Iroh IS NOT a Villain! (My Response to the Official Avatar Channel)

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I actually made this video a year ago but decided not to upload it, as I feared the Avatar channel would come after me. But I decided to upload it anyway. Enjoy!

[@MovieFlame]

I actually made this video a year ago but decided not to upload it, as I feared the Avatar channel would come after me. But one year later, I decided to upload it anyway. Enjoy! Also, here's the video in question: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oImqpZd8adR9f5Y&ab_channel=Avatar%3ATheLastAirbender

[@Moonlit-Demon]

It's an amazing video!

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Damn the guts.... I love it

[@katrinaalyssa7462]

YOU'RE A BADASS😆

[@some_rat_dude]

WOOOO!!

[@Itzduhhistorygirl]

Thanks for the upload moviwflame can you do the life of Lin beifong please I watch all of your ATLA and LOK videos.

[@joshuamoyer4141]

Another point on the Agni Kai: Iroh didn't interfere with the Agni Kai against Zhao. Zuko won the Agni Kai, and Zhao tried to launch a sneak attack while Zuko had his back turned. That's when Iroh stepped in.

[@crisscrossam]

i was just going to comment this. this is argument enough for the two agni kai's to be different and why Iroh couldn't interfere.

[@chendror872]

Exactly! But we can't expect the official avatar channel to know about Avatar right?

[@RiseeRee]

Exactly!

[@notalonewolf20]

Yes! Iron stepped in after Zhao had lost, if anything he was a referee protecting Zuko once the match was called. The honor of the duel had been satisfied, then Zhao threw the rules and sense of honor out the window.

[@endeysh7081]

TRUE

[@jenng.e.7652]

Blaming Iroh for how Ozai “turned out” it’s like saying Zuko is also to blame for Azula!

[@RADARMYBRAT32]

Avatar fans know Ozai is to blame for how Azula turned out

[@דורמוראל]

I blame the royal family’s psychiatrist for not prescribing Azula the medicines she needed

[@jakecheyne4966]

“What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” I feel like this quote represents iroh except replace nature with circumstances as iroh was never evil but simply born from evil

[@zacharyisenbletter8944]

couldn't said any better myself pal also paarthurnax and iroh would be friends if they ever met

[@sunshinecrystal2001]

​@@zacharyisenbletter8944 paarthurnax like the dragon from skyrim 😯

[@zacharyisenbletter8944]

@@sunshinecrystal2001 no i'm talking about the spy from tf2 (:

[@corey4370]

@@zacharyisenbletter8944 I didn’t know that the characters have names?

[@zacharyisenbletter8944]

@@corey4370 the characters in tf2 really don't have names that i know of i was just joking i do that

[@LightSage89]

Iroh: I killed the last dragons. Fire Nation: Cool! So that means you get the title of Dragon, right? Iroh, how the Avatar channel wanted him to respond: ... Uh... no. Fire Nation: Did you kill the last dragons or not? Iroh: ... Fire Nation: Okay, everyone. Suit up. We have a couple of dragons to hunt and a General to court marshal for lying.

[@PearDBD]

ok...

[@Norbert_Sattler]

8:10 It's been a bit since I last watched Avatar, so correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Chou attack Zuko from behind AFTER he had already been beaten and thus the Agni Kai was already over at the moment Iroh stepped in?

[@gennybaratta2460]

Yep you’re remembering correctly

[@typo1345]

nope that's right. Zhao tried attacking Zuko when his back was turned after Zuko had won and spared him, and Iroh intervened, and stopped Zuko from re-engaging Zhao

[@IdiotSandwich69420lol]

Avatar channel: Iron is evil Avatar fanbase: *you aren't very bright are you?*

[@clonetrooper2003]

When the fanbase understands the show more than the OFFICIAL CHANNEL that is tied to it

[@paulshipper143]

I remember the Take Two thing on Harry Potter being a villian... so.. I expect this to go the same way.

[@Sp3c9000]

This isn't a new thing, tons of "official" fandom channels are nothing but cash-grabs run by people who've hardly, if ever, actually consumed the material that they claim to represent. They have people write scripts for them, don't bother to actually do any fact checking, and then they read them for the videos. This is one of the many reasons channels like yours and Dean's actually have consistently loyal viewing audiences, you guys care about the material you speak about and if you make a mistake you own up to it, those "official" channels don't care about having integrity because they can slap together some clickbait knowing it'll draw people in; they only care about clicks.

[@jacobholly2096]

He wasn't evil in a sense he probably did the things he did because of his firelord father , other than that he's pure of heart, for his son , for zuko ,he spared dragons ,help aang and his friends , helped take away forced firenation control with the white lotus , sees goodness in all living and non living things, and makes great tea.

[@rase5994]

It's quite fitting that in 4 hours, this video has almost reached the same amount of likes than the one bashing Iroh had in over a year. EDIT: Tied in 6 B-)

[@andrewlance3898]

If the Dislike button was still around, I'm sure the Avatar channel video would have a solid red bar

[@bent2461]

Who in their right mind would think that?

[@tonyarnett4851]

Also,during the Agni Kai,Iroh only closed his eyes because he couldn't bare to see his nephew suffer.

[@gennybaratta2460]

Exactly. I’ve always thought that was pretty clear even from when I first watched the show at age 8

[@1953Stephan]

I've always believed Iroh to be a good guy at heart he was always there to calm Zuko down when he angered

[@futbol_rolf9624]

does anyone LEGITIMATELY THINK IROH IS EVIL?????

[@MrNess47]

As someone who has Suki tattooed on my arm, and my logo inspired from the show, thank you for roasting the living hell out of this joke of a channel.

[@smelyjoe8917]

I’ve only just finished the last airbender and only watched it once, yet I still see how Iroh was a hero not only that but he’s the reason Zuko’s redemption arc happened.

[@PrayerWarrior4]

4:14 I thought he was called the Dragon of the West because he would drink Tea and breath out fire? It is in the season finale of season 2 when he was using it to help him and Zuko escape Azula

[@itz_shadow]

The nickname the dragon of the west is literally because he is good at firing fire out of his mouth

[@BlueB360]

You know that one scene from Muppet: Treasure Island? Where Mr Arrow hits Polly Lobster against the tree, with his head in his hand? That pretty much describes my feelings about this video on Iroh.

[@BlueB360]

Muppet Treasure Island (1996) - Battle with the pirates. 3:50 - 3:53

[@e12345-b]

Oh my lord, the guy sounds so smug and annoying while giving his points. "Am I saying Iroh's a bad guy? HAHA yeah, pretty much!"

[@arandominternetuser66]

Next video: Reasons why Toph is a villian! (She abandoned her parents, breaking thier heart.)

[@katrinaalyssa7462]

The simple conclusion is, the people manning the official account are probably the same people who made the live-action-movie-that-should-not-be-named😆

[@andrewlance3898]

They've probably never seen the show - they just laugh at the memes and scroll the wiki when they need to churn out some clickbait

[@Bandikit]

I recognized from the very first moment Uncle Iroh was on screen that he was, in fact, a good guy. There is no way such a fountain of wisdom and compassion could be secretly evil. Have these people even watched the show? There is not a single evil thing he does in the established "present day" of the show. How dare they disrespect our uncle?

[@kbarts316]

I think they’re just running out of ideas lol Sure, Iroh has done some dark stuff in his past. But he said that’s just the family business. You can’t blame one person for an entire family with generational trauma.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

1:02 While he was a Fire Nation general I may ask when did it ever say he committed a single war crime. 4:20 According to the official ATLA channel if at any point something goes wrong it's all Iroh's fault no matter if he couldn't be more disconnected. 10:06 I have serious doubts that Iroh would want to burn down the entirety of the Earth Kingdom just to get rid of the Earth Kingdom's hope.

[@aarkansinghal6633]

I also often watch the official Avatar channel. Apparently, Iroh is a popular choice on their KZbin community tab polls seeing as he is a well-liked character (please don't get me wrong, I know why, and I too like Iroh). I guess they kind of got sick of everyone rooting for Iroh on almost every poll featuring him and decided to make a video against Iroh to push people off.

[@bradcha5413]

lol that explains his response to Azula being crazy and taken down lol

[@yukineghostking2127]

I'm so lucky I haven't stumbled across the vid. I'd been so upset to hear one of my favourite characters PERIOD slandered

[@crunchywater2329]

whoever was talking in the avatar video sounds like spongebob

[@joshuacarre06]

Never thought I would see movie flame beef with the avatar youtube channel Lmfao

[@officer-alex-hits3209]

I have a theory that the narrator for “the video” was from the fire nation’s perspective, the fire nation saw lroh as a traitor when Zuko returned and this was their way to try and defame him.

[@Shadow_Symphony]

“When I was a boy, I had a vision that I would one day take Ba sing se. Only now I do I see it is my destiny to take it back from the fire nation” - Iroh EVEN IF Iroh was a villain THEN, that does NOT define who he is in the now. Plus, if Iroh really wanted a vacation, why would he stick with Zuko? Zuko obviously didn’t want one. If I had an impulsive teen nephew, that was following the wishes someone else put on him, that was following the wrong path, that has a horrible father, and wanted nothing but the love and approval of a parental figure, why wouldn’t I accompany them? Why wouldn’t I want them to relax after the constant pain? Why wouldn’t I want them to be happy. Iroh supported Zuko’s wish to hunt the avatar because Zuko was far too immature to understand Iroh if he tried to steer him away immediately. It took time to find the right moment, and sprinkle in affection, cuz you can’t help someone with deep rooted pain immediately like Zuko. It obviously worked. You saw how IN TEARS Zuko was when he apologized to Iroh. “…but I want you to know, I am so, so sorry Uncle..I am so sorry and ashamed of what I did. I don’t know how I can ever make it up to you…” - Zuko Iroh helped Zuko’s deep rooted pain, with deep rooted love and affection, and this quote is proof of that. If he wasn’t there, to counsel zuko, “It’s time for you to look inward and start asking the big questions! Who are you? And what do YOU want?” Who knows how zuko would’ve turned out. Try to tell me right now that this a villain.

[@JosePerez-vm1yl]

Uncle Iroh is the best character, wise, caring, and just amazing!

[@E.L.Tigre32]

This is what happens when someone thinks they can cancel a character without understanding their story

[@staciemohler4624]

3:42 basically said “yeah he saved the dragons but they gave him a nickname so is he really that good of a guy”

[@sab3redg333]

This video about iroh from the avatar channel was brought to you by fire lord ozai

[@joshuaa9026]

It's like they tried making a Film Theory type video, but failing

[@sizablesplash7815]

The video was deleted… shocking

[@Tjisabodmon]

Thank you MovieFlame that video was incredibly disrespectful I can’t believe it was up for this long

[@humanitoryhuman8351]

How is MF the only person on the internet that is NEVER wrong? (Except once, Percy Jackosn is obvi a hufflepuff)

[@isaacstevenson2960]

In the best Lemongrab voice I can, “THIS IS UNACCEPTABLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!”

[@Chips_and_Gears]

calling this National Treasure a villain is a crime

[@lovefromwonderland]

The fact that people keep trying to say Iroh is the villain or somewhat of a bad guy proves to me that these people COMPLETELY missed the point of his character.

[@riakun]

The best take that they could use is the whole general angle. Good people can do bad things, but still be overall good people. We see Iroh laugh when he wrote the letter to his family while at war. He was a dedicated soldier and general, and loyal to his father. BUT! That all changed when his son died in war, and he retreated. That was when he fully transitioned to who he is now. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Iroh is not evil; he never was. He made mistakes in the past, sure, but who hasn’t? He is an amazing character that went through so much to get where he is, and even before that, he was never a bad man.

[@ChocoDee_Hz]

Didn’t Watch, saw title, had comment. Iroh was 100% villainous, just the Iroh we got to know was past that point in his life. The man was a war General, who only stopped his conquest after meeting the dragons, and losing his son. He tasted both ends of the spectrum, that’s how he was able to find true peace. Literally the definition of Buddhist monk.

[@FrenchhFriessss]

I understand why people think iroh is a villain, but really he’s a hero

[@jahidbyrd2195]

I have always been wondering can you make a video on all of the different creatures and mythical creatures in the Harry Potter world including Vampires

[@alexeecs]

Also Iroh stopped the Agni Kai with Zhao because Zhao literally broke the rules...

[@LuminousWhispers11]

To be honest, I would have just assumed that the video was a joke and moved on. Even the tone given and claims given seems like that they are being dramatic on purpose.

[@memebrain2177]

The only evil thing iroh has ever done Was stealing that one perfume in season one The rest is hustling newbies on Pai sho

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

How could anyone say that Iroh is evil with a straight face?

[@OrianGame_]

Fr

[@alexc5156]

anything for clicks. Cause they're definitely out of their minds

[@OrianGame_]

@@magnus5747 no NOOOO

[@bestjayceejay2518]

Fr he was only a general not like he committed genocide if he’s evil then general mcarthur is evil then it’s war

[@ScripulousFingore6133]

maybe that's why he didn't show his face on that part

[@PoolKid75]

How is it that the people put in charge of every pop culture franchise seem to actively hate that franchise and attempt to undermine it? Why is it that fans have to come to a franchise's defence against the people representing the franchise itself? Something is seriously wrong in the entertainment industry.

[@agm5424]

Because sadly most of the fans are content with only being observers, to only watch and enjoy. They don't want to take part, in any way, in the maintaining and continuation of the material itself.

[@Sp3c9000]

Simply because they know it will generate clicks/comments that give them their revenue and that's all they care about. Majority of "official" fandom channels are like this.

[@flo4606]

I didn't take their vid as hate. It's just a vid from a diff perspective on a character that draws discussion, which is good for their franchise. Not saying all their arguments were completely valid as MovieFlame has pointed out and debunked some, but yea it's just nuance to think about

[@pepito2847]

@@flo4606 Yeah I was laughing my behind off at how over the top the videos’ explanations were and how MovieFlame called them out for it Hey, would any of you like to hear some of my unpopular avatar related opinions

[@PrayerWarrior4]

Rewriting history makes a new culture and world they want to control and influence for themselves, like it is written in utopia (and by example for references, Ba Sing Se) control the narrative and no one will think for themselves or question what's really happening.

Man, even as a 7 year old I understood that Iroh was a good character.

[@peteryanes3413]

I was 12 & knew he was a good /bad guy

@@lilunette9319 same! He sounded like one of those aggressive gamers trying to force their opinion on you. Unlike from Morgan, I didn't see any well explained facts or arguments!

[@Neurogenesis1251]

You were deceived dont you see it? Everything Iroh has done, every wise sentence he has spoken, was done to pit zuko and avatar against the firelord, who just wanted to share the fire nations prosperity throughout their world, and that only to take revenge against his father who disinherited him.

[@rezzot5881]

@@Neurogenesis1251 Then why didn’t he become the firelord? Iroh didn’t care about power after his son died. It was like his world was shattered and it shifted the way he looked at everything

[@UrNormalCreator]

Bruh everyone did the person that is doing the Iron is evil video is dumb. Iq must be below 0

[@Keyatzin]

I'd say the main reason Iroh was able to step in during the Zuko-Zhao Agni kai, was because it was already finished. Zuko had won. Iroh didn't step in when Zuko was about to lose the very same fight, (the part where Zuko is on his back, right before he did that awesome spin kick from the ground). He knows Zuko has to fight his own battles, and he knows how important honor is to Zuko, also.

[@chrisblanc663]

Also, also, the whole point of an Agni Kai is honorable combat. Zhao behaved dishonorably by trying to attack his opponent when his back was turned. He STOPPED Zhao from hurting his own honor even more.

[@fourthhorsemendeath218]

The fact anyone could call Iroh a villain is stupid. Sure he might have done some bad things during the war, but then again, that was the war and he was younger. Throughout the series he was a kind person who was always nice to everyone, even people trying to hurt him.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Not only that, but it's also worth mentioning that Iroh played a huge and extremely pivotal role in Zuko ultimately being redeemed, which was his main reason for accompanying his nephew after being exiled. If anything, I view Iroh as proof that the writers' were trying to show that even the Fire Nation, the primary villains of the story, wasn't completely evil to it's core like much of the rest of the world viewed them as being because of their actions, as there are still good people who are a part of that nation.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

And honestly ozai and whoever his dad is are scary and honestly don’t give a shit if u disagree

[@beatriceretops]

Even iroh in thr movie wasnt even that bad compared to this

[@quietopinion9637]

He was horrible to Azula

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

​@@quietopinion9637Wow giving a beautiful, expensive doll to a little girl. How cruel & horrible.

[@ДенисЛенков-з2и]

Btw, didn't Iroh step in during that Zhao vs Zuko scene after Zuko already won and spared Zhao? The Agni Kai was already over, the result was clear and Zhao tried to sneak attack Zuko as he was walking away from Zhao with his back turned to him. So Iroh had every right to step in and stop Zhao here as at that point Zhao did a truly disgusting disonorable thing. This is way different from the situation with the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai

[@GracieGray10]

He’s the character that brought the protags and the antag together?! If anything he represents peace 😂

[@psychogirly910]

Iroh literally gets mugged, and not only takes the time to teach his attacker how to mug better, but then takes the time to get to know him, believe in him and show him that he can do something better with his life than mugging people. Yeah that sure is a villain right there 🤦‍♂️ Won't even bother giving thousands of other examples, you true Avatar fans out there know em better than me :) Cmon, Uncle Iroh is the best ❤️💖

[@syppy7416]

-took the title of Dragon of The West so the hunt for dragons would stop that's my contribution here

[@psychogirly910]

@@syppy7416 Much appreciated :)

[@syppy7416]

@@psychogirly910 np!

[@Zac_Frost]

-Decides to settle down in Ba Sing Se as a humble, friendly tea shop owner instead of trying to take over said city. Which, you know, was something he believed was his whole purpose throughout most of his life. Totally evil. How dare he make good tea for people at a fair price? And abandon what he thought was his destiny for a happy, peaceful life of making others happy? What an awful guy, am I right? (Total sarcasm) That's one of the many I could give. I've rewatched this series dozens of times, and each time, I appreciate Iroh's inherent goodness more. From his very first scene, you see him gently trying to get Zuko through a tough time. For a while in Book 2, you even see him manage to get Zuko to briefly give up on his Avatar Hunt and accept that they can just be happy, normal folks running a humble little tea shop, and that a quiet life of just working hard, and being decent people can be just fine.

[@syppy7416]

@@Zac_Frost I do love that

[@Wes_Master]

I genuinely can’t stand the Avatar KZbin channel. Thank you so much for calling them out.

[@sastryvnk4402]

What the heck is with them?

[@levievil9220]

@@sastryvnk4402 probably a woke writer got in and decided to paint the show as badly as possible because the main cast is mostly males though that’s my theory

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@levievil9220 Who knows what it is. No matter what though, it's certainly shit

[@levievil9220]

@@Jonathan-A.C. agreed

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

​@@levievil9220 Mostly male? Unless you count animals (who don't care about gender) by book 3 team avatar had 3 males Aang, Soka & Zuko & 3 females. Katara, Toph & Suki.

[@alfiro-morgif3908]

Quoting Fred and George Weasley, after watching the arguments that the guy stated that Iroh was a villain: THATS RUBBISH!!

[@bigredz932]

They also ignored that Irohs sons death led to Iroh being passed over by his brother

[@forestgrump4723]

Actually that was not the reason. That was the reason Ozai tried to argue with that caused the fire lord to demand Ozai kill HIS only son to teach him a lesson. Zuko’s mother couldn’t bear this and agreed to poison the fire lord for Ozai. After doing this however she had to leave because Ozai didn’t trust her to not poison him too at some point. She agreed to these terms in order to save Zuko’s life. They then convinced the fire lord to revoke Iroh’s birthright as he was dying probably simply because he wasn’t present and the fire lord wasn’t thinking clearly through the poison

[@BananaHammocks]

Iroh had points in his life where he was a villain but the show covers that for maybe 20 seconds of its entire runtime. most of what iroh did as a general is assumed or speculation but he is obviously a reformed man and one of the best examples of good ive ever seen in a character. cant believe that this is even a real take

[@Ikajo]

Something the show did quite well, was show that good and evil isn't really a thing. There are good and bad actions. A refusal to change and acting in self-interest are bad. Accepting change and admitting to one's own faults are good. We see this among the protagonists as well as the antagonists. Jet was doing bad things and refused to change. Even if he was against the Fire Nation. Master Paku was misogynistic and refused to consider anything outside his own point of view. Until he was confronted with the consequences of his own actions. What made him good in the end, was him changing because of that. If he hadn't, he would have been a bad guy. In comparison we have Sokka's swords master, who trained him without prejudice. Despite being from the Fire Nation. Making him a genuinely good person.

[@Zac_Frost]

@@Ikajo Agreed. We even see a bit of a gray area with Jeong Jeong. He acknowledges the awful things he did in the past, but instead of doing something good to counterbalance them, he just sits as a hermit and does nothing until the end. Until that last bit, he's in the middle a bit. Not really bad as he's no longer hurting anyone, but not really good as he's not helping yet, either.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Yeah, I don't think Iroh was the kind of general who went around killing unarmed civilians.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Imagine understanding tye character better than the official KZbin channel for it

[@reday717]

Who in their right mind would think IROH IS A BAD GUY HE IS A MENTOR character who guides zuko to the light

[@jameswilliamsjr6202]

When Iroh stopped Zhao when Zuko and Zhao had there Agni Kai, it was in fact already over cause just after he stopped the fight he said " so this is how the great Commander Zhao acts in defeat, disgraceful!" Just because you do something bad doesn't make you a bad person for life!

[@birdiementlegen226]

You know when the official channel spouts ludicrous when a fan understands the show and characters better and debunks them.

[@coolman229]

They privated the video, no doubt due to how much backlash they got for such a stupid take. You have to be as bad faith and dishonest as possible to lie and claim that Iroh was evil. Even at his worst he was nowhere near as bad as people like Ozai or Azulon but he still felt incredible guilt for his past.

[@OhOh996]

The video calls out Iroh for joining in the Fire Nation’s campaign as a soldier, yet they ramble him out for abandoning his position in the Siege he was leading at the time. I mean, they’re even making up inconsistencies in their arguments.

[@sheldon-cooper]

Have the people saying he's a villain ever actually watched the show

[@saianmalsetty2145]

There’s literally no way Iroh could be considered a villain.

[@Zac_Frost]

Even when he was a general, he was still kind and compassionate to his men, and enemies, surmising, "If Ba Sing Se is anywhere near as beautiful as it's wall, then the city must be something to behold." And the reasoning he gave for pulling back was one of compassion as well. "My men were tired, and I was tired." He knew he couldn't win, so he pulled back and saved as many lives on both sides as he could.

[@mariotorresalfaro2974]

You also missed the fact about Hama being indirectly the reason of why the guy from the Southern Raiders decided to murder Katara's and Sokka's mother, as she escaped using bloodbending, and thus probably terrifying the Fire Lord so much that he probably ordered the raid and subsequent murder. Iroh also did not interfere on the first Agni Kai on the show, only jumping into action to protect Zuko after he won and showed honor and compassion to a rival. Then assuming that Iroh wasn't changed because of the death of his son is insanely disappointing, specially coming from the Avatar channel. I always believed that the death of Lu Ten was at that moment the catalyst for the reformation of Iroh, and the reformation of Zuko and the Fire Nation; without his death, I think the series would've turned very different for both. It was a nice analysis, and I'm very happy you created this video...I always liked Iroh and considered him my favorite character, so thank you for correcting the misconceptions from this video; I never liked those nonsensical "unpopular opinions", and seeing you correct it with facts from the show and other media made me finally subscribe to your channel. Keep up the good work Morgan...

[@zephyrerazortail5478]

Wrong about Hama being indirectly responsible for Katara's mom dying. She learned Bloodbending AFTER she got captured. Meaning all of the Waterbenders of Southern Pole were either dead or captured by that point. It also took her quite a while to figure out Bloodbending. And then perfect it. It'll take a couple of months at least, since she can only do it on full moons.

[@ReilynnOkami]

@@zephyrerazortail5478 not necessarily. Hama was capured 60 years before the series start according to the episode she's in. And given that Katara is, I don't remember exactly, like around 14 or so when the show starts and lost her mom as a child. That would give Hama maybe 50 years to have been able to practise and escape with bloodbending and be a partial cause of the raid

[@godrules311]

@@ReilynnOkami Hama clearly wasn’t that old when she escaped. Her hair was still dark and her face unwrinkled. However, she may still have been inadvertently responsible for Kya’s death. The Fire Lord may have changed the policy from imprisonment to death after Hama’s escape, but there wasn’t another Southern water bender until Katara.

[@gailasprey7787]

I think Iroh would’ve turned out the kind old man he was either way. Seeing the destruction the fire nation caused on others he would’ve came to the conclusion that this was wrong whatever the weather. He was a good man down to the bone.

[@seth9655]

It seems some of the people from the official Avatar KZbin channel didn't pay too much attention to the series. Okay, Iroh didn't start out as a hero at the beginning of Book 1. Even if he was "antagonistic" towards Team Avatar at the beginning, it was all for Zuko. But at the end of Book 1, he showed sign of being a possible ally in the future.

[@styx15]

@@lilunette9319 yeah, the only team he directly attacked the Gaang was when they trashed Zukos ship in the second episode

[@apleb7605]

To be fair, I can get that Iroh was “evil” before his son died. He did mention in his letter giving the knife to young Zuko that he would burn Ba Sing Se to the ground. But Iroh in the show? Hell nah.

[@typo1345]

he was making a joke when he said that. He was saying that "I hope you all get to see Ba Sing Se one day, that is, if we don't burn it to the ground first." He even showed appreciation for the city, even surmising that "if Ba Sing Se is as beautiful as its wall, it must be something to behold" which is something all good generals do. To have respect and admiration for your opponent is a noble thing. I highly doubt Iroh wanted to burn the city down, especially considering he said he hoped the royal family could see it one day

[@levievil9220]

@@typo1345 plus he did get to run his tea shop there so his dreams come to just not fully as he expected back then

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Iroh dosen't seem like the type that slaughters civilians or soilders who surrender. I mean younger Iroh probably had no problem killing attacking soilders. But I'm sure he spared those who surrender.

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@TheMrPeteChannel I take it he'd have everyone he could, spared. if it takes ten of his men's lives to capture one soldier, for the sake of his own men's lives he wouldn't spare theirs, but if it weren't too difficult he would

[@haydenccc3159]

You're darn right about the title of your video! Uncle Iroh Forever! 🙅

[@Krishpy142]

Im surprised he didnt say Aang was a villain for freezing in a block of ice 🤦🏽‍♀️ LITERALLY WHAT IS THIS LOGIC

[@hollycarpenter9126]

Their video is definitely wrong. Good for you to rebuttal them, MovieFlame. Iroh is one of the goat of fictional characters imo.

[@HarleyDiAngelo]

About the Raid on the Southern Tribe, which was because they were looking for Hama aka the Southern Water Tribe blood bender that escaped Fire Nation prison. That could have been the source.

[@geviesanta3631]

I don't understand how that official channel would twist these words about Iroh and his true character as a whole. Seriously, even I know Iroh's character better than the very channel that touches upon ATLA. I was like OML can they just stop painting Iroh in an awful way. This is just very stupid on their part to think that Iroh has done something bad throughout ATLA series, but really he does the exact opposite of what they say about him as a character.

[@DTux5249]

Did you comment on the original video?

[@geviesanta3631]

@@DTux5249 I never saw the original video

[@ProfessorPrel]

@@geviesanta3631 If you did, you would know it was satircal

[@geviesanta3631]

@ProfessorPrel Maybe I would, but not in the good way though

[@ProfessorPrel]

@@geviesanta3631 Well, you wrote a whole paragraph about how stupid the ATLA channel was, not realising you were actually the fool for falling for it

[@Poke-ladd]

I always felt confused how did the white lotus recruit Iroh or was he a member in his youth and given the times how did they trust him

[@Blackinght11]

He became enrolled during his "spiritual journey" after Lu Ten died.

[@Zeniwutang]

@@Blackinght11 yeah but what was the reason he got enrolled?

[@SuperMrCRAZYMAN]

Their are people who changed for the better when they have taste of seeing the real world.

[@forestgrump4723]

@@Zeniwutang I mean he’s a pretty high ranking fire nation person. In line to be fire lord. I could see the white lotus actively recruiting him in an effort to get someone in charge of the fire nation with a more balanced world perspective. Someone who might end the war.

[@sonicroze]

Since it's the official channel I can only say that their motive is character assassination because they don't want people to like Iroh, or for shock and click bait value. I also wonder if these people even liked it. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw Korrah and decided that the sequel series HAD to be better than the original, which is not really the case.

[@YEY0806]

I agree that that channel didn't do a great job, however I agree that iroh is not a good person and that he still needed further development and I dislike how the show completely romantices Iroh, despite being both a hypocrite and unaccountable

[@zeek5183]

So we got an avatar version of that harry potter video from the take Explaining why Harry or in this case Iroh is a bad guy. I loved that video so I’m guessing this is good too

[@paradoxical998]

The funny thing is that they are being called out IN THEIR OWN COMMENT SECTION.🤣 90-95% of the comments are pointing out how wrong their facts are, how they're misrepresenting the fan base and that they are obviously doing it for the views.

[@T1NF01L]

Iroh was neutral. He always saw the best of anyone and always saw the worst. Iroh was a true masterpiece to this series.

[@mystictimewarp9831]

The way iroh cared for zuko like a son proves he's not a villan because zucko is a very loving kind person at his core just like his uncle iroh

[@SmolRageMatti]

This hurt to watch only because of the clips from the other channel reaching so much to slander Iroh. Like he's a complex character. Who woulda thought.

[@LightingbladeShen]

Only thing 'wrong' Iroh ever did, was attack Ba Sing Se

[@Bahr-im7pn]

This gives me strong vibes of the response you made about that video from The Take claiming that Harry Potter was an anti-hero. The official Avatar channel probably won't take down their video, but it would be cool if this video could get more views than the Avatar channel's video. I know you can more than 55K views, so let's make it happen.

[@dreademperor2094]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Bahr-im7pn]

Well, look at that: they made the video private. Not only did you get more views than them, but once again, you've silenced an idiot who tried to slander a very pure hero.

[@dreademperor2094]

@@Bahr-im7pn just like the Harry Potter one

[@Bahr-im7pn]

@@dreademperor2094 Exactly!

[@dreademperor2094]

@@Bahr-im7pn well it was bound to happen

[@AntiDarkus]

You’re absolutely right and they called themselves avatar fans but he’s basically are trying to ruined iroh

[@SaintSavageProd]

I just tried to watch video and it’s been privated 😂

[@Dr_Mid]

The 3 dislikes on this video are just the 3 people who worked on the "IROH IS EVIL!!!!!!" video.

[@TheMutantCreeper]

Holy moly this guy has the amount of common sense of a 14 year old Twitter user. I can’t believe Nickelodeon said this was okay.

[@coachgoltzbizpro23]

Please tell me they made that video private, just like with The Take and their video on Harry Potter... I was able to relearn quite a bit from this video, as I was mistaken in my belief that Iroh losing his son at Ba Sing Se is what made him a better person, as I didn't have much else on him pre-siege aside from protecting the dragons. Adding those smaller details about his thoughts on Young Ozai was a great idea.

[@carlinrackley8547]

I cannot believe they said all of those false things about Iroh, he's my favorite character and I'm glad you're here to set the record straight.

[@u140550]

Maybe you can say from a objective standpoint, he was when he was a war general; but after his son died I think he seriously changed. Although I’d like to hope he would’ve been a fair ruler, if he conquered the earth kingdom; than ozai would be. Other than that, how can you say that with a straight face? Also on a side note he was fighting for his nation/country under the Order of his father.

[@orrinscott-stewart3641]

Also Iroh didn't interfere with an Agni Kai, Zuko won the Agni Kai and Zhou attacked him after the duel was over. That's when Iroh stepped in he didn't interfere with the actual duel.

[@samuelwhitmill161]

Even if Iroh did some bad things, clearly he is passed it now and wants good things to happen. A great example is when he is protecting the moon spirit in the season one finale. And if Iroh was a villain, he would be a completely different man.

[@megannealand7963]

I agree iroh is definitely NOT a villian, in fact I believe iroh had a bigger heart than most of his family ever did.

[@Boundwithflame23]

If we could go by D&D terms. I think Iroh started out as Lawful or Neutral Evil when he was younger and sieging Ba Sing Se and then by the time the series starts he’s True Neutral or at least heading in that direction

[@bessieburnet9816]

Borderlines true neutral and neutral good.

[@RoseQuartz692]

I Have never seen Iroh as a villian I have always seen him as thr sweet hood hearted caring uncle

[@chrissyxx21]

Exactly! The Uncle everyone wants and most deserve. Zuko was a very lucky person to have him as his uncle. Azula too but she thought he was a fool.