Tesla Model Y 1000 Mile Blizzard Beast Mode Road Trip - The Long Way... (Colorado to Iowa)

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When life gives you lemons, you make interesting KZbin content. Traveling back from Colorado to Iowa turned out to be a winter adventure. Got hit will an early blizzard in Denver and had to divert our normal path home down through Kansas. This is our ~1000 mile journey home.
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@Deetroiter
@Deetroiter 10 ай бұрын
Growing up in the Great Lakes region, I LOVE going out driving in blizzards, heavy rains, etc. There's just something adventurous and thrilling about going out for a slow speed drive with nobody around, just experiencing raw nature within the confines of the warmth and safety of a modern vehicle.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Wow. I'm pretty sure you are in the minority on that topic. Thanks for watching!
@sheabrown
@sheabrown 9 ай бұрын
I'm with you. I feel the same way about driving in storms
@chowner
@chowner 9 ай бұрын
It's fun when you are close to home. Not when you have to travel distances
@trex2092
@trex2092 9 ай бұрын
Yea, it's fun till it AIN"t. Have fun digging it out or calling a wrecker and make someone else join your little party.
@WestFortJacoby
@WestFortJacoby 8 ай бұрын
Same! I love driving in storms. The urgency of it keeps me in the moment and I find that comforting.
@kenhiett5266
@kenhiett5266 10 ай бұрын
I love terrible weather and challenging road conditions. Even as a kid, I used to love running into a nasty storm in our boat. Especially when we go to this huge lake in a desolate area of our state. There's something about mixing adrenaline and adventure that's addicting. It's why I can relate to the people who risk it all during 2 month expeditions in the Karakoram and mountains like K2.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Oh wow! This would have been a trip for you then.
@yay-3012
@yay-3012 10 ай бұрын
Me too. When it snows here in NY. I pack warm cloths extra gas and I go out and drive. Just me and the snow plows. I love snow. When I retire I want to live where it snows a lot. I wish Tesla had a small gas motor for emergencies
@DblOSmith
@DblOSmith 10 ай бұрын
Same here! First big roadtrip in my MYP was up the East coast in Winter 2022 during a blizzard. Loved it!
@mostnamesaretaken959
@mostnamesaretaken959 8 ай бұрын
same
@timdorr4005
@timdorr4005 10 ай бұрын
Well Jim, I've been from KC to Denver and back on I-70 many a time in my Tesla Model Y, but never in the conditions you found yourself. And I've been to all the stops you made along the way. Thanks for the walk down memory lane.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ginasutton8063
@ginasutton8063 10 ай бұрын
Just watched your video, we have a model X and frequently make the drive from Wichita to Denver, we saw you stopped in Limon to charge and it was super slow. The Limon chargers actually have 150 and 250 V3 chargers, it appeared you were charging at the 150 V2. The 250 chargers are on the opposite side. We love your videos
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
You are correct. The snow didn’t make that obvious at the time. It didn’t really matter as the cold battery would have prevented a faster charge rate anyway. Thanks for watching!
@isettech
@isettech 8 ай бұрын
I'm so used to driving over a mountain to my folks place and back on one tank of gas as gas is cheaper at one end of the trip. Round trip is just under 400 miles. It would be nuts to have 4 mandatory fuel stops for that trip. Thanks for the real world range anxiety inducing trip information. Will consider that if I decide to buy an EV for city commute. Won't get rid of my road car as so far the EV is not up to the trip.
@Branman345
@Branman345 10 ай бұрын
As much as people don't like to hear it I still think I would take the petrol vehicle over the electric vehicle when It comes to weather like this. Ive seen my fair share of blizzards and the last thing I would want is to get stuck without a charge. I have family that live in Canada and those cars don't do to well up there. You run into charging issues because it is too cold. That isn't optimal when you are traveling not to mention safe. I couldn't do all those stops that would drive me nuts. Glad you made it safe keep up the great work.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I still would choose an EV. You just need to be smart about it and make good decisions. Thank for watching!
@cousinjohncarstuff4568
@cousinjohncarstuff4568 10 ай бұрын
Same here. Even in the cold, I can go over 300 miles before having to refill. I would like to know how much longer the trip took vs a gas vehicle?
@wiboater4
@wiboater4 9 ай бұрын
Depends on where you are going. With Tesla's there are enough superchargers around now especially on major highways. So even though you use more battery in cold weather you just make a few more charging stops. In an emergency you could charge on a 110 outlet at a gas station if you had to but it would be slow. Best thing is avoid travel in bad weather if possible anyway.
@FarhoodEnsan
@FarhoodEnsan 8 ай бұрын
Tesla road tripper here and I agree. These stops are nice for a single driver on a long day of driving to keep yourself refreshed but if there are 2 drivers and they can switch, then a gas car and switching drivers is more convenient. The amount of extra time needed at chargers in cold is insane. Even though the car only gets about 20-30% less efficient, the charging times go up by 50-75% because the deep charges require much longer charging time.
@wiboater4
@wiboater4 8 ай бұрын
@@FarhoodEnsan you only have to charge to 80% because there are enough Tesla superchargers and there are going to soon be a lot more. so your car should be set to automatically precondition the battery so when you get to the supercharger it won't take a long time to charge. Even having 2 drivers your both stuck riding and could both use a break. For most people those long trips are not very often anyway.
@tjjensen173
@tjjensen173 10 ай бұрын
Just a note for future trips. If you’re charging in Limon, all the empty chargers across from where you charged are V3. The ones you plugged into closest to the Arby’s building are V2.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yea. I got lots of feedback on X during the trip. Given the snow, that wasn't apparent. Also, my battery temp and state of charge wouldn't let me take advantage of the V3 anyway. Thanks!
@austina4189
@austina4189 10 ай бұрын
​@@iowateslathin cable means v3. The thicker cable is v2. Once you notice the difference once, you'll be able to spot it as you drive up to stall. Also, the tesla nav will show 250kW or 150kW when navigating there. 250kW is v3
@Geckogold
@Geckogold 10 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla An easier way to tell a V3 from a V2/V1 is that aside from the thinner cable, the V1/V2 have silver rings around the connector.
@CateraMV6
@CateraMV6 10 ай бұрын
Wow I just realized you guys would drive about an hour give or take and then stop for 20-30min to charge, and you can’t just go anywhere you like you have to bunny hop from supercharger to supercharger. I drove a good old German Diesel Audi and on my last tank I travelled 810mi. It’s expensive sure it was about 90$ for that tank but comparing to these EVs I think I’ll have to wait longer before I make the switch.
@bobhancox3660
@bobhancox3660 9 ай бұрын
fuel costs aren't worth stressing over on a long trip
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 8 ай бұрын
Driving a Model Y in the same conditions as you get 810 miles from your Diesel Audi allows 2-3 hours of driving in-between 10-20 minute stops to charge. Maybe still a problem for you, but not for me since I stop that much anyway. Below zero F weather, snow, and wind can double charging times, so not as convenient, but acceptable IMO for the rare trip in such weather.
@fotocircle
@fotocircle 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for making the video, despite the arduous journey. Just today was contemplating a January trip from Seattle to Florida as I've made a bunch of long road trips since my 2018 conversion to Teslas. The chance of hitting weather like that certainly increases in Colorado in January ! So thanks again for the wakeup call. I think I'll fly.
@toddashton9696
@toddashton9696 10 ай бұрын
Would have appreciated a summary. Like how many stops, how long to charge ave watt hour per mile, vs your normal, etc. It seemed like you had to stop almost every hour, or 2.
@tkusterb
@tkusterb 10 ай бұрын
"Limon" is pronounced "LY-mun" (rhymes with "Simon"). I live in Denver and that was not a "blizzard". That little storm left MAYBE 2 inches of snow. This is the deal when you get an electric vehicle: cold weather is not your friend (I'm a non-Tesla EV owner). Glad you were able to make it!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I would agree from a total accumulation point of view that this wasn't a blizzard. However, from a road condition point of view, it was in my book. Thanks for the correct pronunciation on Limon! Thanks for watching!
@darrylwalker2728
@darrylwalker2728 10 ай бұрын
WOW…Glad you made it home safely. I think my wife would have said…Stop at the next Holiday Inn Express or Marriott when you hit 400 miles. Safe travels and great video! All of those stops were awesome…thanks to Tesla for setting up some great Super Charging stations!!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
We probably would have waited if we didn’t have obligations the next day back in Iowa.
@darrylwalker2728
@darrylwalker2728 10 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla I fully understand. We love our model Y and 3.
@mikesevgarage
@mikesevgarage 10 ай бұрын
Quite the journey! Glad you made it home safe. I enjoy watching the production value of your videos improve 😊. Keep up the great work!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! I really appreciate it! Just sub’d to your channel.
@markroath98
@markroath98 10 ай бұрын
I recently completed a 3,300 mile round trip from Yukon, Oklahoma to Shelby, Montana and back in four days. The final day, I drove my Model Y 22 hours from Sheridan, Wyoming to Yukon, Oklahoma, and it was challenging--mainly, because of constant rain and arriving at a supercharging station in Wichita, Kansas after 1:00 a.m. or so. That supercharging station is not in the best location. Otherwise, Tesla was fantastic in guiding me to EV stations with the exception that some stations were lower in KW than closer by stations.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t road trip any other way! Thanks for watching!
@dsat1908
@dsat1908 9 ай бұрын
You are a patient man. I am retired and there’s no way I put up with that Tesla garbage going from charger to charger wondering if I’m gonna get there. Absolutely ridiculous.
@bobhancox3660
@bobhancox3660 9 ай бұрын
totally agree. short trips, fine. long ones, get a diesel
@packetattack7437
@packetattack7437 9 ай бұрын
Agreed, this is absolutely insane, driving only
@martindecosta3016
@martindecosta3016 8 ай бұрын
Not for retirees. Stick with KIAs and Hyundais lol
@Clearanceman2
@Clearanceman2 8 ай бұрын
I have an old honda accord and the 1998 to 2002 4 cylinder can go over 400 miles on a tank of gas. Very nice. Probably 430 to 450. @@bobhancox3660
@stevegranshaw
@stevegranshaw 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this video. I canceled my Tesla because the video showed that it never reached over 100 miles, even though Tesla claims it can go 330 miles. The video was honest and showed the entire trip, breakdown, and results. I would rather have a gas-powered car considering the time wasted between charges. Thank you.
@kirkdogg007
@kirkdogg007 8 ай бұрын
Only problem is they are mandating ev's and it's only a matter of time before that's all u will be able to buy America seems to be the only place where RVs are horrible in the winter but some a country like Norway which is way ahead on the EV side don't seem to be complaining like Americans. We will see who wins 10 years from now.
@TheAdventureAuto
@TheAdventureAuto 8 ай бұрын
Owning an electric car has made winter driving so much more pleasant. Instant heat and always charged. No need to stand at a gas pump in the freezing cold.
@jebes909090
@jebes909090 8 ай бұрын
its so much better when the superchargers are clogged up and you run out of power. then you can get in the ice tow truck to warm up. talk about win win
@mikaelvellmun7228
@mikaelvellmun7228 7 ай бұрын
hater@@jebes909090
@Chainyanker007
@Chainyanker007 22 күн бұрын
@@jebes909090 - All you have to do is not get close to zero charge. I charge at an SC station when the charge drops into the low 30s or 20s%. Those that run it to close to zero are ignorant,/careless like those that drive an ICE to empty then try to go to a gas station and can't make it. Nice thing about a Tesla is you can run the heater or AC while you are parked as it is independent of the motor running like an ICE.
@briangoldner4095
@briangoldner4095 10 ай бұрын
Have you tallied up the supercharging cost for that trip? Curious to see how that decreased efficiency hits the pocketbook
@extremeboatdockingmedia
@extremeboatdockingmedia 9 ай бұрын
He probably has free supercharging
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
I do thankfully. No way for me to know the cost.
@LordTimelord
@LordTimelord 8 ай бұрын
Using a rough estimate average of $0.40/kWh for Supercharger prices. At 19:20 his screen says the car used 485kWh for the trip. 485 x $0.40 = $194.00 charging cost. So just ballparking it at about $200.00 for that trip.
@DougLarsenMN
@DougLarsenMN 8 ай бұрын
@@LordTimelordWhich is insane because in a 13 mpg gas hog SUV it would be like $230 for fuel
@M_dot202
@M_dot202 8 ай бұрын
​@@DougLarsenMN💯 But you're saving the planet. 😄
@tonyjipechala88
@tonyjipechala88 8 ай бұрын
I’ve been considering this car for a while, but your video convinced me it has not yet evolved into the winter beast we need here in Minnesota. Needs more range, and room for a spare tire. I’ll tune in next year.
@davidthomas4489
@davidthomas4489 10 ай бұрын
That's what is nice about owning a Tesla. Chargers are EVERYWHERE!!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
💯 Only way to road trip.
@richardtorres6261
@richardtorres6261 10 ай бұрын
Great Video. I love the dramatic music. Thank you and drive safe.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for noticing. Worked on the music for longer than I want to admit.
@tristanbased-af2159
@tristanbased-af2159 10 ай бұрын
9:09 hhah that sticker on the charger is hilarious
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I never noticed! 😂😂
@bobuk5722
@bobuk5722 8 ай бұрын
Hi, yikes! It's been a long time since we had snow like that over here. 1962/3 was by far the worst with 20 foot drifts. Dad took us out in it! A polite suggestion, maybe turn down the music volume a little, may just be me but I find it rather overpowering and it is louder than the interesting vocal sections. Anyway, very useful to see how you managed. Stats are very helpful, thanks for taking the trouble to display them. You have some really good supercharger centres, they are just getting set up better here. They are a BIG Tesla advantage, no need for a plethora of apps etc. One thing about driving in such conditions - not many charger stalls are in use! Best wishes.
@happydrinker1
@happydrinker1 8 ай бұрын
Holy Sh**T THAT WAS THE REAL DEAL !
@ab_ab_c
@ab_ab_c 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Stopping every 100ish miles for a recharge on a long road trip would be a major drag & cost in time. I can drive my Honda 350 miles before it needs a fill up. Based on your figures, it looks like your Model Y is equipped with a 60 kWh battery, so that means at a max charge rate of 20 kW, if your battery had 15% remaining charge & you wanted to fully recharge it to 60 kWh, it would take ~2.55 hrs ((60-(60*.15))/20). Talk about adding major time to your trip--and that is only 1 recharge! Denver to Cedar Rapid is ~923 miles (according to Google Maps) for the route that you appear to have taken. You started at 10:14 pm & arrived 1:30 am, so your trip was ~27 hrs & 16 minutes. That is an average speed of ~33.9 miles per hour. I don't recall if you rented a hotel or not, but you could have driven the same distance straight through with a Honda in ~15 hours or at an average speed of ~61.5 mph. That' means your average trip time was ~81.5% times longer with a Tesla than if you would have driven a ICE car like a Honda.
@chocolatewheelchair
@chocolatewheelchair 8 ай бұрын
devastating numbers
@ab_ab_c
@ab_ab_c 7 ай бұрын
@@chocolatewheelchair I wouldn't say devastating, but all choices have consequences, so if you want to go greener, then you can expect to pay for it in a number of ways, unfortunately. One other negative, imo is having to replace the battery (or vehicle) every 10 yrs or so with current battery technology. I'm not even sure that a person could affordably replace a battery in a Model Y. If not, that definitely drives up your total cost of ownership & most electricity in the US that Tesla's recharge with is fossil fuel produced electricity, so it is less green on average than many people realize.
@kevinbarker1693
@kevinbarker1693 10 ай бұрын
I drive from port aransas Texas to Minnesota in a model 3, when I got to Missouri it started to snow until I got to Minnesota and the car did amazing. Evs are better than you think.
@corpnupe85
@corpnupe85 8 ай бұрын
Limon, CO is a nice city. The Hospital there was one of my clients. The CEO of the Hospital was very nice and professional. The people in the city were very friendly.
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor 8 ай бұрын
Wow!! Thanks for the ride! Incredible. I've made that journey about a dozen times in my ICE vehicles. Nine hundred miles is just over 2 tanks of gas for my 2015 Limited Edition, Toyota Sienna van, That means I would have had a warm and toasty drive with 1 major fill-up along the way, which takes about 5 minutes, and maybe fill it up again just before getting home for convenience. Why not? It only takes 5 minutes, and I'm already there. Total cost of fuel would have been around $90. The drive would be worry free, comfortable, and relaxing. I've even got heated leather seats to warm my buns after standing in the cold for that 5 minutes, and I don't have to worry about needing to have my car towed to the next charger for using them. I guess that with a Tesla, for a trip like yours, the first thing you do when you get home is kiss the ground? Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla cars, but they are a grossly expensive, fair-weather, short-range, perfect road conditions, environmentally UNFRIENDLY toy. I'm truly glad you made it home safe!!!!!
@TheChampionluva
@TheChampionluva 8 ай бұрын
Well said. I wanted to give these EV a chance but for long road trips it just doesn't cut it. So much wasted time and just as expensive as ICE if not more. Maybe I'd consider an EV that can go a 1500 miles on a single charge if that ever happens but until then, ICE is the way to go!
@intargc
@intargc 8 ай бұрын
I own a Tesla and agree, I would not take it on a road trip of this magnitude in the Winter. However, 95% of my driving is around where I live. It costs me $7 to charge (at a Supercharger, $2 at home) and I only have to charge 2 times a week. For my usual road trips I only do about 300-ish miles and have to charge once each leg of the trip. The EV is ideal for these situations, imo. Long road trips over snowy and bitter cold conditions? I’m gonna pass for now. I’ll rent a nice ICE car for those rarer situations. I do have high hopes and technology is rapidly changing, so in 5-10 years, this will be a completely different story. Right tool for the job. EVs will get better, but it’s going to take a little more time.
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor 8 ай бұрын
@@intargc Thank you for commenting, and I'm glad that you are enjoying your Tesla. I like them too for scooting around town on fair-weather days between 65 - 80 degrees Fahrenheit. And, I agree that the technology has come a long ways, but I doubt they are cars of the future to replace ICE vehicles. They are incredibly unfriendly to the environment and in no way reduce the use of fissile fuels. In a way, they are the CFL's of the day. Big promises that turned out to be not only not true, but out-in-out lies.
@Chainyanker007
@Chainyanker007 22 күн бұрын
@@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor - California is mandated to be 100% renewable electricity by 2045, already at about 30+%, must be 60% by 2035. No new ICE sales after 2035 like many countries. Check out the S Curve of EVs, it is just now hitting the steep portion, no stopping it now. Battery tech is improving rapidly, in 10 yrs time it will be over for most ICE.
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor
@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor 21 күн бұрын
@@Chainyanker007 Wishful thinking or blind ignorance? This is certainly the thinking of an entitled, uninformed (or misinformed) Californian who wants to save the planet but, instead, falls for the newest shiny gadget they are being sold. Let me break it down and give you 10 reasons why EV's will go the way of the CFL light-bulb, another ecological disaster touted to "save the planet." 1. The planet does NOT have the resources to continue making batteries for all the EV's necessary to replace ICE vehicles. (Not to mention the ecological destruction of the planet in mining those minerals.) 2. The majority of the vehicle is still made of petroleum, so you aren't getting away from using "fossil fuels." BTW - petroleum is NOT a fossil fuel, but that is another discussion. 3. We still use petroleum to charge the batteries. What? Solar and wind will replace the burning of fossil fuels to generate electricity? What do you think we use to make solar cells and windmills? Also, they both have a VERY limited life span and then become toxic waste products. Speaking of limited life and becoming a toxic waste product - 4. In 7 - 10 years, the batteries become a toxic waste product when they no longer take or hold a charge.5. The weight of the vehicles makes them wear out breaks and tires (a petroleum product) MUCH faster than ICE vehicles, adding to the problem of waste. 6. It takes more energy to produce the vehicles than they might save, even in theory (Same problem with CFL's). 7. The minerals to make the batteries are being mined using slave labor to keep the price "low." (You can think about that too when using your iPhone.) 8. EV's still have not overcome the problems of extreme temperatures, and likely won't. So, great for southern California, but not so great for the rest of the world. 9. The body of the vehicles themselves have a lifespan of 7 - 10 years and become a non-recyclable, waste product. Compare that to 75 year old ICE vehicles that are still on the road. 10. The cost of ownership is prohibitive for 99% of the people on the planet. There are sooo many more detriments to EV's, but you get the picture? I love EV's, but they are merely a rich-man's toy. They pacify your need to feel important in "saving the planet," but they are actually adding to the destruction of it.
@Robert-pm6bm
@Robert-pm6bm 10 ай бұрын
Next time you go to the Limon supercharger, use the ones on the other side (farther from the arbys). You plugged into the 150kW stalls. The other ones are 250kW
@ChannelNG1
@ChannelNG1 9 ай бұрын
You stopped every ~100 miles to charge🙄 , am i missing something ?
@timz7548
@timz7548 10 ай бұрын
I was very surprised by your Wh/Mile being so high, but I don't know how much worse it is at normal conditions for a Y vs a 3. Your camera probably just got some salt water into the connection from the winter driving road sludge. You can probably get to this connection inside the fenderwell pretty easily if desired to add something to repel future water. Thanks for sharing your trip.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
My typical average in the summer is about 310 wh/mi. This was really high for me. You also may be right on the camera.
@dabike
@dabike 10 ай бұрын
Your production content keeps getting better. Have used those charging stations in Topeka & Liberty before. But need to find the pizza place next time. I need to improve my understanding of the charging stats to better manage my usage. I just plug it in almost every night while at home and stop when it tells me on long trips.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate it. Mod Pizza is worth the stop. Very fast and good for road trips.
@rhuynh
@rhuynh 10 ай бұрын
So looks like temp wreaks havoc on range. I also noticed windy conditions, how did driving into wind affect range?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Cold temps affect all cars - including gas cars. Wind is also a factor or can be - again, same with gas cars. The difference is that you have many, many more gas station options to choose from so you just don't need to worry about it.
@tonyfrese6903
@tonyfrese6903 8 ай бұрын
Little scary seeing just how bad that range is in cold weather, wow…
@Sajal89
@Sajal89 Ай бұрын
Best Music
@ChuongNguyen-up9fy
@ChuongNguyen-up9fy 27 күн бұрын
Thank you for a true honest video!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 27 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@colingoldthorpe5918
@colingoldthorpe5918 9 ай бұрын
Heck in my F150 2.7 eco boost I can go 600 miles to a tank 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ so I’d have to stop twice. Waiting for the model 2 myself. Need a smaller car for town and city work. Will keep the truck for the long hauls and pulling my motorcycle.
@mele2259
@mele2259 8 ай бұрын
Did you have that major repair after this trip ? Do you recommend me to buy the extended warranty? Just bought a ‘23 MY
@borislavn.4844
@borislavn.4844 10 ай бұрын
The existents of this videos actually show that making a long trip with EV is a big deal. Imagine a video like this with a gas engine car. What actually will show. A driver relaxing and listen to music all the time?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I hope there is a day where my videos are not needed. However, there is a lot of FUD out there about EV's and I think these video help educate the reality of EV's - good and not so good. Thanks for watching anyway!
@john9663
@john9663 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting and thank you for doing this. I noticed that your high consumption at the beginning of the trip occurred despite mostly downhill terrain. Any thoughts as to the WH "penalty" for using winter heat and heated seats? Quite disappointing that with a ~300-mile range car you do it in 100 segments due to the weather and riding the low SOC charging curve. I would be curious to see a comparison of your trip out vs. the return for miles, WH consumed, time spent charging, etc. I understand the return trip was a longer and different route due to the weather, but it would be interesting nonetheless. I think you nailed it with another interesting post. I am glad I drive my "Y" in the Carolinas though, but spent many years in the Northeast so I feel your winter pain.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Take a look at my channel. The trip out is the video right before this one. It was better but not great. The car does perform much better when it is warmer - like over 80. When it get cold, range degrades quickly. Just something you have to deal with in the winter. Gas mileage in ICE cars do the same thing but people just don't think about it much as there is a gas station on every corner. Thanks for watching!
@lucidf8
@lucidf8 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video on a tough road trip. Well done on the editting, and music. It’s good to know what a Model Y will do in bad conditions. I think of my Model Y LR as a capable medium hop trip vehicle in mild conditions. I don’t mind a little bad weather (rain), but it’s good to know the Y can do the winter trips too. Did the camera recover finally, or did you replace it?
@paulgriffith1282
@paulgriffith1282 8 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla How much do you think all of the ice/snow/junk which was clinging to your vehicle impacted the range? Is a heated car wash an option in this kind of weather, making improved aerodynamics possible? I know the trouble is mainly with batteries in cold weather, but I couldn't help thinking about the role of increased wind resistance. If a car wash is possible in this sort of cold, it might be interesting to measure. (I lived in Florida at the time, but had a car wash in Indianapolis a few years back in very cold weather. I was thinking more about visibility along with salt on the undercarriage at the time, but I'm sure the reduction in wind drag was also noticeable.) Thanks for the video!
@Michael-ts9yp
@Michael-ts9yp 9 ай бұрын
Excellent information, I just increased my AAA membership to "Plus" so that I'm covered for up to 100 miles of towing which would be more than enough to the closest Tesla service center.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
Good plan. I had to go Premium as my service center is 120 miles. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for watching!
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 10 ай бұрын
In my Volvo (V90 D4 WD - yes, station wagon) this would have been one fuel stop and you would still have had a long way more to go when arriving. Would have saved several hours on a trip like this. And the repeater. That is really bad by Tesla to not allow cruise control without that camera. All you need is the front radar (or then, the front camera in this case...). And not even that actually. I can in my Volvo use adaptive cruise control and that uses the front radar (that BTW never gets blocked by snow and ice - really nicely designed!) or a regular cruise control that does not use any radar or camera at all. If i want the pilot assist (lane assist) it also needs the camera.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Regular cruise control would be nice. Should be there.
@Karlkn
@Karlkn 8 ай бұрын
That's a lot of stops for charging, I may have to rethink my Model Y purchase!!
@Chainyanker007
@Chainyanker007 22 күн бұрын
Only if you do lots of winter driving in freezing weather. Otherwise it is much cheaper to drive an EV such as a Tesla for your daily commute, esp. if you own your home and can charge there at night while you're sleeping, much cheaper than gasoline, also no oil changes, tune ups or seldom if any brake jobs thanks to regen braking. Tesla model 3 RWD has a combined MPGe of 132 miles combined city/hiway, 138 city, 126 hiway, no ICE comes close. 25 kWh/100 miles, do the math.
@Greasyman.
@Greasyman. 10 ай бұрын
I love the idea of buying myself one of these but... i live in northen canada where it gets down to -40 for a month at a time. I regularly take 500k+ road trips back to my home city... down long stretches of unpopulated highway... these things arent even close to ready to reliable get me where i need to go safely. Fossil fuels it is...
@vijayrk7329
@vijayrk7329 3 ай бұрын
man! the number of stops you did - makes me never wanna buy a tesla/ electrics.. you only motto while driving would be looking for superchargers all the time. charging every 80 to 100 miles- how crazy can this get! What comes as a corollary is the the other compromises you have to make- like eating at crappy restaurants close to superchargers. I'm so happy with my CRV hybrid after giving Telsa a serious though.. CRV gives me a range of over 500 miles for a full tank.
@evdave528
@evdave528 10 ай бұрын
Nice wok on in the trip and awesome video work.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Dave! I appreciate it!
@taiwoegun1288
@taiwoegun1288 10 ай бұрын
That looks bad, but we experienced the same thing last time we were in Denver with the model Y we rented. I think Tesla needs to look at these videos and come up with additional heat sources or anti snow slick material to prevent the build up since this affects range. If they solve this, there will be no reason not to switch to an EV at this point. But yea imo this is the only negative to owning an EV
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
This is a rare case - even for me. Yes, having less buildup would have been better.
@taiwoegun1288
@taiwoegun1288 10 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla yea this is very rare for those who don’t live in these kind of conditions. I never saw it until we started using them there. Through out the year we never experience this
@deegees73
@deegees73 8 ай бұрын
Those weather conditions are a walk in the park. Try doing that in -30 degrees Celsius!!!!
@randytaylor4766
@randytaylor4766 10 ай бұрын
I picked up my MYLR this past June and am keeping my 2019 F-150 until at least next spring. Not sure I want to part with my truck after seeing this now. lol Love my Tesla BTW... hardly ever drive the truck.
@berthogendoorn2133
@berthogendoorn2133 10 ай бұрын
Strange, two weeks ago we drove from Vancouver, bc to Calgary, from Golden, BC to Field, BC temp was -10 Deg. C. Then dropped to -18 Deg C (-.4 F) to Calgary. Our efficiency was 350watt per mile. We had no charging issue as when we stopped overnight in Golden, BC we charged the car to 85%, set departure and battery conditioning for the next morning -10 Deg C. It used about 7% for conditioning and cabin temp. That is our rule, always charge before going to bed if no hotel charging is present. Our road conditions included 10 to 15 inches of snow, with compact snow and black ice in sections. I have 20 inch FastWheels EV01+ with Michelin CrossClimate 2 235/45-20 average efficiency has been 209watt per KM (334watt per mile) driving about average speed of 120km / hr (75mph)
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info. It was a strange morning. We did charge the night before but had different nav the next morning. Thanks for watching.
@stevedowler2366
@stevedowler2366 10 ай бұрын
Yikes! Denver blizzard was unusual for October. If you had some free time, you could come down to Durango and enjoy mild October temperatures. Stay a few days then head out through Santa Fe via Pagosa Springs and on to Albuquerque and take 40 East. Longer drive but nicer weather. The car did a great job, sorry the weather was so bad. See you next time, cheers.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
My first big road trip in my Model Y was to Santa Fe. Loved it. Thanks for watching.
@ballistichoneybadger5763
@ballistichoneybadger5763 9 ай бұрын
What an incredible video for pressure testing cold EV driving! Truly appreciate the experience and data here, I’m a subscriber for sure. My only question - during your drives, the metadata you present on the video of your IN TRIP/ OVERALL data was collected by…? I’d love to collect and run those datapoints on my drive.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. It was collected by an app called TezLab. Great app and the people behind it are top notch.
@ballistichoneybadger5763
@ballistichoneybadger5763 9 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla What incredible response time, thank you for sharing that!! Do you ever run live Q&A/ live donation lines for your page? Also, do you have Patreon pages for support? Your channel is very well put together and chock full of great data related to Tesla, absolutely love it.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. Happy to help. You can download the raw TezLab data in the video description. As for lives or Q/A’s I haven’t done much. Would like to do more. I don’t have a Patreon but I’m trying to add membership joins to my channel. Those are in review. Probably the best thing you can do to help is to tell your other Tesla friends about my channel.
@ampedampson5140
@ampedampson5140 10 ай бұрын
You can tell the difference between V2 and V3 easier by looking at the collar of the handle. V2 has a chrome collar. V3 has a black collar
@Stonefly2112
@Stonefly2112 9 ай бұрын
You have to schedule that pre condition the night before. That one is on you. Live and learn
@JeffJakusz
@JeffJakusz 10 ай бұрын
Any initial thoughts on the Michelin CC2? This may be another video. Probably difficult to tell on this trip but curious how range and road noise compares to OEM.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
These tires are awesome for grip. I think they impact range but hard to tell as things get colder.
@MechayaAlta
@MechayaAlta 8 ай бұрын
What pressure do you run these tires at in these conditions?
@350ZEASZE
@350ZEASZE 10 ай бұрын
OMG you poor babies made it!!!!! Yay. So proud of you. Sigh.
@GrandstandVideo
@GrandstandVideo 9 ай бұрын
I noticed at every charging station you are the only car there. I feel these cars are for staying in suburbia and are not viable options cor long trips.
@logicflakes8911
@logicflakes8911 9 ай бұрын
Just stumbled across your channel! Greetings from a Mason City Cybertruck reservation holder!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
Greetings! Thanks for finding me. Let me know when you get your Cybertruck.
@jonmarshall3414
@jonmarshall3414 9 ай бұрын
Not me getting 1.4-1.5 mi/kWh in my lightning in cold weather road trip lol
@mediaofline
@mediaofline 8 ай бұрын
Looks like a typical day in sweden 😉
@mallikarjun8217
@mallikarjun8217 9 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing
@rh611640
@rh611640 24 күн бұрын
The cruise control didn't work anymore was that pure because the weather or just a kind of fail?
@SirSammyI
@SirSammyI 9 ай бұрын
A mild note, Oakley, KS is a new install coming within the last 3 months. The new protocol for V3/V4 superchargers is to place them dead center of the lines for access to both sides of the vehicle. The current understanding is that Tesla will be upgrading these sites to V4 posts in the future.
@JohnathansWorld
@JohnathansWorld 9 ай бұрын
I’ve parked directly behind those supercharger stalls and the cord reaches around to the port without any issue and it does not overstretch the cord in anyway.
@Pibbil
@Pibbil 3 ай бұрын
did you end up fixing the camera or did it start working again at some point?
@eprohoda
@eprohoda 10 ай бұрын
you uploaded awesome trip, see ya, )
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@garyfritz4709
@garyfritz4709 10 ай бұрын
Wow. I live an hour north of Denver, and I didn't even know it snowed down there. You posted this 4 days ago, roughly 11/11? We had highs in the 60's for the last 2 weeks, except high 40's on the 8th and 9th. No snow at all. You might have had better luck going north to Wyoming and heading east from there ... I'm amazed at how high your Wh/mi numbers were running. I usually get 250 Wh/mi around town, 300-350 on the road -- but that's in warmer weather. I haven't done a winter road trip since last year but I'll have to watch my consumption when I head to Iowa City in February. The stats across the top of your screen were interesting. Where did those come from?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Mine is usually in that same range. All the conditions contributed to the bad range on this trip.
@GeneCain-l6q
@GeneCain-l6q 8 ай бұрын
Still trying to figure out why what high kw / mile. I have a model 3 rwd learned to slow down and then crank the mph when I get closer to the supercharger to get lower soc when I pull in. Grew up in NW Iowa but live in AZ. Interesting video
@dougwmtn58
@dougwmtn58 10 ай бұрын
Does your Model Y have the heat pump system? Nice to have the CrossClimate (2?) tires on too.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yes to the heat pump. The CC2 tires worked great! Thanks for watching!
@relaxationsounds6981
@relaxationsounds6981 10 ай бұрын
Loved your video and was curious did the repeater camera start working once again? This way your autopilot would work once again?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
It did. Turned back on the next day after a deep sleep. Tesla still says I should pay $350 to fix it. I haven’t decided yet.
@nowteslafy
@nowteslafy 10 ай бұрын
Great video my friend! TezLab stats are a wonderful touch!! It's crazy how one camera can totally tank even basic TACC. I've never had just one go out- does it also kill auto wipers and headlights too?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I like TezLab quite a bit. I believe auto headlights and wipers still work. Not 100% on that. Thanks for watching!
@johngrant723
@johngrant723 9 ай бұрын
Keep the EV for home use commuting and next just rent a gas car for your long trip. Seems like a pain to charge very 60 miles
@drumaganger
@drumaganger 10 ай бұрын
I understand the issue with driving a Tesla in cold weather but, it seems, that it just takes a little more planning and a few more stops. I'm in SoCal and plan to make a trip to Fort Dodge in April. Should be a nice road trip.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Totally doable. Have a great trip.
@Gallardo6669
@Gallardo6669 8 ай бұрын
Thx for the video. It would be better to know the distances between the chargers and by how many percent the battery eas shortened by each distance: for me, first and only trip ever through these temps it was basically range divided by two. Car did great and felt super safe, considering its safety features
@paulrybarczyk5013
@paulrybarczyk5013 8 ай бұрын
In a Tesla, the car knows your route and all the charger locations and your current rate of energy consumption. So if you just follow the car's route and charging guidance, you NEVER have to worry about these details, much less worry about being stranded. It will tell you in advance when you will arrive, what your state of charge will be, and how long each charging session will take. And if the car thinks you might not make it, you will get LOTS of obvious warnings to drive slower, since your speed affects range more than anything else. One thing to be careful of are unexpected head-winds. On one such trip (which I had made a few times before) I ignored the car's warnings, thinking I knew better. Nope ... the car knew better, and later I nervously pulled into the charger with 0% battery. i later learned that when it says 0%, you can still go another 10-to-20 miles before it won't move. The car tries really hard to keep you from getting stranded. Hope that helps.
@Gallardo6669
@Gallardo6669 8 ай бұрын
@@paulrybarczyk5013 I have a Tesla myself... Unfortunately the video doesn't give good numbers. Most important for me: how much is range shortened in percent. That summens it up on charge time and charge stops
@paulrybarczyk5013
@paulrybarczyk5013 8 ай бұрын
@@Gallardo6669 Unfortunately, it's not as simple as "I lose 30% of range in winter, so I need to charge 30% longer", etc. Charging time also depends on the car, the charging location, distance to the next charger, and your current state of charge. Only the car knows all these variables at any point in time. Tesla also has a trip/charging planner on their web site, but the car has more and better info than the web site. Maybe you already know all this ... just trying to help. 🙂
@wtrskrs
@wtrskrs 9 ай бұрын
Sure glad I don't live in a cold or hot climate with my Tesla. That said, I have never paid attention to my w/m when I'm going from No.Cal to So.Cal and I'm going 80+. but I would have to assume that I'd be near 400w/m at 80+. Since it appears you were going 80+ for multiple segments, how much more energy do you think was used due to the cold?
@alexolga11
@alexolga11 8 ай бұрын
swap battery stations will be the best
@fastbikes67
@fastbikes67 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Happy that you got home safe. I assume the lower efficiency is due to the lower temps.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yes. Winter will do that. I think the aerodynamics were greatly affected until it melted off.
@Ari-j4m
@Ari-j4m 10 ай бұрын
Cleaning the snow in fenders to make car lighter more saving range 😄
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yes. It was easier said than done.
@nevco8774
@nevco8774 8 ай бұрын
Was it camera failure a temporary issue?
@victormdp
@victormdp 10 ай бұрын
Kum & Go? What a brilliant marketing minds
@avelinovaz3174
@avelinovaz3174 8 ай бұрын
Electric cars have a long way to go before they can compete with a gasoline car. This guy stopped 4 times in Kansas to charge his car 😮
@Drpeppehr
@Drpeppehr 6 ай бұрын
Ye charge every 250 miles during a blizzard not bad
@timgriffith2995
@timgriffith2995 5 күн бұрын
@@Drpeppehr The three KS stops I watched were 58.7 miles, 87.6 miles and 119 miles (from 97 percent down to 15 percent charge)....where are you seeing 250 miles??
@larryshipley1760
@larryshipley1760 10 ай бұрын
I wonder what effect running the car through a car wash to get rid of the weight and wind friction the snow sludge was causing. Maybe just using the hand wand on the lower part of the car would make a difference.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
That could have helped. It was already such a long day, it didn’t cross my mind. Thanks for watching!
@aaronderouen5873
@aaronderouen5873 8 ай бұрын
Do you have lowered suspension on your model y? And are those 19" or 20" rims?
@Flickerbrain
@Flickerbrain 10 ай бұрын
Wow, epic journey and great video! You could see on your face the day wearing down on you. I bet that pizza tasted good! Big hugs from Southern Germany! James
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! It was a long day.
@alphacharlie65ms
@alphacharlie65ms 8 ай бұрын
We are thinking about getting a Tesla. We don't have a garage and was worried about the car sitting in cold weather. We only will drive it local and not on long trips. We fly on long trips. Should we be worried?
@ram-ck7ti
@ram-ck7ti 10 ай бұрын
Wow! Looks like battery preheat wasn't working. Guess it was too cold and not enough time between stops to warm things up. Your video does show that with the placement of Tesla chargers, it is possible to travel through a blizzard with an EV albeit slow going with poor miles per kW hour and frequent and slow charge rates. Just when things started improving you lost a camera. Not cool. 🙃
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
The failed camera was just insulting at that point. Made a long day longer. Thanks for watching!
@jeffdavis7872
@jeffdavis7872 10 ай бұрын
So what was the grand total cost for charging for the trip?
@BIG_FETUS
@BIG_FETUS 9 ай бұрын
Wait at 100% charge you are only geting like 120 miles?! Is this correct
@erikfreeland1139
@erikfreeland1139 8 ай бұрын
What tires are you running? I have the ones that came with the car - now with 11k miles on them - and they seem terrible in the snow. Also.....is it better to turn off regenerative braking when roads are slick? I just ended up in a ditch bc the tires slid for 50 yards. The regen braking locked up.
@dougfrith5001
@dougfrith5001 10 ай бұрын
And in Goodley Kansas, 2 of the 6 stalls don’t appear to be working… I’ve wondered whether Tesla can somehow see that or does that have to be reported manually in order for repairs to be made.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
They can see it for most things. Otherwise, it needs to be reported.
@pauljefferies9087
@pauljefferies9087 10 ай бұрын
Get a spray bottle with a spray trigger, made by a company called ZEP, and others. Fill with windshield cleaner, store in Front Trunk, along with paper towels in waterproof plastic bag.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Have one.
@SaltyRNFrank
@SaltyRNFrank 9 ай бұрын
My 2017 Prius with 95k miles every week travels 800 miles for work . 400 miles before i need to stop _ 8 gals gas _ $25 . Love Tesla , Love Elon , but my MYLR that i will buy will be used for Local or State Runs and not interstate travel.
@KaiPonte
@KaiPonte 10 ай бұрын
I cannot believe you drove in snow! That sounds horrible. I've seen snow a couple of times in my life and don't like it. Out of curiosity, did your range drop dramatically?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yea. It was pretty bad. Normally, I get ~310wH/mi. This trip was up around 450.
@smartterminvestment483
@smartterminvestment483 10 ай бұрын
is your rims stock ? looks aftermarket and much heavier ??
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
They are plastic wheel covers over the stock 19” wheels.
@explor360
@explor360 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. We just bought a YLR. Curious what tires are you using? Thanks.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I used the factory tires for the first 55K miles. Now, I'm running Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. Just got them before this trip.
@LifelongMusicJunkie
@LifelongMusicJunkie 10 ай бұрын
I enjoyed your road trip! Did you have snow tires, and if not, how was the Model Y on the road in Colorado with all that snow on the highway? My first Tesla experience was on a recent trip to Arizona where I rented a Model Y from Hertz and I loved it! It did get down to 4 in Flagstaff but everywhere else was warm. I think I will buy a Y in the spring. No autopliot or cruise control is a nightmare, so sorry about that!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
I had Michelin CrossClimate 2 all season tires on it.
@kylerobinson7572
@kylerobinson7572 10 ай бұрын
Does your model Y have the heat pump? Seems like your efficiency should be higher thanks for doing the video!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
Yes. I think all Model Y’s have heat pumps.
@adfreeviewer9005
@adfreeviewer9005 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your video! 100% EVs aren't made for cold weather and long-distance travel.
@CoppersmithProductions
@CoppersmithProductions 8 ай бұрын
Did you adjust the Regen braking settings when you were driving in the heavy snow? I just got a MYP and I haven't driven it in snow (yet.) The Regen is very aggressive and it worries me that it will cause the tires to slip in snowy conditions if I take my foot off the accelerator. Is "Roll" a better option than "Hold" ?
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 8 ай бұрын
There are no regen settings anymore. My recommendation is to leave them at hold stop. The car will back off on regen if it senses slippage.
@CoppersmithProductions
@CoppersmithProductions 8 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla it's funny, right after I left that comment I saw you did an actual video on the subject that answered my questions. Thank you!
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 8 ай бұрын
@CoppersmithProductions Glad you found it.
@savagecub
@savagecub 9 ай бұрын
Do you just like stopping a lot ? I go about 160 sm per leg in my Tesla.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 9 ай бұрын
I like getting to my destination fastest and that sometimes means stopping more often for less time.
@davidrandall2742
@davidrandall2742 10 ай бұрын
Try it in a Chevy Bolt! :) It's doable, but slow... Can you get narrower tires -- with taller sidewalls -- on smaller wheels for Teslas? Bolts come with 215/50x17s, but I run 205/65x15 winters on Sonic wheels in the cold.
@iowatesla
@iowatesla 10 ай бұрын
You are a brave, brave person. As for tires, I really don't know. I'm good with sticking with the factory sizes.
@davidrandall2742
@davidrandall2742 10 ай бұрын
@@iowatesla -- Understood, but for winter you might want to look into a narrower tire on a smaller wheel like mentioned above; it really helps.
@davidbondi
@davidbondi 10 ай бұрын
@@davidrandall2742Narrower tires are an issue because of the load rating required to support the weight of the Tesla. We have lived in Utah for 30 years and I have been doing separate wheels/tires for winter for our cars the whole time. I do typically go a size narrower and a smaller wheel, but in this case, there just aren't appropriate tire options (weight rating). There are narrower tires that will fit, but a knowledgeable person should not sell them to you. I have a 23 MYP, and just as with previous vehicles, I am doing a winter setup. 19" wheels, Tesla TPMS, and 255/45R19 Michelin X-Ice (M+S and Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake) tires that carry the required 104 and XL load rating. This is one of the the factory sizes for the non Performance MY. They aren't on the car yet, just mounted and ready in my garage as I don't want to eat up the soft rubber compound on just dry or wet pavement. No real snow to speak of yet, so waiting until the last minute to put them on the car. I am excited to see how the Tesla handles the snow. Can't wait to get it up the mountain on a ski day.
@davidrandall2742
@davidrandall2742 10 ай бұрын
@davidbondi -- Load rating is key The stock rating for the Bolt is 91, but the 205/65x15 michelin x-ice is 99, and the Nokian 195/70x15s have a 108 rating
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