Is 2024 Land Cruiser a Worse Value than Grenadier?

[@robbremault8145]

Thanks guys - so true given the cost of parts / labor of all the bells & whistles!!!! Our magic mushroom will be in our hands before Ho, Ho, Ho

[@Fedgery007]

The Grenadier doesn’t offer a “snorkel”. It’s a raised air intake.

[@Fedgery007]

I want one of these because they have none of the crazy technology. I want to keep my car for 20 years.

[@CJ-rk5eg]

I’ve test driven the IG off road and on road thanks to the closest dealer. Off road capabilities are world class with available three dif lockers. I saw one comparison video with the IG, LC 300, Nissan Patrol and LR Defender. There was some criticism of the IG’s traction control , but the test was done without lockers engaged. As a result of my test drives, the suspension is outstanding, both on and off road. As noted everywhere else, the recirculating ball steering takes some adjustment but becomes second nature. A couple minor niggles after my drives….the rear camera image is portrayed on only half the screen which is too small to be helpful . Also, would have liked a few more USB outlets front and back seats. Finally, the rear seat backs do not recline at all. That’s not good for long trips with passengers stuck in one position..even the airlines let you recline a little. All fixable but not in the first copies coming out. Great acceleration onto the freeways, handles freeway undulations and potholes super well, and is stable at 80 mph. Only question left is how will the financing work out best? If the IG falls through for me, I’m looking next at the LC 250 or Lexus GX 550.

[@BeowulfHagen]

I agree with you on everything. I'm hoping the backup image on the screen can be addressed with a software update. It should be much bigger. If they are worried about being able to see speed in reverse, it can be overlayed on the video feed. I tried backing into the dealer space for my test drive unit, and I was worried I'd hit something since I could not really tell what was happening in that tiny screen.

[@Land_Raver]

The tradeoffs with the Grenadier are minimal. It's payload is a little low but adequate. No compromise on offroad ability. No compromise on space. It comes built from the factory instead of having to "build" it. You'll dump 10 to 20 grand on other vehicles trying to get the same capability or spend the same amount as the sales price.

[@peopleschamp7258]

The transmission is ZF, the trandlsfer case Is Termec and the axels are Carraro which is a tractor axel manufacturer

[@nickjaynes]

After watching the Grenadier videos, they said it was an internally designed t-case

[@MrJoshAshcroft]

That's how Lamborghini started. Watch out for Carraro supercars. You heard it here first.

[@peopleschamp7258]

@nickjaynes they went with a internal design but tremec builds it.

[@MrSaeftchen]

I am driving a Grenadier for about half a year now. This car is absolutely insane. The offroad capabilities are nuts, the pracicability is great and Ineos just thought about so much stuff when constructing this vehicle. I f*ing love this thing! The steering out can easily be fixed by installing an aftermarket steering damper (about 200 Euros in Germany).

[@loum.4377]

From the video's I have watched, I will swap out the steering stabilazer to the Fox Custom Stabilazer for Grenadier. INEOS Grenadier Fox Steering Stabilizer by Agile Offroad $260.00 USD. Plug that in on youtube. AgleOffroad contacted Fox who do all the stuff for the Ford 150 Raptor. They designed this new stabilazer just for the lousy steering. It is very overbuilt with enormous pressure to swing that recirculating ball very close to center. From what I see this is a must have.

[@jamesnash2620]

Grenadier is a job. In the modern military the grenadier is the dude with the grenade launcher. It’s French for dude with grenades.

[@michaelwalsh7753]

3 months and 5k miles in my Grenadier. Absolutely love it, amount of attention it also gets is extremely surprising

[@CJ-rk5eg]

Tell us about its reliability problems if any!

[@CJ-rk5eg]

Please let us know about any reliability problems!

[@michaelwalsh7753]

Havent had any beyond one doir button that occasionally gets semi stuck. I tap it and it is ok but will look to get it checked out in a couple of months as too busy to do it now. Honestly love the car, even more now petrol is a bit cheaper haha

[@akendon7260]

Someone should tell INEOS to roll out two more Grenadier models, a compact 2-door and short wheel base for the current Grenadier.

[@mikefoster7085]

I've driven the 300 series Landcruiser (V6 twin turbo diesel ) and the Grenadier, in Australia you can option both with a raised air intake. The GX model 300 (called the Poverty Pack in AU) is the closest in trim and features. The drive isn't comparable between the two, the 300 is more car like and is close to 400kgs (880lbs) lighter with 700nm compared to the 550nm on the Grenadier. The ride in the Grenadier is superior IMO and it feels more planted and far more robust. Now....value? I can't spec a 300 with all the features of my speced Grenadier for the same $ possibly cost an additional $20K. If you like the old Defender, you'll love the Grenadier. One (LC) is a soccer mom's car the other is for off roading, the steering alone doesn't lend it to shopping mall driving.

[@jerryfrench2981]

You buy the 300 to modify it. My Sahara is twin locked, lifted, bullbars, winch, bash plates, recovery points, rock sliders, diff breather, snorkel etc etc. It's a very capable vehicle.

[@ln5747]

The 300 isn't a soccer mum's car 😂

[@mikefoster7085]

@@ln5747 comparatively it is, plenty of them at sport on a Saturday 😆

[@ln5747]

@@mikefoster7085 you insinuated that the 300 wasn't for the same job (off roading etc) as the Grenadier. It is.

[@mikewho9964]

Landrover Defenders were standard production with 6 Cyl BMW petrol engines ( highly sought after ) in some parts of the world when BMW owned land rover ( ie Early X5 = Ranger rover )

[@themaker959]

If Spirit Halloween were to make "overlander" costumes.... These dudes would be it...

[@guentherwilke2055]

The Wrangler and Bronco don't fully compare to the Grenadier, because they run out of GVWR so quickly. As for the J250 Landcruiser? Do we have numbers for interior volume and payload yet? Toyota is supposed to do a similar thing where you can get (at least) dealer installed bumpers, racks, suspensions, etc.

[@nickjaynes]

Yes, Toyota is working on dealer installed gear. But that’s still more money. The grenadier comes with most that stuff standard

[@arkos55]

I guess mpg doesn’t matter to this crowd, but the LC is such an efficient truck that it’s hard justify going with the Ineos when it’s such a pig unless you really, really need its off road capabilitie.

[@hypebowl7715]

Transfer case = Tremec // test drove one yesterday, definitely needed to get a little used to the steering, it was noticeable but you just gotta be prepared for it. Great points all around though. Stumbled upon your channel and was pleasantly surprised as a fellow PDXer. Spec’d mine at the dealer yesterday got everything except the safari windows and winch. Debating adding the windows but got the full rack and gonna have an RTT. Might regret it if I don’t but still mulling it over.

[@willito1211]

When are these coming back?!?!?

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

I'm interested but it has some issues. The first question is what is the actual Canadian GVWR? The curb weight on the Grenadier is the same as my fully loaded wet weight on my modified F-150 V8 lifted on 35's, w/ a winch, a full AT Habitat camper, fridge, toilet, dual battery system, 15 G of water, food, clothes, gear, tools and more. The second issue is Canadian vehicles have American tariffs on them, they should be coming direct from France to Canada because Canada has free trade with Europe. It would also get rid of 1 currency exchange fee.

[@DM-zi3cs]

Hi guys, I have had my Grenadier 6 months, the transfer is Trimec , it's stiff at first but once you get some miles driven it eases up. I was worried at first but no issues after a couple of thousand miles.

[@CJ-rk5eg]

Please let us know about any reliability problems!

[@DM-zi3cs]

@@CJ-rk5eg So far so good, mechanically no issues . The wading mode does not engage but I understand this will be corrected in a future software update. I have the petrol which drives well but isn't going to get any awards for efficiency.

[@jerryfrench2981]

I take it you don't get the GR sport 300 series over there..

[@GregoryStoner]

it is a Tremec two-speed transfer case.

[@marco_loewert]

That math is only working if you do not modify the grenadier. And did you try to fold the rear bench ? there is a step in trunk.

[@mikewho9964]

Grenadier is a really good vehicle and the ride quality is good but its a mistake to believe it has very little electronics ( that's the marketing hype ) - Is it the new Defender ? - i think so but better in many ways - but the jury is definitely out on how intrusive all that electronics are in real world conditions ( 2x Defender 300TDI's 1x Grenadier )

[@CJ-rk5eg]

National auto regulators are driving the amount of electronics in vehicles today.

[@mikewho9964]

@@CJ-rk5eg I agree and its a great pity - imagine an aircraft designed by a committee

[@ferkdizzle]

What ever happened to Big League Chew?

[@DifferentialComms]

Watch episode 3 to find out!