Is 2Pac Really The G.O.A.T? | LoveHate | All Def Music

[@MrKing8050]

"Pac wasn't consistent with his music" I immediately had a fit 😠😠😠

[@liamdunn736]

I don't know anyone still bumping "Strictly 4 my niggas" most of Pac fans barely listens to that album. Face the truth inconsistent... pac still a god tho for "me against the world" top3 best albums of all time.

[@phar0ahad3]

its real shit his albums was filled with filler whats his best album ? tell em song by song whats great about each song...

[@vituxarcade]

he wasnt

[@vituxarcade]

however he is still one of the greatest artists of all time, especially because of his influence on the culture as a whole.. All eyes on me is his best album ever though.. and I personally loved R U still down but the other albums had great songs here and there but weren't great as an overall album..

[@boatedboat9191]

Liam Dunn i got that album n all his other ones downloaded they all fire top to bottom

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

RAPPING IS NOT JUST “LYRICISM” LOL. People don’t understand that it’s more than letters and words and syllables. It’s an art. So much goes into what makes someone a great rapper. Flow, inflection, energy, vocals, articulation etc etc. STOP diluting the argument

[@bp8300]

Thank U for this.

[@Phokyocouch]

Sounds like your talking about PAC

[@thuginicantplaya9990]

Nah, he's talking about the nerds who try to DQ Pac from the convo

[@phar0ahad3]

But lyricism is important....you people need to stop sucking pac....

[@tauriqlionel5342]

Y'all really don't give Ice Cube the credit he deserves. He literally paved the way for young cats to tell they stories, like 2pac; like Kendrick. He told the stories before anybody else did. Ice Cube IS the Greatest Gangsta Rapper of All Time.

[@DineroRothstein]

Shorty got a N.Y. hat on that tells you all you need to know about her opinion

[@TOKEREAPER454]

Isaac Shmood lol

[@paceyombex]

Underrated

[@killemall923]

Facts

[@coldcut4751]

Isaac Shmood Lol facts

[@dandreclay8821]

@NicKingPapiChulo 2Pac own words "I'm east coast born but west coast raised"

[@makaveli7dayz172]

Pac wasn't consistent with his music? 😂 I swear I wish people would stop judging his music based on his main stream songs, pac has unreleased songs better than what he had on his albums.

[@itsjust1028]

you right but still old I rather listen to something new

[@makaveli7dayz172]

RAVIX There's new school rappers that I do like but most of them are underground and they have talent unlike these mumble rappers that have no talent at all.

[@nickiwoa7948]

Makaveli 7Dayz Lil Pump, Smokepurpp, Travis Scott actually do have talent but not lyrically. They have the talent to carry their vibe and aesthetic to every beat, production skills, etc. They're in a complete different sub-genre, and cannot be compared in hip hop. I would think grunge and punk music is more related than gangsta rap to trap music. It isn't at all about impact of words, It's about the vibe, flow, banger level, and the instrumental production in the actual song itself. Travis Scott doesn't pride himself on his lyrics about popping pills, but he prides his music in his incredible production and arrangement of sounds and his blend of heavy metal, trap, rock, funk, etc. You can't disregard an entire generation of new music because they mumble. Look deeper bro, it's actually possible to find actual good "mumble rap".

[@makaveli7dayz172]

Nick Iwoa People like u are the reason why mumble rap is popular, those mumble rappers u named have the same style, same flow, same beats, they don't use Any type of smooth wordplay, metaphors, delivery, storytelling, subject matter, substance, multisyllabic rhymes, rhyme schemes and alliteration, what happened to the days when mc's would battle each other on tha mic to determine who's the beat mc? The reason why that stuff does not happen anymore its because of brainwashed niggaz rather listen to mumble rap over lyrical rap this is a sad generation we live in, mumble rappers don't care about the art of rap and they don't respect it and they also don't respect old school rappers that came before them, I hate mumble rap with a passion I wish it just die but that may not happen it's because how fucked up this generation is, let me ask u something, 5 or 10 years from now are u still going to be listening that wack shit? #Fuck Mumble rap.

[@nickiwoa7948]

Makaveli 7Dayz you actually don't know that all mumble rap is the same, you're just saying that because you're lazy to find new music and you're annoyingly pretentious

[@greendro6410]

Is it just me or girl in the love side looks like a female version of XXXTentacion just saying rip X tho

[@jialian93]

nah i was thinking the same thing. its the eyes i think

[@josephmunyaneza5889]

Bruh I was literally thinking the same thing😂

[@EArabz]

Ikr I was thinking that

[@thesportsfanatic2106]

Mohammad Islam she really does😂😂

[@djsaulala6100]

Mohammad Islam that's wat I was gonna say

[@Ausernameorsomethinglikethat]

Pac is the GOAT , argument ended when she said his music is inconsistent😂😂😂

[@Kate-kk26]

totally agree

[@donyasserdon]

She flopped when one of her first points was that rappers need to have lyricism, content, consistency, social awareness etc. If pac didn’t embody all of that she’s missing a screw in her head

[@Okieant]

Pac's lyricism was not that good.

[@bestevery3891]

Elvis Maduro that’s true and some people don’t get that.

[@wcp4jc]

his lyricism wasn't the best, I don't think anyone is arguing that point, but to say his lyricism was that good isn't true in my opinion.

[@Okieant]

To each his own. His lyrics weren't trash but they're heavily overrated which means they weren't that good.

[@wcp4jc]

overrated? by who? the lady in this video even admitted his lyrics weren't the best. I have never heard one person ever say his lyrics were the best.

[@mysterysolver66]

And if she knew Pac, she’d know that his definition of being a Thug meant “coming from the gutter” and THUG LIFE meant something entirely different then what she’s talking about in this video with shooters, etc.

[@priz15]

javari lacet The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everybody, =THUG LIFE

[@mysterysolver66]

Ali Chaudry I neva argued over him being a role model because even role models do dumb things. Nobody, including Pac, is God. And if he was acting, then what was Dre and Snoop and etc. all the other gangster rappers. Pac did many stupid things, went to prison, began evolving and sadly died. He was no God, he was no role model, he was Pac and deserves his respect. He was a Thug. The. Hate. You. Give. Little. Infants. Fucks. Everybody. That was real and so was he.

[@mysterysolver66]

Ali Chaudry Thx💯I understand Ur point too

[@StraightOffTheBank]

Pac was the best hands down! You could be the best at what you do but no matter how good you are someone out there will still see you as not being good enough. With that being said RIP 2PAC!

[@Ana-brwn]

" is tupac the g.o.a.t" . Nah he was a legend, a revolutionary, a man with a voice who was not just ahead of his time, y'all was just behind. And it seems like over 20 years later, y'all are still behind. How could you even question the place or label a legend is given? DISRESPECTFUL.

[@louismichael6843]

Tupac was beyond being just the G.O.A.T. in something.

[@Bludvlz33]

If the argument is quality over quantity let’s just remember PAC didn’t put out the posthumous records money hungry cash cows did. Yeah he made the music, but like Prince it was in the vault not released. Anything he actually put out while alive smokes 99% of anything out period. His charisma and delivery was second to none. When 2PAC spoke everyone listened. Hard for anyone to have a legit argument against 2pac being the goat. Rip Pac the world misses you!

[@ivanleal703]

Tupac might have not been the first person to do shit such as being an actor or poet or the stories that he was telling, but he was the one that elevated all his craft to the next level in inspiring people to follow ina similar pattern in his footsteps. As far as lyricism goes Lyricism it’s a never ending battle because at the end of the day it’s all subjective. It depends on what you went through and what u can identify with what the rapper is saying.However, lyricism maybe one of the most important things but it’s not the most important thing. The most important thing to be the GOAT is how if u changed culture, making people follow and be inspired by ur blue print, and how you changed music and the world forever. Tupac is the GOAT period.

[@MillytalkTV]

💯💯💯💯💯💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@smithswoodrookie]

I’m so tired of the disrespect Pac gets. His music is timeless. He made an enormous impact on an extremely short space of time. Pac was prolific, he gave us 3 great albums. Was the biggest rapper in the world before he died. Could pac win a rap battle vs the likes of Big, probably not. But even as someone who loves that gritty NY style, lyricism isn’t just about clever word play and metaphors. Pac’s delivery, the passion he emoted with the words in his music was extremely powerful. He was inconsistent with his message, but people need to remember he was a 25 year old kid who went through a ton of shit good & bad in his short life. Any real artist will have contractions and duality in their message and their lyrics because all people are walking contradictions, who experience a diverse range of emotions and perspectives during our lives. You could take PAC’s best 10 songs and put them up against absolutely anyone. He’s the goat to me. He doesn’t have to be the goat to you, but the disrespect he gets sometimes drives me nuts.

[@randominternetuser9450]

The black chick is definitely from NY and we know a lot of people from there still hate Pac after all these years lol

[@kamay7021]

bro name 5 tupac songs rn without using google and they cant be mainstream af

[@kamay7021]

better yet, what was his first albums name bro?

[@kamay7021]

i wish this was a live chat just so i can see you pretend you actually knew the answer lol

[@robertcarrasco4496]

So true there will always going to be hate on pac

[@nilhav]

NY does not hate Pac, Stop!!

[@willwright2099]

Tupac died in 1996. Here we are in 2018 and A new generation reflects Tupac vision of hip-hop. In order to understand why Tupac is the greatest hip hop artist, you had to live in that time. The ora around him had Presidents commenting on him from the White House. The Politician c Delores Tucker was going after Tupac. Trying to literally destroy him. It wasn't just about the music. His defiance to the end. He cast a shadow that is still being felt today.

[@milanthegoat1192]

Pac’s lyrics were so powerful

[@danebrown1098]

For the last 20 years Tupac is the only hip hop artist that majority of people around the world constantly turn to for inspiration...

[@yunuserbas403]

I live in France, and 2pac is so famous here, even though he isn’t here.. the other rappers that the black lady said, we dont know them back here.. I just want to say that like we love his music here, they touch us

[@salperez2669]

The girl on the left side lowkey looks like XXXTENTACION. Long Live X 🤧🖤

[@Diamiratrapbeats]

Ikr

[@jo.nariyah]

Man I thought i was the only one who peeped that😂😂

[@TiramoanaTaia]

I saw that and deadass was scrolling to see if anybody else noticed

[@turifast5065]

long live?

[@marioluvian4682]

What she got a problem with? Me against the world? All eyez on me? Makaveli? All that shit is pure gold.

[@silverback9885]

he had 5 albums all very successful even before his death some even platinum before his death and was the star of 7 movies all by the age of 25 he inspired millions of people all across the world, the best new era rappers all hold pac near if not the very top of thier list of favourite mcs, he had the rare ability of being able to relate to people and making them feel his struggle he could paint pictures so vivid it's almost as if your there he spoke as wise as a 70 year old man in a 25 year olds body he mentioned countless events back in the 90s that eventually ended up happening he predicted that at the rate things were going this being inthe mid 90s that eventually the music industry would be filled with senseless music about partying and sex and money this being during an era where it was all authentic and being original was a must, he predicted that the world wasnt ready for a black president and in an interview eventually it would come he was not only a revolutionary a rapper a poet an actor he was also a prophet he was more than just a rapper so calling him overrated is naive pac is the goat for more reasons than just being a great rapper

[@muggerb8852]

Cube - best lyrics Biggie - swag and flow Tupac - most impactful

[@NAMSOist]

Lmao I hope u troll

[@tonimclean1299]

They all Geminis tho....#geminisrepresent✊

[@steve7131]

Nas and Em got best lyrics

[@sheltonmiles9748]

Tupac was the first to drop a double album, Tupac was the first to drop two number 1's album in the same year. Tupac. The first to have a number 1 album while in prison. The only rapper outside of Eminem to have six of his eleven album's in the the top 100, four in the top 50, 3 in the top 25 and two in the top 10. And the two album's that is in the top ten went diamond meaning they reach 10,000,000 copies each. And the only rapper to have a album to sell more unit outside of the United States.

[@bp8300]

Pac is one of the best ever. I think that people just jealousy, that he was more done and represented in hip hop than anyone else. Besides, Pac was one of the best lyricist ever. I don't understand how they all come that he does not belong with. Again. I believe that Pac is now always the most beloved, overrated and now in this time also the biggest hater of all time is....Because he was more than a Rapper. Sorry For My English🙏🏾

[@zeon_cipher5799]

you are brainwash no is jealous of pac. and he was not even the top 10 lyricist. But he is top 5 RAPPER not MC big difference.

[@steezyyeezy6936]

Bruno Aka Bap Pedro aka Monky He hasn’t done more for hip hop than Kanye West.

[@visionofgod4115]

Pac said himself his music sent the wrong message

[@dabnation6776]

Delete this so disrespectful

[@fbi4072]

Imma delete you

[@blaxgoth812]

This is real

[@crews-lj3ph]

FBI I reporting u clown

[@Kinobambino]

@@fbi4072 oh fuk

[@ricardomarques5639]

This is stupid, it's like debating is the beatles one of the greatest band of all time or is jimi hendrix one of the greatest guitarists of all time. of course tupac is one of the GOAT, this shouldn't be a debate, his influence on hip hop culture is huge.

[@Nickstaman]

Ricardo Marques For Real

[@anuhassan5596]

The debate is whether he is THE GOAT not one of the GOATS

[@wesleydillard9765]

I disagree with both of those examples too so yeah, it's a valid conversation

[@anthonyrustrian6023]

A lot of rappers had a huge influence on hip hop culture. You can't say tupac is the goat just because he had a huge impact when so many other rappers had just as a huge impact as well

[@a5a346]

Ricardo Marques By your logic, Ice T is the GOAT because he started gangsta rap

[@loading.boombah2244]

There was a old video Tupac walking out of court and in his own words "i am a thug i come from the gutter and im still here" thats the definition of Thug. The definition in the dictionary is a criminal Tupac was one but a good thug he impacted me and a lot of people so Tupac is a GOAT IN MY EYES

[@sharkyh7327]

KING boombah Exactly but this shit unfortunately flies straight over 95% of peoples heads

[@cd2ogz1]

facts

[@vanntouch874]

The fact that the girl said Tupac wasn't consistent with his music? GIRL. Tupac died at 25. He was still a young man going through a rough upbringing and had to deal with the politics of the music industry. How she gonna downplay records like Brenda' s Got a Baby, Changes, Dear Mama, Life Goes on. THOSE ARE HUGE songs that raises social awareness and the dichotomy in our society between the rich and the poor. That girl on the right straight up giving me a headache by saying his lyricism wasn't strong. It was one of the strongest. She said nobody talks about Tupacs music like Big Pun's music that right there was enough for me to be like this girl don't know what she's talking about.

[@alaza61]

Changes would've been UNRELEASED had he not died, and that beat was not in the original mix. Just thought I'd mention that because that song is always being used as an example of Pac's message songs, but if Pac had stayed living, it wouldn't even be out.

[@jerrygraves6531]

True

[@coldcut4751]

wm young The fact it wouldnt have been released makes it better

[@alaza61]

My point is that when people claim that 2pac wasn't always politically conscious, which is partially accurate, the song "Changes" is used as an example to contest that claim. I'm saying if 2pac had a consistently political agenda, that song would've probably been released if he could help it, but I don't think it complimented the direction he was trying to go in as an artist at the time it was recorded.

[@AGuyNamedJeff]

Only people who eat hot cheetos at 637 in the morning agrees with the chick who hated on Pac

[@Mrsmith0419]

Jeff T 😂😂😂😂 straight up

[@CaliBred92]

Jeff T that doesn’t even make sense

[@buffsamuraifred6037]

2pac is wack

[@1_zzq]

@@buffsamuraifred6037 llol

[@elisabeth5087]

Fr😂

[@MoneyMakinMichh]

Pac is so much more than hip hop.

[@HMIGOSSIP]

i agree, that dude became a symbol

[@ghostofdeath663]

@@HMIGOSSIP by dying R.I.P anyways

[@1_zzq]

@@ghostofdeath663 lol true

[@blairjackson9318]

Does that make him the goat?

[@MoneyMakinMichh]

@@blairjackson9318 yes

[@myleshearne9026]

Yes Tupac is a goat tf no debate

[@oraoraoramudamudamuda8259]

No

[@lawrencefisherward3]

Biggie is.

[@user-mr1zy4nu7l]

Nas for me

[@woo_shynen8805]

Andre is the goat

[@NAMSOist]

Nas is goat PAC maybe top 15/20

[@MrAkhalif]

“Pac wasn’t a thug...” are y’all hearing this wtf is she talking about, that’s enough internet for today. Only the real individuals that listen to Tupac’s content know who the man really was.

[@wooskionehundred1788]

This is the exact reason why New York lost its throne in hip hop. Rap is much deeper than lyricst. Ppl have a more spiritual connection with Pac, even cultural.

[@moe-cy3xp]

This women whole argument is flawed. Did she really say Pac was all quantity not quality I mean then what was me against the world, AEOM, and Makaveli, and she lying when she said peopl talk about Big L music more then Pacs that’s just amateur ignorance

[@AREA61TMO]

Did this chick really say Gucci Mane and French Montana make great music while speaking on PAC and then turn around and talk about lyricism! Smh. And also have the nerve to say didn't tell great stories?! I have to go with the Spanish lady on this. And tbh I grew up in that era and no one from the newer generation talks about Big L! But they do talk about Tupac! Clearly she's a bias New Yorker because she keeps bringing up mostly east coast rappers.

[@shawnstubbs9086]

I swear it's always New Yorkers that say stuff like this

[@robertl.pinkney9187]

The message was being push and Pac paid homage on countless songs to New York where he grew up like Old school and words of wisdom. However, he took a message that was local and national and made it global. Simple💯

[@kobesystemyourwelcome8817]

Fucking facts

[@justinreyna6306]

Why is it New York still feels the need to disrespect Tupac? Lol seriously she does know that Tupac was from New York right? 🤦‍♂️

[@boatedboat9191]

Justin Reyna nah bruh im from the bronx pac the goat east>west but pac still the goat

[@wcp4jc]

yea but you Latino, Lations mad biased, Latinos love Tupac and Eazy E because they showed mad love to Latinos.

[@Asvpsupreme]

Justin Reyna I’m from ny pac was the goat he was from Spanish Harlem and moved to bx

[@K71090]

asvpsupreme that’s why Pac did that accent in the movie juice? Just a thought that popped up.

[@OffTopicKamah]

Justin Reyna biggie was better

[@shadwhite1816]

Tupac is way better than big pun BIG FACTS!!!

[@darkservantofheaven]

When you got college courses where discuss your lyrics and poetry, I think you belong among the candidates for the goat Dont personally think he is the goat, but definitely a legend and a personal favorite

[@Kinobambino]

@@absurdturk smh you prolly have no idea what tupac spoke on in his songs cause you were raised middle classes as hell

[@Kinobambino]

@@absurdturk Agree to disagree. The man has hundreds of songs. In almost all of them their is a story of black struggle that rings clear as day to anyone going through the same hardships. Definitely enough to provoke thought and Definitely enough for a class course.

[@truegamermartinkenwa]

2pac wasn't the greatest MC of all time but the greatest RAPPER, people have to learn the difference

[@bestevery3891]

Sensual Cranjuice facts

[@football4you760]

Sensual Cranjuice good damn is it only you WHO know the diffrens cuz this people are dumb!!!

[@OffTopicKamah]

Sensual Cranjuice biggie was better

[@crews-lj3ph]

@@OffTopicKamah whatever dude 2pac is better

[@OffTopicKamah]

Michael c he’s not but ok.. 👌🏾

[@joc-3.0.5]

God gave Tupac an unique power catching rap voice that when he raps he raps from the soul... You felt his message.

[@THATBOYTHEWAVE]

The man made at least 6 albums with some consisting of more than 20 songs, starred in 7 movies and during this time he also spent over 18 months in jail, got shot 5 times and survived dropping the most savage diss ever, and all of this was within a 6 year period. Who tf can you say with your chest achieved all of that within 6 years?, the girl on the right is fuckin clueless lol. Pac is the 🐐

[@HOgG623]

Top 5 greatest 5. X-RAIDED 4. BIG DADDY KANE 3. BIGGIE 2.RAKIM THE GOD 1. TUPAC Hands down no one can top this list PAC will always be number one

[@FoundationalBlackAmerican]

Pac is bigger than Hip Hop he's one of the greatest people who ever lived.... If you don't believe the afformentioned ask yourself 1,000 year's from now who are people going to remember Pac or Kool G Rap???

[@ricardomarques5639]

Tupac was the embodiment of hip hop, he is the john lennon and bob marley of hip hop, people will still be talking about him for a long time

[@victoriaappiagei1482]

2pac bigger logic Jay z brother Ali slug drake nas j Cole Kendrick Lamar goat list Lauren hill common

[@dasmobster]

nah fam remove logic drake brother ali...you can't have a team of writers that are contributing to your verses so that excludes drake, bother Ali doesnt have the impact and logic doesnt really ring off to the core fans of hip hop maybe he's a goat to his fan base but to the rest of hiphop he's not really in the conversation imo

[@kamay7021]

are you saying popularity means quality? people in 1000 years gonna remember drake over let's say, mf doom. mf doom is better but drake is more popular, obviously but mf doom is the better MC.

[@amineaboutalib]

one of the greatest ppl who ever lived? R u okay in ur mind?

[@josemv25]

Don't even know why this is even a debate. He's easily the goat of rap. He transcends rap. He's in the mix with the greatest musicians of all time

[@liveanddieinchicagoliveand7074]

Quantity over Quality lmfao Pac hate just Don't stop smh Pac got classics Pac been dead 20 something years his music Don't sound outdated

[@vikkii5782]

First she says Tupac is not consistent then she says he rushed his music too much and bombarded us with music like make up your mind did you bombard us with too much music or did we not get enough

[@MrMakemusicmike]

Pac bombarded us with trash. Pac hot songs... Dear Mama I ain't mad at ya I get around Toss it up How do you want it Just think, all those songs are mostly on one album. That's not a legacy. He did more dirt in the streets than great music.

[@sergiogonzalez5726]

@@MrMakemusicmike 😑🤣🤣🤣 causal

[@dopessongs3635]

That's a stupid comment. Those songs were great. Not on the same album

[@KemicalKiddMUSIC]

0:40 Lyrically tupac wasnt bad but he can tell good stories and NO being "lyrical" does NOT just mean lyrical spiritual individual coming out your swimming pool. Tupac had so much content he talked about. Social issues Tupac 10/10 for sure. Discography, he had so much songs he never put out or put out he has crazy work ethic. Tupac is a good MC he had that high charisma that grabs peoples attention. "you have to be able to battle" Tupac will release a diss song to anyone he didn't like and NO "battling" isnt just a cypher thing. At the end she still said Tupac didnt embody all of that? LMAO crazy thing is Tupac also had other things like he was a good actor, raised by black panther mother, etc...

[@ruben21]

Makaveli a lyrical masterpiece too. She obviously not a big pac fan or heard a lot of his music.

[@vsam3861]

So because you're not one of the first you can't be the GOAT. You buggin b.

[@julioceliss6935]

Tupac took everything to the next level ...

[@tubo1639]

Social issues? Tupac had the courage to come out before other rappers and pour his heart into the community. GOAT.

[@jonathan.writes]

Theres two kinds of people who listen to Pac, Those who FEEL his lyrics and those who just simple listen to the song. He is the GOAT to those go FEEL his lyrics. The cadence in his voice, his ability to verbalize the emotional suffering incited by mental illness and poverty. The only other person that has became remotely close was Eminem. You see, Pac was ahead of time, the progressive rappers of the era were focused on social change, whereas Pac promoted self healing. He spoke of thoughts of depression and suicide in a time where those subjects were considered taboo and unmanly. Pac gave the gangsters the permission to suffer even if it was only for 3 minutes of a song. "Back in elementary, I thrived on misery Left me alone I grew up amongst a dyin' breed Inside my mind couldn't find a place to rest Until I got that Thug Life tatted on my chest" -So many tears-Tupac Thug life was the distraction from mental illness. "A place to spend my quiet nights, time to unwind So much pressure in this life of mine, I cry at times I once contemplated suicide, and woulda' tried but when I held that 9, all I could see was my momma's eyes No one knows my struggle, they only see the trouble Not knowin' it's hard to carry on when no one loves you Picture me inside the misery of poverty No man alive has ever witnessed struggles I survived Prayin' hard for better days, promise to hold on Me and my dawgs ain't have a choice but to roll on" Thugz Mansion

[@kelsyejordan]

I'm just ready for everyone in the comments to full on debate this☕

[@thotslayer7710]

five days later still no comments (excepte this one)

[@nilhav]

Kelsye Jordan debate what? You are love or hate?

[@nilhav]

I am not pro but con for 2pac being GOAT Mc. Come wit' it!

[@grinchoi1]

Pac is greater than my top 5 all time list. They are all rappers to me. Pac for me is one of the great leaders that changed the course of history. I look at him like I look at political, spiritual leaders that revolutionized their communities they were in. His music is a reminder and constant reflection of that...

[@alaza61]

That's going too far. How did he change the coarse of history? Nelson Mandela, Dr. King, Ghandi, Malcolm X, Harriet Tubman...but 2pac? How is that?

[@grinchoi1]

Influence. Just like when Malcolm X spoke he influenced the minds of a generation of people. The FBI/Cointelpro kept tabs on him for a reason. I also believe he was setup by government agents posing as gang members. Plus look where Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Malcolm X were at 2pacs age. The great people you mentioned obviously lived longer than him so their overall impact was probably greater but I believe his thoughts at that young age were far more advanced than many. Its not just him either. His lineage and the Black Panthers come from that same cloth that Malcolm X and other revolutionaries came from. Plus a lot of the things he did silently to help other people are now being brought to light by personal accounts and the media did nothing to cover any of that. He had an actual plan of action at such a young age to change society but it got cut short.

[@alaza61]

+Ali Chaudry None of that has anything to do with what I said. He doesn't have to be in anyone's top 5, and there are respectable opinions that justify that.

[@jerrygraves6531]

Jay Murthy yeah but you still are minimizing him by saying he isn't in your top 5.

[@alaza61]

I beg to differ man. He didn't live up to his lineage with the way he conducted himself.

[@yungban7850]

It’s Crazy How People Saying It’s not just about lyricism but all you hear is people complain about rappers now days and the lyrics but are the same people claiming it’s not all about lyrics

[@zeon_cipher5799]

right like pac is one of the GOATs but he is not THE GOAT meaning number #1

[@47times_official]

Pac had different lyrics he wasn't using word play and stuff his lyrics weren't random he was rapping real shit.

[@dasmobster]

as a fan of both big and pac i've found it funny that pac critics say he had so much work out there and it all didnt ring off but applaud biggie with such a short catalog this conversation was interesting but GOAT requires impact replay-ability lyrics hits....all thing both big and pac hit on and why they are considered #1 if anything i think big slightly is assisted by the pac beef when it comes to impact Pac was the biggest artist at the time Big was an up and comer and the beef put him right at the forefront leap frogging a bunch of other established artist

[@MrMakemusicmike]

Biggie made better music than pac, that's why. Biggie was airtight...pac was very questionable, he lied, he flip-flopped, he was a con artist. Pac pretended to respect hip hop, but he didn't.

[@michaelmyers457]

@@MrMakemusicmike why the Tf you so weird bro??? Who do you know would make hundreds of songs for hip hop if they didn't respect it???

[@MrMakemusicmike]

@@michaelmyers457 showing your age using words like "weird" LOL. Anyways, pac did not respect the game cuz he abused the game. He thought he could put out any old thing and because he was talking about the hood that it would be accepted. Pac dropped a lot of trash.

[@Mr.International82]

She just said just social issues?! About Pac?! Wow!

[@EpicReign]

Quantity over quality? PAC? You foul and way out of pocket. PAC is the 🐐 This lady on the hate side was definitely hating. I wonder if she was trolling for the content of the video.

[@HOgG623]

This debate was a good one the love is proving allot of points and the hate is not proving anything.. he changed because of his circumstances that were handed to him

[@morefifacollege8971]

Tupac is a legend his music will live on forever!!!

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

Perception is everything. Often people’s assessment of Pac comes from a marginalized perception of him within a constrained time frame. Pac was really only relevant (while alive) in the hip hop community for roughly 6 years (92-96). On that alone there are two ways to perceive this. Many give him high praise for the amount of impact and great music he put out in that short time span and mind you it was all while he was in his early 20’s. Others might dismiss him due to his lack of longevity, and “bonafide” classics, or highly touted lyricism (another argument in itself). Ultimately it’s what you wanna believe about him. Personally he’s the ARGUABLY the goat

[@hawiiansopphie7891]

Longetivity? 6 (really 8) years is a long time for a rapper in any era

[@marvinj1000]

She said Tupac told ok story did she listen to Brenda got a baby

[@turifast5065]

yes and its basically written

[@MrMakemusicmike]

Wack story, both yours and his.

[@NinteddyRose]

@@turifast5065 Lol no

[@jacobyyyokc]

she literally has a new york hat on her head. shows she’s biased right there

[@jonathandarby3135]

I'm a hip hop head I dont club or run the streets an I'm a man pac touched the world not like rappers touch peeps when their feeling good in the club ,he put us on survivor mode reconize!. Greatest of all time.that should be the end of discution...

[@afxx372]

Tbh I think biggie and cube were the better lyricists and had that flow but pac was the better rapper? Know what I’m sayin?

[@dabnation6776]

Dylan daniel antonio Galaz Oyarzun i personally think pac had a much better flow

[@victoriaappiagei1482]

biggie hip-hop real raw lyrical era goat

[@hawiiansopphie7891]

Cube and Tupac are in the same lane of lyricism. They weren't overly techincal all the time but they could rap and paint these pictures with their words

[@ggdagenie]

Dylan daniel antonio Galaz Oyarzun I don't like the way biggie set up Tupac and his first album was called ready to die that through me off but I respect him as a Man and Artist

[@paceyombex]

I think Biggie and Cube were better only in flow, and that was only by a slight. I mean Tupac was no slouch. And, yes, I feel you.

[@MustafaKhan-fz1go]

TUPAC IS THE KING! GREATEST OF ALL TIMES. 👑💜💛

[@robertvillanueva6474]

Everything came out of PACs mouth turned to gold everysong. Had a message

[@sifumansa209]

2pac is the Goat period. This black woman should be ashamed of herself tearing our legend down like that..

[@RellyR510]

2pac is the GOAT easily. His music and story still touches people till this day I listen to Pac almost daily his music is literally helping get through life no joke.

[@goodvibestv707]

How is even a question? LMAO PAC is the GOAT period #Facts💯💯💪

[@thesportsfanatic2106]

Hot JJ Dog BIG FACTS

[@_pineappleisland]

No hes "ONE" of the goats

[@goruy8568]

Pac is one of the best. but I disagree on how you think he is "The Goat", Tupac is amazing and he has changed many peoples lives and changed the way hip hop is back then but there are way more better rappers then Tupac, Like Nas, Eminem,Eazy-e, and I don't know if we are talking about back then but I feel like xxxtentacion should be on this list because his music changed the way people feel and what they feel about him because he changed so much and did alot for charity and I know I'm going off topic but I would like to hear your opinion on all this and the person who I really think is the goat is really. Eminem and my reason for that is because when he was just starting rap and getting popularity and everything and every song that I've heard of him is amazing or decent but thats just my opinion on who Is really the goat and if you don't like Eminem. I'm not going to get upset of triggered but I just wanted to share my opinion because I would love to hear what everyone has to say about this and who you really think is the goat and yet again. we all have our opinions and at the end of that day if you disagree I still love you. thank you and bye

[@DerrBeezy]

ESKETIT!!!

[@fredrickjohnson7711]

Facts

[@gamerlord6667]

There is no GOAT in hip hop, everyone has different opinions, debating who the greatest is, is pretty pointless, the debate would go on forever lol

[@marcusdarlin4264]

Gamerlord 666 FACT......but another fact is many rappers are far greater than pac

[@fettymode7701]

Marcus Darlin not true

[@notonlyalex9766]

W

[@TN-ju4ro]

The fact that theyre making a video about 2pac being the goat and literally every rappers today comparing themselves to tupac proves it

[@Justdale15]

Delete this

[@jayox5596]

Why did this comment make me laugh so hard? You ain't for this shit at all

[@Justdale15]

Jay Ox I forgot all about this lol, they disrespecting the fuck outta Pac and I ain't wit it

[@jayox5596]

You know some people just love feeling edgy with their unpopular opinions and shit. But, at the same time, a lot of us need to revisit our icons. A lot of people will talk about how so and so is their favorite but hadn't listened to anything in years. After watching this, people are guaranteed to play Pac within the next seven days. And they are gonna actually listen. And then they're going to think seriously about a lot of the other people they just title the greatest today.

[@Justdale15]

Jay Ox that's true

[@Rob-kp7fi]

@@Justdale15 i get being protective over pac but sayin delete this us just being a snowflake

[@layladarai9002]

pac is the goat regardless . 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@nino5073]

no he’s not 🤷‍♂️

[@blackqueen1205]

apathy yes he is

[@nino5073]

10k Flex i’m not white 🤦‍♂️, n i’m young but i only listen to old school music , rappers like Big Pun, Big L n Eminem were better than pac, but when it comes to the influence pac tops everyone no doubt

[@10kflex60]

apathy Yes now they are all legends, but in numbers, Pac did better shit even after he died he will still putting out platinum shit. You have an opinion and I respect that, but we could speak blindly all day saying who's better than who, disrespecting character, so on and so forth, but numbers are fact, Pac died for his people. I dare not to say he isn't a legend, I dare not question any of their status upon effect on rap. This shit heavy to me because I'm a black individual and society is fucked up, this man inspired the youth in his time period, you can't really say that about much rappers. I wouldn't be surprised if muthafuckas come and start saying shit about Michael Jackson. And I've also noticed, how come that if Pac wasn't a the best of his time, why must every rapper feel the need to be compared to or better than Pac when they are their own character. I'm sorry but i don't agree, no one can shake me off of my foundation

[@nino5073]

pac is a legend, im not disagreeing with that, he just isnt the greatest rapper of all time, n if we talking numbers just look at Jay Z and eminem

[@sanda5798]

Is it just me or did x come back as a chick?

[@teewizzle5494]

If 2pac was alive he would have done more than any rapper alive. 2pac hadn't done all of what he wanted to do because he was taken from us. In my opinion he is the goat he's made a big impact on me and I'm 16 i never really grew up to all of his songs but all of his lyrics are all true❤ R.I.P 2PAC

[@user-fb5ir3zz8l]

Tupac is the goat,no doubt

[@msg7830]

So many tears.. greatest story ever told

[@mladenvidic7905]

Pac was a great artist who had his lyrics on point at that time. Pac in his time threw out lyrics that smacked other mcs like annoying grouchy babies.

[@gojo9332]

Dont know what's happening to him... Listen to 2pac - ghost. Still listening to pac in 2018... RIP to pac n biggie. Dont matter west coast, east coast. rip to the LEGENDS!

[@mysterysolver66]

Pac had great lyrics and was a lyricist for his time. Today, rap had developed more and evolved, which is why she might say he was mediocre. But she is just downplaying Pac like crazy in this video. Nobody said anything about Pac being the first rapper who was in to acting or did poetry and anything like that. Frankly, who was the first or second or last doesn’t even matter. What was the point of even bringing that fact up. Tupac is indeed one of the greatest MC’s of all time, regardless and deserves his respect and title. Yes, there were rappers better than him, overall. But that doesn’t mean treat him like a non-factor because he’s talked about a lot. Because people says he’s a GOAT. They claim he’s “overrated” for a reason. Lol. He did have the biggest impact and everyone knows who he is because of it.

[@jerzyjesssa2119]

To the young black lady, doesn’t matter what you say . Tupac is the GREATEST or you wouldn’t be talking about him.

[@barbiebee5734]

This whole debate or whatever made me wanna slap the girl with the hat on. Like shawty where they find u at

[@ericmorreo1614]

In the trash

[@RudolphManor]

2pac is the greatest of all time and he was an old soul. 💯

[@CaliBred92]

Tupac is the greatest of all time. Point. blank. period. He’s been talked about till this day. 2019. 🐐

[@Mandingo391]

Ol girl in the NY hat that alone should tell you everything you need to know about her thought process. She is not even qualified to debate the goat 2pac. NY cats still hurting til this day Makaveli the Don (GOAT)! What 2Pac had to say was the most relevant over any other artist. -Sad part about it is she’s a sista.

[@chrisgutierrez6394]

Why does “Hate” girl try to make the point that Tupac wasn’t the first to be real and be a influential preacher/rapper but that’s not the point to talk about.

[@wais_45]

Exactly lol she kept saying he "wasn't the first" to do this or that, yet no ones arguing that lol

[@kobesystemyourwelcome8817]

Bruh she sound stupid yea cube probably did what he did but pac did it better pac actually was really bout changing shit in the world and talk about the cops killing us as blacks the dude is more than some damn lyrics uggghhhhhhh bih

[@MrDeathtower]

To be really be the GOAT you need above all else the hearts and minds of the people. Pac brought in his songs the passion and drive of the youth at it's most primal but could lace within that framework the insight and wisdom of those that preceded him that caught the hearts and minds of the young and old. If it weren't for his untimely demise you could 100% believe he'd be moving the culture in a net positive way. Showing the way for generations to come is what really makes you the GOAT

[@Jmaxx007]

PAC is one of the greatest I just feel they picked the wrong person to back him. She was really repetitive and wasn’t bringing points as to the other girl. But pac is on my hip hop Mount Rushmore

[@semird615]

As someone who was born the year Pac died on the other side of the globe,I found out about Him years after the fact. We have to take into consideration how much material this man left behind in the 4 years he’s been active. And it’s not some half assed shit,there is no wack Pac verse.

[@Ragnar1359]

why tupac is the GOAT? say me 1 rapper who can die in 1996 and be still so much speaking about i mean he die when it was not internet and we see everyday new video and so much people still talking about him would jay z be so big if he would die in 96? i don't think so

[@andythierry5402]

Marek Gazi Biggie...the whole show luke cage even talks about him. You hear 2pac more because it’s become a trend to say he’s the goat but people still talk a lot about biggie today. And to me saying 2pac is the goat is irrelevant because that means you don’t make the difference between west coast and east coast which was HUUGE because 2pac was the head of West coast and Biggie of east and i find it a huge disrespect to biggie’s memory what you are saying but also saying that 2pac is the goat. Biggie was as good as pac i’m sorry but if that wasn’t the case there would never have been a rivality in the first place. Also Nas is known by everyone who’s got a little culture about hip hop is still loved and prayed because this dude was a genius so your comment is irrelevant.

[@WarAgeTV]

He is not dead and Osama did not cause 911... Open your eyes

[@andythierry5402]

War Age TV Osama did not cause 911 yeah...there are evidence but Pac still alive? Nah y’all trippin, Michael Jackson is too? They all sippin cocktails on a lot beach? Lmfao

[@lordfrito420]

Andy Thierry Andy Thierry actually you didn’t render his comment irrelevant for one reason .. why are there statues of pac all over the world ? College courses at Ivy League schools dedicated to him ? Why is he talked about more than big when both talked about death and dying all the time ? ( Incase you try to say it’s cuz he predicted his death is why the buzz is still going ) . And yeah you provided info as to why others should be contenders for a similar level of clout but the fact is nobody save for maybe Eminem / 50 when he first hit has come close to that level of icon status and impact , I don’t think pac is the greatest lyricist nor the greatest story teller nor role model but the man had better emotional conveyance through his music than any other rapper to ever touch a mic is why we talk about pac . What he wanted you to feel you fuckin felt it . Love big and he’s the better lyricist and story teller out of the two but he didn’t have the same ability to make you feel what he was feeling every time ( suicidal thoughts was dope and deep af tho ) ... anyway I’ll stfu and stop rambling but bottom line comparing pac to big ,eminem ,rakim , pun , big l or any lyricist is like comparing a seasoned preacher who’s been through some shit to the kid who wrote the best poem in poetry club ... two different end goals entirely .. pac never wanted to be known for lyricism .. in his own words “ every time I speak I want the truth to come out I want to shiver “ aka hair on the back of the neck standing up straight slugs to the soul type of shit .... not saying anything you said was wrong entirely but his statement was not irrelevant ... feel free to respond .. I got no job and listen to rap exclusively we can get in depth as a colonascopy If you wish .

[@erik666111]

Andy Thierry Nobody knows Biggie outside NY lol … Biggie is not half as popular as 2Pac is

[@Al-Sahem-Al-Ghul]

She called herself a hip hop head, but then said Pac wasn't consistent and that he didn't check all the boxes of a great MC. Bruh...

[@isaiassemedo3658]

TUPAC WENT TRIPLE PLATINUM MULTIPLE TIMES HOW IS HE UNCONSISTENCE

[@TheGr8-1]

IN. IN -Consistent.

[@metyla7797]

i wanna know how pac wasn’t a lyricist even though he was a poet and if you listen to his songs with meaning, you can clearly see the emotion

[@TheSneakerDome]

Pac is top 5 based on influence and impact alone. He wasn't the most skilled or versatile etc. but he was genuine, energetic, confident, socially conscious, with a solid pen game. You combine all of his strengths and it's easy to see why his legacy goes on to this day, despite his shortcomings as an artist/rapper/MC.

[@ducatarina]

TOP One

[@original1341]

You can tell the young lady with the hat is influenced by her parents and she do not like Tupac. I personally think to call Tupac the GOAT is belittling, he's much larger.

[@Enlightenmentcircle]

It's Funny How The Black Woman Downing Tupac...

[@Jaetheeintrovert]

Fosta Assassin shes not downing him.. she is stating that hes ovveratted without being disrespectful 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

I think she's from NY.

[@davidfox1979]

timotheus nakashona probably....she's got the new York Yankees hat

[@playboirisky7054]

I mean, I like Biggie better, but Pac is the goat.

[@thesportsfanatic2106]

Jae Smith but he not tho

[@chiranjeevialla8411]

Died in quarter century ago ..n it's 2022.. still we talking about 2Pac ... What else do you need to be a GOAT!

[@jddhdjwhhddj1502]

Its funny how everyone say Pac wasnt GOAT because he wasnt lyrical but when Eminem released Revival what is most lyrical hip hop album ever,everyone called IT trash and still ended Up bumping mumble rap lol,hypocrites.

[@notonlyalex9766]

Revival was still ass lmao

[@notonlyalex9766]

I don't think we should compare a rapper who died with a rapper that is still alive because what if Eminem died after releasing the Eminem show? He would of been called the GOAT but because he's still alive he could of done some flops and That's what he did if 2pac was still alive he would of had chances to flop

[@reychat2297]

She does not not have the privilege to call Tupac "pac"