it's much easier than tennis, you have to cover a much smaller court, and nowadays people don't want to make a great effort to get some gratification. So in my country (Italy) I see also a lot of young people flocking to padel courts. I think we are lucky to have Jannik Sinner now because he's attracting an incredible attention from the media, something unprecedented in the last 50 years. This is keeping alive this sport. Otherwise the future of tennis (I think) would be quite grim.

[@M1ke10191]

It's happened here in Greensboro, NC, too. Definitively ominous but with that said, it could be worse. I'd rather have tennis courts turned into another racquet sport than turned into a skatepark or something. Not loving it either way though.

[@systemx4]

Big table tennis? Tennis is too difficult for most adults to pickup easily

[@mjmassi11]

Tennis is very popular where I live in the NY suburbs. On a nice day there are often waits to get onto the public courts. Plus many teaching pros, school groups, families playing together, etc. Every high school has tennis courts and a tennis team. Plus we have many indoor tennis courts. I certainly hope tennis isn't taken over by pickleball! Hopefully there is room for both. Chess is hard but is having a surge of popularity. Leaning to play musical instruments is hard too. Part of what makes tennis rewarding is that it is so challenging.

[@GinooH7]

I would like to train with you because i love the hard work and your way of teaching!! Greetings from Argentina!

[@jebronekitty]

This is actually very upsetting. I feel like the reason this is happening is because of 2 reasons, everyone wants to do something different, also tennis is so snobby. I remember joining a tennis app with my online name and the devs literally chewed me out for having my online name. I also seen lines in tennis courts here in chicago.

[@devpatel7154]

Factual. Tennis is so much better but a lot of people be seeing it as snobby

[@JovanniG678]

Thats whats happeneing at my local courts. They have four courts and two of them have already have the lines painted for pickleball and they will be coverted soon. Now, we will only have two courts and several tennis player that i know play out of there.

[@alessandroboni8032]

Here in Italy and in Europe the same thing is happening with padel which is overtaking tennis (and futsal). Hope we can hold and stay, cause the demand fir for padel is as close to a mania as it can be

[@thetruthtroll7154]

I have played tennis for 43 years. It is the higher skilled sport and takes much more effort to see results. Given we now have younger people picking up pickleball over tennis could be due to the mind state of the younger groups not willing to put in the hard work and effort needed to improve or see progress ( we do live in a instant gratification type of world ). You can play pickleball and play a game right away so it's fun for that. I am pretty decent already and have only been out few times. But pickleball is already changing and is becoming faster and needing more athleticism to play at a higher level. I have heard there have been more injuries to people playing pickleball over tennis as the ball bounces lower and the strain of hitting lower balls on a quicker court surface area. But all you said is true. Tik Tokers and Millennials do not want to put in the effort to gain the skills of tennis. After over 40 years, I am always looking to improve.

[@001niwrad]

just started playing both sports simultaneously - similar enough that skills can transfer and also great for having fun when showing up to courts. If tennis is full, play Pickleball and vive versa. no waiting around is great

[@smais94]

I agree, in today's world people do not want to put efforts in anymore. I have been playing tennis for over 40 years and I am 54 years old who dreads the day when I can no longer play tennis the way I want to play. I can still hit well, but have accepted the fact that I can no longer play matches. These days It is all about trying to save my knees and arm so I can play longer. I usually have 2 hour practice hitting sessions and sometimes play a set once in a while, playing 2 to 3 times a week. I actually like pickleball and play it a few times a month when it gets colder outside for tennis. I would rather play tennis but it is to expensive to play indoors. Tennis does unfortunately have many things against it trying to compete with pickleball. Pickleball is easy, cheaper, and you can play outside when it is colder. The weather does not affect the equipment with pickleball like it does with tennis. Pickleball for me is only fun when playing doubles and playing matches. It is possible to play matches at a higher level in pickleball even at an older age because the court is small and conditioning is not a problem. The skill gap in pickleball is much more forgiving. For me tennis is still the best and if I had the time and my body could I would play tennis everyday for the rest of my life.

[@guyrestivo]

im new to both tennis and pickelball..during winter pickelball players go inside..pay 16 bucks for 2 hrs and everyone has a wonderful time(extremely easy sport also)....with tennis in my town(and others)...all the courts are cracked with weeds growing thru them..and its a semi-affluent town...the high school courts are locked for students only(with the taxes i and others pay for and now we cant use)...the 2 sports are not even close in comparison...tennis is very hard and grueling and require tremendous effort.. incredible timing..technique and physical exertion( easily Best athletes in the world)..while pickelball is more like ping pong...u hardly have to move---but i have to admit its a blast and am hoping that my progression in indoor winter pickelball will make the transition to outdoor tennis alittle easier...i believe it will

[@SivaSiva-jh1yw]

If you've never seen people standing line for tennis courts you should come to Toronto. We have a severe lack of public courts

[@-Munditimum-]

...You nailed it. And the ones that do exist are old, gray asphalt and cracked beyond belief.

[@jkytest1]

Snobs like this is probably why people don't approach tennis the same way they approach pickleball. Whilst I acknowledge Tennis is much much more difficult to approach, doesn't mean Pickleball isn't an athletic sport. It's like bashing on Table Tennis or Badminton. It's just a different sport altogether. I do hope Tennis also picks up and grows as a community where Tennis courts are not in jeopardy, but the condescending tone sure doesn't help.

[@cSounds49]

By the way, I looked that Boston Globe article up. Nearly all the stats come from the Pickleball Association or the trade group trying to sell sports equipment. Of course they would say that. If you start from a very small number you can say it's growing quickly.Here's an example appealing to common sense. Picture standing outside Walmart and asking everybody entering how many have a tennis racquet at home. Then ask how many have a Pickleball Racquet or have even heard of it. Or do the same at your next family gathering. To me Pickleball is like extremely dumbed down Tennis. I've seen brand new players win games from people playing it for a long time. So many more nuances and skills in tennis. Also so much more fitness. I joined a Ping Pong league for a bit and quit when I noticed most of the top players were overweight. You can move and do all kinds of stuff but you can also just barely move and get away with it against many opponents. Same for Pickleball. I said I'll start playing Pickleball when I hit 90. Besides taking tennis courts away or stopping new ones being built it really hurts my tennis if I'm anywhere near people playing it. It's like being in a pinball machine. The sound of the rapid fire, hard surface against the hard ball is very, very loud. Also, even though, to my eye, the Pickleball players are playing a too easy game they nearly always are whooping and hollering like they made a Micheal Jordan level play. My area has too few tennis courts as it is. I hope Parks and Rec. Departments won't do even less for tennis and if they want Pickleball courts build them far away from Tennis Courts. Just because they look alike doesn't mean Pickleball should be near a sport, like Golf, that needs a degree of quietness.

[@dwllmrt8973]

I’m a tennis snob 😊. I love the sound of a tennis ball, the running the power. I frown upon padel and pickle ball. They are hybrid sports. Instead of padel play squash. Instead of pickle ball play ping pong 😝. The sound is awful. First time I hear it.

[@shangojackson60]

Not surprising, this happened here on Ohio with some of my favorite courts. Pickleball is just easier than tennis so the number of new pickleball players will always out number the amount of new actual tennis players

[@ovidragos5118]

I got yesterday a message from a tennis client, saying..-I will not take tennis lessons anymore for now...will play pickleball ..ha ha..

[@TheeJohnWayne]

"actual" tennis players? I play both (more tennis though) and I feel like both are great sports. Pickleball is especially good at social play and easy on the joints. Good on the people getting out there exercising and having fun. Life is too short to take everything seriously.

[@TheeJohnWayne]

@@ovidragos5118 Good for them! They know what they want to do with their limited time in the day. I've had clients do the same to me as well. It's a fun sport. I love playing pickleball on my off-tennis days. Gives my joints a break and I can socialize with friends while playing pickleball. It's much better to exercise and socialize at the same time than staying at home watching tv/youtube all the time :)

[@joemarshall4226]

@@TheeJohnWayne Exactly. and all these people who say they just got out there and beat all the experienced PB players were not playing the guys of the best levels. No matter how good a tennis player you are, it's going to take some time to learn the dink game, which is the conerstone of high level PB. I prefer tennis, but PB has some great advantages, when it comes to socializing, low impact on the body, and learning the basic game quickly.

[@hyperwarrior908]

In my city, Montreal, we have serious issue about tennis courts getting extra painted lines for pickleball. They shouldn't do that and just build some pickleball courts elsewhere instead of screwing the beauty of a tennis court. Playing tennis with pickleball's lines on the court is no great visibility.

[@marthak3174]

I enjoy both tennis and pickleball, but I am noticing there are now more of the "pickleball" lines on tennis courts. Unfortunately, I have run into numerous situations where pickleball players are telling me to move off the tennis court so they can play pickleball on a tennis court.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

It’s unfortunate

[@billuvill]

He said it, the point is that you are picking up a sport/activity/hobby. Football, basketball, american rugby, cricket, tennis, whatever your activity kink is, get down with it and enjoy it.

[@klausroethel5961]

So sad ! Love tennis! Tennis forever! ❤️🎾❤️🎾❤️🎾❤️🎾❤️🎾❤️🎾

[@ared18t]

I think tennis could adopt some aspects from racquetball and handball to fit in more courts in a small space like 2 walls on the sides of the courts.

[@guilherme_msk]

In Brazil we have the exact same issue with BEACH TENNIS, clubs are even turning football/soccer courts into beach tennis courts, let alone the tennis ones, which is pretty sad. That’s particularly true in my city (Florianopolis), where there are actual beaches, even though this is Gustavo Kuertens (Guga) hometown 😔

[@astropiazzolla]

Someone once asked me why I don't just play Wii tennis instead of bothering to go on court if I love tennis so much. I said the satisfaction I get from hitting a tennis ball well in real life is so much greater than doing it at Wii tennis. In general I find in life that greater the effort you put into something, greater the reward you feel. Maybe it takes a certain amount of masochism to be a tennis fanatic!

[@kyleh1919]

I just picked up playing tennis and this is true around northern Colorado, there's always people playing pickleball and a lot less people playing tennis. However, I haven't yet noticed a drastic decline in tennis courts around here but then again I only recently became aware of this since I just started playing tennis :D

[@ninamarie2035]

One of the top women Pickleball players to is 29 and was a junior tennis champion. She had to give up tennis due to injuries. She’s competing at the professional level, grateful tu he competing again.

[@radicalraccoon]

My girlfriend and I just starting getting into Tennis and we've noticed the substantial number of Pickleball players... I honestly think Pickleball is just a trendy sport and things will eventually balance out, but the converted Pickleball courts are unlikely to ever go back to being Tennis courts. I had no idea about all the hostility and/competition between Tennis and Pickleball players until after we started playing Tennis and it has been an issue for us already, barely even two weeks into playing Tennis. 😵‍💫

[@aquibobo]

I have friends who dropped tennis for pickle ball because of their bad knees. While I appreciate not standing in line to play tennis, it is sad that a sport has to grow at the expense of another. I hope the USTA will step up to help fight for tennis courts.

[@fernandoherranz4095]

I don't think it's a direct either/or proposition. They can co-exist, but I think tennis has to make a better argument to park districts about keeping all those unused tennis courts open. Start more clubs, encourage some small changes in the game so more can participate like simplifying the scoring, add more players so they can play doubles/triples/quads, etc. Some of this sounds crazy to a tennis traditionalist, but attracting more folks could definitely help tennis. Oh, and they also have to lose some of that snobbiness.

[@JakeLesser]

Basically if you are the kind of uncoordinated, unathletic, participation trophy, don't keep score type. You will love pickleball.

[@GOwBorgs]

I think this game is going through the same gauntlet snowboarders have gone through and will get full acceptance by all. Once it does, we'll see abilities of all level in both Tennis and Pickleball and see people transition back and forth. I've played tennis all my life and that skill transitioned over easily.

[@luminb]

we have tennis players waiting outside of the courts all the time. 4-7 pm everyday. maybe pickle ball is picking up more momentum, but tennis is not doing bad in the pandemic

[@kevinhdo90]

reminds me of dota vs league... entry barrier is much smaller in pickleball...

[@MarcelloN]

Here in italy im playing pickleball but there are not pickleball courts... i put tape on tennis courts. But I think that pickleball should not replace tennis because they are both interesting and interconnected.

[@dominik.szewior]

I think that this can be a great intro to more demanding racquet sports. Like tennis. Somehow, I'm not that surprised that people choose pb over tennis.

[@muneebahmad7887]

Be real. Pickle ball is not a real sport. Anything reserved for the elderly is not a sport, generally speaking.

[@TrevorOFarrell]

Funnily enough in the CA bay area, I often have to wait to check other tennis courts due to them being full.

[@DanielHelc]

We are good in Toronto, we are having 20-25% over capacity this year. Will see how it goes in the future. I did see however new courts being built for padel with fences and all that jazz.

[@alfredeneuman6966]

I play both Tennis and Pickleball. Pickleball is definitely growing at a crazy rate. One of courts where I play Pickleball has two Tennis courts and two Pickleball courts. The Tennis courts were lined for Pickleball and movable nets put on them. Some afternoons there are 25 or more people playing Pickleball. There is now talk of taking out the lines of the Tennis courts and relining them for Pickleball with permanent nets, which would make 6 Pickleball courts with no Tennis. Fortunately we can still find Tennis courts for play, but for how long?

[@roryoconnor4989]

Here in Brooklyn, NY it’s not uncommon to see 10,20,30 people waiting for a court. New York loves tennis. Very few pickle ball courts •‿•

[@eiseneuter2034]

This is just a hype, pickleball will be long gone, while tennis still stays.

[@wongjefx980]

I don’t think so… lots of people getting older moving to PB. My local tennis shops all sell PB gear now. Is fastest growing sport in the USA.

[@Dhji876]

Ha, it’s been around for 50 years. It’s not going anywhere. It’s only increasing.

[@lorenzosalazar813]

I belong to a pickleball club in NW Ohio with 350 members. Pickleball is so popular here we had to stop accepting new members. Younger players are coming to the courts all the time. I luv pickleball. Have met many nice people playing pickleball. It gets me outside and I interact with others. It has been nothing but positive for me.

[@eiseneuter2034]

Lol, maybe in America, in Europe this isn't even a thing, we stay with tennis.

[@pfpvilano]

Good assessment. I play both but strongly prefer tennis for several reasons but one is the higher skill level required. A second is that pickleball is mostly a doubles game and the shot selection is quite Limited. At the higher level lobs don't work and you mostly have to rely on an error by the other team. There are not many winners to be found. Anyway we play Pickleball on Sundays for fun and having a few beers.

[@dabigchina]

Tennis courts are still extremely crowded in the Bay Area. Despite this, they are still ripping out courts and replacing them with pickleball courts.

[@RichardsWorld]

On some courts they turn one tennis court in to 4 courts. I've also seen tennis courts with lots of extra room turned in to 6 courts.

[@theerasers13]

Plenty of people waiting in line for tennis courts in NYC but I understand that it's probably an exception

[@Wannabe-Pro]

Easier, more fun and social versions of hard sports could serve as a gateway to increasing the popularity of the hard sport (pickleball, topgolf, go-karts, softball, flag football, etc.)

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

I have a really hard time getting a tennis court. My tennis club allows three days out for reservations, and they're almost always fully booked. Only one hour reservations mind you. If you don't move well, then change that by getting out and moving. Elderly? So is Sylvester Stallone and he's in great shape. If you don't want to move much, try table tennis or video games.

[@scientist1200]

I'm doing my part and forcing my kids to play tennis. Helping to keep the sport alive!

[@emmaseamon3593]

Forcing kids to play a sport? Great parenting. Don't see how that could ever go wrong... I'm sure they will never grow to resent the sport...

[@fernandoherranz4095]

Yes, @@emmaseamon3593 there's nothing like forcing anybody to do something as a child and having that person hate it later on. The great tennis player Andre Agassi was forced to train by his father when he was young, and though he was awesome, he grew to hate the sport to some degree. I don't think this is a great plan for tennis' future.

[@CobraDragonTennis]

You called it today they were measuring the courts I play on. I asked are you resurfacing the courts? No we are painting in pickle ball lines. 😪

[@LetsBuildThatApp]

God how much I hate that pickleball sound. Local neighborhood folks drawing with chalk on our tennis courts to play pickleball. When we tell them that's not what its meant for they don't care. Well, at least they are having a ton of fun with 8 people on the court... better than them sitting at home wasting away.

[@NamahShivayOM-dg5ju]

In los angeles its hard to find empty tennis courts, can you suggest some tennis courts in west Los angeles

[@Chris-kf3xd]

Tennis courts where I live are being lined for pickleball not torn up.

[@jaysontang]

All the tennis courts are full in San Francisco since now you can book all public courts online, we need to build both types courts and less car parks

[@ianbuick8946]

7:30 The only way too fill tennis court again is reduce that's ridiculous USTA fee

[@fycfyc1]

Tennis also have a high barrier of entry IMO at least in North America which doesn't help the sport at all. I was fortunate to have received lessons as a kid but a lot of people I know didn't have this luxury and when they try to learn as an adult, they get thrown in the hoop of having to join a tennis club that charges an arm and leg for membership fees just to take lessons, long waitlists to get into clubs with somewhat reasonable fees, then paying for lessons and sometimes pay to book the courts. The cost just add up extremely fast and not affordable for the average joe. Oh and if you get snow it's basically a sport for less than half the year... So people end up playing with bad technique and you see it all over the public courts, they get frustrated spending more time as a ball boy than actually playing and eventually quit.

[@elizabethosumi4069]

I definitely agree with you. The cost associated with becoming decent at tennis is much higher than in pickleball where I live. While the starting cost of playing tennis and pickleball are pretty close (rackets, balls, pickleball net, etc), getting out onto the courts and playing at a level where you have that gratification has different costs. I was able to get out and play pickleball and feel pretty confident in a short amount of time. I had a great time with my friends. However, I love tennis, but to get to that same sense of gratification (hitting the ball where you want to, power, spin, etc), requires a lot more time. Having a tennis coach reduces a lot of that time and helps get that feeling of focused hardwork and being able to (correctly...hopefully) identify fixes. But, the issue lies in the cost of coaching. In my area, the cheapest lessons from any decent coach is $80/hr and $250/month to join a tennis club, or and that is a barrier to a lot of people.

[@y2washere]

If you think pickleball doesn't require good reflexes how do you explain fast hands battles, speed ups and resets?

[@ayokay123]

Great commentary! Btw, are you using a Pure Drive or an older model Pure Aero? Hard to tell.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Pure drive

[@pjpj2639]

Never played tennis…played basketball in college now a somewhat high level pickleball player after three years….appreciate tennis …great game..but many teens athletic guys who love the game…a lot of strategy not just baseline to baseline volleys…just an observation.

[@johnfurseth9791]

PS: Many players in our tennis Meetup group start playing in USTA leagues and tournaments once they achieve a NTRP rating between 3.5 and 4.0. They love the game!

[@MegaYto]

Trinity Bellwoods Park Tennis courts on weekend and weekdays have 30-45 min wait times