IPA forum on the Voice to Parliament in Perth - August 2023

[@RobynCox-y2h]

And he comes from my home town Tingha,well done young man.

[@adriankelly372]

VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!! No apartheid.

[@sabejreid2072]

AGRED 200%

[@AraratGold]

The Voice is a bad episode of Married at First Sight, except there's no option for divorce ! JUST VOTE NO, because it is too bloody dangerous to be messing with our Constitution for the sake of only 3% of the population !

[@matttcoburn]

Tony is a class act

[@James-kv6kb]

That's why he was only prime minister for a short time

[@biggles5633]

I thoroughly enjoyed Tony Abbot's presentation. Clinically thought out, masterfully presented and articulated. It's Tony Abbot as his best, his intellect in full display. It's a pity that politics got in the way of his Prime Ministership but he can probably do more good by encouraging Australians to think about about our circumstances and the future of this country. What's pragmatic, what's possible, what's realistic.

[@alexwoo3504]

Vote Note!!!!!!!!

[@belladonna5049]

Please read THOMAS MAYO & KERRY O’BRIEN “ THE VOICE TO PARLIAMENT” This is important to get right

[@dploi]

Tony Abbott is such a legend

[@JC-oy9ou]

Tony Abbott is just a blessing

[@stevesmith7065]

Tony Abbott is 100% correct about the 'Voice'. Vote NO.

[@JC-oy9ou]

The voice Sucks Vote NO

[@leonharrison800]

Identity politics is here. Get over it losers. Yes,I am Gay and pro Aboriginal. Stick Australia and burn the damn flag.

[@dominicgalante9753]

TONY OUR HERO FOR ALL ON THE NO VOTE AS WELL

[@karenvecsei4217]

Tony was a coward when Putin arrived in Australia. Budgie Smuggler

[@paulgoodhand1087]

Tony Abbott 👍 what legend 100% true😉

[@annebrinkmann1702]

God bless you Tony for speaking the truth!

[@fredbear-sf9st]

I’m indigenous and I’m voting No.

[@AraratGold]

Good on you Bunji ! Big no from me too !

[@coobye]

I'm also voting NO but am curious as to your views as to why you're voting no as an indigenous Aussie?.

[@garyjohnstone6422]

Because he is smart@@coobye

[@belladonna5049]

Please read the book written by Thomas Mayo and Kerry O’Brien ( the very credible journalist from Four Corners) They very logically can explain why voting YES is the right decision. I’m a white in my 50’s and even I have seen a great deal of discrimination against indigenous people growing up in this country and I will not stand for it to continue. What I have seen proves the negative impact history has had on indigenous people. An indigenous voice needs to be enshrined in the constitution so it can’t be erased by incoming government at the time. Please check the book out

[@brontepetropoulos4755]

Good on ya mate👍

[@sisiphas]

Thank you all. Tony, thank you for everything you have so clearly said, and how much work you have done in this area.

[@simonwells4820]

There are indigenous people in Australia that really do need some help, but there are also many other Australians that also require help. The biggest problems we have is getting the money where it needs to go due to corruption. There are far to many 'organisations' which act as middle men/woman where we loose a substantial amount of the monies given.

[@lozfromozlyons4749]

The half whites are not liked by Aboriginals because they ticked a box to get on the gravy train and nor are they liked by those that agree with them.

[@beepbeep6861]

Prove it or shut up. 😂😂😂

[@simonwells4820]

@@beepbeep6861 Prove what? ATSIC nuff said?

[@beepbeep6861]

@@simonwells4820 ATSIC is no longer around, I'm talking about now.

[@simonwells4820]

@@beepbeep6861 I am not going to do your research for you... If you really think there is no corruption going on, or "big Man" politics, you are greatly mistaken. Try working for an indigenous organisation, I have, you will see the corruption first hand...

[@pibetowaki1953]

Save our nation before is to late I vote No

[@beepbeep6861]

Our nation, don't you mean, their nation.

[@James-kv6kb]

I believe this is a debate about political correctness if we're not going to say to certain people you don't deserve the money when the people in the bush do will then there's no point continuing

[@petermarsh4993]

Regarding first speaker and Maori incarceration rates. It’s a simple rule: Don’t do the crime and you don’t need to do the time. Exactly the same applies for Aborigines in Australia.

[@James-kv6kb]

Up until recently Google would only show Aboriginals statistics when it comes to death in custody even when you wrote in white deaths in custody. Now after causing so much anger in the Aboriginal community it turns out white people are four times more likely to suffer from this

[@jazzdobey7941]

You clearly have no idea of the amount of racial profiling, policing and jailing, the ATSI people suffer, for very often insignificant, petty, things that white people get away with every day of the week.

[@JW-br5nd]

Using the "logic" of the Voice means that the British should demand reparations from the Italians for the Roman invasion.

[@Mar--Mar]

And the Celtic tribes should demand reparations from Saxons and Normans.

[@belladonna5049]

My parents immigrated from Italy, however there is no way I could compare the treatment they received to the incredible abuse, disadvantage and trauma experienced by indigenous people. Mà davvero!

[@whatthe6532]

Intelligent analysis. Bravo.

[@peonypink9149]

Yes and the Irish, English and Scottish and their descendants need reparations from the Norwegians, Danes and Swedes for their Viking ancestors who invaded and pillaged their way through the UK and Ireland….. how absolutely insane!!!

[@jazzdobey7941]

If anywhere else in the world want to claim reparations for wrongdoings of the past, that's up to them, none of our business. It's not for Australia to tell other countries what they should or shouldn't do, is it?

[@sandybottom6623]

Vote No to Division. Vote No to Racism. Vote No to Apartheid. Vote No to The Voice. One Australia. All together. All equal.

[@karenvecsei4217]

What colour is your skin? Tell the Truth! I'm curious because if you Black Comments directed to me which I take serious and personal What colour us your skin?

[@Mar--Mar]

@@karenvecsei4217 Dividing people by skin colour is racist and offensive. Asking someone their skin colour is insulting.

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@Mar--Mar I'm Aboriginal and all comments have been directed to me when comments are about all Aboriginals in general Australia still have current Laws that only apply to Aboriginal and No Mainstream do called Australia. Born in the Sixties Around in the Seventies, The 1967 Referendum For Aboriginals Rights, 1972 - Aboriginal Land Rights, Aboriginal Land Hertiage, 1980 Aboriginal Black Deaths in Custody 1990 Aboriginal Land Rights Claim. What colour us your skin and what country do you come from?

[@Mar--Mar]

A whole lot of people who call themselves Aboriginal are not full blooded and are actually more European than Aboriginal. So their skin colour is the same as European. Often you can't tell just by looking at someone's skin colour if they are Aboriginal or not. In any case skin colour has nothing to do with being a human person. A good person is a good person and a bad person is a bad person no matter what their ethnic background.

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@Mar--Mar I am Aboriginal and proud of it. Identify yourself + by skin colour and Hertiage country) because Aboriginals didn't invite you in to this Country and neither did I. Aboriginal People as usual weren't consulted about the Mass Immigration of Foreigners That's Racism benefiting from Australia but have a Black hatred for the people

[@sabejreid2072]

Just joined the IPA. Good to be a part of it & Cpac Australia. Keep it up! 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@pieterwiffers3095]

Thank you

[@barryjulianwaldron3656]

Australia’s Referendum 2023 voice proposition is not limited to being an “Advisory Body”only. Where in the referendum proposition can one read the words “advisory body” or the words “no power of veto”. Nowhere! One can only read the word “a body”. This means the proposition is not a closed question but an open ended question to ensure that the function and purpose of the body can change in the future or even at the very moment the referendum passes. It would be such that a government who commands a majority vote in the Parliament could grant the body for being only “a body” a new power or powers from a simple parliamentary consent and thereby changing the function and purpose of the body in the future. If the “yes” mob were sincere about the body being only an “advisory body” then the words “advisory body” and not “ a body” would be embedded into the wording of the referendum proposition making the proposition a closed question. Beware. This is the trick in the trap! Mr. Albanese says it’s only an advisory body. A modest request. Just a small change. But Why? Why aren’t the referendum alarm bells ringing? 🇦🇺💯%

[@VOTENO-f2l]

It's NOT "The Voice"....it's "The Plan"

[@JaneTee-dc6si]

It's completely hypothetical, you could apply the same standard to any issue. It would be political suicide to commit to an "advisory body" then change at it.

[@veenacriddle1207]

Well said Tony Abbot. Let's all work.together, not divided God Bless one and all!!!

[@NineLivesburra]

Anthony Albanese is deluded if he thinks he will be able to control the aftermath if the Yes vote wins. He cannot control Marcia Langton, Lidia Thorpe, Linda Burney and many others now. If the yes vote wins, no Government as we know it will ever be able to govern and serve all Australians again. The only people who will ever be able to be served by the 'new-style' Government are the Aboriginal communities and given the way in which the $30 billion is not helping, there is no guarantee that The Voice will help all the ordinary people in those communities.

[@JasonTse]

Of course, we should help the less fortunate in civil society, but the less fortunate could be indigenous or non-indigenous. Therefore, we should use our taxpayer money to help someone in need, not because they are indigenous, but because they are Australian. Also, helping the less fortunate does not mean we must close the gaps in income, university enrollment rate, or mortality rate for any group of people. Gaps in various forms in a free society result from free choices we all enjoy, and we all need to take responsibility for them. People need to exercise independent decision-making for their own good.

[@MP-ye6tv]

well said, thank you !

[@yakidin63]

Great speeches. I hope people take it all on board.

[@claregray7296]

Pity Tony isn't our leader we would be in a better place. Thanks Tony for your time telling the true story on the voice. Vote NO.

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@pibetowaki1953]

Thank God

[@VOTENO-f2l]

VOTE NO

[@peterjames174]

a good hard look into why only 37% of indigenous funding is getting to the indigenous, an inquiry into we're the 63% is going something dramaticly wrong, 100% of indigenous funding should be going to indigenous, those ripping the system off should spend time in jail and be banned from any involvement in indigenous affairs ever again

[@peonypink9149]

Why don’t we ask Langton and Pearson where the $$ Billions from royalties and tax payer funds have gone???

[@suepaterson8948]

We wouldn’t sign a blank cheque or contract so why would we vote yes to the voice. HAPPILY VOTING NO.

[@nadakaram799]

God bless every speaker that had courage to speak the truth. We all suffered. We all suffered but we are NOT VICTIMS BUT OVERCOMES And I thank GOD FOR AUSTRALIA AND HER PEOPLE FROM EVERY COLOUR AND CREEDS I WILL BE VOTING ABSOLUTELY NO! WE ARE ONE PLEASE DO NOT DIVIDE THE PEOPLE!

[@Kwesekara1672]

If or when we can ever live in peace & harmony without all this greed, bitterness, racial hatred & division, is when we will reach enlightenment.

[@daveg507]

out standing all 3 speakers tony abbot for pm

[@pibetowaki1953]

Me too

[@pd4689]

"If you actually read the lengthy documents that stand as part of and behind the Uluru statement they are permeated by a sense of anger, grievance, entitlement and sovereignty". Well said Tony, a very succinct summary of the documents.

[@HelenSkene]

All people born in Australia are indigenous to Australia definition born in country

[@James-kv6kb]

When the prime minister says he had consultant people all over the country it is the Land councils that he has consulted who are the ones that are corrupt and causing all the problems in the first place not passing on any funding

[@whatthe6532]

Good news Aussie cousins we in NZ are booting out our Labour Government over similar issues. We’ve had enough.

[@richardburian2516]

Thankyou HONORABLE Tony Abbott. A brilliant speech containing much personal experience and history to support and educate the public, HONORABLE in your complete delivery of this encompassing issue. Thankyou again, distinguished ex PM.

[@MP-ye6tv]

the gap will never close without integration

[@brucesherborne408]

Very good

[@markrockliff2742]

I will be voting NO.

[@patriciawegert8587]

Well said Tony Abbott 👍

[@NineLivesburra]

Why can't the YES camp do something like this without resorting to name-calling & screaming at those who genuinely about all Australians, not one single group. Unlike the U.S. where you are "African American", Japanese American" or whatever else American, Australia is made up of "Australians" who are all equal. No-one denies that settlers did some things we cannot be proud of but so did many Aboriginal communities. It's also more than 200 years ago. No-one alive today is responsible for any of the atrocities but all Australians are responsible for the way the country moves forward. With the exception of Aboriginals living on traditional lands, every Australian has the same experiences and access to everything needed. Only about 25 years ago, Australia was the most successful multicultural country in the entire world. This voice will create Apartheid in Australia because a treaty is only needed when you need to have an agreement with a Sovereign nation and usually includes payments of reparations or payments to allow the treaty to stand to allow the nation needing the treaty to stay in the Sovereign nation. This is usually a lifelong payment for the privilege of staying in the Sovereign nation. The Government is already giving $30 billion each year to assist the Aboriginal peoples to help them solve the issues they were struggling with, some of those issues having roots in settlement. Unfortunately, that annual $30 billion is having little effect on the average Aboriginal person in Australia. There is no need to give additional money as we all know, in any situation, throwing money at the problem does not solve it. More money cannot stop the discrimination from the date of settlement. Just remember that all the Aboriginal nations are not free of discrimination within themselves. If descendants of settlers should pay reparations, should not descendants of Aboriginal communities who massacred other Aboriginal communities also pay reparations to those they hurt? What is needed is more adjudication of the money already going out to ensure it reaches the people it is meant to help. A constitutional change will create an Australian where the original people of this country will be able to force descendants of settlers to pay for the privilege of using land that may not have ever had significant interest previously, including the land the descendants of settlers built their homes, schools, hospitals, shopping centres etc etc on. You only need to read the 26 page document which clearly states that reparations, on top of the $30 billion each year, will be required. If that is the life you want, vote yes. If you want a way to truly help Aboriginal communities & repair the division created by this referendum, vote no.

[@tiesword3252]

WE THE PEOPLE...STAND STRONG for NO, NO to BULLY, NO to RACISM, NO to CENSORSHIP, and MOST OF ALL NO to UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....WE ARE NOT DIVIDE.....

[@flyonthewalltheatre]

VOTE NO!

[@carlcoolamon7146]

17:00 They got a mask for every target, but they ain't fooling us.

[@veenacriddle1207]

There are so beautiful aboriginals doing good works, let's all walk together helping one another. We are all Gods children. We must not be divided. Let's walk together to build our great Country. No to Voice division!!!

[@robsherlock9774]

Thank you IPA

[@dn-anonymous]

31:34 i cant find anything on this dan bourdain (spelling from autocaption). What is the spelling, who is he? Quite mad not to see the abc as very biased, even close to a hate group at times. Im roughly a centrist and i think they are weird.

[@onlytimewilltell204]

Are you not surprised when the underfunded ABC is sponsored by a corrupted syndicate for their propaganda

[@belladonna5049]

Have a read of THOMAS MAYO & KERRY O’BBRIEN “ THE VOUCR TO PARLIAMENT” Kerry was a journalist for FOUR CORNERS. He’s intelligent and insightful. I think that will help change your mind pretty quickly. Vote YES

[@onlytimewilltell204]

@@belladonna5049 lm quite open-minded to listen to everybody not just a leftist perspective that's what debate is if our PM hasn't read the 26 pages of proposed changes and is pushing a biased decision why is their a referendum where we that vote don't understand should follow his brain fart judges and lawyers are now debating the validity of this bill and No l won't just vote yes because he says so!

[@dn-anonymous]

@@belladonna5049 started reading it, better than i expected, but even so, nothing special. Generally speaking, the best argument to vote NO is the YES campaign, and vice versa. In my world, you people who talk politics are completely ill, and this is nothing more than a protracted divorce taking place, mostly between left and right. Indigenous people and their concerns are being drawn into the fray. Sorry I couldn't help you.

[@dn-anonymous]

@@onlytimewilltell204 very surprised, since it has survived changes of government, with little to no change. Suggests the loss of a meaningful middle ground for anyone to occupy. Thus, in public discussion, people can only take one side or another, seemingly on an institutional scale, so an institution like the ABC can only be either "left" or "right." If that is correct, and the middle ground is a thing of the past, then the particular choice of political chirality is immaterial.

[@patricelauverjon2856]

Many share the views about the dysfunctions of 'Politics from the heart, this global associations of Legislation and Spiritual Values: not surprisingly these coups against many Traditions generate more and more reactions. On the good side, this is the best memory process available, since this type of negativity could not rely on just a hidden agenda, and had to come to light. Waking up is wOking out!

[@marylacapp7262]

Well said Tony. Truth. Much respect.❤👏🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@onlytimewilltell204]

We all belong to this earth 🌎 we live on

[@jazzdobey7941]

YES from me!!

[@belladonna5049]

Well done Tony Abbott your speech has solidified my vote into a redeeming YES! for the voice. I’m not sure if you’re naive or an idiot. Indigenous history is riddled with ongoing trauma and abuse that have certainly resulted in the lack of opportunities indigenous people are experiencing right now. I am a privileged white woman in my late 50’s for SHAME ON YOU FIR PRETENDING OTHERWISE! Even I know better from what I have seen with my own eyes growing up in this country!

[@beasrj]

Well said everyone

[@dilipmehta7870]

Great work, proud of Tony Abbott.

[@beepbeep6861]

You should go and buck him.

[@sisiphas]

I’ ll be voting no for my country, and particularly for my indigenous friends who deserve better.

[@beepbeep6861]

How is it, your country.

[@Wasabitheband1]

🎯

[@DJDJDJ22]

I’ll be Voting Yes, Indigenous-Australians deserve constitutional recognition in some way or form. A voice to Parliament is a pretty good idea, give them a say on issues they may have with policies that could effect their culture or people and communities. They are after all Australian’s that love this country aswell. They deserve recognition. If it helps close the gaps and helps fight the racism they do often receive, I’ll be Voting Yes in support of my fellow Aboriginal-Australians.

[@Mar--Mar]

They already have many members of Parliament.

[@belladonna5049]

I totally agree with you. Tony showed a complete disregard of the impact that discrimination and trauma has had on indigenous people in the past and the present. If we don’t acknowledge this in the Constitution it will continue into the future. His speech completely convinced me to VOTE YES!!!

[@rosaleengrace]

I think we all support the recognition of Aboriginals in the PREAMBLE to the Constitution. We expected that was what we would be voting on...but sadly it is not! The changes they are making bring in permanent racial division. I cannot vote yes to that. It's so very sad that they completely stuffed up this opportunity. Sad for all of us.

[@whatthe6532]

Well you’d be a fool. Where is the Greek voice, the Italian voice, the Dutch voice et al. Stop and think it through.

[@jazzdobey7941]

​@@whatthe6532 Maybe in their homeland countries? Greece,Italy, etc,etc. I've seen this argument a lot and mean no disrespect but just think about it... We are talking about the First Nations People of what's now called Australia.

[@brontepetropoulos4755]

Big fat NO!!!!

[@patricelauverjon2856]

DAMAGES TO DOMESTIC LIFESTYLE We need to be wary of these moments when Logistics corrode genuine Love. Each of us holds a different proportion of feminine and masculine Values: when we get to an intimate relationship, both journeys to get to those moments have been different, and to argue about that journey is a useless ping pong game. Any relationship is about: the person, the partner, the relationship! Some POLITICS shift away from promoting self-esteem and self-awareness, and go as far as having a dividing domestic dysfunctional impact.

[@kevinsmith3671]

Write NO.

[@sabejreid2072]

I'm a gay lady and I'm voting No 🇦🇺

[@leonharrison800]

Stop the IPA lies. The yes lost but Treaty,closing the Gap, self govt and Black justice cannot be cancelled. Neither will reparations and giving back Country.

[@jamesjackson8652]

Tony Abbott is talking complete rubbish. I have to admit he is being effective though. What a sad dumb country we are becoming. It is clear from the vast majority of comments to this video that most people have no idea what the voices limitations are. So much complete dribble.

[@margarethennessey5182]

Voting NO. Couldn’t vot yes.

[@ralphmogridge8364]

SkyLies Extra???......Surprise surprise!!

[@Buddfox]

Aboriginals want UBI. Maybe 🤔 let’s give it and be honest about it

[@omarmacintyre]

Sorry but the first speakers argument was so reductive and weak.

[@VK6AB-]

The Voice is part of a six stage strategy, the Voice itself is stage 5 and stage 6 is Makarrata. The aims are clearly stated "A TREATY could include a proper say in decision making, the establishment of a TRUTH commission, REPARATIONS, a financial settlement (such as seeking a PERCENTAGE OF GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, RECOGNITION OF AUTHORITY and CUSTOMARY LAW" (from page 19 of a 26 page document released under FOI (FOI/2223/016) from the National Indigenous Australian Agency, page 1 is titled Uluru statement from the heart [centre justified]) "Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda" from the Uluru Statement from the Heart (page 1). So its very clear not only is the Voice an assault on democratic principles, not only does it introduce race/cultural identity into the constitution, its part of an agenda that the Prime Minister himself promotes VOICE - TREATY - TRUTH. He even has the T - shirt. The National Indigenous Australian Agency (under Linda Burney) has had executive authority to close the gap since 2019. (e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows: iii. to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; (Federal register of legislation, C2019G00474). Moreover the three clauses to be inserted into section 129 of the constitution do not include the words advice, advisory or advise: - i There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice. - ii The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. - iii The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice (AEC). Vote NO "it is a ruthless con job" (Greg Craven, The Australian).

[@jazzdobey7941]

We already have Treaties, and the VtP won't make any difference in whether or not more are made.

[@martinlyons7181]

Equality = Vote No