Ioniq 5 - Charging 6-100% at Ionity

[@raduioanitescu6704]

1:50 - The voltage drop is a strategy to prevent lithium plating. At some given potentials (that is voltage levels) the experimentally determined risk of lithium plating (one of the battery degradation mechanisms) is mitigated by the variation of voltage and amps to decrase the relative potential for a short amount of time. This is also temperature dependent and the BMS is probably also heating the cells up at the same time. I need to look more into these new cells (being secret sauce nobody publishes anything about specs) but as a rule - charge graphs that have square shapes are NMC cells with special voltage dependent electrolyte additives.

[@fabriziom]

My belief is these are NMC811 from SKI. Probably quite numerous current collectors to reduce resistivity (Similar to Etron cell approach that keeps C>1.6 at 80% SoC). Can't wait for the cell teardown.... Also if it has anything special to connect to the cooling plate.

[@BatteryLife]

Interesting!

[@kevinn1158]

Thanks for that explanation. Now I have to do some reading about lithium plating, voltage potential, electrolyte additives and NMC batteries.

[@fabriziom]

@@kevinn1158 there's plenty to read!! Beware, it's quite addictive😉

[@geemy9675]

thank you for the explanations, from a cooling perspective those sudden drops look not effective, given thermal inertia. It's the first time I read something that explains those weird looking charging curves. is it possible that Hyundai is more aggressive with the battery charging than other EVs and it may result in shorter life or they just have better understanding of the different parameters. at first it sounded to me like 800v was only about higher peak charging power using same charging cable gauge, and should have no effect on the charging curve as soon as the charger is limiting the power to preserve the battery. but now I realize my understanding of all parameters involved in fast charging is very shallow... anyway it seems like most ev's have some room for charging improvements just by software

[@heydrewstudio]

It is clear that the drops in the charging power curve is an attempt by the Ioniq 5 to create a "W" in the curve as a shoutout to Walter :)

[@nakfan]

Ha ha - yes, World Wild Walter for the win 😄

[@basementstudio7574]

Very impressive charge curve. This puts the Ioniq5 and the EV6 at the top of my EV shopping list. I know most people are more interested in range but personally I think charging speed is more important. Imagine and car with only 150 mile range but it could recharge to 100% in 5 minutes. I’d buy that over a car with 250 mile range but with a 40 minute charge to 100%. Maybe I’m weird but that’s my position.

[@HelloMyFriend_]

Makes sense. With your example, you get 300 miles in 10 minutes, which beats 40 minutes 😂

[@fabriziom]

Yes it's impressive. Put that battery in an efficient sedan shape vehicle (ioniq6😍) and we get the best of all worlds

[@LiiMuRi]

As long as there are enough high power chargers around, I agree

[@basementstudio7574]

@@AlanTov well yeah, my scenario isn’t possible with current technology but I figure we’re in the EV infancy at this point. Who knows, it may happen. In 1995 nobody thought any of this was possible, and yet here we are.

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

@@basementstudio7574 100% agreed. Charging speed trumps range any time, provided you have home charging and abundant fast charging, as in my case. I'd even prefer the 58kWh battery over the long range version, because it charges faster at 150kW chargers. That means I get a far greater infrastructure network to choose from. In my country, 150kW chargers are everywhere, and they are cheaper, too.

[@frijevc]

This is amazing from 6% to 80% in around 20 min for 72 KWh. I hope this will step up game for others. Now we need more fast chargers.

[@vasileiospetropoulos2046]

7 per cent to 90 percent in tesla v3 in 35 min 7 to 50 in 10 min and 7 to 80 in 25 min and 7 to 70 in 17 min tesla model 3 v3

[@fabriziom]

Thanks Chris this is what we've been waiting for. A proper charging curve 🤪

[@ElmarBon]

The voltage drop is because the battery has a small resistance. When the current increases the voltage rises too

[@karl-heinzoehling483]

Hi Chris, despite the lower efficiency, the Ioniq5 will achieve a top long-distance suitability, as you show. Very impressive in this price range, that will promote e-mobility and the competitors will have to step up.

[@manuelg8050]

800 Volts is the King!

[@petecoventry6858]

sit on the charger for 20 mins - live off the battery for a week lol

[@hachy1]

Thanks for all the spreadsheets man. Keep it up!

[@markevans4832]

Nice Chris, your charging curve follows almost exactly what Hyundai released. I assume the car needs a rest for a minute having eaten all those electrons at 50ish percent, it’s almost like a human having to burp half way through a big meal then go again 😀

[@sk.43821]

😅

[@theexmann]

@@sk.43821 The burp analogy is spot on.

[@geemy9675]

model 3 and Y are really missing in those graphs..they will get destroyed in kwh/time, but it would be interesting to see the miles/time. also charging from a very low SOC like 5% or lower will help Tesla which are quicker up to 20%, but if you are using a more realistic number for most people doing road trips and looking for fast chargers, 15% to 80% , then Ioniq 5 destroys the competition. Plus it seems they have some room for improvement with this sudden drops plus the fact that it starts rather slow

[@theexmann]

@@geemy9675 I agree. Tesla's disadvantage will only increase with time compared to vehicles like the Ioniq 5 with the capability of having a 800v charging system. Tesla uses 400v. I'm sure the Ioniq 5 will continue to improve its charging times as Hyundai continues to adjust the Ioniq 5's charging scheme via OTA updates. We've seen Tesla do it over the years and Hyundai will do it as well. The bigger question is when will Tesla introduce an 800v capable system in their cars?

[@peter.g6]

@@theexmann Why would the internal voltage (400 or 800) be relevant to charging? At the end of the day you have a battery cell with nominal voltage of 3.7 volts, and the question is how fast you can charge a single cell. Just like with phones, if you are charging a single phone or 5 phones at home, it would still take the exact same time to fully charge them. As far as I know, there is nothing you can do with putting cells in series to improve the speed at which the lithium ions can be safely put in the battery anode in a single cell. If there is, I'd love to hear the explanation.

[@surreyshooter]

Thank you so much for sharing your spreadsheets, very interesting comparing, I just ordered an E-Niro 4+ switching from a BMW i3

[@mikaelpettersson5916]

Saw a charging curve on the smaller 58 kwh version and ut had a similar drop. Maxed out at 170 But had 120 kw at 80%.

[@stephenholland5930]

Thanks for your work, Chris. Looking forward to getting my 58 kWh Ioniq 5.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Chris, you are a Pro! 👍 Others only show their face and only occasional the charging screen. 🤪

[@J4YsonPG]

the commentary is more exciting than at some Football matches!

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Great video thanks lots of details!

[@theexmann]

This is some great information. Thank you so much for doing this. Fantastic.

[@d3adk964]

Amazing. I wonder how this will affect long term battery degradation if done regularly though.

[@HelloMyFriend_]

Yeah, me too

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

They protect the battery by throttling and varying voltage and amps multiple times, and by a significant buffer. This is the most sophisticated charging curve in any car thus far, I would assume very good cycle life.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

It shouldn't be a concern for any EV with active thermal management of the pack. But it does depend on how it is executed but we have to assume they've done all their testing before it's available to purchase. The company certainly doesn't want to have high amount of problems within the warranty period.

[@Joesolo13]

@@davidmccarthy6061 The trick is making all the problems occur about 10k miles after the warranty period

[@peteglass3496]

Well done, Chris, for getting an early look at this. A great glimpse into the future while I see out my 50kW charging i3. To those concerned about rapid charging, I wouldn't worry, it's not a 2012 Nissan Leaf just use your EV as you need it, understand the underlying chemistry of whichever you have and be sensible.

[@geemy9675]

I'm not concerned with rapid charging...on my fiat 500e 6.6kW charging. plus it's water-cooled

[@ram64man]

So cool to see a usable rage after 15 mins dash and grab easily enough to get you home, it’s a far calling from my old mk1 leaf , all that time charging I think I can cry , on this alone Nissan has a real issue ahead of them

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

c-rating like a Taycan. That in a more economical car like old Ioniq would be madness.

[@kkal1183]

Fantastic report. VERY interested to see a comparison with the Tesla Model 3 or Y on a supercharger V3.

[@tymanot]

Thanks for the Video and the data. Solid.

[@robbiesz]

Hearing your speech cadence I was taken back to listening to river level reports on the AM radio in the 1990s.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

that is great, would be nice to see how it fairs at a 400volt charger!

[@danielgago-sk]

It's not bad ... The first generation of e-Ups also charged so fast, sometimes up to 90% in 25 minutes ... :)🙂 Yes, this is the next generation of e-cars ...

[@_TrueDesire_]

well if you compare it to e-up, this Ioniq charges way faster. it reaches the total capacity of the e-up in just 10 minutes.

[@JohnRoss1]

Chris took the recharge screen video in the rain☔ ! It looks really good👍. The weather was not the best for video or standing in the rain☔. Hyundai's 800 volt system looks to be the future for the non-tesla EV charging.

[@BatteryLife]

Hi John, thanks for being a patron. Send you a message on Patreon. Hope you got it.

[@keithgeorge7338]

Unbelievable!

[@gildardo]

Useful video, thanks for your work on EVs.

[@marcoteu]

Great video! Thanks Chris

[@MarioDallaRiva]

Nicely presented, Chris 👌🏼

[@stever656]

Great video

[@richard--s]

I love your charging curves displayed as added range in time. This is what matters! Thanks! Of course, if you can add 200km in 20 minutes or in 25 minutes, that does not matter that much, but if it takes 45 minutes and you still don't have 200 km, than there is something weird ;-) Or the battery is small ;)

[@Foersom_]

1:53 The voltage displayed is the voltage at the charger (EVSE) not the voltage of the EV battery. The two voltages are more or less the same, but the EVSE voltage must be higher to make current flow into battery. The faster charge required the higher the difference between EVSE and battery voltage. At 200 kW there is a significant difference in voltages. When the EV BMS decided to go from 224 to 122 kW charging the EVSE responded to make it happen by reducing its voltage from 729 V to 713 V.

[@alexanderjokkmok396]

I wonder why som you tube guys never reach the 225KW? You did and it looks seriously. But you know kan you try in your next movie to drive the Ioniq5 in 70km/h 90km/h and 100km/h an check the consumption of the car? Otherwise good review as usual - keep on going my friend 👍😉😀👍

[@latifdemirci4111]

Hi my friend, you are very good I follow you from Norway, I have a wish, could take a range test of 100 km / h to see what it manages to drive on a long trip

[@abraxastulammo9940]

I think Kris Rifa usually does a 100 km/h test.

[@BatteryLife]

I do 90, 110 and 130. If I get the car again I will do those.

[@manuelg8050]

You need more colors for your charts :)

[@thibs8801]

I want this charger on my 38kWh ioniq 😂

[@ariilmasti8530]

Hope to see some night time test drive outside the city too. Haven't found any decent night drive video with this, always in the city. Light test needed! ☝️☝️😋

[@pavelbalusek9121]

Very interesting video

[@xearochen]

I am really looking forward to the efficiency test

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Laden von 50 kWh an Ionity: Taycan in 12 min. ioniq 5 (groß) in 18 min. Model 3 LR in 21 min. Ioniq 5 (klein) in 21 min. BMW iX in 27 min. Enyaq 80 in 27 min. EQA in 29 min. Mustang Mach E (groß) 32 min. (Restliche Zeiten sind von Andreas Haehnel übernommen)

[@DerBlauzahn]

e-tron 50 in 25 min e-tron 55 in 21 min

[@abraxastulammo9940]

EQS in 17 min (Carmaniac test)

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

Which shows that currently the 72kWh I5 RWD is probably the fastest EV with a boot, whereas the Model 3 LR/Performance is the best offering in the 2+2 seater sports car segment, and it still is the fastest EV overall as well. The Etron still does rather well, particularly if towing is an issue and because Audi has super cheap leasing. Interestingly, the small battery I5 and Etron offer almost no disadvantage in speed at much lower environmental and financial cost. These really are the ones that make sense and thus are the ones to go for.

[@nachocollantes7602]

this thing charge like a boss!

[@kevinn1158]

great breakdown Chris! May I make 1 suggestion? On the side, could you put the cars in order of which charged fastest on top and descending from there? Otherwise, wow Ioniq 5 really drops the charging times. That's a big deal. I wonder if the Id4 will be able to increase charging times through software updates or are they are the limit from a hardware stand point.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

Would be interesting to see what it does on a 400V charger, it may be limited by the internal booster that increases the voltage to charge the 800v battery

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Hi Mike if I recall this is a 400 / 800 volt system very different than the Porsche Tycan / Audi EQS. The controllers sets up the 2 - 400 volt modules as parallel on charging on a 400 volt system so it still maintains a very good efficiency on charging on the lower volt fast DC chargers. This is a really smart way of doing and less componentry to go foul, as DC to DC converters are another complexity.

[@mostlymessingabout]

Mike is going full on EVs lately

[@mostlymessingabout]

@@berthogendoorn2133 that's super clever. And can almost be done automatically

[@greg.anywhere]

So does that mean charging at a 400V charger will give you the same charging speed as charging at an 800v charger? Because of the internal booster?

[@ianrobins5501]

I have got this info from Kia for the EV6 this is the charge times for the following power rating of the charger from10-80% 50kW, 68minutes, 100kW 38minutes, 150kW 27 minutes, 175kW 24 minutes.

[@danieloool2044]

nice video .Thanks

[@TassieEV]

Well basically does what they say 10-80% in 18min. Saw another video in German but watched charging session and also did it in time Hyundai claim even though that video peaked around 140kW.

[@R0bb1e.]

hi Chris great video.. vielen Danke for all hard work . any news if you will receive the press car from SEAT with Cupra Born ??

[@BatteryLife]

Thanks, no news.

[@christianseiler1250]

The ups and downs in voltage are allegedly voltage variation to prevent lithium plating

[@karl-heinzoehling483]

Hi Chris, I remember that during your 130km/h test with the Ioniq5 on the BAB, you reported increased electronic losses. Can you make a comparison with the e-Niro? My idea is that the 800V technology compared to. 400V the control losses increase.

[@BatteryLife]

ENiro is already gone

[@scottwills4698]

If VW increase the charge speed on the larger packs to 175kw (as rumoured) it will be close to Ioniq 5.

[@ChuckJ1944]

Nice Mark! Where's the Tesla Model 3?

[@BatteryLife]

Get me one and I test it.

[@guilieivan5385]

Possible to have your Excel file, shared un your video ? Your datas are extremely interesting ! Thanks

[@BatteryLife]

In the description

[@CBauer-cq5zb]

Wird es ein Video mit einer Ladung an einem üblichen 150 kW Charger geben? Diese Säulen sind ja viel häufiger als die 359 kW Charger.

[@BatteryLife]

If I get the Ioniq 5 again, then yes.

[@ivand911]

Tesla who?

[@TeaBreak.]

Do you remember EV_Driving? That account is no more. Lost your channel until now. Plenty of vids to catch up on. Not seen the Ioniq5 vids... Interested with Summer efficiency with no AC etc. Basically maxing out range. As an Ioniq28 user, interested how it compares. Charge curve is important to learn, especially 50kw charger curve. I do big daily mileage so recharge top ups are important. And does battery thermal management eat range like on VW cars? Now to watch your vids. :)

[@tequilatom]

I wish you could test the Mazda MX-30, this will be below the e-up or even very close.

[@BatteryLife]

I asked Mazda, no reply.

[@chunkychuck]

It's been a while since I watched it, but Bjorn's tests seemed pretty disappointing in terms of charging speed and efficiency. I love Mazda so it hurts to say it

[@tequilatom]

@@chunkychuck Yes, you are right, I own the MX-30. Really nice car, but the DC charging speed is totally disappointing. The word speed does not deserve this, the maximum really short peek is around 38kW.

[@chunkychuck]

​@@tequilatom wow, my 27kwh Soul is better than that. Not much, but still. Super disappointing.

[@itekani]

Still like a Zoe at 99%, it's just bonkers 🤣 Will be interesting to see if there's any loss of power at 400V chargers like Teslabjorn noticed with the eTron GT.

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

E-GMP handles 400V charging in a different and very elegant manner. It should (and according to Hyundai does) charge more efficiently at a 400V charger than a 400V car, and draw slightly more power as well.

[@YannR34]

I have heard that it shouldn't. Something like, the car uses the motor to convert in 800V. People was concerned about that, but it seems that it won't affect the charging on this car. We'll see.

[@thomastorfs82]

Would you get an Ioniq 5 long range or an ID.3 Pro S after the latest tests? As a daily drive, not occasionally. I have the impression that the ID.3 is still the better value despite the Ioniq 5 having a better interior.

[@BatteryLife]

I love my Id.3. I prefer the middle battery.

[@thomastorfs82]

Thank you 🙂

[@PALOsvk]

I am still missing TM3 SR+ in those graphs and compares...

[@BatteryLife]

Get me one to drive and it is in there. ;)

[@PALOsvk]

@@BatteryLife Unbelievable...You can get new IOniq 5 that almost nobody tested yet in Europe, but TM3 that are thousends of them in Germany..not? :) funny. There is realy nobody in your audiance with TM3..haaallooo guuyyys...borrow him one for test for comparism. Thanks (maybe try to ask on your videos that you are looking for some to test)

[@BatteryLife]

Tesla is not giving out cars. Owners don't want someone else to drive a few hundred kilometers. Only thing is renting. Expensive.

[@IrenESorius]

👍‍‍⭐👍‍‍

[@anotherdeejay]

How much did it cost the charging at Ionity?

[@BatteryLife]

0,30€ per kWh

[@ss-matunga]

Is Ionity still charging 0.79€ / Kwh ? 😎

[@BatteryLife]

For some. For me 0,30€ kWh

[@bryanduncan6178]

So the moral of the story is to drive the car like you've stolen it and then charge it up :-) (repeat as many times as required)

[@electricfelix]

Do I hear a #BerlinChallenge incoming here ;=]

[@123fokus]

And then you can complain that it would be cheaper to drive an ICE car :-) .

[@electricfelix]

@@123fokus hahaha Hyundai has a great deal at IONITY so no issue there!

[@123fokus]

@@electricfelix you mean the "Charge myHyundai"? That's for some reason not available for my country, but even if it were, I see that without a monthly subscription the cost per kWh is high. And you don't need a monthly subscription to buy gas at a reasonable price :-) .

[@electricfelix]

@@123fokus I don't know your location and travel pattern but I would say on a daily basis most drivers will not "survive" on (ultra) fast charging. The comparison to gas will not help, since electricity can come from any plug at any price and can even be locally produced at almost zero cost. So if I were you, I'd invest in a way that creates the best local energy for yourself :> #alwaysbecharging

[@davidsworld5837]

it would be good in future to redo the charge test a few more times and see if the curve repeats this one. the speed is good but the curve should be better we need car makers to get the fast ram up the at 90% start to slow down to help not over charge the battery. these funny shaped soon ramp downs are just not needed. But a tesla can do that speed to charge on there new v3 cant they unless tesla limit the car to protect the battery

[@on-pe4hv]

Remember s.korea has big3 battery company SK&LG&SAMSUNG

[@sumanshah5750]

Which have best range ioniq 5 or kia niro

[@BatteryLife]

I can only say that when I drive the Ioniq 5 in good weather.

[@Sahkoautoseparempiauto]

That's some cheap charging! Those are / minute at least here in Finland.

[@Sahkoautoseparempiauto]

@EE yeah it's bound to happen. But enjoy while it lasts. 😜 Wish we would get the Ioniq 5 already though..

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@Sahkoautoseparempiauto France also had the per minute price.

[@electricfelix]

@@abraxastulammo9940 still is pay per minute for most cards used at IONITY/Total today :>

[@Crybabehot]

Why can’t charge to 100%?

[@BatteryLife]

I did charge to 100%

[@zamarinen]

So 10-18% for how long?

[@BatteryLife]

You see it in the video

[@zamarinen]

@@BatteryLife its from 6%

[@user-yn5sk5ru5g]

@@zamarinen ~18 minutes 10-80%, as advertised by Hyundai 👌

[@paulwesterberg]

Too bad he doesn't compare it with other fast charging vehicles from Tesla, Audi, Porsche. Also the colored lines on his graphs are too close in hue to differentiate well.

[@BatteryLife]

Give me the cars and I'll do it.

[@tobi615]

Aber wie lang soll das der Akku mitmachen? Egal. 8 Jahre Garantie 🤣😂

[@HotHatchTV]

Too bad you compare it against all the slow charging cars... At least a Model 3 should be included and preferably an e-tron (GT).

[@BatteryLife]

Never got to test those cars.

[@au18ert]

Not everyone who will what your videos use Kilometres. You are missing out on some major nations who use Miles.. People are lazy and won't convert and till you include miles there's no point in me subscribing..

[@BatteryLife]

Most of my viewers are from the uk and the states. You are thw first one to complain.

[@drmcallis]

And that was not even a 350kw charger. Wow.

[@Goku0583]

ionity is a 350kw charger...

[@drmcallis]

@@Goku0583 I stand corrected. (Should have thought about the 700+ volts...)

[@socaljet]

some one did the math and we would have to build a nuclear power plant every 3 weeks until around 2026 to be gasoline independent(all electric cars in the usa),Hell i live in california and rolling power outages are a thing during summer as ac usage spikes.

[@BatteryLife]

wrong! and sorry you are in a country that does put money into military and not power infrastructure ;)

[@martialman.4563]

Bad math.

[@scottwills4698]

It takes more electricity to drive an ice car (pumping, refining of the oil etc) usage of electricity would go down not up. I’m sorry you’ve been mislead. (Probably by an oil company).

[@martialman.4563]

@@scottwills4698 Not true either, engeering explained did a good video on the subject. If everyone switched to EV tomorrow it would be about 25% more consumption. Basically just charge off peak.

[@markrichards9792]

Do you realize it takes almost as much electricity to refine gas as an EV uses to drive the same distance as that gallon of gas. So, NO your "somebody said" is total BS

[@Mammolauda]

Schade das es nicht in Deutscher Sprache ist.

[@HelloMyFriend_]

English is international 🤣👍

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

@@HelloMyFriend_ que ;-)

[@CBauer-cq5zb]

@@HelloMyFriend_ in America 🤣

[@giiillesM]

Sorry can you speak English on an american video platform? ;)

[@harryh.2756]

@@HelloMyFriend_ dann kannst ja auch morgen beim semmeln holen englisch sprechen !! selbst wenn man englisch sprechen und verstehen kann , wir leben immer noch in Deutschland !!