Lost in Translation - How Rome's Multi-Ethnic Army Communicated

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@daviddavis4885
@daviddavis4885 3 жыл бұрын
General: (Latin) Quickly go around the side in a flanking maneuver, then once you’re there.... Legate: (Gaulic) Go around the side until further notice Centurion: (Regional language) Uhhh... forwards?
@andresp1582
@andresp1582 3 жыл бұрын
@@baconbaron1776 agreed
@majormarketing6552
@majormarketing6552 3 жыл бұрын
This is why the east was far more stable. Greek
@Dave_Sisson
@Dave_Sisson 3 жыл бұрын
Strong parallels with the Austro-Hungarian Empire and their performance in the First World War, although they *only* had to deal with 10 major languages plus a few dozen dialects.
@MiciusPorcius
@MiciusPorcius 3 жыл бұрын
Legate: “Nien! Around the hill” General: “Novem?! No the whole cohort” Centurion: “Colle? ....an Mons?” Infantryman: “Quis in Primus?”😏
@DavidSantos-ix1hu
@DavidSantos-ix1hu 3 жыл бұрын
Basically yes.
@tfstalshek6398
@tfstalshek6398 3 жыл бұрын
"They would have to least learn the basics of military talk in Latin: so basically commands and insults." War... war never changes.
@urbanwarchief
@urbanwarchief 3 жыл бұрын
Dude in Cree i love to swear!!! Do you know what weent chisk means?
@cautarepvp2079
@cautarepvp2079 3 жыл бұрын
hahaahah
@poki580
@poki580 3 жыл бұрын
I mean it was so "diverse" linguistically that 90% of western europe still speaks latin
@poki580
@poki580 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 what? I was talking how almost all of western europe speaks a derivative of latin today Which means the general populace spoke Latin back then which means it was not as diverse linguistically
@poki580
@poki580 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 today its barely intelligible, thousand years ago it was just dialects of the same language
@samiamrg7
@samiamrg7 3 жыл бұрын
This is why one of my favorite scenes in “Life of Brian” is the one where the Roman soldier catches Brian writing grafitti and instead of punishing him, the soldier instead forces him to correct his poor Latin grammar and then orders Brian to write more grafitti with the correct grammar.
@bigthoughts2644
@bigthoughts2644 Жыл бұрын
A beautiful classic
@henryfanforever1414
@henryfanforever1414 Жыл бұрын
“Now don’t do it again.”
@retro_boy_advance
@retro_boy_advance Жыл бұрын
“What did the Romans do for us anyway?”
@swhip897
@swhip897 6 ай бұрын
​@@retro_boy_advanceshowed us how an empire falls
@BramVanhooydonck
@BramVanhooydonck 3 жыл бұрын
"Batavians thought high of themselves" Me, a Belgian: "So if you close your eyes, does it almost feel like nothing changed at all."
@bramvanhooijdonk1185
@bramvanhooijdonk1185 3 жыл бұрын
Broooooo wij hebben dezelfde naam
@BramVanhooydonck
@BramVanhooydonck 3 жыл бұрын
@@bramvanhooijdonk1185 Gelukkig niet 100% hetzelfde
@anthonychilders9549
@anthonychilders9549 3 жыл бұрын
Funny enough I just watched a video not 30 minutes ago about a Batavian trade ship.
@theleetworldbest
@theleetworldbest 3 жыл бұрын
Stop simping for Germanics, your national root lies within Celtic Belgae.
@jgenard
@jgenard 3 жыл бұрын
@theleetworldbest Many Belgae tribes were at least partly Germanic. But these ethnocultural divisions are mostly bullshit/conjecture anyway. ‘Stop simping’ for white supremacist pseudo-historians.
@kanyekubrick5391
@kanyekubrick5391 3 жыл бұрын
This is much more interesting than what I was doing before
@GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches
@GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches 3 жыл бұрын
This is the first thing I'm watching post nut.
@3asianassassin
@3asianassassin 3 жыл бұрын
More interesting than the idea rome was all white by losers who think knowing a lot about rome makes them more interesting than everyone else
@ZacharyReaper
@ZacharyReaper 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@kingmuddy5898
@kingmuddy5898 3 жыл бұрын
What was I doing again? Oh yeah my chem hw.
@Geywilliamjohnson432
@Geywilliamjohnson432 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches horny bonk
@marcelanafranceska627
@marcelanafranceska627 3 жыл бұрын
No doubt they thought "where's the subtitles?" When they're in different countries
@danielaramburo7648
@danielaramburo7648 3 жыл бұрын
Roman general: Climb the hill and set up the archers. Soldier: I don’t understand you. Roman general: hold on..... hey google, translate.
@gabrielvergara4633
@gabrielvergara4633 3 жыл бұрын
What's a subtitle? (a roman soldier probably)
@Theevil6ify
@Theevil6ify 3 жыл бұрын
"Weeaboos go to Japan and be like 'Wh...where are the subtitles?" -Filthy Frank
@003mohamud
@003mohamud 3 жыл бұрын
@@Theevil6ify east african and arab traders in se asia and china be like:
@animeyahallo3887
@animeyahallo3887 3 жыл бұрын
They just recruit the Best Translator of their age which is a direct descendant of Biggus Dickus.
@robertbruce7686
@robertbruce7686 3 жыл бұрын
Or Glutus Macimus....
@khanhtran8772
@khanhtran8772 3 жыл бұрын
* try to hold my laugh *
@robertbruce7686
@robertbruce7686 3 жыл бұрын
@@khanhtran8772 "was that man laughing?" (Muffled guffaw) "ffrooow him to the ground"
@robertfaucher3750
@robertfaucher3750 3 жыл бұрын
You ever hear the tragedy of Phallus Giganteus the Massive? I thought so. Not a story the Greeks would tell you.
@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertbruce7686 Wuffly!
@Mrkabrat
@Mrkabrat 3 жыл бұрын
*Gives a long, inspiring speech in latin* General: Any questions? Auxiliary troops from the far corners of the empire: What did he say?
@zainmudassir2964
@zainmudassir2964 3 жыл бұрын
He said it's lunchtime.....
@spaceman081447
@spaceman081447 3 жыл бұрын
@Mrkabrat In a situation like that, the general would probably use a translator.
@thedukeofdeathpt6262
@thedukeofdeathpt6262 3 жыл бұрын
@@zainmudassir2964 Yep, they'll feast in the human blood and corpses of their enemies
@Mrkabrat
@Mrkabrat 3 жыл бұрын
@@zainmudassir2964 Is that an Asterix and Obelix reference?
@lessssssgooooo
@lessssssgooooo 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mrkabrat what did he say ?
@casparvoncampenhausen5249
@casparvoncampenhausen5249 3 жыл бұрын
-What's you name? -Habitshupyta -Hello, Hank
@freedombro6502
@freedombro6502 3 жыл бұрын
Its common even today when being abroad to take a name of the place you are in . I have a Korean name, Arabic name and my English name
@freedombro6502
@freedombro6502 3 жыл бұрын
@T teg Egg common thats not legible
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me think of the Metatron video he did on Barbarians... That first scene where it’s the Greek and the Roman talking about who’s a barbarian.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 3 жыл бұрын
Hmph... southerners... /this comment was brought to you by the Ultima Thule tribes
@kushalthapa5177
@kushalthapa5177 3 жыл бұрын
I see a noble here.
@full-timepog6844
@full-timepog6844 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a latin keyboard? How do u have the - on your letters?
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 3 жыл бұрын
@@full-timepog6844 there is a Latin keyboard, it’s the one you are using actually... The English alphabet is really just the Latin alphabet with a few more letters. As far as the - above some of the letters in my name, they are accent marks, and most keyboards have access to them.
@DudeWatIsThis
@DudeWatIsThis 3 жыл бұрын
I find Metatron profoundly cringy and boring. 45 minute videos which could be condensed in 20 minutes, as well as his new Cringe Legion stuff. Urgh, hard pass.
@HistoryOfRevolutions
@HistoryOfRevolutions 3 жыл бұрын
‘Census’ is a Latin word, and the modern notion of a state counting the population is a direct legacy from the Roman system of counting its citizens. The complex Roman census process involved a sworn declaration of age, family and property, allowing the administration to record the city’s human and property resources and to rank them
@Rampart.X
@Rampart.X 3 жыл бұрын
.. and to then tax them mercilessly 😈
@jorge69696
@jorge69696 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rampart.X And steal property when they government needed money. Maybe that's why burrowed vases with coins and jewelry have been found.
@TheAlmightyAss
@TheAlmightyAss 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the first census taken in Egypt?
@Slayer119988
@Slayer119988 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlmightyAss I believe the Sumerians did it even before them, perhaps Babylonians or Assyrians .
@rifkifanani3694
@rifkifanani3694 3 жыл бұрын
i like to think 'census' exist since the dawn of organized society
@joebollig2689
@joebollig2689 3 жыл бұрын
The Austrian-Hungarian Army used “Army Deutsch,” a simplified German. However, the French Foreign Legion requires recruits to learn French.
@ankokunokayoubi
@ankokunokayoubi 3 жыл бұрын
So Simplified German was a thing?
@robinderoos1166
@robinderoos1166 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and the german parts pissed the rest off by their superior attitude
@lsarenkir
@lsarenkir 3 жыл бұрын
the legion was a mean for foreigners to serve and later becoming French proper, so it's different than the Austro-Hungarian, having multi-lingual army domestically.
@joebollig2689
@joebollig2689 3 жыл бұрын
Good point, Reof.
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 3 жыл бұрын
FFL requires recruits to "learn" French, but it's a rudimentary version of French enough for them to follow orders. You're not going to master the language in 6 months.
@camrendavis6650
@camrendavis6650 3 жыл бұрын
This is something that I've always wondered, not just with Rome, but all ancient civilized superpowers. If you look at China or India, for example, tons of different people groups tons of completely different languages and yet they are all United under one crown. How do they get the word out so effectively? The emperor lives up in the north but they speak a different language in the south it... it's just.....wow. and how do they pick each other's languages up so quickly? At least enough to where they can get their points across?
@horsenuggets1018
@horsenuggets1018 3 жыл бұрын
At least in China the language itself was the same in a literary sense but there was an official dialect spoken for administration for each dynasty
@camrendavis6650
@camrendavis6650 3 жыл бұрын
@@horsenuggets1018 exactly, and with it constantly changing with every dynasty, it's amazing how they managed to keep the communication going
@JayzsMr
@JayzsMr 3 жыл бұрын
Because they had a lingua franca. It's the same today ,just look at what language we are using here and how many of us are not native speakers, I am not for example.
@camrendavis6650
@camrendavis6650 3 жыл бұрын
@@JayzsMr still though, the idea is amazing to me
@Jattmafia313
@Jattmafia313 3 жыл бұрын
Well India was never really untied except a few times in history. Under the Mauryan dynasty (325BC-185BC), Mughals (1500s-1700s) and British (1800s-1947).
@chariotrider9716
@chariotrider9716 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Brutus was known as an honorable name
@SolarpunkEnjoyer
@SolarpunkEnjoyer 3 жыл бұрын
SO ARE THEY ALL; ALL HONORABLE MEN!
@MusaMansu
@MusaMansu 3 жыл бұрын
@@SolarpunkEnjoyer I have come here to speak at Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, he was faithful and just to me.
@rottik3327
@rottik3327 3 жыл бұрын
@@MusaMansu But Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honourable man.
@SolarpunkEnjoyer
@SolarpunkEnjoyer 3 жыл бұрын
@Hernando Malinche If it were so it was a grievous fault! And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it. He hath brought many captives home to Rome whose ransoms did the general coffers fill: did this in Caesar seem ambitious? When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept! Ambition should be made of sterner stuff, yet Brutus says he was ambitious; and Brutus is an honourable man. You do know that on the Lupercal , Antony thrice presented him a kingly crown, which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition? Yet Brutus says he was ambitious; and, sure, he is an honourable man. I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke, but here I am to speak what I do know. We all did love him once, not without cause: what cause withholds us then, to mourn for him? O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts, and men have lost their reason! Bear with me; my heart is in the coffin there with Caesar, and I must pause till it come back to me.
@piotrgrzelak2613
@piotrgrzelak2613 3 жыл бұрын
BTW does anyone know if Brutus is a regional name, meaning someone from Brutia? Same with the word brutal. You know, the Brutti tribe from Campania
@scyllah4931
@scyllah4931 3 жыл бұрын
In Pompeii one of the brothels has paintings of different uh positions, and one thought is it was so people could just point at what they want and bingo bango bongo language barrier problem solved.
@banananotebook3331
@banananotebook3331 3 жыл бұрын
It's like how today, there are pictures and numbers in fast food restaurants above the ordering counter, which must serve the same purpose. The more things change...
@MelkromisteinWeeb
@MelkromisteinWeeb 3 жыл бұрын
Nice. Asterix the Legionary is also one of my favourites.
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc 3 жыл бұрын
For me I really enjoyed reading as a kid (and also watching it as well).
@casparvoncampenhausen5249
@casparvoncampenhausen5249 3 жыл бұрын
They're awesome
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc 3 жыл бұрын
@@casparvoncampenhausen5249 Agreed.
@cactuslietuva
@cactuslietuva 3 жыл бұрын
Im just surprised how far it is known. Im from eastern Europe and also know about asterix and obelix
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc
@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc 3 жыл бұрын
@@cactuslietuva I'm from Australia - and I know it was around when my parents were children as well.
@Dovahhatty
@Dovahhatty 3 жыл бұрын
neat vid
@pedrosalvador1146
@pedrosalvador1146 3 жыл бұрын
Caralho, o dovahatty comentando em um canal que só fala de Roma? Que coisa estranha! Kkkkk
@pedrosalvador1146
@pedrosalvador1146 3 жыл бұрын
Inclusive, parabéns pelo conteúdo cara, um dos melhores do KZbin.
@JuiceStainded
@JuiceStainded 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your video on Justinian!
@full-timepog6844
@full-timepog6844 3 жыл бұрын
Patricians in the comment section.
@Y_Surniaiev
@Y_Surniaiev 3 жыл бұрын
The auxiliaries were at it again.
@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait 3 жыл бұрын
Dude in the thumbnail looks like he's telling the audience that aliens did it.
@sabirrugunate1286
@sabirrugunate1286 3 жыл бұрын
Is that even possible? ( suspense pause) it may just be.... Aliens
@Dankschon
@Dankschon 3 жыл бұрын
Epstein non sibi mortem.
@andresvalverde5182
@andresvalverde5182 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dankschon nice
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines 3 жыл бұрын
2:28 a little shade on the History channel I see
@winniepooh4630
@winniepooh4630 3 жыл бұрын
You know that ancient aliens built the pyramids, and they were present also present in the first thanksgiving.
@senpainoticeme9675
@senpainoticeme9675 3 жыл бұрын
Last Time I was this early, Aenas was trying to escape from Troy.
@Ermagron
@Ermagron 3 жыл бұрын
Last time i was this early Venus was fucking with a random man.
@orrorsaness5942
@orrorsaness5942 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ermagron If Venus exists, wouldn't she be doing so right now? Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
@davidmoser3535
@davidmoser3535 3 жыл бұрын
Boring
@senpainoticeme9675
@senpainoticeme9675 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidmoser3535 yeah like your Mom
@yagollopart897
@yagollopart897 3 жыл бұрын
At last a worthy book! You gained instant respect with those images from the Asterix the legionary comic hahahaha best Asterix & Obelix ever. Great video btw!
@swissmith1
@swissmith1 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about Asterix & Obélix is how it gets better the more you know about ancient history. I’m still getting new jokes over twenty years after first reading them.
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead 3 жыл бұрын
@Swissmith: I still remember reading one issue during my childhood in which the two wound up in a city in southern Gaul and everyone but them had a deep tan..
@Samsok013
@Samsok013 3 жыл бұрын
Asterix and obelix, mmm you have my respect, by Toutatis!
@gerardosalazar161
@gerardosalazar161 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Fanagalo, a common language developed in South Africa long time ago for miners to be able to communicate among themselves; it contains around 2,000 words and it is a mix of several languages with a predominance of Zulu.
@adventuresincrt1376
@adventuresincrt1376 3 жыл бұрын
Gaul officer to Roman translator: We go across the ridge of those mountains. Roman translator to Roman general: What Captain Goobledygook here was trying to say was...
@Yorgar
@Yorgar 3 жыл бұрын
Insults, drink, and how to get a woman. the first things a soldier learns
@arx3516
@arx3516 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 those are essential, but a soldier still needs to ask for the prices at the local brothel, and must be able to insult the owner for the bad wine/beer.
@johnsierra3537
@johnsierra3537 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao cringe
@florinivan6907
@florinivan6907 3 жыл бұрын
Soldiers have been drunks and skirt chasers since forever. Its pretty much a rule. Any soldier that says 'the guys in my platoon are not like that' is either lying or he's incredibly naive about the people he's dealing with.
@thebluesmurfdude
@thebluesmurfdude 3 жыл бұрын
The first thing I learned was how to do a four count push up. Only later was I told about the four fundamentals of the army. 1. Find oil. 2. Secure oil. 3. Buy a Dodge Charger. 4. Marry a stripper. But “corrective training” comes first.
@spongmongler6760
@spongmongler6760 3 жыл бұрын
1 call them a soldier, 2 punch a liver beforehand and 3 they don't have a choice. soldiers, everyone!
@diegovarela8097
@diegovarela8097 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Cicero still had a head
@MrAwrsomeness
@MrAwrsomeness 3 жыл бұрын
Cicero still had hands.
@diegovarela8097
@diegovarela8097 3 жыл бұрын
@Anessen All three of them! Definitely before he got his tongue pierced by Fulvia
@diegovarela8097
@diegovarela8097 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAwrsomeness I think he is referring to how Antony ordered Cicero's hands to be cut (as well as his head) and be brought to the speaking platform he used, as revenge for Cicero's criticism towards him. I am probably wrong though
@CivilWarWeekByWeek
@CivilWarWeekByWeek 3 жыл бұрын
They didn't have google translate?
@mdstanton1813
@mdstanton1813 3 жыл бұрын
Bad wifi on the fringes of the empire
@thelegend_doggo1062
@thelegend_doggo1062 3 жыл бұрын
They did, but they would’ve had to use 5G, and we all know how that causes cancer.
@chienbanane3168
@chienbanane3168 3 жыл бұрын
Dude are you for real? Google didn't even exist in this time! They probably used Bing or something...
@JerichoJulius0
@JerichoJulius0 3 жыл бұрын
@@chienbanane3168 Pretty sure the root of the problem is that they had to use the ancien "Internet Explorer", and we all know how horrendous it runs.
@cmelton6796
@cmelton6796 3 жыл бұрын
Their GPS was bogus too. Everywhere said "hic sunt leones"
@GrandChat
@GrandChat 3 жыл бұрын
This was very insightful. Occasional speculation due to lack of understandable evidence was acknowledged and sources and background made me appreciate your program even more. Kudos!
@viktorkukuruzovic5332
@viktorkukuruzovic5332 3 жыл бұрын
asterix novels are amazing, the use of different fonts to show that characters are speaking in different languages is hilarious
@mrrandom1265
@mrrandom1265 3 жыл бұрын
We have the same issue nowadays. The French foreign legion is made of soldiers from all over the world and they learn French very fast.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 3 жыл бұрын
Or, they start racking up diciplinary infractions for misunderstanding orders fast...
@zeriyx
@zeriyx 3 жыл бұрын
considering the absolute abysmal pay for the french foreign legion, recruits must primarily come from the third world or from people seeking EU citizenship. money is a great motivator.
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 3 жыл бұрын
@@zeriyx That's so not true. Majority of legionnaires today are from Europe or North America. It usually has to do with countries downsizing their militaries, a bunch of unemployed ex-military on the market looking for new work. And legionnaire pay is not that bad, it's on par with that of the US army.
@zeriyx
@zeriyx 3 жыл бұрын
@@taoliu3949 it's less than the US army and it scales more slowly, unless it has recently changed.
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 3 жыл бұрын
@@zeriyx A brand new Legionnaire makes 1348Euro/1636USD a month, which is about the same as a brand new E1 in the US Military. Pay goes up significantly if you're in a Para regiment, moreso than US Army Jump Pay. The same goes for deployment pay too. Pay does scale slower with rank, but by then we're not talking about new joins anymore.
@Baamthe25th
@Baamthe25th 3 жыл бұрын
The Astérix reference take this video to new heights
@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779
@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779 3 жыл бұрын
Even the Varangian Guard had a greek commander.
@CDNShuffle
@CDNShuffle 3 жыл бұрын
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 Nero had a thing for greeks
@badartgallery9322
@badartgallery9322 3 жыл бұрын
@@CDNShuffle me too
@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779
@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779 3 жыл бұрын
@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva Yes, in the XI century. In the beginings, when the Varengians where really Varengians, and not exiled Saxons, the commander was a greek Akolouthos.
@Fenniks-
@Fenniks- 3 жыл бұрын
I hope in the future you might do a video about Romanization, And the lands where a lot of the Roman veterans settled.
@thelegend_doggo1062
@thelegend_doggo1062 3 жыл бұрын
I really wanna see more films and shows like Barbarian, that show what things were actually like on the ground, cause most people when thinking of the Roman Empire and its military just think of a bunch of squares on a map.
@junior1497
@junior1497 3 жыл бұрын
*Historia Civillis has entered the chat*
@ballapeti
@ballapeti 3 жыл бұрын
That’s how the Legion Etrangere deals with communication today. You join, you learn french.
@lamykaswiccanpodcast
@lamykaswiccanpodcast 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this one!! Language and culture are so important especially when trying to navigate and lead a cohesive military force (much less a country or empire).
@mateusz73
@mateusz73 3 жыл бұрын
I think others in addition to myself would like sources or at least some references what is discussed in the videos in the description or a pinned comment or something. For example, I'm 90% sure you referenced Apuleius's the golden ass. As to the plays you mentioned I have no idea so giving examples of such thing to us would be neat for those of us who would like to research more on our own and use your videos as a diving board. Anyways if you refer to things in the video but do not directly mention them please mention or list them in the description, it's a move other historical youtube channels have been doing for a while whether it be mhv/drach/mah to world war 2 channel to atun-shei and I think it is sorely missed for this channel as well. Please consider
@TJPenitencia
@TJPenitencia 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! I studied interpreters and translators between the papacy and the Mongols in the 13th Century after becoming frustrated with the secondary resources so easily glossing over the fact that history's main characters often did not come from the same language groups. Thank you for your work on this!
@petermacolino8275
@petermacolino8275 3 жыл бұрын
One note worth mentioning: In the Netflix show Barbarians, while the Germanic tribes to speak German, they speak modern German and not early CE German.
@stephentroake7155
@stephentroake7155 3 жыл бұрын
peter macolino yup.
@dinodinoslav
@dinodinoslav 3 жыл бұрын
The show is German and so are actors portraying Germanic people. There is almost no evidence about language of Germanic people at the time of events depicted by the show, only speculative linguistic theories based on later historical sources.
@sualtam9509
@sualtam9509 3 жыл бұрын
@@dinodinoslav linguistics "theories" are not speculative, but logical derivations in the sense of a mathematical proof. That's why they are no theories, but laws.
@dinodinoslav
@dinodinoslav 3 жыл бұрын
@@sualtam9509 "Logical derivation" is what kind of nonsense? Linguists can only speculate about their language, there is no historical evidence in written form and no living speakers... Even if they spend lifetime doing this, they will only have unprovable theory at best - bullshit science.
@sualtam9509
@sualtam9509 3 жыл бұрын
@@dinodinoslav No because you can also predict real languages before you find the textual evidence. For example Mycenean was for a long time a reconstructed language of Ancient Greek until the Linear B script was decoded and it could be read.
@dsw1664
@dsw1664 3 жыл бұрын
I'd have a guess that it's similar to how the French Foreign Legion teach today where people from 140 countries come together and speaking a single language (French). You need to know how to understand orders and the names of the parts of your equipment, but you don't need to be able to have an advanced indepth talk of socioeconomic policies. But everyone sticks to their own (mafia) or speaking group in their spare time Francophones, Eastern Bloc, Spanish, Anglophones don't often mix.
@dsw1664
@dsw1664 3 жыл бұрын
Not even 3 minutes in and I'm crying that the Library at Alexandria burned to the ground. 😥
@badartgallery9322
@badartgallery9322 3 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@zainmudassir2964
@zainmudassir2964 3 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭🔥
@blockmasterscott
@blockmasterscott 3 жыл бұрын
My heart is broken every time I see a video about it.
@edp445fanaccount9
@edp445fanaccount9 3 жыл бұрын
Me as a history geek 😢
@ZephLodwick
@ZephLodwick 3 жыл бұрын
Today's, the 24th of January, is Hadrian's birthday. Happy birthday, Princeps!
@gideon9096
@gideon9096 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Gaul was still in its entirety divided into three parts.
@SecretTapeworm
@SecretTapeworm 3 жыл бұрын
Been following the channel for a while and the artwork has improved immensely over time.
@robinaboy
@robinaboy 3 жыл бұрын
I think the use of trumpets and banners to signal manoeuvres and orders was also a way to overcome language barriers.
@eyeballpapercut4400
@eyeballpapercut4400 3 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting Asterix. That flung me waaaaay back into very old nostalgic memories.
@89tonstar
@89tonstar 3 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, even in the late empire, latin was still the primary language of the army. Commands, ranks, honors remained in Latin for hundreds of years.
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 3 жыл бұрын
The late army spoke Greek as the Roman empire had developed into the Byzantine empire.
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 3 жыл бұрын
@LegoGuy87 Latin was dropped in the Byzantine empire over 1000 years ago. As the so called Byzantine empire actually was called "the Roman empire", because it was a continuation of it. Whatever they were called or called themselves, the language they spoke was Greek. Also many people seem not to know that the Roman empire turned into the greco-roman empire after Greek territories were conquered. Greek was one of the two official languages of the Roman empire, the Roman elite spoke Greek as well as Latin. It was common for Roman noble families to send their sons to study in Greece or have them educated by a Greek teacher. Greek was used in Roman administration and military already when the republic ended . There is though an area where Latin was in use until not many centuries ago, which is the German speaking world.
@alejandrosakai1744
@alejandrosakai1744 2 жыл бұрын
3:40, it was fantastic, that you chose Metellus' situation with Segimer and his tribe!
@collinsagyeman6131
@collinsagyeman6131 3 жыл бұрын
I also love Asterix and Obelix. The Indomitable Gauls
@keselekbakiak
@keselekbakiak 3 жыл бұрын
That asterix comic was my favourite one. I enjoy seeing their commander keep getting angry
@BIGJATPSU
@BIGJATPSU 3 жыл бұрын
I'm almost positive sticking the sharp pointy end in the other man IS a universal language no matter the time period. 😂
@ronjayrose9706
@ronjayrose9706 3 жыл бұрын
Or their wive/women screaming
@BIGJATPSU
@BIGJATPSU 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronjayrose9706 lmao
@petyreaper
@petyreaper 3 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of video explain the history behind the history, like the one that um talk about the laws in the ancient rome and how they organize the march of the legions and the resources, it is so good to learn this simply things that happen in that time, and few of us have acess to
@Olli399
@Olli399 3 жыл бұрын
"Declaring that they had never been beaten" "Send them back to Britain" Of course they were British lol. Hasn't changed one bit.
@myrddinemrys1332
@myrddinemrys1332 3 жыл бұрын
Britain also had 4 legions stationed there for about 100 years and 3 for 250 years which was more than the average province with 2 remaining after 300AD until the last few decades of direct Roman rule. Partially because of the tribes beyond Hadrian's Wall and partially because Britannia was a pretty rebellious province, especially what is now North Wales which in modern day is still where you will find the most native speakers of Welsh.
@myrddinemrys1332
@myrddinemrys1332 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 True although they did strike a deal with Gallia or were part of the same revolt a couple of times. And in the case of Carausius, he was in charge of the Classis Britannica and got legions to join him rather than a legion or governor convincing him to join them.
@ScrubbyBubbles
@ScrubbyBubbles 3 жыл бұрын
Man... when invicta puts up a video on Rome you KNOW its gonna be good lol.
@シロダサンダー
@シロダサンダー 3 жыл бұрын
I like how at 4:41 the Netherlands are shown with our modern land-sea borders. :3
@FireOccator
@FireOccator 3 жыл бұрын
How people from different regions communicated in those times seems like a worthy subject on its own.
@jefffinkbonner9551
@jefffinkbonner9551 3 жыл бұрын
2:40 “but can only communicate with broken Greek; and violence.” 💀💀💀
@jwayk9750
@jwayk9750 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Arminius and Flavius met again! That story of them talking at the river is fascinating and very humanizing of a great historical event.
@KilledByThatTrain
@KilledByThatTrain 3 жыл бұрын
General: New recruits, do you understand my orders? Soldiers: Fo shizzle my nizzle!
@stephenkenney8290
@stephenkenney8290 3 жыл бұрын
Some days Rome regrets conquering the hood.
@hunterzolomon1303
@hunterzolomon1303 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkenney8290 😂😂😂
@procrastinator99
@procrastinator99 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkenney8290 BY JUPITER, MY SIDES!!
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkenney8290 best
@ronjayrose9706
@ronjayrose9706 3 жыл бұрын
@@procrastinator99 By Odin My Ears
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 3 жыл бұрын
09:20 In the Netherlands we still have issues with arrogant people from Holland (the region), in fact the reason most foreigners call our entire country "Holland" is because of their arrogance.
@zeriyx
@zeriyx 3 жыл бұрын
in english, the netherlands is an odd name for a country, and it seemingly has nothing to do with the demonym "dutch". "holland" is just easier on the ears.
@nico-lasty
@nico-lasty 3 жыл бұрын
The Dutch government only put actions to rebrand it as Netherlands from Holland only in 2019. So you can't say people are ignorant when your own government didn't make it clear. If you can't tell the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England then you are arrogant... Get off your pedestal lad, from a country that just has bikes and weed you need to chill.
@Jack-Hands
@Jack-Hands 3 жыл бұрын
It's ironic really. Seeing as the batavians came from the southern regions of the Netherlands. So... Brabant. Which explains a lot.
@zeus0710
@zeus0710 3 жыл бұрын
In Spanish we call the Netherlands Holanda. I learned something new now.
@danshakuimo
@danshakuimo 3 жыл бұрын
@@nico-lasty In some languages the UK is known as a rendition of England. In Mandarin Chinese the UK is still England and the Netherlands is still Holland.
@jamesnincross
@jamesnincross 3 жыл бұрын
That was incredible. Not long enough. Thank you!
@todo9633
@todo9633 3 жыл бұрын
I always assumed it involved a lot of grunting, pointing and charades. Also the Romans would definitely have forced others to learn Roman to communicate with them, that's just such a Roman thing to do.
@chrisdominguez5097
@chrisdominguez5097 3 жыл бұрын
After all, it's "Integrate or suffer" kind of a world. Very objective. Very pragmatic. Something we can all pick up right now.
@SuperEone1
@SuperEone1 2 жыл бұрын
the roman language is called latin
@PanzerDave
@PanzerDave 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like many armies throughout history. The French Foreign Legion spends some time in basic training teaching French. The British empire had whole regiments of foreign soldiers. The National Socialists in later WWII had similar units. Historic China has many different languages. Thank you for another excellent and very informative video.
@Rohilla313
@Rohilla313 3 жыл бұрын
My favourite Asterix - Asterix the Legionary ❤️❤️❤️
@robertsuhren3543
@robertsuhren3543 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the videos man. This is so well researched and i got such a different understanding of the roman empire because of you
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen the Netflix series Barbarians. And it was a delight to watch. I would love to see some of what was mentioned in this video in a season 2 of that series.
@RossHbn
@RossHbn 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your informative and high quality videos.
@caesarshotdogchampion8738
@caesarshotdogchampion8738 3 жыл бұрын
Attempt #8: What if Julius Caesar had survived Part 3 I know others share my sentiment. Like this so Invicta can see
@MrAlepedroza
@MrAlepedroza 3 жыл бұрын
This. Its been a year already
@ItsJoKeZ
@ItsJoKeZ 3 жыл бұрын
I HAVE BEEN WONDERING FOR SO LONG THANK YOU
@islagames
@islagames 3 жыл бұрын
British army is multiethnic. Scott: I'm de-highlandered fighting side by side with Asian mountain men. Gurkha: I'm feminized fighting side by side with soldiers in mini skirt.
@user-uy1rg8td1v
@user-uy1rg8td1v 3 жыл бұрын
Lives in very windy lands. Decides that a mini skirt is acceptable wear for men. Spends their lives imitating Marylin Monroe. I will never understand Scottish men.
@onemoreminute0543
@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын
1:10 Damn, was not expecting Asterix to be brought up!
@Theodre_Verany
@Theodre_Verany 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Romans were dying at Cannae.
@_raresis5405
@_raresis5405 3 жыл бұрын
too soon
@PowerSkiff12
@PowerSkiff12 3 жыл бұрын
@@_raresis5405 just like that assault
@davidmoser3535
@davidmoser3535 3 жыл бұрын
Boring
@Mulambdaline1
@Mulambdaline1 3 жыл бұрын
Another creative video! Loved it!
@nothingtoospiffy7913
@nothingtoospiffy7913 3 жыл бұрын
Did you put a picture of Dickon Tarly as Flavus? 😆
@SolarpunkEnjoyer
@SolarpunkEnjoyer 3 жыл бұрын
Rickon?!
@Meirstein
@Meirstein 3 жыл бұрын
@@SolarpunkEnjoyer Dickon *Bronn laughs*
@ducomaritiem7160
@ducomaritiem7160 3 жыл бұрын
This content is much appreciated!
@SOLOMOOON1
@SOLOMOOON1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, i noticed a visual mistake tho, when you talk about the batavians, the warior on the left is actually a Dacian noble.
@usurum4898
@usurum4898 3 жыл бұрын
What minute is this in?
@hankwilliams150
@hankwilliams150 3 жыл бұрын
An extremely interesting video and SO nice not to be interrupted by ads!!!
@mlvcsj
@mlvcsj 3 жыл бұрын
Im proud to be here when it was uploaded 3 minutes ago.
@SeanDunkley
@SeanDunkley 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating and educational as always! Thank you!
@inpito
@inpito 3 жыл бұрын
Alexander the Great spread Greek culture when he went conquering.
@samwalker4761
@samwalker4761 Жыл бұрын
I think the Legions allowing Greek to be spoken is quite interesting when you consider it as part of the wider attitude of "if it works, use it" that the Legions had, such as the famous Gladius Hispaniensis swords being adopted following Iberian designs, and the broader use of Chainmail and Galea helmets mirroring the Mail and Montefortino style helms worn by their Celtic counterparts.
@thadsul
@thadsul 3 жыл бұрын
Up to some point in the video I was still thinking "but how did the soldiers actually learn the language? Like, to execute orders properly?" Then I thought on how I dont speak japanese, but learned everything necessary for kendo practice: all the japanese vocabulary for the equipment, actions, names of exercises, directions, commands, rules for championships and even some abstract stuff. It's all picked up quite quickly actually, even more if you join the legion and has a military routine 24/7 based on latin/greek commands
@JBarry94
@JBarry94 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video, I enjoyed. But there is a little spelling mistake at 3:24. Language. Keep up the good work
@MyTv-
@MyTv- 3 жыл бұрын
It was a mark of the Roman elite to speak Greek, Latin was considered plebeian. Many of Caesars quotes was in Greek, then later translated to Latin for the unwashed masses.
@cortexavery1324
@cortexavery1324 3 жыл бұрын
Wow... a reference to Asterix in some of my usal englophone content ?! Wasn't expecting that.
@GT-wj3gl
@GT-wj3gl 3 жыл бұрын
I do find it very interesting that while Rome was in fact a multi-ethnic nation, we have some rather loud and uneducated people today claiming that it was an ethnostate of some kind.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 3 жыл бұрын
What counted for the Romans was if you were citizen or not. A Roman citizen was worth of faith for that alone, regardless where he was born. See for example Arminius' brother, Flavus. Being he a Roman citizen, there was no reason to doubt of his loyalty, regardless what his brother had done.
@marcbartuschka6372
@marcbartuschka6372 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 In the late Republic at least there was also the possibility to get it much faster. I think i have read Julius Caesar was sometimes very liberal in granting the status as a roman to the soldiers he recurited in "his" provinces when he expaned his army during the campaign in Gaul.
@MrSafior
@MrSafior 3 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 Well actually, some part of the original culture can still exist. When Wisigoth established their kingdom in aquitany, the local pratician weres Gallo-roman who still speak gaulish language in adition to Latin.
@ShrimpOfDeath
@ShrimpOfDeath 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great video about an underappreciated topic. Can you make a similar one about the armies of the 30-year War? With all the mercenaries, they were linguistically diverse as well and didn't have a powerful lingua franca like Latin for better cohesion.
@xmaniac99
@xmaniac99 3 жыл бұрын
Latin pidgin, still understood by Saracen and Arab pirates well into the 10th century.
@abloodorange5233
@abloodorange5233 3 жыл бұрын
Really?
@huriale1617
@huriale1617 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any mention, article or book to support your point? and if you could also explain what you call 'a sarasin' or an 'arab pirate' in the 10th century that would be cool too.
@salsheikh4508
@salsheikh4508 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video
@Keyhan-c8c
@Keyhan-c8c 3 жыл бұрын
this was very intressting to watch! Pls do a reaserch on sarmathian nomads cavalry which served in roman armies! i would like to know more about them!
@badartgallery9322
@badartgallery9322 3 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@averageguy1261
@averageguy1261 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content, very interesting!
@sergeantmajor_gross
@sergeantmajor_gross 3 жыл бұрын
It’s the modern version of getting annoyed by people talking in a foreign language on public transport.
@jorenbosmans8065
@jorenbosmans8065 3 жыл бұрын
Nice shoutout to Asterix. And okay, maybe I'll give Barbarians a try
@aldosigmann419
@aldosigmann419 3 жыл бұрын
The Batavians were amazing swimmers too no bridges required. Rome's naval frogmen unit...
@AngelkissDj
@AngelkissDj 3 жыл бұрын
I applaud u for ur great work👌
@RagingDong
@RagingDong 3 жыл бұрын
Auxiliaries... being seperate entity to the actual roman army. hence why they are often refered to as allied troops.
@paprskomet
@paprskomet 3 жыл бұрын
They are not often refered as allied troops.Those are two different things."Auxiliaries" in this video are institution established as permanent part of actua Roman army by Emperor Augustus.They were part of regular Imperial Roman army-in fact its most numerous component.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 3 жыл бұрын
@@RagingDong The Roman "ideal" battle deployment in republican times was with half of the army provided by Rome and Roman colonies and half by the Italic allies. That's why the social war had been a hard struggle for Rome. They were fighting vs. the same tactics and equipment.
@richardcharay7788
@richardcharay7788 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Enjoyed. Thanks!
@munstrumridcully
@munstrumridcully 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I kinda _like_ some of those shows with a "homogeneous cast of british clones"...HBO's "Rome" comes to mind :)
@TruthNeverFade
@TruthNeverFade 3 жыл бұрын
I was born close to the river Weser. It's so tiny and not well known. Hearing it's name in such a decisive fight is pretty cool!
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