Is a Math Degree Worth the Sacrifice?

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[@coffeeconfessor4747]

Choosing to go back to school when I was 34 and finish my degree was the scariest thing and the most rewarding thing I've ever done. I ended up with two bachelor's degrees, one in applied mathematics and one in physics. I'm now working on my dissertation on Fuchsian groups (my first love is applied mathematics and operations research, but for some reason, SL(2,R) and its projections into the hyperbolic plane absolutely fascinate me and I'm trying to make a physical 3-dimensional model) for my master's in mathematics. It's hard, and there have been days where I've wanted to cry and give up, but my professors kick me in the butt and cheer me on simultaneously and I am always grateful for their support and prodding in equal measure.

[@jeikojeiko3428]

Wow, I´m trying to study a physics and a math degree ´cause I am amazed with how things work, though I´ve always been the one who doesn´t know how to do math and is very bad at it, so i´m trying to improve but I wonder If i´m able to

[@soulsofwar8985]

@@jeikojeiko3428 You'll get there, everyone learns math at a different rate, I believe math sorcerer even has a video about that very thing! Even if others are faster than you, don't get discouraged, as long as you work at it you will get there! One thing I used to take for granted was the professors themselves. They want to help you and see you succeed! If you're struggling talk to them and always go to office hours whenever you can! It is extremely helpful. When I started using the time and advice my various professors gave me I personally saw an improvement

[@coffeeconfessor4747]

@@jeikojeiko3428 if it makes you feel better, you don't have to be a genius at math for physics or math. You just have to learn the patterns, especially in physics. There are always patterns and concepts that make the math easier.

[@jonsvenson7056]

Hands down yes. I have a degree in math. Senior year in college I panicked as to what kind of job I might get, then took the first two actuarial tests and got a job with a consultancy. Haven’t looked back sense.

[@hansbaeker9769]

I have sometimes wished that I had become an actuary. I think that it is a very steady and reliable field.

[@daniellejdevlin8882]

I think getting a degree in Mathematics is worth the sacrifice. As much as I love Psychology, I wish my Bachelor's degree was in Mathematics instead because I think knowing Mathematics is so important and it's a lot of fun!

[@paintbasedpunk3441]

the main problem is that most of us think we need a degree before we can actual practice something. A degree gets a food in the door and brings some experience on the way but it won‘t replace real skills which you which acquire anytime and mostly for free.

[@viverasschweiz]

Psychology is equal important.. -.-

[@zvezdazvijezda3594]

Psychology is much easier to graduate than Mathematics or Physics. You saved yourself.

[@Eric-zl1kn]

If you pursue graduate school, you can look into neuroscience, linguistics, and cognitive science. Both desire math and computer science skills. A lot of these domains co-publish with psychology departments so if you can orient yourself into these fields working closely with psychologists and publishing in psychology journals if that's your goal. I originally wanted to study computational linguistics, switched my major to international business with minors in math and statistics and intend to do work on how trade is affected by language in grad school.

[@swordsimkid23]

I share a lot with the questioner, I'm terrible at math but I really like it. The concept of math and what it can do has always fascinated me. What I would like to do is to get a computer science degree but I want math as a minor, I really want to get better despite not having made much progress. I just want to say thank you math sorcerer, the references you've provided and the time and effort you make into teaching this subject is incredible. When I take the time to make true progress in math I am sure that I'll look to you for guidance. Thank you for your hard work

[@drury2d8]

My math cohorts worked on weekends, holidays and had few friends. Probably, math was the only thing that gave them happiness.

[@svt4001]

My advice to the OP would be to seek employment at a college or university. There are TONS of administrative and operational support jobs available at every school, and most of them provide free tuition to their employees and their families as a benefit. It might not be the job you "want" but it will presumably allow you to at least make a similar salary to what you earn now and you will be able to pursue higher education without incurring more debt. I work in information technology at a university. I completed my unfinished Bachelor's degree and went on to earn a Master's, and it didn't cost me anything but the time and effort. My cousin has been a plumber all his life. He recently went to work at a local university (as a master plumber) to secure higher education for his daughter.

[@heythere8318]

That is so horribly devastating to hear. What a world we live in where someone can go to an expensive college, work hard in a very hard degree, get a very high GPA, all to be working a minimum wage job and in a lot of debt. That is so so terribly sad and I am so disappointed in the world that that happens all too frequently. I am so sorry to whoever experienced that. Whoever you are, you deserved better and I hope you see a very successful future very soon.

[@stevves4647]

Your math book review videos are also fantastic and such a useful resources for many students for many years on.

[@zetsubou-chan]

Got so excited when I saw new upload!

[@budgarner3522]

Great answer to an excellent question. Listen very carefully to this guy. Quality suggestions. Math allows you more career options and is a great enhancement to most science and engineering programs. If in school, consider adding math to your degree program. I couldn't settle on a science, so picked math until I settled on a Geology and Geophysics and finished with a double BS. The math degree made me stronger in all sciences and engineering for my future. Math allowed me to understand the physics behind geophysics that made for a great career as an o&g explorationist plus utilize and write analytical computer programs and teach HS math.

[@mannydossantos9603]

Absolutely. Your mind becomes better prepared in problem solving, insights into dilemmas and mental agility. Plus there's plenty of prestige and respect that comes with it.

[@69erthx1138]

"The world is yours..." is on the globe in Tony Montana's mansion in film Scarface 1983 with Al Pacino. Majoring in math is never a bad idea. As an undergrad from 1993 (with ecology), it opens up more doors than it closes.

[@philosopher2king]

I'm 51, and toying with the idea of going back to school for math. I grew up during a dictatorship and hated math, basically because the militaristic mindset of rooting out the weak was often taken on by teachers who either saw you as promising (the ones with a natural math aptitude) and kids like me who weren't. Math was always a crucible, something that was meant to be hard. I wish I had had teachers like the passionate ones I'm coming across now, who want their students to be good at it. I feel this incredible need to best the "bad" dragon of math.

[@TheMathSorcerer]

Maybe you should do it:) It's worth trying! The first step is to take a class. Good luck!!!

[@hamadalonazi723]

Thank you for the video and thank you for picking up that question which represents me in

[@ardiris2715]

I was friends with a math major at GA Tech. She was a former heroin addict and she stripped her way through college. She works for the US Navy designing mine field tactics for submarine simulators.

[@climateteacherjohnj7763]

I hope you can get your friend to tell her story. That is simply, amazing!

[@Surge_Arrester]

The story of a friend from university, together we finish Electrical Engineering degree, he worked for couple year for an engineering company but didn’t like the work, so he decided to study Medicine to become doctor so when back to university and studied Medicine for 5 years. Also, as student in a medical degree program he took part in a hospital internship as part of his degree requirements, this did it in night shifts.

[@FlaminTubbyToast]

Degrees in stem are much more versatile than many people suspect One big disservice is saying “I don’t use my Major because I got a job outside my field.” Because skills and sometimes even knowledge sets transfer/translate well. Look for the skill requirements not the major, and you will find that you may actually have what it takes to do a job.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

what society values should be irrelevant to your love of math. a math or a science degree as a second degree (your case) is a career decision not a love decision. do not chase the windmill without first determining what your goal is.

[@pso14]

In my opinion, the most important thing you get from studying math at this level is that you create models that can recognize and even solve a variety of problems, thus your problem solving skills level up a lot. The world is full of problems and we are the ones that have the ability to create solutions. (We already have computers for the calculations and simple data management).

[@hansbaeker9769]

Many people, perhaps most, don't have jobs in their degree field. In those that do, an advanced degree is, I think, often central in the goal of advancing in that field. Years ago, I met a young woman who had an undergraduate biology degree from a major university (we were actually in the same year in that university, but never met. She got a job in a lab and all she did was for two years was doing the same tests on sample after sample after sample. After two years, she saw that she would never advance much at all without a doctorate in the field Instead, she started doing odd jobs around the city. Her top job was washing windows. On weekend evenings she worked at a the front door of a club admitting those who she thought would fit in with the clientelle in that club. And she considered it to be an improvement over doing the same tests day after day after day in the lab. The nice thing about math is that there are many related jobs in addition to teaching. One major one to consider is to go to work as an actuary. Another is to work in computing science fields. If you'd rather go into engineering, if you know the math you are already ahead of most others Not being an engineer, I have no idea how much you would need past a BS or MS to become a professional engineer. Someone I used to know with a MS in physics was looking at applying to law schools and said that some law schools like those with math and physics degrees in particular because math and physics students are more logical than most. In other words, a math degree seems to leave many more doors open to you than in most fields. The people I know who are more likely to have jobs in their degree field or something reasonably related to it have engineering, math, or divinity degrees.

[@spacetimemalleable7718]

Besides taking 1 math class, try to also take a CompSci class. You may find CompSci/Programming especially in AI/Data Science is in high demand today. As MS says, you need to find your passion then go for it. Of course, this may entail moving to a city/state where the jobs & demand are.

[@nickbrian9882]

I’d agree, I think the best thing first is to get a better job and first be financially stable enough to be secure. Then if you feel like going to college again for another degree that option is open. I will say this though, go on any university’s website and look up the math curriculum they have, then just KZbin all the classes. KZbin is a great resource because it’s free and you can go at your own pace and there’s so much knowledge out there, it’s just how much are you willing to push yourself?

[@mohsn295]

I got my BSc in Math after taking a break from college for a few years and I don't regret it at all. It gives you happiness, confidence, satisfaction, etc. for years afterwards. I work and do day trading on the side, which is the only thing I do nowadays that requires some amount of math, though very minimally. Best of luck to anyone out there pursuing math, it takes time but it's highly rewarding!

[@SuperYtc1]

Is there profit in day trading? Could you point me in the right direction to get started? I've been rejected from everything :( and the independent nature of day trading appeals to me. Have you made profit? If so, would you say that's down to variance? Or do you see yourself making long term profit?

[@mohsn295]

@@SuperYtc1 hey I tried responding a few times and it's not posting my comment, is there another way I can message you

[@manofsteel9051]

Would you recommend pure or applied for getting a job in the industry?

[@vcv6560]

I recall the people I met going back for a CS degree, coming from Biology, Film, Music even Kinesiology as BA/BS holders. What they had found was without an advanced degree there were few opportunities in their initially chosen fields. Some had loans, others were supported by parents in coming back to classes. It seems too often people only find after graduation how difficult their path will become.

[@matteogirelli1023]

I think that if he had the possibility to sustain himself during the studies, or a grant or something, then with a degree in math + one in cell biology he would have a very nice curriculum for computational biology, which I belive is a very interesting option. Being ambitious pays out as long as you don't overstep.

[@matteogirelli1023]

P.S. Maybe in this case a more suitable degree which is still basically math would be statistics.

[@charlottepeukert9095]

A math-degree won't automatically get you a better job. It has to be combine with markable skills and you have to choose your field. Don't confuse your passion for math with your job-options.

[@russianescapist5262]

the world is yours is from Scarface movie ending, where Tony Montana was floating in the pool.

[@peteaustin5018]

This is the last place I expected Illmatic to be referenced lol

[@guerrillascholar]

This really points to a larger problem, which is that you don't often hear anything about the ideal of "learning for its own sake." Learning only matters if you can hang a salary on it. Frankly, in my opinion, the only learning that matters a damn is learning for its own sake.

[@somcho]

My advice/response would have been, "just start taking actuarial exams"

[@navierstokes2356]

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[@denisd.2031]

Actuarial mathematics or statics would be math branches that could lead to well paying jobs.

[@83jbbentley]

Why not Pre-med? Or Physicians Assistant,seems to be this persons forte? “The World is Yours” that’s from Scarface and I think it was Pan-Am old slogan.

[@muragegitari6052]

My response to the biology graduate. Instead of going for a pure maths degree, how about taking a masters in computational biology, bio-informatics, biostatistics, .. in which you can use your biology knowledge, learn applied maths and stats without exhausting yourself with graduate level pure maths. Demand for bioinfo and computational biology graduates in the US is growing at 2.5%, and there are thisands of job adverts, and with the future customised medication and treatment, the limit has no sky. If you like the field, then later go for a phd. in graduate level applied maths or pure maths. I wish you a successful career. Go for it.

[@MagicNumberArg]

Can you make a video about things you could do with a math degree that you couldn't do with same skills but not degree?

[@rich_in_paradise]

IMO, if you just want a better career, unless you're really passionate about studying math, learning to program is going to be a better use of your time. And I wouldn't go and get a university degree either. I'd learn from books, Udemy, places like that. Learn something where there are lots of jobs all the time like web front-end, app development, etc. Most companies will have a degree requirement, but it doesn't have to be in computer science to get most programming jobs. They just want to know that you're smart and you already have a science degree. Just my opinion, of course. Math is interesting and it can lead to good careers, but IMO the programming route is the much easier path to a good job if that's what you're really after.

[@NicolasBelkin]

Programmers are being laid off at an alarming rate and businesses like HSBC are outsourcing all their technical resources to India. ChatGPT and AI's are already capable of programming to a decent extent, not long before computer programming degrees become obsolet meanwhile chatGPT can't solve mosto undergraduate and grad school maths questions yet.

[@rich_in_paradise]

@@NicolasBelkin 🤣

[@josherney9820]

​@Slava Belkin You're brazenly asserting your opinion on this topic but it's clear you lack a deep understanding of how software engineering creates value for a business. Software engineers are being laid off because tech companies overextended themselves over the past 15-year-long economic boom, and are now scrambling to appease shareholders by cutting costs in the face of a recession. The large majority of these layoffs are not engineers, they're managers, marketers, and recruiters. It has very little, if anything, to do with outsourcing and AI. in fact, this kind of thing tends to happen every 10 years or so as a consequence of our monetary system (check out "How The Economic Machine Works by Ray Dalio" if you want a good introduction, it's something I wish I learned in college). IT outsourcing has been happening for decades and has yet to satiate the job market's demand for IT talent. It's not a magic bullet where companies pay less and get the same results. They pay less upfront, then often pay more down the road dealing with poor software design resulting from communication issues. ChatGPT, and AI in general is indeed capable of programming, but it is not anywhere near capable of software engineering. Good companies don't hire programmers, they hire people with good communication skills who can identify and solve problems by writing programs. AI doesn't even come close to offering this kind of value right now. @richinparadise's advice is solid, and likely will be for some time (at least the next 10 years, which is plenty of time to make A LOT of money and reskill for a new career if necessary). I'd add that specializing beyond front-end app building can help job seekers as well, especially those looking to break into the industry. A lot of these bootcamps pump out students with the same skillsets. Having a certification in a technology (e.g. Salesforce) can really help you stand out providing you don't mind doing that kind of work. Nice deadlift BTW. You could pull 550 - 600 by the time you graduate.

[@simphiweyawa3970]

There is also a choice to go to the field of Epidemiology there is maths there.

[@scottmandel6536]

A cost effective way to sample Math classes is the Math Sorcerer's Udemy courses. These offer a glimpse of what would be covered in college classes without the financial and schedule overhead.

[@SuperYtc1]

As someone with a good mathematics degree - no, it's not worth the sacrifice. I've been rejected from every job I've applied to (hundreds), and I can't even get on a course to study AI because my academic background isn't appropriate apparently, even though I've taught myself programming and had some programming modules in my degree.

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

It's really weird that they won't let you study AI when your background is in maths, considering under the hood ML is hugely dependent on maths. Are you applying to good or average universities? In my country most universities that teach AI don't actually teach anything that goes on under the hood, so there's no maths involved. They just teach how to use libraries like SciKit that do it all for you. Maybe you could apply to better universities since they're more likely to be teaching the fundamental mathematics behind it? Although what is it you want to do with AI? Get a job? Because AI is pretty easy to teach yourself if you want to. You could always do that and then build up a small portfolio of projects to put on your CV.

[@SatchelChannel]

People here in Europe graduating in the weirdest and most specialistic degrees out there without any debt: "Yes, I'm a gender study molecular biologist with an art background and i work in retail" Average american unable to pay student debt unless they get engineering, law or medicine degree: 🥺

[@deniseneumann]

Right

[@ronaldjorgensen6839]

is there a newspeak book on math terms 2023

[@God-ld6ll]

You need a blod donor sacrifice degree for that.

[@o0QuAdSh0t0o]

Isn’t every type of a degree a ‘sacrifice’?

[@clarencekoh6921]

I'll like to chip in. I completed my maths degree at the age of 35. It was difficult and to be frank at this point, i don't see any pay off. I got my first degree in undergraduate medicine (based in Singapore, commonwealth countries do medicine as undergrad). I later completed a postgraduate in medicine, equivalent to our masters in medicine. However instead of doing a theoretical masters, i took a professional certificate that is recognized in the industry as equivalent to a masters. That professional certificate today helps me angle for a higher pay in my work. So I'll like to share my thoughts on my experience. First learning is important. But validation is equally important as well. Validation helps to ensure that you are "learning" the "right" thing. It's about accountability of time and skill level. Second, validation traditionally has been with colleges/universities. In general, beyond the first degree, I found that professional certifications have a better pay off. Often they are tougher as well. I took my postgrad medical cert 3x before finally passing it. I passed the maths courses once through. I don't think I could have passed similar content had i taken the actuarial exams. But i believe the pay off for being an associate actuary will be much higher than a 2.8/4.0 in BSc maths. (At 30s, I have more responsibilities than just studying for an A, though i tried hard). Overall, the professional cert was much cheaper. I paid maybe 12k usd inclusive of 2 airfares to the UK training centres. An MSc will cost about 20-30k usd. It takes far more time for the professional cert, because they have no incentive to pass you. I paid 26k usd for the math degree. Acturial exam costs 325usd per attempt. Maybe 5-7 exams to get the first official cert. Even trying every exam 3x will be about 5-7k usd. Cheaper than any BSc. But the time cost will be the same if not much more, because professional certs demand you have in dept knowledge. You either pass or fail. No room for B-/C+'s as in my case. I'm sure the A+ students will be proficient to pass those exams, but i'm not them. In summary, depending on your goals i.e. where you want to work as per the Math Soccerer. If you are pressed for time, a degree might be better. With exertion, you will almost definitely have a passable knowledge. But it will cost money and there is a chance, that you will not get into the industry. Professional certs are very stiff. People fail them often. But overall they open doors in the industry. But you will need to give it some careful thought. You don't want to sacrifice so much to open those doors, if you have no intention of say being professional data analyst, actuary etc and your interest say lies in theoretical and pure maths, or even engineering maths.

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[@Jim-be8sj]

It's not worth it unless you are truly compelled by love of math to do it. An engineering degree or computer science degree would be easier and more lucrative. Possibly this guy could use his background in biology to work towards a degree in bio-statistics. That whole field will be moving in the direction of artificial intelligence soon and they will need people to select and train the models.

[@soulsofwar8985]

Here is my thoughts on the matter. In general: Is a math degree worth the sacrifice? Yes, it is very rewarding and you'll view things differently and it does give you skills to work in several different industries such as tech, finance, etc. However, in this guy's specific position: A bachelors in math? It really, really depends. Like Math Sorcerer said, learn what you want to do first. A degree, even a 2 year long master's, is a big commitment in terms of both time and money. So before you blindly jump into math, even though I personally love it and would recommend studying it to anyone, figure out what exactly type of job you want to learn. Afterall you can learn math in your free time if it is just a passion thing but you don't want to work with math. Once you have decided what job you want, ask yourself if a bachelor's or a master's makes more sense. In my opinion, a master's would probably make more sense with most jobs since you already have a bachelor's degree. Whether you want a master's in math, computer science, engineering, etc, even though it might be harder to get into than a bachelors, the time (and probably money) commitment are both less and you have a higher earning potential. Jumping from cell biology to math or CS might be challenging, but it is doable. A lot of universities will say "Requires a bachelor's of math or related fields", I think for most STEM degrees cell biology would probably be covered under "related field", however even if not, what they really want is for you to demonstrate you have the fundamental skills required. You can take online courses, see what courses that school teaches and try to teach yourself some, take one or two community college classes here and there to get the basics, etc. In the current world we live in, you have access to all the information you could possibly need. Tl;dr: For this guy's position follow these steps: Learn what type of job you want, determine whether you want a bachelor's or masters in that field, if you choose master's then take some time to learn the pre-reqs online or at a community college, get the degree for the job you want, profit

[@StaticBlaster]

How much math is involved in software engineering? Computer engineering?

[@soulsofwar8985]

@@StaticBlaster I am not a computer engineer, but I do study CS and math so I can definitely give you an idea for the software engineering side (and I'll also relay what I've heard from my comp eng buddies). Before that though, note that the two fields generally use very different math. Computer engineering is more likely gonna use things like calculus, differential equations, the more traditionally "applied" branches. Whereas computer science (and in turn, software engineering) will use things like combinatorics, number theory, etc (typically more traditionally "pure" branches). So if you've never experienced more theoretical fields, it is a bit different, but also more enjoyable imo. For software engineering, it really, really depends. There are so many different types of "software". If you want to make websites, you'll need virtually no math experience at all. If you want to work on AI, that is a surprisingly applied field, you'll need to understand a good amount of statistics, linear algebra, and a tiny bit of calculus. If you wanted to work on programming languages you'd need a solid foundation of combinatorics, number theory, and theoretical computer science, same if you wanted to work on operating systems. Wanna work on virtual reality stuff? Also need a solid foundation in physics. For software engineering it really depends, there are jobs that will use next to no math, and jobs that you will use a lot of math, really depends what area you are interested in. In general, the "lower-level" you get, the more math you need (lower level means closer and closer to hardware. Web development is about as soft as software gets, but operating systems have to work very well with the hardware they are attached to). There are some exceptions like video games requiring some math (though most video games you'd make you'd use an engine that does 99% of the math for you). As for computer engineering, that suggests you'd be working with the hardware directly. Building it, determining how it interacts with other parts of the machine, etc. This will require knowledge on calculus and differential equations much like other branches of engineering, calculus and diff eq really are the bread and butter of 99% of engineering disciplines. Though if you want a more in-depth explanation as to why, you'd have to look elsewhere on KZbin I am afraid. I tried to give a very broad overview, if you have more specific questions I can try to answer them, or at least point you to a source that can

[@StaticBlaster]

@@soulsofwar8985 Thanks so much for that detailed answer. So I'm guessing PDEs aren't really used in computer engineering applications?

[@soulsofwar8985]

@@StaticBlaster PDEs can appear in computer engineering (it can even appear in CS in specific areas like finance, game engines, etc) but most universities don't require CE students to take a PDE class from what I have seen. So although it is certainly useful knowledge for many engineering disciplines, I have rarely seen CE students have to take it. I also imagine that working as an actual CE, most of the time when ODEs or PDEs show up, they're gonna be using some software to do it for them (though of course understanding it to know when it is doing something weird or wrong is useful, but in the case of PDEs, probably seldom required)

[@StaticBlaster]

@@soulsofwar8985 Awesome! Thanks so much, man. I appreciate you taking the time to provide a detailed and lengthy explanation. Now I have to decide what I want to do. I might go into software engineering. In that case, I'll be taking discrete math, combinatorics, graph theory, number theory, etc . 👍

[@_Donatello]

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[@riffsfromtheabyss666]

1:55 I would add that if he's into math for study and wants a good paying job... go into computer science.

[@Drforbin941]

I would like to teach myself math from ground up...could you help please?

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is the fabik of the universe worth understanding to you or me? self study works less cash to study

[@masterqz7326]

glad to hear you are a Nas fan ha

[@tommymcpheemusic7745]

What they could likely benefit of is working at a university that lets them take math classes for free

[@Pootycat8359]

With a math degree, you can go into any engineering field, without a great deal of additional study. All engineering disciplines are heavily math-based, and if you know math, at least through differential equations, you've got a big head-start.

[@manofsteel9051]

Are you referring to pure or applied math?

[@christopherrosson2400]

I don't believe we should treat college as a place to learn for the sake of learning. I think it should be treated as a function in which you put in a student and get out a career oriented adult. Sadly, that doesn't have any implications on your want. Go to college to get a good job that supports your actual interests. You can study any math in today's world without a college and work in any other field. Then you can afford those textbooks, the tutors, etc, etc

[@ronaldjorgensen6839]

i need a degree in reading faster and a one armed man page turner device open source

[@supersirotic1]

Respect to the math sorcerer for being a fan of Nas 😁

[@Eduardo-cr8ri]

Biostatistician?

[@girlsinacoma]

Getting just a math degree is like Michael Jordan that didn't play basketball. I think you have to apply math to make a good living (and not be a prof etc).

[@edgaragtoto2528]

Trade school is more practical even though you're a plumber you can still study math

[@ussdfiant]

For the love of Mike, don’t go to medical school!

[@DARDA360]

With his degree he could work at a pathology lab. Just an example

[@dreed7312]

Sacrifice? Interesting. Go to medical school.