Is Ableton Move the OP-Z Killer?

[@unduloid]

Four tracks is al I need to make my terrible, terrible music.

[@justinwilliam4644]

Me too, but not a built in mic and speakers is bit weird

[@o3rMeNs]

I just sample songs and loop single clips on a single track. Is that not the way?

[@minimal3734]

@@justinwilliam4644 That's how different opinions can be.

[@spectralknights2]

​@@justinwilliam4644ur joking right or not that smart

[@slowkingmusic]

Lmao😂

[@totaled_camry]

This seems to appeal to people who think "dawless jams" is a genre

[@godboat.]

lmao

[@scamculture]

😂😂

[@GordonBBB123]

Or folks who want to be _seen_ using it more than they want to be _heard_ using it.

[@justinwilliam4644]

Hahaha

[@slowkingmusic]

💀💀💀

[@PaulNolanofficial]

ableton continue to make products for the audience they wish they had, rather than the audience they actually have.

[@alexsoundstuff]

this

[@SUBSYNDICATE]

true

[@beatz04]

Disagree. Other than this product (which i think is underwhelming), their products (esp. the Push series) have been major successes.

[@PaulNolanofficial]

@@beatz04 the first two pushes, yes. Since Push 3 they've completely lost their minds, and in recent versions of Live, they've managed to break more shit that worked properly than introduce new features. there's a reason why there's an increasing stream of users migrating to bitwig.

[@harveytherobot]

Wish: Hot kids in Brooklyn. Have: Not kids in basement.

[@vexthem]

I will stick to making beats with pens on my desk

[@jghosttheconscious]

You serious? Why you even here respectfully.

[@SublimeSynth]

@@jghosttheconscious joke /jōk/ [noun]; Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.

[@estetico9282]

@@jghosttheconsciousyou must be fun

[@recon7773]

There's a vst for that...

[@iamsyntact]

😂 this is legit the way my parents did it

[@donnieharrisonn]

dude using it on the subway is def getting robbed lol

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

I know. Lots of people playing in open and public spaces.

[@vukan.mp3]

he definitely not doing ts in new york 😭

[@jmichell1880]

At least it's cheaper to replace than a phone ?

[@livinproof718]

I’m from nyc and nobody does anything … they don’t even know what your doing and nyc is so big not everywhere is dangerous even in the dangerous places you’d make a friend doing this on the subway I know I’m from nyc

[@fabiandeleon4636]

And it’s in Mexico City

[@itchydez]

Finally, the perfect hardware for layering my snares. EDIT; Why are Ableton demo tracks so awful?

[@snubdawg1386]

hahaa

[@yungvarg2301]

The second one was kinda cool imo

[@TunaCanGuzzler]

What are you talking about? It's peak of what Ableton has to offer.

[@Grant82gc]

People like the idea of making music on the go more than they like making music on the go. Like seriously, I have never seen anybody making music/beats on a mobile electronic music device anywhere. Yet this is the imaginary demographic these silly devices are targeted at.

[@godboat.]

i do

[@NgaTaeOfficial]

If I’m making music on the go, like waiting at an airport, I’m using my lappy.

[@beatz04]

This. I've lived in Berlin and Hamburg and have yet to come across someone in RL making music outside the way they portray it in these kind of commercials.

[@NgaTaeOfficial]

@@Grant82gc The Imaginary Demographic you mention is in fact real, it’s just slightly different: it’s not “people making music on the move” it’s “beginners and hobbyists who want to dream, with a modest spend”. THAT demographic is very real, and Ableton wants a part of it. Makes sense, to get them into the Ableton ecosystem.

[@NgaTaeOfficial]

@@godboat. what are you using currently?

[@Blogspierre]

16 level pitch per drum rack pad, combined w/ 4 min. per pad sample time will go a long way in clearing the “4 track” limitation hurdle. One bass note in the drum kit, and use 16 level pitch for your bass in the same track as the drums. Not bad.

[@Tontonbeats]

the thing is you can play pitches on individual drumrack samplers. so in 1 drumrack you can have a LOT of (monophonic) melodic information. Plus there is resampling, so the 4 tracks might not be such a big limitation

[@beatz04]

Is there resampling though

[@Tontonbeats]

@@beatz04 yea there is

[@dp-dt2ew]

True, but how cumbersome is it to work this way? Especially on a product that has to be easy to use and especially at that price

[@beatz04]

@@dp-dt2ew Absolutely. To release a product at this price point that needs workarounds right from the start is less than ideal to say the least.

[@dp-dt2ew]

​@@beatz04 Also, I could be wrong, but was this really one of the top 5 hardware ideas Ableton could have developed for its target audience? It is almost a toy that should cost $150 less, is it really something that meets some important customer needs? Idk..

[@kingof9x]

Its lack of sampling features, like chopping, time stretching, and granular is more annoying than the 4 track thing. Rolandd $200 sampler shouldn't be more powerful than a $500 ableton device.

[@GrayedSchool]

You can chop…watch a few more videos !!!

[@HIFI1965]

IKR. I have one and I do like it. I LOVE my 404 mk2. But I think they will pair well.

[@lariatolariato]

Ima use this shyt as a Push Mini live controller cuz I'm tired of that big ass Push 2 taking up desk space and I only use 20% of its capabilities anyways

[@valdir7426]

ableton really doesn't want you to know it seems like a very capable controller by putting this functionnality as a footnote; but I'm on the fence taking this just as a controller.

[@Garnassium]

Same, the controller aspect is really what im interested in​@@valdir7426

[@lariatolariato]

@@valdir7426 I'm going to wait a year for used versions to pop up on the market. By then I should know if it can replace my push. I only use Push to chop up samples in simpler and play the drum rack

[@HIFI1965]

@@valdir7426 I have it. It's a pretty good controller, especially for devices, clips, and playing things in. Get a launch control xl for faders/mutes.

[@EdoardoMarcora]

Resampling with long sample capability and pitch per pad on the drum rack opens up the possibilities. Looks also great as a compact Live controller. Jury is out on external MIDI capabilities and rerouting of external audio to MIDI out track for ise woth internal fx.

[@NgaTaeOfficial]

External MIDI input doesn’t recognize CC’s…. whaaaa? Check the MIDI Implementation chart in the manual if you don’t believe me.

[@EdoardoMarcora]

@@NgaTaeOfficial I was referring to MIDI out messages to control other synths, which I gather it is pretty limited at the moment. MIDI in, from what you tell me, has similar limitations, it seems.

[@Grummycanader]

A four track stand alone groove box comes across limited. If they marketed it as a controller that can ALSO act as a stand alone for track sketch pad it would come across as cool bonus.

[@christianokami2220]

Seeing this as a teenage engineering competitor in addition to seeing that you can have the audio port out to a car usb makes it attractive. Also, as a pianist that needs a drum machine at times for live gigs with no drummer, this is much more ideal than my Force or DrumBrute.

[@mightycyber8492]

For me it's a great device, I'm traveling a lot and it's always hard to take anything with me and a mini push was what I wanted the standalone plus control function for Ableon is all I wanted

[@VentureNW]

Its a great portable sketch pad for ideas - session view on the move. I think track count is fine - drums, bass, melody, and harmony. Past that - move it over to Live. Price is great, for what it does. I see them improving on this, with firmware updates. Sometimes creativity comes at weird times - will I have it with me - that's another story. Another feature that I didn't see here - you can have it connected to Live and use it as a controller. Smaller footprint than that giganta-puss square that is Push. Not sure I would use it on the subway, however - unless you are packing more than a 'Move'.

[@elsantoproductora]

You can't kill what's already dead

[@music-maker2505]

If I was 16-20 again.. I could for sure see myself drifting away for hours on the beach or park with this thing. But now I’m a big boy, I’m scared of those crazy teens 🤔😂✌🏼🎶🇮🇪

[@johnviera3884]

the price point is ridiculous.

[@LY-pp9xl]

yea I think I need another Ableton MPC Circuit Tracks Mini-Z

[@loneerv]

It’s basically a Circuit Tracks with a little screen

[@minimal3734]

It is a cross between tracks and rhythm. According to most of the comments, they don't get it.

[@saardean4481]

@@minimal3734 haters will be hating, misunderstanders will be misunderstanding. Its how some humans are. If you can`t beat them join them. Though to be honest i prefer making a beat better than beating anyone

[@HIFI1965]

with the exception that it doesn't have the shitty nova synth engine. It sounds good.

[@Cosmonaut1999]

I'm not entirely sure why companies are obsessed with us making beats and tunes on the move, in a park, walking to the station, on a bus etc...i have enough anxiety just getting my incredibly shit phone out on a packed tube. Maybe its just me but I make music at home and experience the real world (without headphones/earbuds) as part of that process. couple of hundred quid for a performance tool then maybe...Im just not sure who this is targeted at for that price point.

[@FredBloggs919]

It seems to be targeted at some marketing company’s wet dream

[@HIFI1965]

I travel alot. I like it. As for pricepoint.... I'm into modular, so......

[@sativaengineering3724]

4 tracks worried me a bit but if you consider polyphony it can be up to 4x16 drum samplers + 256 step loops, aint too shabby tbh.

[@TomAndreen]

Yeah, and I personally like a bit of limitation in hardware devices. For me immediacy and a certain fun factor is key rather than unlimited tracks and effects. I have a laptop for that 😄

[@scotthstevenson]

Will it work with the new Subpac coming any day now ?

[@HIFI1965]

I have one. Small screen is no big deal. It is very helpful and pretty easy to read. The small screen also helps battery life. #2. Four tracks is a limitation, but unlike the Push you can easily bounce any track onto a pad on a drum rack. You can also sample any synth onto a pad and play it chromatically. There are some issues here and some real misses in V1. But if you are comfortable bouncing things down, the "four track" limit is not a big deal. I like it. I'm an SP-404 wierdo.

[@Drrolfski]

Its onboard resampling should help somewhat to deal with the limitations in tracks. Other than that, I don't see a reason why it should not get an update that adds Shift + Track to open up the next 4 rows of tracks.

[@sternenherz]

Didn't expect Move to be - that - level of a joke, but alrighty then.

[@mudi2000a]

I mean I would see things like the Novation Circuit series as competition which is while a bit cheaper in a similar price range and I have the feeling this is more powerful (if you can live with 4 tracks). So maybe it's not for you but I guess there is a market.

[@minimal3734]

It is a cross between Circuit Tracks and Circuit Rhythm. I think it has a potential. But a lot of people don't seem to get it.

[@terminationshokv]

I think they advertise this more than the Push because most Push users already know about Push and Live. I think Ableton wants to catch some of the hype around groove boxes and use that to market the brand to new users. Eventually some of those users will become users of Ableton’s other products. Any groove box released right now is guaranteed to be featured on scores of popular KZbin channels. Personally, I’m sticking with Push. I already have a Maschine Mikro, and this Move thing doesn’t seem to have any huge appeal to me. There’s something to be said for music products that do less, and are portable. Lots of options and complications can be a real creativity blocker. The ability to make music easily on the road, and then transfer that whole project over to Live is this thing’s real killer feature.

[@andypark9233]

I've only had the thing for a few hours but the 4 track issue isn't that big a deal. The sample based tracks can play up to 8? samples simultaneously, and crucially, chromatically. So you can have 16 samples on a track of which 8 (I think) can be played at the same time (chromatically if you wish). So bass, drums, random other stuff on same track. And that seems to be possible for each of the 4 tracks unless you choose to use the synth sounds on one or more of them. So compared with other similar things (Circuit Tracks etc) it is way more powerful. Or put another way, I have managed to very quickly concoct a session that is a complete mess of different sounds playing at once at different pitches.....I haven't worked out what the maximum is but "more than enough for a portable gadget" seems to be the case.And the user interface is really intuitive and designed really well. Obviously, having different sounds on the same track isn't ideal (although you can adjust and automate volume changes for individual samples) but each sample has its own send effects as well. And the screen, albeit small, really helps (like say the upgraded Deluge) compared with the Tracks, Yamaha SEQTRAK, OPZ (without connecting to a screen) etc. Project for tomorrow is to try and programme Blue Monday on a single track.........I think it might just about be doable....

[@romannietoperz4675]

imo price is quite reasonable as for groovebox like this with those two synths and amount of effects it have. and for ableton`s pricing standarts as well. i was expecting something circa around 600eu per unit AT LEAST, but i think it`s not that bad number -especially that after couple of months or even weeks you will be able to get one at other retailers with lower price. on downside there`s no midi/sync ports. anyways we have to wait for florian`s episode on that :v

[@SH-ry2xi]

You drinking their koolaid huh?

[@romannietoperz4675]

@@SH-ry2xi everyday

[@minimal3734]

It's a cross between Novation Circuit Tracks and Rhythm. The price is good.

[@alexstixx]

Good morning Weaver! I'm super excited I can finally throw away my OP-1.

[@SublimeSynth]

hold on, sending the GPS coordinates to my trash can shortly

[@danceb4nine]

I feel like it would be worth the money if it worked directly with ableton and its devices directly and to use the arrow functions to go between tracks within ableton to use it as well to edit samples and to manipulate the timeline and so fourth. That would be worth the money then. I don’t think it’s worth it right now honestly.

[@krobo]

I feel like companies often hold back on the truly innovative features untill the V2's. gotta have something to pitch for forking 450 again in 2 years time. V1 is easily digestable intro to the product

[@krobo]

also if there is a e250 "intro" price, I might drop hints to my girlfriend for Christmas prezzi 🤫

[@tommy2nes]

It doesn’t have freakin OTT???

[@ontiretsemagome9154]

Imagine

[@vinylarchaeologist]

@@ontiretsemagome9154 The Horror

[@444Inlakesh]

looking for this comment

[@HIFI1965]

We all wish.

[@GenocidePanda]

instant cop. people act like the beatles didn’t make revolver on four tracks 😂. literally like an ableton 404

[@Screenshot1015]

Good thing we’re all the Beatles.

[@potatodubs]

I think this would be great for like 100-150 dollars less. but I would pretty much just use it for controlling live on my laptop on the go. I really like to manually play my beats and instruments

[@MokheleNtho]

The price is debatable but i think it is a useful device, and a firmware update will probably add more tracks. It doesn't add anything excitingly new to the market, but it is solid for what it is.

[@syzygygyoza]

ok but like where can i buy the dress at 2:23 like

[@IAmUnderscore]

Yo wait fr tho lol Probably costs 200$ knowing novation

[@amp4105]

Use the new Google image search thing

[@MathHammer]

The SD card is internal (based on tech specs and manual). I don't see any info regarding upgrading it. It is probably sufficient. I guess with only four tracks, sampling to a pad in a drum track is a viable work-around. Overall, my interest is low. I will stick with my Tracker+ and Tracker Mini.

[@gepardek]

I thing too. It's based on Live 12 instruments, so if you have Live 11 you can't export the projects fully. You need to upgrade. So after buying this you have to add upgrade price if you are using older Live version XD

[@HIFI1965]

what would you expect?

[@gepardek]

@@HIFI1965 Back compatibility?

[@komplexxor]

I'd love to use this for recording vocal ideas quickly, and sample random stuff. Sounds good, and hopefully in the future they can increase the track count and offer the chance to replace the factory sounds.

[@GenocidePanda]

just resample

[@Mjm1138]

I think there's a decent chance this will drive down the price of Push on the used market, so that's a plus. I'd probably be thinking hard about this one except for the four track limit. I want to know more about how it compares to push as a controller for Live. They do need to be realistic about the fact that "portable" just means "not at your desk". No one is playing this thing on a subway platform. In your living room? Sure. Back yard? Why not? Standing on a corner waiting for the light to change? C'mon now.

[@therealzyrix]

Was saying the same thing for the 4 tracks. I would really like to see maybe another 4 tracks for sequencing external gear. That would probably make it more useful

[@GenocidePanda]

just resample

[@minimal3734]

You can play 16 samples simultaneously and chromatically on a single sampler/drum track. You can resample parts of the session and put those loops into a drum rack. I don't think I will run out of tracks.

[@mklschwrtz2]

I'd rather go for a Seqtrak and use whatever midi keyboard with some pads I can find. More tracks, better sounds, etc. I don't hate the Move but it's just not enough to justify the price where I live.

[@va941]

Oh man, wish Bitwig would get in the HW game and show these fools how its done😂

[@chrislawuk]

It’s not great that all the demonstration music sounds like the same track rejigged and remixed… poorly

[@commodore74]

Just a marketing thought: I assume the audience they're targeting are Ableton live users already, which probably they have a laptop with at least Ableton 10 and a midi controller, so why go out and cash out more moneys for basically a little "computer" that is only capable of doing like 10% of what you already have? .. just a thought

[@paQ75]

I guess basically to be able to rotate some encoders, press some pads and use a tactile step sequencer.

[@bengalinsky4300]

From the marketing it looks like they’re targeting casual hipsters, with the emphasis being on reducing music making to playing a video game rather than a creative endeavour.

[@morecowbell2611]

Because regular MIDI controllers don't come close to the level of integration and amount of supported features that Push or Move have. Move is standalone, yes, but it can just as well function as a controller to input drums, keys, trigger clips. It's very lightweight compared to Push. It's a perfect companion controller for a laptop tbh, while also fun to use on its own. One major point that seems to be overlooked is it can also be great for live performances, doing drums, chords, fingerdrumming on stage. You can load up all your favorite kits and samples. Not for everyone I'm sure, but it's a great standalone device, and you can still hook up your regular MIDI controller to it too :)

[@commodore74]

@@bengalinsky4300 with you on that one

[@commodore74]

@@morecowbell2611 I do understand the appeal of standalone units, and the new Move, hence the name probably, does look as a unit that you can use in any place, project or gig. But my point really is that for the price you pay for them it dones't even come close to what you can achieve with a laptop using ableton, which when you think about it can aslo serve as a standalone instrument, and if you asign or purchase one exclusively for live perfomrances in my opinion yuo're getting a machine that can do much more. Anyway people are free to do whatever they want with their hard earned money :)

[@ontiretsemagome9154]

Keep it real. That's why we subscribe

[@ThatSockmonkey]

It looks ok, but the lack of midi din is a bit off-putting when i have so much older midi gear.

[@iamdoomedmusic]

the demos are pretty impressive tbh.

[@Galfar0th]

wow this was a very positive review. I'm blasted :) though liked it.

[@vertigev]

The MC-101 has four tracks and is about the same price (but can't sample)

[@tr1co0]

The OP-Z is the OP-Z killer

[@ThatGuy-Official]

It would be theoretically easy to add more tracks if you could have track banks that you could swap via some control.

[@CRTZ.ADE.]

It’s just the hardware version of the note app i have the BNYX Boot Kit from the Move into the Note app but it was hidden inside the library so i think it came out from a bug of the app

[@lostreligion1313]

Does Op-1 have 4 tracks, I can see a 4 track recorder but does it have more tracks aside?

[@fumarolas]

it's like a Novation Circuit but with Live integration, synths (Drift/Wavetable) + samples. No Operator sadly. I want one still

[@minimal3734]

I hope Operator will come with a firmware update.

[@HIFI1965]

plus it sounds good. ;)

[@KordTaylor]

Yup. Seems cool and they Push their hardware downscale which is awesome, particularly in this economic climate and for those who want a keyboard with some pads. 👏🏻

[@beatz04]

Well for the price of this you get a as new Push2 easily. It's not exactly cheap.

[@itsdrawkcab5899]

About the track count being limiting, isn't it possible to resample a track onto a pad in drum sampler? That way you can free up a track again. A bit similar to how you can stack recordings onto one track on the tape recorder on the op-1.

[@GenocidePanda]

yes this will be the way

[@itsdrawkcab5899]

@@GenocidePanda kind of like that limitation, it forces me to commit a track to audio. On Ableton its so easy to end up with a lot of redundant tracks

[@minimal3734]

You can play 16 samples simultaneously and chromatically on a single sampler/drum track. You can resample parts of the session and put those loops into a drum rack. I don't think I will run out of tracks.

[@HIFI1965]

It's how I made music in the eighties on a four track Tascam. It's fun.

[@Canderson_Beats]

I just bought an MPC studio 4 months ago.

[@valdir7426]

the irony is it's pretty much the perfect live controller for me, too bad it comes with a standalone thingy with presets which makes it a bit expensive as a controller

[@ichibandude]

I don't know, I might just use apps on my iPhone.

[@fussybuss]

Am I dumb for expecting MPE pads? 😞

[@mudi2000a]

For this price? I mean you have Poly AT.

[@fussybuss]

@@mudi2000a yeah it’s priced right for the features, but why wouldn’t they make a product with MPE pads? Their latest soft synths have MPE, I figured that’s the direction they were going. It’s almost 2025 and they’re releasing products from 10 years ago

[@urbannpa]

Are you sure there's not a SHIFT function for anther 4 Tracks?. Ableton Lite is 8 tracks.

[@zonashi8645]

I feel like the whole point of having a dawless device for me is to get away from ableton completely. I’d rather have the polyend tracker because it offers something different with the tracker workflow.

[@basedvato]

Used push 2 seems like a better option for half the price of this imo.

[@ViN-EzL]

JUST MAKE A PROPER SEQUENCER APP FOR PHONES

[@ViN-EzL]

I want to start beats on my phone and seamlessly load it into Live when I get home. The Ableton Note app sucks

[@SageVintageSound]

Ableton Live fr eats. So versatile.

[@RPLXN_wav]

They could add pages easily to this controller to scroll through the tracks to add more track counts (they still can do it if they want to via frimeware update) like have a limit on that too but 4 is a bit too less and this their gray area product i feel like its good but not so much good but then you read the price and then your go its good but then u remember about 4 tracks and you think its not that good. you know what i mean. 😂😢

[@iamsyntact]

thanks Weaver 🤘🏻

[@cthulholmhastur5317]

🤔 All I can say about four tracks is ... Pet Sounds, Are You Experienced, Sgt Pepper.

[@jmichell1880]

I would probably get this if they add more Ableton synth options like Operator.

[@HIFI1965]

I was on the AMA discord with the developers. It's on their road map to bring in other instruments. Operator is a good candidate because it is computationally pretty straight forward. The real work that we would have to do is create the instrument racks that control an FM synth with 8 knobs.

[@jmichell1880]

@HIFI1965 that's good to hear. It seems like they're really trying to avoid menu diving, which is commendable, but a couple of "shift+" functions like a 2nd page of parameters wouldn't make this too complicated of UI. It's already SO much better than the MC-101 in this department. I do hope they also develop the midi more. It's kind of a waste of the knobs not to be able to send out sequenced CC values to external hardware. Not sure if that was an Apple-like decision to force users into the Ableton ecoosystem, but if so, that's a shame.

[@TheGoldenWreath]

drum tracks plus 4 tracks?

[@guysmiley7289]

You gonna preorder this one too?

[@deadmanwalking6342]

GRETA would say: How Dare You!....................................................................Yeah, as a RPI based VST in a box it should have 64 tracks.

[@F4xP4s]

Drum, bass, lead, vocal, what more?

[@ilandzmusic7848]

12.1 Dropped finally

[@estetico9282]

I’m an Fl Studio user but would love to learn Ableton one day. But why do DAW companies always use demos that people wouldn’t actually listen to in their free time😂 (The second one in the vid wasnt too shabby)

[@AlchemicalAudio]

I want to see a demo of someone using it as a phrase sampler…

[@justinsomuch6324]

its just kinda too expensive for what it is. $300 would of been the perfect price point for me. 4 tracks is a bummer but you can resample and use a drum pad. I just want ableton stand alone gear that I don't have to go to ableton to finish the song.

[@JEFFMAN90]

This should be 200 bucks at best

[@durtcannon]

4 tracks is more than enough for a sketch pad 🙏

[@bugglebegger143]

Being able to use the Wavetable synth is cool. 4 tracks is mid. Too expensive. 300 might be a buy from me

[@LonChera-1]

Is pretty good. I may buy one actually

[@cliftonoquinn1865]

The not so obvious: Audio interface, Multitrack recorder with 64GB memory and 32 sample slots, Sampler, 1500 sounds, battery powered, speaker and microphone built-in, WiFi, wireless import and export. Show me one piece of gear that does all of this (and does it well) at this price point.

[@miss.antidote]

MPC ONE :)

[@HIFI1965]

IKR. I'd say my SP-404 mk2 has alot of this, but not all. It has other things, but this thing punches above its class, for sure.

[@FredBloggs919]

That Ableton paid for that advert is incredible.

[@MattParson]

No time stretch for sampling

[@ha-ato]

16 steps bothers me more than 4 tracks. Even the $200 Roland t-8 compact can do 32, and the p-6 has 64. It has some unique features that would make this interesting when paired with other gear, but.. I don't think this does enough on its own to really justify the price point, with so many other groove boxes at $500 or less that have proven their worth. Plus the i/o is really lacking.

[@andypark9233]

It is 16 steps per page - you can have up to 16 pages or 256 steps per track slot. And the drum tracks (of which you can have all 4 of that type) have 16 sample slots and you can play samples chromatically. With different effects per sample. So it is actually really rather powerful.......There is of course a polyphony limit which might well be 8 per track but still really quite powerful.......and very easy and pleasant to use which is even more important.

[@ha-ato]

@@andypark9233 I had a feeling that the specs on the Ableton website were gonna be a bit misleading lol. That honestly makes this thing a ton more attractive.

[@threethievesmusic]

You know I'm always looking for a way to make beats when I'm out in nature? I hate this vision of beat making on the train etc. Everything is more efficient on a laptop.

[@relative_vie]

Drums “Sample” Bass FML

[@michael7018]

These whiners have to shut it and stop the crying and and whining like little baby. See what’s going on here folks, Ableton is not spending $ on monetizing KZbin charlatans to review the Move. So they go on a hate campaign. Miv3 is a great piece of get,an engineering by Ableton. I’ve tried in quest to find so thing to sketch and compose with that is portable. I tried, TE OP-1, Elektron Samples, amd Polyend Play. Sold them all due to unfriendly UI and inability to quickly dial in drums and sounds and just jam. I just got the Move few days ago and I just love it. The price is very good for what you get. It will be expanded in so many ways. It’s a winner. I own an extensive of analog, FM, and digital synths and drum machines. But have been frustrated at finding something that I can take another room or in my car or away on bizz. I finally found it. These KZbin charlatans should just shush it. I will post videos next week.

[@Weaverbeats]

Bro you are actually insane. This is a news video talking about the details and pros and cons. I've been critical of ableton even when they have given me software in the past.

[@HIFI1965]

The "only four tracks" complaint kind of bugs me. It's sort of like saying a Jazz quartet is not acceptable. Rhythm, Bass, Chords and Melody. Drums, Bass, Piano and Sax. This is music distilled down to it's purest components. Write a song, damn it, and make it good. Once you have good song, upload it to ableton, and get nelson riddle to orchistrate if for you. To those people who say they couldn't write a song with only four tracks, I'll say it doesn't matter how many tracks you have...... just grumbling, and yes, I like my move... (but I LOVE my 404, and it is even more limited).

[@Weaverbeats]

It's a fair complaint when it doesn't need to have only 4 tracks. It's a fair complaint when you are doing more complex genres.

[@keetharris2010]

Its a entry level push. At least mpc keeps same software in the smaller form. I rather carry my laptop that's enough on the move for me

[@blocSonic]

Nah. I'll continue sticking with my Push 1. Maybe one day Ableton will release hardware that I'm willing to upgrade to.

[@killacarew]

NO SAMPLE CHOPPING 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@morecowbell2611]

It does?

[@StopTryingSoHard]

I hear the best selling music device on the last 20 years only has 4 tracks ... I think it's definitely missing the kitsch of the "just enough and no more" limited nature of the OP-1/OP-Z. We threw everything in a box and we don't know why nobody really likes it, we even through in 64GB?!?!?!?!? I bought a Tascam 38 and they including 5,000,000 miles of 1/2" tape. Every single fucking demo song was so terrible, is it just their marketing manager has bad taste?

[@mooted5513]

*laughs in Dirtywave*

[@carmeloscozzola6472]

Ableton MC-101. Four tracks and sixteen steps sequencer? In 2024? It's underwhelming. EDIT: I was wrong, it has 16 BARS sequencer, not 16 steps 😅!

[@PabloRodriguezwhyCharlieWhy]

I'm getting a push 2.... half of price on these days

[@MrBendixxx]

At Ableton HQ they have photocopies of Weavers face taped to their chairs, so they sit on his face all day long.

[@frallorfrallor3410]

297 euro not bad price ty ableton