IQSA Zoom Seminar #7 Robert Hoyland, "'Arabi and A'jami in the Qur'an: The Language of Revelation.."

Check out the seventh and final installment in the series of IQSA Corona Qur’an Seminars on Zoom (#IQSAZoom), in which Dr. Robert Hoyland (New York University) speaks on “''Arabi and A'jami in the Qur'an: The Language of Revelation in Muhammad's Hijaz."
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[@fouzislisli7213]

An excellent analysis. Please try to improve the sound quality, at least for the coming lectures.

[@malekmoubasher9902]

Great effort, thanks for publishing

[@anaveler4147]

Might this be a matter of how the text - translates (out of the named instance of language it was rendered into)?

[@Deuntjes1]

If one makes the comparision between Latin and the vernacular, one would go for Greek as Ajami, as a language that was not probably understood by many

[@Deuntjes1]

Why could Ajami not denoted the Greek language? Could anyone explain?

[@gk-qf9hv]

What is the meaning of the word معجم (معجم القران), And is it derived from the word عجمي?

[@gk-qf9hv]

Hoyland is a grate analyst. But I wish he could be more detailed / less "compact" in his talks.

[@unityindiversity8964]

Please anyone mention the Qur'an verse ??

[@Zarghaam12]

Several verses are relevant: Q 2:78, Q 10:37, Q 16:103 Q 28:198, Q 41: 3 & 44, Q 43:7, Q 46:12 I think I got them right!

[@ranro7371]

ajami was never elaborated on because it's been used for non-arabs, second Asateerul-Awwaleen verse should be seen with regards to bringing the book in a barbarian tongue, and also al-waqidi states that the jews rejected the prophet because they only believed that a prophet could come from their people. Arabic is older than Ugaritic looking at it linguistically, why Arab would not be defined is a rather bizarre ascertain to make.

[@TheUnique69able]

The fables of old verse is clear and doesn’t need further exegesis. As for why Arabic was widely written down was because the speakers of the language weren’t very keen on that since some didn’t have the luxury due to their harsh life in the desert. Others were using other languages to write such as aramean and Greek

[@ranro7371]

dan gibson is being asked about? this shows the quality of """researchers""" at iqsa lol

[@Zarghaam12]

It was a questioner who brought up Dan Gibson, the pseudo-archaeologist!

[@Peter-xf9jy]

bring sth like it, tons of people speak in the Quran, even Jinn are being quoted verbatim.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

on the other hand Allah quotes himslef in different ways, when he speaks to Musa or iblis: - 20.11-12 فلما أتاها نُدِيَ: ياموسى. إني أنا ربك، فاخلَع نَعلَيك إنك بالودِ المقدّس طُوىً - 27.8-9 فلما جاﺀها نُدِيَ: أنْ بُرِكَ مَن في النار ومن حولها ... ياموسى إني أنا الله العزيز الحكيم ... - 28.30 فلما أتاها نُدِيَ مِن شاطئِ الوادِ اليمين في بُقعة مباركة من الشجرةِ أنْ: ياموسى إني أنا ربُّ العالمين what did he really say ? just in case smo asks you to show him different ahruf ...

[@Peter-xf9jy]

coranic arabic is not from the hijaz, but from nabatean petra

[@Peter-xf9jy]

nothing has been found in todays mekka. guess why !? PS on which planet do you live ? fantacy island ?

[@Zarghaam12]

No, you weren't listening! Pre-Islamic Arabic poetry is also from Arabia, Hijaz included, and nothing to do with Petra!

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@Zarghaam12 preislamic means post nabatean. Spoken Arabic didnt exist until after Jesus Christ. Written arabic even centuries later.

[@donnie27brasco]

​@@Peter-xf9jy ( preislamic means post nabatean. Spoken Arabic didnt exist until after Jesus Christ.) Arabic exist way before Jesus Christ, it’s the mother of the so called Semitic languages, because all the Semitic people immigrated from Arabia and the language there back then wasn't Chinese. (Written arabic even centuries later.) WRONG. You can see evidence of the WRITTEN Arabic in the old Arabic inscriptions, like Safaitic and Thamudic (10th BC- 3rd, or 4th AD), where there are significant similarities, in verbs and names, between the Arabic spoken then, and centuries later. However, even if Arabic didn't exist until after Jesus Christ, still means it’s the oldest living language. I know that you hate the almighty Arabic language, and jealous of it, because your hybrid laughable half-Greek Coptic is DEAD. إلُهي، إلُهي، لِمَ شبقتني؟ You Jesus didn't spoke the useless Coptic. You better learn the original Aramaic, which was itself a variant of the old Arabics.

[@samigff5242]

The Arabic language is the language of the Qur’an, which is the last revelation from God Almighty. The Qur’an is the miracle of the Prophet Muhammad. The Arabic language is a language of thinking, not memorization

[@rawdog8141]

Sami, I thought Allah said No miracles for Muhammad, Why are you trying to slip it in ❓

[@donnie27brasco]

ليس صحيحا على الإطلاق أن كلمة "أعجمي" هي مثل "البربري" عن الرومان. "أعجمي" عندما يستخدمها العرب فهي تعني بكل بساطة كل من ليس عربيا فحسب، أو من لم تكن لغته الأم هي العربية، لا يوجد أي معنى تحقيري للكلمة بحد ذاتها. الأمر الآخر، فيما يخص سبب تأكيد القرآن أكثر من مرة أن القرآن عربي ليس أعجمي، هو أنه وفي أكثر من مرة، أتى بعض المشككين بالقرآن للرسول عليه السلام مستفسرين عن معنى هذه الكلمة أو تلك في القرآن، وفي كل مرة كان يتضح لهم أن هذه الكلمة عربية فصيحة تستخدمها قبائل أخرى، وفي كل مرة كان أولئك المشككون يرضون بهذا الرد، وهذا بالمناسبة بحد ذاته دلالة على أن أي كلمة استخدمها العرب الأقحاح عير المختلطون بالأعاجم، تُعتَبر كلمة عربية عند غيرهم من العرب، حتى لو لم يسمعوا بها من قبل. هناك قصة شهيرة في هذا الشأن لكنها لا تحضرني الآن.