Is 4 Cores Still Enough?

[@YourLordMobius]

Linus: tries not to drop tech Tech: fine I'll do it myself

[@awesome8831]

Not funny

[@mandin3100]

Dude this made me laugh hahaha

[@RafaAelM]

Hello fellow Ace Combat fan

[@TMOCast]

God damn it man, use spoiler tags!

[@mba4677]

🤣🤣🤣 fcking GOLD dde

[@ritwikjp213]

Linus: “Fact of life, someone is always trying to sell you stuff “ Also Linus: “buy glasswire “

[@AAHAHHHHH]

he's self aware the other guy at 0:09 has LTT merch

[@envigraphy]

1:00

[@robert4you]

...but you don't have to buy ;-)

[@psycronizer]

@@robert4you yeah, and 99.9 percent of people don't, and it's those people that get pissed off with being bombarded with ads that are pointless, they are simply not in the market for "junk". For example, I'd NEVER ever fork out on a silly linus drink canister, that's the height of stupidity ! his purpose is for reviews etc , information, and his motivation to diversify revenue streams is borne out of getting so big, so many employees that he has to. But it's not his core reason for being, it's just superfluous junk for the vast majority of us, and trust me, when you get to my age , 51, it just pisses you off, because you KNOW you are never going to buy it, it's a pointless waste of your time, a bloody annoying one.

[@robert4you]

@@psycronizer _"....and trust me, when you get to my age , 51, it just pisses you off, because you KNOW you are never going to buy it, it's a pointless waste of your time..."_ Believe me, I trust you, and I know exactly what you are talking about. I am 52 by the way.

[@wilkins514]

Linus: These older components can still perform great for you. Market: Lets increase the price by 40%

[@Nemofishman]

Buyers: Wait for 6 months to force the companies to lower prices by 25-30%.

[@AlasdairGR]

@@Nemofishman This would maybe work if FOMO wasn’t a thing.

[@miweneia]

@@Nemofishman hahah you wish, this shit's been going on for over a year now, have fun "waiting 6 months" forever

[@mikeymaiku]

@@miweneia covid 19 all over again

[@wilkins514]

@@Nemofishman I paid MSRP for all my parts a few months ago because I took the time to go to microcenter. Believe it or not, this market won't change in 6 months. You either have to go to a store on a shipment date or fall for the scalpers market.

[@VaughanDavies]

As someone who has been using an i7-4770k since 2014, I can safely say I will upgrade, but I'm amazed at what my CPU can still do after all these years. [EDIT], It's been a year since I posted this, but I have finally reached the point where I need to upgrade. Act 3 of Baldur's Gate 3 runs at just 17fps for me. Sadly, my i7-4770k is starting to show its age. (I have a GTX 1080, BG3 is more CPU intensive than GPU)

[@Flow-Joe]

Same here. Ordered a new system this week, because it only can't handle modern minecraft anymore (very single core intensive), which i almost exclusively play nowadays. I'm gonna miss it. Best piece of hardware i ever bought.

[@coccoborg]

I'm even more amazed by my 11 yo i7 2600! It's so good to be able to glide through the shortages and enjoy gaming during this pandemic, I never thought a CPU+motherboard combo would last me this much! (Yes, I'm using a motherboard that's over 10 yo!)

[@PeterBadar]

@@coccoborg Me too.. With my i7-3770K (as 2nd owner) on Z77 chipset since 2015. Still surprising me as like it supports PCI-e 3.0 or fully SSE support or it also has Intel HD4000 supports Shader model 5.0+ (for example, shader model 5.0 and up supports Geforce 400 series and HD Radeon 5000 series and newer).

[@Quisspo]

Same here, it really was a golden age for processor power back then. Now I finally ordered an i7-12700F after 8 years of still decent performance on the 4770

[@cherrymarshmallow]

Same I got a 4790 I've been using for the last forever, with a 1650s I got 3 years ago. And yet it still runs almost every game I throw at it.

[@realitytechnology]

I'm a huge advocate of budget builds and money saving when things aren't necessary. Love seeing this type of content get some widespread recognition.

[@Graphics_Card]

Omg look at these bots

[@brquackenbush4144]

yeah same

[@Reverse_Goat]

69th like

[@asandax6]

A simple rule of thumb: If you know you can't afford high-end PC than automatically you aren't going to be able to afford any games that will require High-end PC.

[@Angussy]

at the start of 2021 i upgraded my old 6600k to a 5600X. Yeah, technically it was still able to game and everything, but nothing beyond that. It was tedious trying to watch a stream or videos, while playing, on a second monitor because it kept buffering or straight up black out. Yes they can and do work but if you play anything thats a couple years newer than the cpu itself it really starts showing its limitations.

[@PojebanyWladyslaw]

Linus: is 4 cores enough? me with a dual-core i5: ah yes, intresting

[@CoolTI-Daniel]

I know sarcasm when I see it, but the cheap budget pc nerd in me has to respond with details... Sounds like an intel socket 1156, first gen I5 are the only ones with dual core... probably a 6xx You can ebay an I5-760 for about 30 to 50$ CAD, which will give you 4 cores... Or you can buy an old dell optiplex or Lenovo thinkcenter with an I5-2400 or I7... those go for 100$

[@saricubra2867]

@@CoolTI-Daniel I heavily recommend an i7-4700MQ as the minimum for laptops, i own one and it's a beast (it's like the 2600K at stock but higher IPC and has half of the power consumption). I do music production, i game on it, can run my favorite consoles in emulators.

[@exhydraboy2429]

@@CoolTI-Daniel sounds like a 2015 macbook air

[@bedroxzbass4706]

I have a i5 3470 and its great with my 1050 2gb. I can run gta at high-ultra settings (apart from shadows) at 37 minimum fps and that's enough for me as I was previously a console gamer

[@MichaelReznoR]

@@CoolTI-Daniel 2-Core i5's are very common among laptops.

[@NathanMillerVisuals]

My 4790K was still totally usable when I upgraded my PC to handle professional Blender workflows. So used my old motherboard and CPU to make a Plex server/Linux goof around machine. I like to call it the Toyota Hilux of CPUs.

[@smudgeone]

My 4790k has been oc'd to 4.7 GHz 1.25V all core for the last 6-7 years. I've had some issues with the Asus Maximus MB but it was mostly the clock battery dying. Its only for gaming still so it'll keep trucking for a while longer I hope.

[@fetus2280]

Ive got the same, 4790k and ive got its little brother the i5 . They still work just fine for gaming but i use them as secondary systems to my ryzen rig . Theyre still good to game on and will be for a while and thats really cool imo . No real need to have the biggest and best when that will do Just Fine.

[@tursh4724]

damn

[@altonb]

Ahh blender. The free program that makes you spend a bunch of money.

[@alexthelion335]

@@altonb Spend a lot of money?

[@misterPAINMAKER]

Do a new video in 2024

[@Patisaloser]

This is still new enough

[@Rayer24]

8 cores is barely enough now. My next pc will definitely have at least 12 cores with AMD or 20 P+E with Intel

[@misterPAINMAKER]

@@Rayer24 RYZEN 7 MUST BE 12 CORES. We have stucked at 8 cpu cores since the first gen ryzen.

[@Rayer24]

@@misterPAINMAKER I love that AMD's Ryzen got us from 1000$ 8 core Intel CPUs to a 16 core consumer grade 3950x for only 750$ in only 2 years time. But I agree it's time to move on. Ryzen 5 should be 8 cores. Ryzen 7 should be 12 and Ryzen 9 should be at least 16 with 20 at the top end.

[@minbcraft]

Yep the core count increase is long due. In 2017, 8 cores for 329 usd was mind blowing, but now 5 Zens later, and we are still getting 8 cores for a similar price. I am quite disappointed in AMD for that.

[@dumpsterdawg]

When that CPU fell over it was like "Welp It's Linus....Let's just get it over with"

[@JGComments]

Preemptive strike, lol.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

But the thing is... Was it really dropping itself??? Or had it fallen and it couldn't get up???

[@codespyder]

"The old, crappy quad-core PC you already have" thanks for taking me down a notch today Linus. I was feeling too good about myself and needed that.

[@hansolo8069]

😅😅😅

[@dudebroguymate]

@Ladioz I agree. Spending $300 on a modern 6 core platform shouldn't be this big of a deal. I spent more than twice that amount on SSDs alone and I'm just an ordinary person, not a rich arabian oil prince.

[@antibob72]

@Ladioz You can get a last-gen 6 core CPU for less than $150 used. potentially updating the motherboard (and maybe RAM too) is the bigger issue

[@Silent_Shadow]

@@dudebroguymate I got my i5-9600k for $165.00 with a promo code a little over a year ago. I've got all core OC profiles that are stable at 5.0ghz. I don't keep it overclocked all the time. Normally run 4.6ghz and it stays cool and stable. My strange point is... People are unbelievably bad with their money, or don't save. Then some are just broke and I've been all 3. I grew up and realized I sucked with money in general. Once I figured that out all of this sudden I was able to buy the things I wanted. Also became patient enough to wait for that sweet deal.

[@Depl0rable10]

@@dudebroguymate 300 is still a big chunk of change tho, I also have a 6 core but there is a reason people still make 4 core cpus, because some people cant afford 300 and others just need a google and email box and spend their money on other stuff

[@caligoclarus]

Linus: "All you need are 4 cores."* *with hyperthreading

[@chronossage]

Yeah alot of budget people bought nice budget cpus with no hyperthreading and those people sadly are sadly looking for new CPUs.

[@L_T_Z]

Linus really speaks the heart of former Intel CEO Brian Krzanich lol XD (Did he also mention "all you need is 14nm++++++" in one of the previous episodes?)

[@Ari--d]

my 6 core without hyperthreading is fine

[@Shadowninja1200]

As someone who used to have a true quad core. I felt this in my soul. I started having issues with modern games stuttering and hitches with my cpu going to 100% nearly all the time (this is with almost no background tasks open). I overshot it bit with a 3700 ryzen cpu (pre-pandemic it wasn't much more then a 3600 during a sale)but it has served me well ever since.

[@jmacd8817]

@@Shadowninja1200 My 6600k is crying 😢

[@reginsjose]

Still rocking with a i7 4790 with 16 gigs of RAM and GTX 1650. Delivers me 30-60 fps for whatever i want. PUBG is my major game and gets 75fps sync with monitor

[@exoticdachoo007]

I got an I5-4670k combined with an RX570 and have 8GB of dual channel and get about the same fps on most modern games. I guess unless game specifications skyrocket, we are chilling with the mid-end builds just fine

[@universalweapon2382]

i got a i7 4790k ,16gbs of ram and a rx5700xt.. its decent. if only the 4790k was a 6c12t. it could have lasted a bit longer.

[@exoticdachoo007]

@@universalweapon2382 I think Linus did a video about how the cores dont really affect game performance much, obviously the difference between an I7 with 4 cores and an I9 with 24 cores is probably very damn noticable but between 4-8 is rather the same unless you plan on running other programs while gaming or if you are doing Blender modeling or something more demanding

[@dasrundeviereck7194]

i got i7-920 with 16 GB ddr3 ram and a GTX 660 and if I have any programm running in the backround my games freezes every few seconds... so overall 9/10 cant complain

[@ToyotaTrucks9]

Very similar specs but with a 4790k and a gtx 1060 6gb

[@michaelroy1631]

I do appreciate the effort to include this perspective along with all the "most powerful gaming PC" fun bits.

[@micahlingle1060]

*the 4690k voices its appreciation*

[@RefluxCapacitor]

Honestly, watching every scrapyard wars during COVID taught me SO MUCH about what is and isn’t possible with cheap, low end, secondhand parts.

[@Hybris51129]

It's all about keeping your goals realistic.

[@14bqdonk]

Yeah man. For some people 4 cores is absolutely not enough, but others still don't need more of it. Not every single people do the same things/task in their computer. Some are designer, some are gamer and some are just want a laptop just for microsoft office and little entertainment or to keep their photos

[@amane2254]

AISURU.TOKYO/eunji?💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@ManunKanava]

I have watched every scrabyard wars season twice during covid

[@MaxMichel89]

Sad thing about scrapyardwars is thr lack of new episodes due to covid and the shortages to this day 😪

[@osvass_]

"Are 4 Cores Still Enough?" Me watching from a 2 core laptop: I dont know, lets find out

[@_Not_Brian_]

2 core gang

[@abdirasaqali7775]

Lol 4 cores-8 cores logical is good

[@pdblouin]

My 4-core laptop from 2012 overheats watching 1080p KZbin, if I have it on my skin, it hurts. It also doesn't run unless plugged in. But I can run VSCode on it, so I have that going for me, which is nice.

[@Vernas_R]

@@pdblouin You might need some new thermal paste + a good fan cleaning/replacement.. not to mention the battery.

[@gwathanaur]

@@arienn2665 yeah, I still have an old 2 core 4 thread i7 laptop laying around somewhere and for everyday/work use, it doesn't perform noticeably different to my new 6 core ryzen one.

[@raheeldhanani1428]

So cool! Absolutely agreed, older tech is only older, it's still extremely functional for almost everything that needs doing for most users.

[@jason29853]

"The old, crappy quad-core PC you already have" I can't believe just a few years ago my i7-7700k w/ a 1080ti was high end...

[@TonyisToking]

He’s right ^ 1080 Ti is SOLID though. So just update your platform and you’re GOLDEN!

[@bigdoggo5827]

That's what you get for buying 7th gen just before Intel launched it's 8th gen a year later. Just like me with an i5 7400 I bought cus I need it for the university

[@dudebroguymate]

@@TonyisToking Solid for certain things. Not so solid for others.

[@Seatanic]

Still rocking 7700k with 2070s. Will probably keep it going a bit longer depending on it running battlefield, deathloop, and far cry 6 at 1440

[@romevang]

@@bigdoggo5827 I was building my current rig at that time, and Ryzen was just a rumor. It was a gamble to wait for Ryzen or buy Kaby Lake. I waited for Ryzen and i don't regret it. Also paired it with a 1080ti, which by the way i just sold it back in may because prices were insane and decided to cash out. Though i didn't expect graphics cards to continue selling for these inflated prices.... i was hoping to upgrade later this year but doesn't seem like that's happening.

[@LuizDK007]

Im still rocking my 10years old i7 3770. Best thing i did was to get a good processor back then. Added 2x4gb ddr3 (from 2x4gb originaly) a SSD and swapped the old GTX660 for a GTX1060. Still takes everything i throw at it with grace :)

[@Reaper57]

I also have a PC with that exact same cpu and it worked great. it's still solid for gaming if you can scrap a PC with it for $100.

[@1nfamous76]

@@Reaper57 Fact, I HAVE THE i7 3770K overclocked to 4.2 with a GTX 1080Ti along with 16gb 2666mhz RAM and it games just fine at 1440p. i'm upgrading now but that setup is STILL solid because when i bought that CPU it was the most powerful out at the time

[@RustyRenesis]

For sure. I have a 4790K OC'd to 4.8Ghz, 16GB of RAM and a 2070. Handles anything i threw at it so far. Sure i've got an overkill Cooler but it's a small price to pay instead of getting a newer mobo and CPU.

[@1nfamous76]

@@Snake-ms7sj 8.1 then, I loved that OS but was forced to go to windows 10 due to HDR support. I sense you have a soft feeling towards that build and rightly so. My build with the same CPU is one of my prized possessions.

[@heyasucks]

still workin with an i7 3770 only problem is that i'm stuck with an hd 6870 gpu

[@techfreakjames]

Linus: "You don't have to buy anything" Then proceeds to sponsor segue Then Linus: "Yes, I appreciate the irony". Al least, he's honest.

[@kxrannn.g]

I hate these bot comments -_-

[@morosis82]

Man's got mouths to feed, they've always been fairly transparent with how they do sponsors though.

[@youkofoxy]

The irony started when the showed the LTT merchandise.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

I’m surprised Linus didn’t touch on emulation. It’s still very CPU dependent and emulating more modern systems will be impossible on a 2013 quad core CPU. I tried running RPCS3 and found it to be far too demanding for my 4670k when testing God of War 3, The Last of Us, etc. The 5800x at stock speeds easily made those titles playable.

[@JBlNN]

Because nobody gives a shit about emulation.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@JBlNN Many people give a shit about emulation, especially since it's a very CPU demanding task.

[@CheapSushi]

@@JBlNN Not everyone is rich enough to have every game physically and every console.

[@hypnogri5457]

Isn't emulation like cemu or yuzu very single core dependent?

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@hypnogri5457 I believe that's true, since the systems they're emulating are tri-core and quad-core respectively. RPCS3 is one of the few emulators that can utilize 8 CPU cores for its workload, and some features are even blocked off if your processor is unable to handle 12 or more threads simultaneously.

[@1-upboyy272]

Linus- Is 4 cores still enough? Me with a dual core intel cpu-Interesting

[@lowbudgetmovies94]

I remember when core 2 Duo was THE shit

[@davidnordin2199]

Didn't you watch the video man?

[@that_kaii]

same

[@Flash_345]

Yes yes we get it, you're broke, thanks for sharing.

[@drachna]

@@Flash_345 Hey, come on now. Most modern laptops under 500 euro are 2 core 4 thread. I'd hardly call someone broke for buying one of them. Also, who give a fuck if someone doesn't have a spare 100 euro to blow on a new cpu?

[@sebastian7539]

Linus: Someone is always trying to sell you something Also Linus: Buy my shirt!

[@Silent_Shadow]

Also most of their videos are essentially advertising, and then LTT store every 2 seconds. lol I don't hate the hustle, it's just a bit ironic.

[@xDB8x]

"Are 4 Cores Still Enough?" My quad core reading the title: "And I took that personally"

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

*_Crashes_*

[@freepalestine7123]

Me who just got an i5 1135g7 🤣

[@Reverse_Goat]

69th like

[@kiku8474]

AISURU.TOKYO/eunji?💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@aminelswefy1808]

@@freepalestine7123 same lol

[@m7mdarwani964]

00:26 Me watching this on my 12 years old dual core processor : heck yes that is right.

[@Janduin45]

If my 1060 hadn't started acting up this spring I'd still be gaming happily on my 2600K from 2011.

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

Well if you are gaming at 1080p60hz and playing older games or on low etc, especially competetive games or something those lower end or older builds can really last. If you enjoy 144hz AAA games or 4K or 1440p144hz etc, a 1060 isnt gonna cut it, let alone a 2600k for many games.

[@Montrala]

I still gane on 2600 (non-k). My HD7970 was giving me bsods so I replaced it with RTX2060. I can game 1080p, stream and edit videos in Resolve with no problems.

[@Tru7hiness]

I wanted to upgrade to an NVMe boot drive, or else my 2550k would probably still be my daily driver.

[@andrescarrasco1248]

I won the silicon lottery back in 2011 my 2600k can has been running at 4.9 GHz at 1.3v for 10 years now and it still works like a charm, it run originally with a gt 210, then with a r9 280x and only last year was forced to upgrade to a 1660 super as my 280x was dying, I'm sure the CPU is becoming a bottleneck for the GPU but my display is 2560x1080 at 75hz so I get a pretty good experience, also I got myself a r7 5800h laptop with a rtx 3050ti and it's way faster on things like video editing, rendering but you'll never realize the difference on web browsing or office work

[@Janduin45]

@@andrescarrasco1248 Yeah mine was OC'd 1GHz for about 10 years. Such a beast of a cpu. Thinking about what I'll use it for next. Maybe a gaming pc for guests or something. :D

[@CarthagoMike]

_"You need to test Strategy Games that can use a multi-core cpu to calculate all the possible AI moves."_ 4:02 *Paradox Interactive:* yeh, lets put that all on a single core, shall we. Who needs multi-core anyways.

[@2033-u6q]

🤣So true

[@Kenttheclark]

cries in cities skylines

[@likilike501]

Sadly true. Another 40 euro "DLC" of course probably soon is going to be out. 200 euro game ? Oh yeah. Stellaris sadly.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

@@likilike501 cities skylines DLC is well too expensive

[@raw1175]

@@likilike501 Oh boy you stellaris guys have it easy

[@DrModsQ]

"The old, crappy quad-core PC you already have is good enough" my AMD A10-7800: ***laughs in 15fps***

[@kevinleroy3155]

xd so true i have A9 on my laptop and bruh tha's terrible

[@dudebroguymate]

The moment when you actually wish you had an FX lol.

[@arvixes8300]

@Kaspars Sentinels playing with ryzen 5 2400g laughs in 70 to 150 fps and

[@vocassen]

Still gaming with my AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Technically 6 cores but no hyperthreading, so I guess comparable to a 4 core?

[@DrModsQ]

@@user-bz1zq3tz4w I have a discrete gpu. I bought one for that reason. It did not help in the long run. numbskull.

I can tell that my 4790k I bought 2016 could play just everything I threw to it until last week very well. With a 1080ti it was a more than capable gaming rig. Unfortunately the mainboard broke, and getting a reasonable mainboard for it was not as easy in 2022 as I thought :(

[@cherrymarshmallow]

Yeah I looked aswell, and ended up biting the bullet on a $170 mobo for 10 year old hardware.

[@leonardo25gabriel]

My mobo (same lga1150 as you) started having some problems last week, I thought to myself "Man, there is like almost 10 generations ahead of mine, it should be cheap to buy a compatible mobo", man I was wrong, every 1150 mobo was almost the price as a mobo for a modern setup, I'm not even talking about good mobos, I'm talking about shitty generic mobos with only one PCI x16 slot , not even an extra PCI x1 slot and only 10/100mbps connection. I'm glad my mobo started working again, it doesn't seem to much, but nearly losing it made me appreciate way more my humble setup (i5 4570, 8gb ram and gt1030)

[@cherrymarshmallow]

@@leonardo25gabriel I have a i7-4790, gtx 1650s, and 16gb of ram. I kinda wish I just got a new computer, but I mean I am poor so what can you do.

[@lorrr_enzo]

Isn't 1150 mobos only cost $40?? Bought my b85m-d3v-a for $38 back in may just replace my dead h81m-dgs. I'm running i5 4670 with r9 290x for maximum year 2014 vibes

[@nyson07]

@@lorrr_enzo I think he is talking about z97 or something? I also bought my b85m-g for around $35

[@LonelySandwich]

Me:"wow i can still play all games" My 2600k: Burning in intel fire

[@Prshfh]

first

[@Joker-no1fz]

bro you are making good money on youtube go upgrade jesus.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

@@Joker-no1fz How much are they making?

[@ultragalacticgamer7195]

@@Joker-no1fz 2600k is still not that bad

[@gamingglatiator69]

I have a i7 2600 and im happy with it

[@schakoska]

"Are 4 Cores Still Enough?" Me crying with 2 cores

[@HarshitDube]

+1

[@michael04__806]

pain

[@blekius_]

same

[@dannihijacked2508]

SAME

[@smilynight6243]

I have a 11 years old computer bro with win10

[@HeadsUpTV]

"Are 4 cores enough?" My quad core with hyperthreading: We consider ourselves in the 8 core gang.

[@powerfulaura5166]

Ostensibly.

[@TonyisToking]

@Transistor Jump Yeah, because 8 Cores tend to have 16 threads, lol. Try an 8 Core AMD FX and you will see what I mean, hahaha. But yes, hyperthreading isn’t exactly 1:1 performance to double the core count, and Osmien seemed to know that. He was being sarcastic.

[@timthedim]

@@TonyisToking fx processor s are actually half core count due to there being 1 node per pair of cores ......... remember the lawsuit

[@timthedim]

@Transistor Jump correct 1 node per pair of cores in fx halfed performance

[@Mojave_Ranger_NCR]

@@TonyisToking I don't think you understand what he was saying. It's like comparing an 8600K to a 9700K. 4C8T =/= 8C8T, in terms of per thread performance.

[@WeDoBeeVibing]

I had bought a 4790k brand-new back then and used it all the way up until around 2019 when I started to get some mobo/cpu problems (possibly due to my long-term OC.) I wasn't able to quite figure it out and I didn't have the chance to test it in a new mobo, but I ended up upgrading to a Ryzen 3700x. Aside from the degradation, the CPU was plenty powerful to handle the majority of my tasks: compiling, gaming, light video work, etc. I get excited whenever new tech comes out and it's hard to resist, but older stuff is definitely still worth checking out especially if you struggle to afford the newer stuff. Still running a GTX 1060 6GB which was upgraded from dual R9 290X. Also note I tend to run local gameservers and have full IDEs running in the background while taking a break and running games. I recently had to upgrade to 32GB RAM for that but the CPU was still plenty for the task.

[@xxmutegodxx]

*Linus: Is 4 Cores still enough?* *School: hehe i'll pretend i did not watch this and buy celerons for our students.*

[@frankens43]

School = budget minded. Celerons run cool.. he didn’t even consider the electricity consumed on unused cores. Generic web browsing.. typing reports… celeries are perfect. but….. gaming.. schools DONT WANT GAMING. Laptops… amazing battery life for lower core count.

[@alidan]

@@frankens43 they run like hell. let me put it this way, take the lowest performance device you would consider your emergency backup incase shit hit the fan, and then imagine it running 10x worse. THAT is a school computer.

[@xxmutegodxx]

@@alidan i opened a single Happy Wheels tab on my school PC and it lag as hell (eats all 4GB ram)

[@alidan]

@Viztiz oh fuck no those aren't in my school we had a singular compute that was not crap, and that was the imac in the graphics room, every other computer was using a crt that's 15+ years old at a time when you couldn't even buy crts anymore, the computers were an absolute nightmare to even load up and browse a plain html page much less the programs that the school wanted you to use on them. picture this, a kid who can't even type 20 words a minute out passing the computer ability to input the words in word, these things are absolutely fucking decrepit and are not fit for purpose, given my purpose was namely cad/'research' for assignments/and photoshop for another class. my god, those things still come up in nightmares reminding me how bad computers are able to run.

[@lateral1385]

Celeron 4 Lyfe!!

[@StreamSonic]

"Is 4 cores still enough" Atom 4 core: Horray we are not dead yet.

[@saricubra2867]

@@TheChrimboEffectEven more DOA compared to Gracemont cores from Alder Lake (they have the potential to outperform Skylake cores).

[@Montisaquadeis]

I have a Celeron N3450 which is based on the "Atom" level cores and its perfectly fine for web browsing and light task using ChromeOS and android apps

[@WarrenGarabrandt]

I have an Atom C2538 in my NAS and it seems to run just fine. I don't game on it, of course, but not every device I own needs to be able to run Cinebench and Final Fantasy XIV.

[@a5913015]

​@@saricubra28674C4T Gracemont With 2C4T Pentium In the R15 Multi-Core has the same performers! So, don't think it can beat Skylake Cores..

[@saricubra2867]

@@a5913015 What they mean is power efficiency and area efficiency, those 2 cores and 4 threads of Skylake cores use waaaaay more power

[@AdamSalehx]

And me with 2 cores set up😬

[@-Scrapper-]

Yeah sure buddy

[@gildedinvestments9628]

Peasant

[@tyleyden8695]

Screw these haters ^^ Bro you should just get a 4 core 8 thread that's compatible with your motherboard. What cpu are you running?

[@OldManBOMBIN]

G4560 crew rep

[@histrigaming7344]

My Notebook has a r3 3200u and runs fine

[@TheDiWHYGuy]

I edit all my 4k videos on a i7 7700k I found the biggest cause of lag was not the CPU but the storage device, editing everything on a M.2Nvme drive with GPU acceleration on makes it very usable so hopefully I can get a few more years out of it as it cost to much to upgrade these days...

[@wotography]

Sounds good! Whats your gpu?

[@TheDiWHYGuy]

@@wotography RTX 3080 ti goes well mate

[@wotography]

@@TheDiWHYGuy nice! are you on a 1151 socket? And whats the pcie version of the slot where the gpu sits? I’m asking so many questions cause I’ve got a mainboard with this socket, and want to know if a gpu with pcie 4.0 will have a bottleneck on my older motherboard.

[@TheDiWHYGuy]

@@wotography sweet as buddy ask away, yes its LGA 1151 with PCIe V3. It does well for gaming but defiantly would get a bump in performance from something newer, but as everything I play runs 2k 144fps+ same as my screen I'm happy to keep it longer. Ps even Starfield gets 60-100fps 2k high settings...

[@l.d.leiter8038]

The amount of time and money the LMG team spends on memeing Linus is much appreciated

[@technonecroplays]

This is the kind of videos I absolutely love to see on any tech/PC gaming channel. PC gaming is not about buying the most expensive parts and creating a flashy looking setup at your house. Sure go ahead and do that if you can afford it. But, I really find more joy bringing back an older PC to life. Buy older hardware for dirt cheap prices, add in an SSD, do a nice clean install of your favorite Linux Distro (or Windows if you absolutely must), find open source software that runs decently on a given system. There are also thousands of games from steam you can choose from that run decently well for your specific hardware combination. My best gaming days were just playing any game I could get my hand on when I was using a Pentium processor 1GB of RAM a 60GB HDD and 128 mb onboard Intel graphics. It was good enough to run some absolute gems like San Andreas, Prince of Persia series, Age of Empires, Dawn of War and this is what got me into gaming and PC building.

[@mahirmalde8634]

Rightly said

[@CoolJosh3k]

Really wish they had compared with disabling some cores, just to see how much newer CPUs actually make use of the extra cores.

[@Olivia-W]

HW Unboxed did a piece on this, and the results were that cache size was most of the effect. Ryzens all have the same cache per core complex, whereas Intel CPUs have more cache as you get higher up the stack. So it's not that much the cores (more than 6, anyway), it's the cache size. *And, while this was unstated, this is valid within one generation of processors. Architecture and production node changes also have a large effect cross generation.

[@Le_Mon9]

@@Olivia-W yep its on their cpu scaling video.

[@grunt7684]

I mine Monero on my Ryzen 9 5950X. With many games, I can mine on 24 threads (instead of the full 32, but getting about 90%-95% of the hashrate) while playing a game and still get 100% performance in that game. On the flip side, some games simply REFUSE to run correctly if I have anything else running on even a few cores. Even mining on 8 threads and setting the process priority to IDLE simply destroys the game's performance. Hell Let Loose and Heroes & Generals are two examples of this. And then there is my beloved Star Ruler 2 game, which successfully loads my 32 threads to 100% utilization. This, obviously, is a major exception to the general rules expressed in this video. I am eagerly awaiting more games that will let my kick-ass CPU shine. Other than that, the unused cores are still doing something useful... =D

[@saricubra2867]

@@Olivia-W It depends on the architecture too, cache isn't the only thing. Watch Comet Lake beating Zen 2 in games. Intel's Ring Bus architecture always has been better for games and efficient with cache since Sandy Bridge.

[@saricubra2867]

@@grunt7684 It's Windows 10's awful scheduler. On my 8 year old i7-4700MQ (4 core 8 thread) at 3.4GHz OC, i play one of my musical proyects in real time (Ableton Live) and Windows 10 doesn't know that i run an extremely latency sensitive process... I launch Firefox and the audio has glitched clicks and other garbage until Firefox is ready for use. This is fixed with the "set affinity option" but i would like a well optimized OS in the first place. Alder Lake will fix this annoying thing on hardware with Thread Director, things like that are massive for me since Windows has a lot of flawed Kernel and bloat BS.

[@D3lor34n]

I like this approach a lot, i think it would be an interesting video idea to explore deeper into real world usage and maybe subjective feelings like snappyness.

[@518UN4]

"most decompression tasks will complete in seconds" *cries in 100 GB Skyrim Modpacks*

[@chlorine.f3]

Same...

[@aniruddhahar]

Skyrim modding is a legit high end workload, and it alone completely justifies the need for my 5900X and 3080

[@KokoroKatsura]

A N I M E N I M E

[@Phenom98]

Skyrim is crap

[@Catsrules1]

@@Phenom98 How dare you insult Todd Howard's creation. How could it be crap when IT JUST WORKS?

[@TheAlaskaAdam]

"You don't have to buy any thing!" "Buy this thing from our sponsor!!!"

[@doctordothraki4378]

1:00 And yes, I appreciate the irony

[@DTD1233]

He isn't telling you that you "need" his sponsor's product, and he even acknowledged the irony immediately after the end of the quote you selected. Fishing for likes is real.

[@navidmehdi6]

It's a code message

[@TheAlaskaAdam]

@@DTD1233 IT WAS A JOKE DUDE

[@DTD1233]

@@TheAlaskaAdam that's a pretty smart backpedal.

[@Sam_995]

I love how Linus was talking about how everyone including influencers are trying to sell you stuff and then he cut to his sponsor

[@armorhide406]

KZbin money isn't reliable and at least it's not misleading

[@kaldo_kaldo]

@@ezicarus8216 First, you assume I'm buying anything. Second, reputable youtubers don't do that.

[@UltraNoobian]

@@ezicarus8216 there are some less transparent youtubers out there that don't disclose their sponsor even if they are meant to... *Sips can of g-fuel*

[@squeeh]

Not sure how you miss it, It's an advertisement... He's not trying to sell you anything, and do you think he actually wants to talk about most of the sponsors?

[@jasontodd5206]

@@ezicarus8216 I've never bought anything based on a commercial or KZbinr's recommendation alone. I use KZbin to tell me about features a product has, and like, airflow and Temps on a case, and if a product might suck. My decisions to buy come from research and reviews, and ability to return if all the honest reviews were shills. Most of what these tech tubers do is for entertainment, they can't survive the KZbin algorithm any other way. LTT gives good info, but it's a company just like any other; has to follow the money to pay the wages and make profit.

[@pietromoopy2010]

I bought the 4080 a few days ago and it was a huge performance increase. I have an I7 6700k, it runs fine 95% of the time well above 60fps@1440p, but if there are a bunch of NPC's on screen it will dip to around 57-50fps. I will upgrade it eventually, but not right now because that also means motherboard, memory, cooling and windows 11 and after spending $1200 on a graphics card and $100 on a new case to fit said graphics card it just seems like a bit much to do all at once.

[@ZomBSlayer1017]

Bro I’m on i5 6600k so far it’s Ight for the games I play but I remember playing Star Wars fallen order it did drop frames but it dealt with it

[@fudgebucket21]

I have a 6950k. And upgraded from a 1070ti to a 3070ti recently and haven't seen any performance increase in games, still have to run on all low to get 90-120fps in newer games 🥲 guess I need a new cpu

[@kennethleuta3327]

Linus: is 4 cores still enough? Me with 2 cores: *sad laggy noises*

[@joshuahulce5630]

yep, my laptop with a t7200 core2duo and dedicated gpu can hardly even play youtube videos anymore.

[@ユニカナ]

me too , with Ice Lake U 2c 4t cpu (;_;)

[@metaparalysis3441]

-linux time-

[@joelcrafter43]

Honestly not sure why it's a question if 4 cores is still enough, I mean unless you've got like a 3070 or something then yeah of course it's enough.

[@Podzall]

Ah same boat here, i3 2120 go Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@YouSuckAtTag]

I would love to see a video of the older quad cores overclocked and benched against their newer counterparts (6700k owner here) Edit: to show what kind of performance longevity overclocking an older system would bring

[@TheOgre]

Still running a 4790k overclocked since I bought it just a few months after it's release. Holds up well today in almost all but the most intensive tasks. Even then, it does fine, just falls short from modern CPUs with literally more than double the cores and architectural improvements

[@flandrble]

Will get annihilated by a current gen Core i3 which can be often had for less money brand new than a used older quad core.

[@firestar-kr5iw]

same here, so far I haven't had any problems with my 6700k, which is overclocked to 4.9, 4.7, 4.6, 4.6 on the different cores respectfully. I'm a broke college kid, so this will have to do me for another couple years.

[@ShogoKawada123]

I have an i7-4790K running a 47x core / 44x uncore OC plus 16GB DDR3-2400 at custom 10-10-12-31 timings, and lastly all the Spectre and Meltdown mitigations manually disabled, and I get results that are a LOT better overall than those of the i7-4770K in this video.

[@memememine1]

@mstrbkr Absolutley. I bought a 4770k on release date. For the past many years it's been slow and stuttering. For how old it was I didn't mind because it had already given me many years of service but whenever I saw my friends newer desktops and even laptops I knew it was the cpu holding me back. At no point did I think it was "just as good" I upgraded to a 5600x. But between my new rendering and sim work and star citizen the 5600x is pinned past 90% for like half the day lmao.

[@drachna]

I sort of love LTT's ads tbh. They clearly realise that most of their viewers use adblock, and that they probably don't watch the ad at the end of the video, and so the ads they do roll are never too long or annoying (and are obviously easily skippable.).

[@psycronizer]

I'm sick to death it, it's corny, annoying, and is forcing me to watch other guys stuff.

[@drachna]

@@psycronizer Hey, it's not that hard to double tap the screen twice, as the ads that roll just before the intro are always about 10 seconds long.

[@tasnimulsarwar9189]

@Enchanted Goose same. I'm even willing to watch ad that isn't included in the video just so LTT can continue to be so awesome and resourceful.

[@psycronizer]

@Enchanted Goose me ? I just immediately hit the fast forward even if I miss up to 30 seconds of normal content, that's how much I hate it, because, heres the thing, I'm a 51 year old cranky, salty old bastard who will NEVER, EVER EVER EVER, be influenced by ANY adverts, I will buy what I want, when the need arises, and NEVER because some ad tells me to. I am not, like most people, not the kind to upgrade anything just because something better comes along, it invariably NEVER is justified, I will only buy something after I have done research off this site, by looking at specs, reviews, feedback, and , price. NEVER stupid annoying advertising

[@psycronizer]

you are obviously very young, wait till you get to 50 and they will absolutely PISS YOU OFF

[@giles1222]

Still on my i5-2500k and going to upgrade, but it is still very much usable and runs most modern games still (although settings will need to be tweaked on CPU intensive titles). Overclocking in the last few years has really given it some extra ooomph

[@joey9511]

Same here running with a gtx 760 still running most games with playable settings. The most impressive thing is the reliability I've spent years abusing this poor thing 😅

[@marlanivanovich1828]

The same with i5 3570k (OCed to 4.2 Ghz). With 1060 GTX 6Gb it still rocks on 1080p (stable 60fps+) at least at medium settings (W3 NextGen even on Ultra+ Dx11). Despite my working laptop having i7 7700hq (4c/8t), PC with i5 3570k subjectively has much lesser input lag while communicating with Win11.

[@Nin-Bread]

"The old, crappy quad-core PC you already have is good enough" >Has a dual core >Games refuse to run on fewer than 4 cores >gpu broke last year Thanks Linus, I sure feel better now.

[@Görkem-x5h]

just, buy a r7 360 and fx 6300 mobo ram set. There ya go cheap ass gaming setup that can do 1080p30 on low.

[@Jacotomo2222]

same

[@Guru_1092]

God though same here. Being poor sucks amiright?

[@miciso666]

some games dont use or even care about multithreading. my older pc runs tarkov a new game BETTER than my newer rig... just because it has less cores running higher rates? or something. i told my friend who works at IT and he told me tarkov an unity game barely uses multi. nor does it care about hyperthreads. so yes that older pc motherboard/cpu runs better... not nicer because it still has a 750 and my newer rig has a 2060. also some games i still own from before run way shittier on newer cpus. because it gives to much power.

[@anb1142]

bruh those exact same things happened to me

[@AHhfnovnkfn]

Can't wait for the next video "Is 16 cores still enough?" Might be as good as this video

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

Yeesh... What future game will run on more than 16???

[@AHhfnovnkfn]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 dont know but give it a couple years and they will have to make that video

[@React2Quick]

Wouldn't it be 6 or 8 cores before they jump all the way to 16?

[@AHhfnovnkfn]

@@React2Quick nah were not making a series yet

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

@@React2Quick either that or OP was imagining further into the future than you thought

[@couriersix2443]

I miss my legendary i7-2600k. When I still had my old setup, it did really well with my RX 580. And it OC'ed like a freaking champ. 4.5ghz all day on air.

[@main_tak_becus6689]

That pc was still better than what most people have, including console gamers.

[@DaiAtlus79]

im still running the non K version in my main gaming rig with a 1060 3gb and 16gb ram, plus i have the i7 2600 S in my HTPC with a 4gb 640sp version of the rx 550. still champs today!

[@jdocgaming474]

I am currently typing this comment on an i5 2500k OC as well. This and the 2600k were really beast in their day and mine is still proudly kickin' ass and takin names. That said, my gaming rig is an i7 7700k build which was also beast for its day, imo. Both rock solid but I only really game on the 7700k with a 1080Ti. I wont be building a new Rig until I see the new architecture lineup for both Intel and AMD. That and assuming I can ever get my hands on an EVGA FTW3 3080 at MSRP (which will likely not happy anytime soon).

[@Squire9990]

@@jdocgaming474 used to have an old 2500k that I OCd. Was such a good CPU. I upgraded to an i7 9700k and it was a very nice upgrade (and a 3060ti).

[@reuben-rt]

I still am running a 2600k clocked at 4.3 all core for the last 5 years or so (it can run higher, but not without injecting additional voltage which is likely to degrade it over extended time). It holds back my 980ti but only marginally in select games. No problems with modern games at reasonable settings.

[@adriandumitrescu8117]

I had a i5 7400 and upgraded to a i7 7700 and it made a huge difference for my pc. It made my pc much more usable and i have no problems with it other than the stock cooler which i changed with a bigger aftermarket one

[@snickle1980]

Well, I was "future proofing" with my 10 cores. I have about 6 years to find a game that makes use of them. I think some of the obscure indie physics games might.

[@wolfshanze5980]

I think having 10 cores in 2021 is about as useful as having 5 cores in 2016... It's better than 8, just like 5 is better than 4... but it's just an oddball one-off, I don't think 10 cores will ever be utilized the way you hope it will. I think 8 cores is the new 4 cores, and will be for awhile... I think by the time 8 cores isn't enough for most people, 16 cores will be the new standard. I really think having 10 cores in 2021 is like having 5 cores in 2016... it's just a goofy number that will never be a standard.

[@0xszander0]

By the time you can properly utilize those 10 cores. New cpu ipc/cache and ddr5 get systems so much faster your system still might feel somewhat dated. Futureproofing often isn't worth it. Only maybe till a certain extent.

[@Görkem-x5h]

@@wolfshanze5980 I think core counts would stop increasing. More cores you have more delays and spaghetti mess. This is the reason ryzens doing better at games than threadrippers.

[@i-is-charles8225]

@@wolfshanze5980 right now 6 cores is the new 4 cores

[@pronewbofficial]

I don't play a wide variety of games, but 2 of my games (Anno 1800 and Battlefield 1) use all 16 threads of my CPU. Back when I built my PC, people said nothing more than a quad core was necessary. I can't believe people are still saying that. Sure, a quad core can work. My dad's old 4690k with a good OC is still good for most 120 FPS gaming. However, game engines have caught up with the times and will use the extra cores. They didn't in 2014, but they do in 2021.

[@seireiart]

"Are 4 Cores still enough?!" For my needs (which are making digital art). Yes. It is.

[@Depl0rable10]

Depending on what you mean by digital art but most things dont need too many cores tbh

[@1SmokedTurkey1]

For most people most of them time they're more than enough.

[@seireiart]

@@Depl0rable10 Oh. I didn't make that clear. By digital art, I mean drawing and painting. And 4 Cores are more than enough for the job.

[@Octavio_Jorge]

@@seireiart agree

[@rc2k524]

me doing 3d modelling and rendering with 4 cores and pc almost reaching sun temps: its great!

[@jfrohne]

"Is a quad core enough?" Me, rocking my dual core, 4 thread i5 5200U Thinkpad... And my ADHD having 20 Tabs, 15 Programms open..

[@Muhluri]

Thinkpad gang!

[@thanhavictus]

Thinkpad master race

[@johnthemannn]

can confirm

[@B-rad1]

Basically any 3rd gen and up dual core i5 is still completely adequate from a performance standpoint. 4th gen was quite a bit more efficient though. I'd imagine your Thinkpad gets a bit toasty.

[@GD-tt6hl]

Pentium anniversary edition G3258... Yeah, I'm a little behind

[@Leoneedass_]

What’s the point of buying an old used i7 and not just buy the i3 10105f for like 80€ brand new ?

[@theWajahat]

I have done Blender 3D work on a 3 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB DDR3, 500GB hard drive equipped machine. One project was modelling a real metal bridge to scale and the other was a short animation which involved a cloth simulation. And to be honest, it was workable. It didn't give smooth viewport views in render view, but I did get the work done in the end.

[@mr0o]

Core 2 Quad Q6600 gang

[@davidy22]

I'm doing video editing on a ten year old laptop. It's a little ass sometimes, but I can still crank stuff out.

[@LloydLynx]

I'm still using a laptop with a C2D T7200 2Ghz with 4Gb RAM, and I agree it's completely workable for what I need.

[@kurnikov613]

If you do a rendering task like video editing, photo editing, blender it should be fine on older hardware but you need to be patient

[@InventorZahran]

For anyone who needs to compile their software from source code, having more CPU cores will drastically accelerate the process.

[@wepted]

Install gentoo B)

[@cobaltno51]

doubt that this is the target audience

[@GamersUniverseOE]

_laughs in TCC with script level compilation speeds_

[@frankens43]

My dos apps run soooo fast on a dual core machine……. So fast that I thought they failed until I realized they had finished the moment it clicked enter.

[@C4Oc.]

How much faster? Is it like going from 4 to 6 cores will get at least a 33% speed improvement?

[@EclipsaMyrtenaster]

Linus: "I bet the old, crappy quad-core pc that you already have is good enough for anything you'd need it to do." Me: *looks at my Core 2 Duo E7500 in shame* "What a failure of a system you are..."

[@shastribadminton22]

My pentium 4 HT 😥

[@jonnybonbon91]

Lol same eclipsa

[@RomanD]

Upgrade to Xeon® E5450

[@ariancenaj4141]

I have a t8400 best procesor ever

[@spidvolem8276]

Athlon 2, and i played ESO with it, didn't see shit but I was still having a blast

[@cartman20000]

Still on a 6700k cpu for my build. Recently upgraded the gfx card to a 3080ti, which the quad core is a little underpowered for, although I game at 4k so it's not terribly noticeable, in most games. The old card I had was a gtx1080 that I've had for around 5 and a half years, there aren't really any recent games that you can get 60+ fps at 4k on that card and a few that can run under 30fps(Rdr2 cranked up with ≈20-26fps).

[@Generationalwealth94]

Pretty sure if you ran RDR2 with Xbox One X settings you'd be getting 40fps easily.

[@AgusLivio]

Loved this video! I´m from Argentina and tech prices are steep over here... It´s good to know that there´s no need to buy super expensive rigs to play the games we all love.

[@CarlosLins1]

I feel you south American brother

[@khulanisibeko]

It's the same in south Africa

[@tiagodelgreco6655]

Vamooo argentinaaaaa Inflacion inflacion inflaciooooonnnn

[@achillesvillero5999]

Linus: is 4 cores still enough? Me with a 2 core laptop: never experienced 4 cores before

[@saricubra2867]

I had a massive increase in perfomance by 4 times or more going from i3-2370M to i7-4700MQ. Singlethread alone is more than twice.

[@amane2254]

AISURU.TOKYO/eunji?💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@boringbody]

I have core duo acer laptop I guess form 2007-9 or stuff

[@bronzbadger6310]

Same boat guys, good to see that there are others

[@mostofahasinmahdi]

me too my laptop is 6 years old at this point

[@mudman1]

I upgraded my cpu from 2 core 4 threads to 4 core 4 threads. Loading times improved on my games. I was also lucky to get a 1650 at Christmas. Very nice 1080 machine.

[@amane2254]

AISURU.TOKYO/eunji?💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@fanprocar]

I’ve got a motherboard with an i5 3550 Quad core ,Quad threaded ,8GB of RAM and I installed a GTX 1050 Ti. I am using this with a 1080p monitor and I haven’t had any problems by now.

[@michubern1444]

Always depends what u are used too

[@blackzaru]

You forgot to mention that some of those old CPUs (like the 4770K you are using) have some good overclocking headroom. Heck, you could have even linked them to one of your overclokcing guide for some additional sweet view time! Seriously, old CPUs have a ton of headroom, some up to 20%, to OC, it's really a non-negligible point.

[@jasonoutman420]

My 6700k is at 4.8 also, though I will be upgrading to either alder lake or zen 4.

[@Sup_D]

Been using 4770 for 7+ years now, along with 8GB DDR3 and "no" dedicated GPU.

[@an_iguana4306]

Linus: "no" Tech: "drop" Linus: "no" Tech: "drop" Linus: "no" Tech: "all right I'll do it myself"

[@Korv_Stroganoff]

I felt personally attacked when he said "I mean it sure is easy to show you what a piece of crap your old 4770k is" @ 1:40

[@vezeveer]

I mean that CPU is now what? 7 years old now?

[@ShinyMooTank]

I recently upgraded from a i7-4770(non k) a few months ago and now I have a Ryzen 9 5900x... I'm not upgrading my PC for the next 5 to 7 years. Haha

[@KryssN1]

The joke is on those who upgrade CPU more often than GPU for gaming. Been building PCs since 2004, my schematics is to upgrade GPU, Monitor and Audio foremost for gaming. Gives you best bang for the bucks, never failed me. I upgrade my GPU every new architecture and CPU usually every other console generation. While my friends upgrade CPU cause of AM4 every 2 years now. One my friends even gone from Zen 1 to Zen 2 to Zen 3, still having GTX 1060 6GB. I prefer my 3060Ti with the 4770K for gaming and I get double his fps.

[@ShinyMooTank]

@@KryssN1 This year I went from I7-4770, GTX 645, 12Gb of ram to Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3080, 32gb of ram. I definitely won't be upgrading for 5 years or when next gen consoles drop. These specs should play about anything in high settings without RTX at 144fps.

[@ShinyMooTank]

@@KryssN1 Agree CPU is usually the last thing that gets upgraded even consoles have a very weak CPU on the APU.

[@dagrimmreepa]

The only flatscreen game in which I really noticed a big difference in performance since swapping my 7700k with a 5800x, was The Ascent. I went from hardcapped at like 45fps on ultrawide 1440p (DX 11 or 12, settings at ultra or low, RTX off or on) to anywhere from 80-125, depending on RT/DLSS settings. I was like, cool, then played for 3 hours and never went back. Gets old fast. But for something like PCVR it's a huge improvement. Games are now so smooth at 120hz, when before I was experiencing hitching. Not, like, a TON, but enough to be noticeable and just that little nagging splinter ruining some of the immersion. Expensive, but worth it if you have a good GPU.

[@malcomreynolds4103]

and something like that was more likely from something added to the newer CPU to accelerate specific workloads rather than the additional cores

[@piplup10203854]

I’m really glad that this video is out here because it definitely makes me feel better about having a much more budget friendly build I could go for. I don’t really play that many games ☺️

[@wanaan]

Build for your budget and your tasks. With that said, I have a 450bucks pc that plays all games just fine and had been a boon for my work from home. But I still envy my friends with their 5000dollars PC setup playing on top of the line 4K big screen TV. The graphics is drop dead gorgeous.

[@piplup10203854]

@@wanaan Thank you! I I would love to have something high or even mid tier but it just isn't feasible for me to spend that much, but it's nice to know I can still get something that works for me :D

[@Davenport901]

With gaming on PCs, you either get informed on what you need to buy or you get scammed in buying overpriced hardware.

[@tabnaaknews1644]

really?!!! those games that he tested was older than 6700k cpu!!!

[@piplup10203854]

@@Davenport901 ah, go figure. I haven't been involved in the pc space for a very long time so I'm not up to date on everything but it really does seem to be that way, especially during these recent times when people are relying and needing PC's more than ever.

[@JNouveau]

Linus: "four cores is enough" Me with my eight core Xeon e5 2689: yesn't

[@kigasdj2]

Garbage cpu, much slower than 4 core OC i7’s In gaming and only like 10-15% faster in multithread loads, not impressed

[@Hualiama]

as someone who has an i53350p, i disagree, mine is still good.

[@kingeling]

@Cosine It has 10 cores and definitely isn’t as bad as AMD’s bulldozer designs

[@erdem--]

@@kigasdj2 but it is only 20 bucks

[@drunkhusband6257]

@Cosine Because bulldozer is slow, and isn't actually true 8 core

[@johncapistrano5913]

As a gamer with a 4-core system, I'm really glad with this video. I keep worrying if I need to upgrade my cpu. Thank you, Linus

[@DragonEdge10]

Honestly, if you're a pure gamer, I believe Steve from GN has the best philosophy on it: Upgrade when your hardware is a direct factor in wasting your time and/or money. If your hardware is so old such that you're dissatisfied with the gaming experience and thus wasting the time you game, upgrade it. Otherwise, stick with it.

[@johncapistrano5913]

@@DragonEdge10 this is actually great advice. Thank you

[@Yggdrasill8]

@Ian Visser Should wait at least a year after they release ddr5 am5. First generation is kind of janky, the most expensive it will be at the time, and ddr5 will run hot requiring larger even larger heat sinks

[@ViolentMLG]

If your performance is bothering you, upgrade, if not, then don't. I also think it depends on how bad something is bothering you. I downgraded a system I had long ago that was pretty high-end to a system 1/3rd its price because I needed cash. I did notice a difference in performance, but honestly not enough to care, I got used to it fast. Occasionally when multi-tasking it did show its age, but it was worth putting up with over shelling out hundreds of dollars. It gamed fine, and that was all that mattered. I went from the guy in the friend group with the best PC to the worse and I didn't care because it still could game. Eventually I upgraded once I had money like that, but for awhile I enjoyed my budget PC. People get too caught up in getting the latest and greatest or flexing on people. Unless you're a pro gamer with a high HZ monitor, does it really matter if you're getting 70FPS VS 140FPS? Don't even get me started on RGB too. I mean, to each their own, but me, id rather throw my PC in an elegant non-windowed case and save hundreds not caring about aesthetics and focus more on performance or noise. Realistically, how many new games come out with cutting edge graphics or cripple your system? I'd bet its not many. People end up justifying buying a $500 GPU for a $60 game they're only going to play for 40 hours max because they want to play it on max instead of medium, and then for the next 2-3 years they'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 more games push their system like that.

[@aceous99]

unless u like shutting down all back ground programs , get a modern day 6 core. of course the motherboard is ussually the big deal so try to find a good deal there first? 4 core for modern gamers is starting to turn into dual core back in 2010....

[@Spartan195X]

1 year later to the party. But now I'm building a cheap rig for my simulator. And I'm using my old 7600K knowing it will run anything without problem. These 4 cores will last a long time

[@lancemiller9803]

Linus has finally gone with the clearly superior default Microsoft wallpaper

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Nah, he had the default earlier. He just finally got around to upgrading from XP to 10. ... Right before 11 releases. lol

[@kenjataimu5479]

I've been running a 4670k for ages now and last year I've really started to notice the performance hit I get when I leave background tasks open... I'll probably wait for DDR5 before I upgrade though

[@Supermrloo]

Same, I'm thinking of going alder lake if it's any good

[@TeranToola]

The lack of SMT on the older i5's is very noticeable now. Linus mentions these "old crappy quad cores" but ONLY shows CPUs that were absolutely top-of-the-line for their time. IMHO it's one of the worst LTT videos I've seen in some time because it seems purposefully deceptive. With that said, definitely not long to wait now before Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000 are released

[@Emetsys]

@@TeranToola Well, the message I understood was not really "your old crappy quad cores", but the quad core you could buy second hand for cheap. Even if they could have tested more cpus, although it takes time.

[@Heavyshield]

Team i5-4670k reporting for duty. I'm not playing all fancy new games but some @1080p. When CPU is clogged like in new Assassin's Creed, ArmA3, Division 2, BF1-V or when streaming I set clocks up to @4.2 or @4.4 with my Mugen 2. Other time I downvolted it and use it with @1.2-1.5 GHz when not gaming. I've had Zen+ platform Ryzen 2600 and new platform caused not dropping in AC, BF1-V and Division 2 below 60 FPS. Also Bad4Blood beta was too demanding to keep 60. I'm considering to change platform to Zen 3 or buy cheap i5-4790. I doubt that hyper thread can give me much boost but I should OC that up to 4.7GHz. 300MHz more on 4 cores has it's impact.

[@JoshuaOwens]

I'm still on ddr3, waiting for ddr5 and am5 seems obvious since I've already waited so long

[@EsaKarjalainen]

I remember when, 10 years ago, I went from a 3.2 GHz dualcore to a 3.2GHz quad core. The difference was amazing, probably because even the graphics card drivers could benefit from more threads. However, it seems you only checked 4c/8t CPUs, which, admittedly, are the lowest I'd go these days, but a lot of people are still using 4c/4t CPUs, or even 2c/4t on laptops.

[@spaceduck413]

That's what I was thinking! I just upgraded from my i5 6600k (4 core, 4 thread) about 6 months ago

[@ChristiaanSC]

Good point, I was thinking that myself. I used to have a i5 6500, started to struggle with my work load. I think pure quads these days will get bogged down quickly with multiple programs open.

[@itznukeey]

@@spaceduck413 Same, bought i7 9700f for the price of i5 10600k and even had a motherboard already supporting it. The performance difference is actually huge in cpu intensive games

[@matklm]

Yes they only show 8 threads cpu, I had to upgrade my i5 7500 which had only 4 threads and was laging in AC odyssey. With my ryzen 5 3600 it's another story

[@Frake83]

4460 ftw baby!

[@MinosML]

The i3 12100 brought 4 cores back to the forefront babeeeyyy...best current budget cpu no doubt, with being significantly better than some old 6 cores cores it just proved yet again that the architecture is much more important than a simple core count

[@infinitysurvivor2681]

i3 13100f has never been mentioned but its lit the rtx 3060 ti of cpu insanely good price to performance, outdoes the i9 12900 cuz ofc it does

[@ophiuckus1635]

@@infinitysurvivor2681 Will probably invest in i3 13100f with 3060. I don't do much gaming, some dota2 and csgo, maybe some streaming in the future. I think this build will be just perfect for me since I don't need the extra power anyway.

[@spaceman4782]

Me: "Oh, I'm glad 4 cores is still enough!" Also me: *finds out my CPU doesn't have hyperthreading* 😞😞😞😞😞😞

[@shreyaskulkarni5955]

I am using dual core😅😅

[@endgamez7621]

@@shreyaskulkarni5955 same

[@donifadhila2265]

i3 9100f gang!!

[@nyson07]

@@donifadhila2265 i5 4440 💔👌🏻

[@zombiekiller7101]

@@donifadhila2265 cries in i3 7th gen

[@lastsonofkrypton25]

Random guy: is 4 cores still enough? LTT: "wouldn't you like to know weather boy"

[@op_zbear6651]

1:13 even linus being in the room causes object to drop lol

[@arienn2665]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ 💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@Ian_Durr]

My P50 Lenovo has been kicking ass. The computer has heavy work loads, I am a professional engineer, half way through my masters degree in mechanical engineering, and conduct molecular simulations. With the demands I place on this rig it still works well…. I run SolidWorks, MatLab, Simulink, LAMMPS, VMD, and many more. I understand gaming and content creators have different needs. Also, I use a HPC when I need 1000’s of Gigs for large molecular simulations. I would enjoy more videos for STEM. Thanks Linus Tech Tips!

[@Umbruh_Prime]

Spongebob: it sounds like someone ... is trying to SELL ME SOMETHING

[@LSK2K]

*It feels like somebody wants to sell me something

[@1288stone]

I’ve been wanting to upgrade, but my 7700k is still holding up pretty well. She’s starting to show its age with certain tasks, but overall, zero complaints. Paired with a strix 2080ti, I’m happy.

[@shortround9134]

Preston... i have a 7700k, to get better temps and more performance... delid the CPU.. apply liquid metal and put back the heatsink with silicon glue, then overclock that sucker.. you may get lucky and hit 5.0Ghz... for me i did this and for 24/7 use, all my cores are OC to 4.8ghz and temps stay really cool while gaming or doing whatever... You can get online a delid kit which show you how to do it and cryonaught liquid metal paste... its very easy to do and you will see a massive difference.

[@warthunder1969]

Same. With the whole GPU shortage though I am more likely to upgrade my GTX1070 over buying a new system though as from my experience the 7700k can still handle even 4k gaming, just not my GPU

[@1288stone]

@@shortround9134 I have. Talk about the most nervous 35 minutes of my life, lol (first time). She held 5ghz before I delidded it. I honestly don’t remember what my temps where at the time. Now at idle it’ll bounce back and forth between 20*c-27c and under load I never see it get above 55 now. This past winter I got curious and wanted to see if I could actually push it a little bit more. Got town to about 15f in ga the past January I decided to open the windows and what not, let it get nice and chilly in the house. Was able to push it to 5.1. Stayed there for about 10 minutes, and then crashed.

[@shortround9134]

@@warthunder1969 The 7700k is very capable performer of a CPU.. temps can get high, but 9/10 a delid process fixes it... im still using my 7700k with a 1080TI for 1440p or 4k gaming... not had any issues with any games... i dont think even when i hopefully get a 3080TI (if i can get at MSRP) i wont even use the RTX feature... im good without it.. just a gimmick to me anyways..

[@treflippa2]

Almost same setup here but regular 2080. I been thinking about upgrading CPU too just don't wanna spend the money. lol PS @Short Round I too am in the 7700k delid club. haha It was a bit of a nervous task to do but I think it was well worth doing.

[@Dragon211]

I have a solid reasoning for upgrades. If I can't maintain at least 40 fps in a game it's time for an upgrade.

[@saintbarnabasshackles2437]

Nonsense. Decrease your render resolution to 1. You'll have more FPS than you would ever need

[@nodak81]

If you're running an old dinosaur in the first place then you probably can't afford an upgrade. Just have to do what budget conscious people do and play older crappier games. I'm usually years behind in gaming. I just started playing Fallout 4 a year ago.

[@Dragon211]

@@nodak81 good way to do it, games will be cheaper as well!

[@frozenturbo8623]

@@saintbarnabasshackles2437 No, do 0.5

[@SteveDonev]

@@nodak81 not necessarily true. Why pay for a new cpu when the old one does everything you need it to? I'm running a 7700k with an rtx 3070 because that lets me play any game on ultra settings at 60 fps 1440p. I upgraded my gpu from a 1070 to a 3070 because it couldn't do games like Cyberpunk at 60 fps ultra but my cpu has 0 issues. I'll only upgrade it when I run into a game it can't do 60fps on

[@penajuan46]

I upgraded my 3570k to a 3770 last year and that alone had a big impact on some games I play like The Division 2. Went from averaging around 70 fps with stuttering to 90 fps and smooth game play. I also did a before and after bench test before I upgraded and went from a score of 6k to 9k with the 3770.

[@kitandrei]

Thats pretty funny, i did the exact same upgrade also last year. I didnt want to spend a lot of money for a new mobo, cpu and ddr4 memory, so just went with the 3770k. Im still looking for a new graphics card though since im still on a gtx680

[@penajuan46]

@@kitandrei If you find a decent enough gpu you'll still get great performance for 1080p gaming. I have my system paired with a 1070ti that I got back in 2018 before the world turned upside down and it still runs great.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

70 to 90fps isnt exactly what id consider an upgrade. i went from a crappy A10 APU to i5 9300H, and i went from barely able to playing CSGO at low res and set (1024x768 @ 25FPS), to now able to max it out and get very high fps (1920x1080 @ 150FPS). ofc i also have a dedicated GPU instead of before where i was just stuck with integrated GPU.

[@penajuan46]

@@youtubeshadowbannedme I think that depends on your perspective. In benchmarks the difference between a 3080 and a 3090 is around 15 fps. So to get a 20 fps performance increase as well as eliminating the stuttering problem I was having; I'd definitely call that an upgrade.

[@Bugatti12563]

Using my 3770 since 2012, it is still very capable. Unfortunately there is only one Ivy Bridge cpu above it which is the 3770K.

[@Jjjipoasdp]

"You don't have to buy anything, thievery is always an option." - Linus Media Group

[@patrickshaw411]

The secret ingredient is crime

[@doomelements4679]

Can you please do a Part II, expanding on the latter part of this video such as having background tasks running and it's impact on more productivity based workload such as Microsoft Excel, code compile, browser speed, Photoshop and Handbrake? Would love to see that as it mirrors real world usage more.

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Excel on idle would not use many resources. In reality, people would just minimize Excel even on old single-core processors back in the days. Compiling usually takes all the cores available unless you specify otherwise. If you plan to do some heavy compiling while gaming (some people do that, for example preparing Linux distros which takes a while) you could use extra cores providing you know how to use them . Same goes for practically every application - it depends does it run in background (not just sitting idle) and is it optimized for multi-core .

[@Rickkhry]

"The old, crappy quad-core PC, you already have is good enough." Me looking at my labtop with a a10-8700p: Your not that guy pal, u not that guy.

[@Rickkhry]

70c with artic mx3 50fps csgo

[@im_a-walking_shitpost_machine]

You're*.

[@Isdu]

an*

[@givmetehsucc]

i recently upgraded my i7 3770 to a i5 11400 because i got a killer deal on one, and there was a nice boost in performance, but not nearly as much as i was expecting.

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

Laughs in still using I3-7100

[@reubenmorris487]

@@tomaszzalewski4541 Still on a used i7-7700K.

[@vincecabalo5920]

" is 4 cores still enough?" I honestly got scared lmao. I just upgraded to core2quad from duo.

[@debbidonosenshi]

Hope it's the q6600. Legend.

[@vincecabalo5920]

It's q9400

[@subject204ghost3]

A core 2 duo, damn im still on the single core pentiums.

[@istachi]

@@subject204ghost3 I'm rocking a 8 core 10700kf since a few weeks. It's handy for the ps3 emulation business

[@Exx0nGaming]

im using pentium 4

[@JohnyKnox]

Linus: it only takes second to extract files these days. Scene releases: Hold my beer.

[@Montisaquadeis]

Who honestly doesn't use a repack these days?

[@tophan5146]

@@Montisaquadeis What are scene releases? Is it these hacker tournament to pack a playable game in the least kb possible?

[@j8457]

@@Montisaquadeis repacks even take longer lmao

[@dudebroguymate]

@@Montisaquadeis People who live with gigabit internet in civilized countries.

[@Ken_neThT]

I love that Windows 10 wallpaper Linus edit they did lmao

[@yadah44]

My friend still has i7 4th gen and still a beast. I recently got a job so I'm planning to build a $1. 5k~$2k budget mid tier pc build.

[@ejmb1992]

"But it is not this day!" This day we drop a quad-core CPU! Linus could be part of the next LotR film lols Is Linus or the writer for this episode the LotR fan?

[@aboudjbara4453]

“Are 4 cores still enough” Me having fun with my dual core pentium

[@anakinlowground5515]

@Viztiz We all knnow KZbin won't do that, because they suck at managing things, no matter how much we would like it.

[@kiku8474]

AISURU.TOKYO/eunji?💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@saifaddeenal-manaseer6325]

@Sad Loaf Of Cat D: that must be painful. I have a 6 year old dual core i5 and all these new crap software and webpages are making it struggle. I say crap software and webpages cause I think they don't optimize them much since it doesn't make sense that a dual core CPU struggles with simple stuff like that.

[@saifaddeenal-manaseer6325]

@Sad Loaf Of Cat D: Good for you, Windows 7 is noticeably faster, I wish I didn't switch to 10.

[@thunderbolt10031]

Before the video even starts, I'm gonna go ahead and answer the question saying yes, 4 cores is still enough providing you have hyper threading as well. I'm on an i7-4790 system with 24GB of RAM and a GTX 1080 FTW edition and it handles everything I throw at it like a champ. The hardest I push the system is with VR using a Valve Index or HTC Vive.

[@dudebroguymate]

It's enough until you launch Cyberpunk and start to cry.

[@TheArrowedKnee]

It highly depends what game you're playing. A lot of modern games have become more CPU dependent over the years.

[@riffsthatkill2180]

I managed it without hyper threading (3570k). And a 980 ti. Totally playable and above 60fps for almost all modern games at 1080p. I did delid the CPU and overclocked it to 4.5ghz.

[@macchiatotea5196]

yup, the important part is, that the 4 core CPU NEEDS hyperthreading. I had a i5 4570 (4 core 4 threads) for a long time and it struggled hard with games that use more CPU power or a bit of background tasks in the recent years. I upgraded to a Ryzen 5600X and am now very happy but the i5 4570 is too old for the new days (except for playing old games, that's still fine)

[@lansiman]

my i7-6700 bottleneck even my gtx 1070 in many games,unless you only play old games otherwise you're just don't know what you miss btw my other system are 10600k,R5 3600 and 5600x

[@JakeLikesTech]

Please do an updated video that include Intel's new efficiency cores. I may be wrong, but I assume that they would handle the background tasks test a lot better than even the 5800x shown here.

[@geraltofrivia688]

Linus: Tries not to drop a CPU CPU: "And I took that personally"

[@KyotoIsaki]

Lins: Is 4 cores till enough? Star Citizen: NO -grumpy cat-

[@raggedyexynos9487]

Its never gonna come out anyway cause its one big scam. I pity the people dumb enough to waste their money thinking its some kind of "investment" backing that imaginary game up

[@alidan]

@@raggedyexynos9487 not a scam, just horrifically managed.

[@ethanhiggins4887]

I back it because I thought that $30 or $40 or whatever I paid was worth it for the game and I enjoy playing it even in its current state. Whether it will ever be fully realized… Idk. But I sure hope so because it would be one of if not the greatest game of all time if so

[@elendilion]

MSFS 2020: No.

[@panathaninf]

Here ! Moar crowdfunding to solve! Kk thnx bb

[@jaketus]

6:09 Would have loved to see these comparisons with lower percentiles to see stuttering. I upgraded from my old i7-5820k to amd 5800x because I had significant stutters while other programs where in the background. 5800x has eliminated those totally.

[@saricubra2867]

5800X also has WAY FASTER CPU cores and clockspeed.

[@SpaceLion949]

I use a weak ass i5 7300 HQ 4c/4t (laptop SKU) everyday, I was having some issues with the laptop, they were mostly ram related, Windows was using way more ram than it used to. Now that I upgrated to 16 GB of RAM, things go fine enought, even when multiple programs are open at the same time (MS Word, Foxit Reader, Spotify, Discord, Edge Browser with multiple tabs) I don't experience major issues in Dota 2, my most played game. There will be games that would not be playable ofc, but I can easly close most apps in that case and focus on the game, I don't really need as most users, to have everything open at once. If you need to, that's fine, there're obv valid reasons to buy a high core fast CPU but in practical terms, as long as you can do what you need to, a 4 core CPU is perfectly adequate. Whatever your experience was with the i7 5820K, it doesn't prove anything related to lower percentiles and stuttering. For the specific things you do, it seemed to be an issue, it could also had been another cause. You simply assumed it was cuz of having 4 cores. IDK if you got that idea from the tech deals guy, that a high core count CPU is better in terms of 1% and 0.1% lows, that's not true. If a CPU has better frametames is because of it being fast not because of cores, at least in most games. It has being proven by Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed multiple times.

[@saricubra2867]

@@SpaceLion949 It seems like my 8 year old i7-4700MQ aged better. 4 cores and 8 threads (hyperthreading makes a big difference for quad cores). I use 16GB of RAM, i couldn't believe the singlethread perfomance of this thing at 3.4GHz for the age. I can run Pokémon USUM at 60fps in CITRA 3DS emulator only in one or two threads (bad optimization, there's a quad core version of the 3DS) in 1920 x 1600 internal resolution (more CPU intensive than native resolution, CPU also renders parts of the image). I also do music production on this thing and it is fast enough, maybe too fast for being that old and for a mobile CPU. Insane framerates in CSGO, 120fps dust 2 with a horrible GPU bottleneck at 720p very low settings (GTX840M). The problem with CPU's like the 5820K is their fundamentally flawed architecture, i think they don't use Ring Bus so they get higher core to core latencies even when they have more cache. I did tests in my 4700MQ at 3.4GHz and it makes Haswell Xeons and similar HEDT processors from that era look like Bulldozer chips, rarely goes beyond 35 or 38 watts while gaming, close to 80 degress running at 1 volt (-87.9 milivolts of adaptative undervolt). At all core speed (3.2GHz), it runs at 0.9 volts. I bet that CPUs like 5820K fail to match a Sandy Bridge Core i7-2600K (and it's 10 years old) in games.

[@MissedMessages]

Yeah avarages doesn't take stutter and fluidity in consideration. Going from my 6600k to the 1700 Ryzen (when it came out, I needed it even for video editing) I was amazed how the experience was waaaaaay smoother, even before watching reviews talking about it

[@Shadowninja1200]

​@@SpaceLion949 I had 16GB of ram and still had stuttering in modern games on a 7600k. It was pegged to 100% in AAA games releasing around 2019-early 2020. Upgrading ram wouldn't have fixed that and I didn't win the silicon lottery so it didn't over clock much more then stock setting. It just depends on the games you play and it was definitely the 4 core cpu for me in those games i played. I would have probably been fine moving to a 7700k but It wasn't much more money to buy a 3700 ryzen cpu/motherboard combo that was on sale (Intel cpus were still ridiculously overpriced around that time). Good timing too as I would have quit pc gaming altogether thanks to the current hardware pricing.

[@Nalianna]

Man, tech is amazing. Seeing Linus talk about second hand CPU for $100, then realising that my brand new CPU was close to that. (a year after this video was filmed, granted)