Is ARMS Really THAT Bad?

In the last Nintendo Direct, it was announced that the next character to join Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would be from Nintendo's fighting game ARMS. Many were disappointed in such a widely disliked game getting the slot. Today, I want to look back at the game and see if it was really THAT bad.
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[@KatanaRikku]

Before I watch this, it's not a bad game, but it just didn't have a lot of content for me to justify spending $60. In fact, the characters are the most unique and awesome designs I've seen from Nintendo this gen. I had fun with that trial they did a couple weeks back.

[@ChiGuyGaming]

You may be disappointed in my thoughts on the character designs.

[@KatanaRikku]

@@ChiGuyGaming I just got to that part lol. I do agree with Twintelle though. Booty queen. I hope she's the Arms rep for Smash.

[@gaminglakitu]

With the free trial, I actually got a reason to play Arms, and in the end, it makes want to go and buy it when this pandemic is over

[@stevenbowen8098]

@@KatanaRikku twintelle the booty queen for smash is actually possible

[@YesLegend936]

We all know hawt clown girl best

[@cdng4071]

i honestly think the character designs were really creative.

[@Cosmic_Coffee_Creamer]

Some of the best ive seen from Nintendo in a long time.

[@Cosmic_Coffee_Creamer]

@Devilluke ラム Those put me to sleep. Give me more ARMS, Skullgirls, and Darkstalkers level of crazy designs for my fighters.

[@gatst7680]

Hell yeah, more crazy designs!

[@D3stinySm4sher]

RIGHT?? As soon as he started bashing the character designs, I felt like the video was already too far down hill. That’s the game’s strongest quality imo, and I’m excited to see it get added to Smash.

[@ChevalierSilver]

Devilluke ラム It has NOTHING to do with people being bias towards realistic designs. These days we have several fighting games with characters with crazy designs like blazblue cross tag battle,guilty gear strive,granblue fantasy versus,and other non realistic fighting games, and alot of people likes those games,and characters. Arms on the other hand has bellow averege,or averege designs at best,with characters that has almost no dept what so ever in terms of personality. Also most of the cast of characters never says something other than their own names. People also mentioned Skull Girls,and Darkstalkers as examples of crazy good designs,execept the design of those characters has way more depth than what arms does. I myself don't really like,or dislike arms characters,but saying that everyone that don't like the designs are bias towards realistics chars,or Playstation,is not true

[@2freeaustin878]

Arms is not that bad but lacks in content

[@darkdoctor1915]

true, it's fun, but there should be more stuff to do

[@Toonrick12]

Both in gameplay and world building.

[@nintendomain4956]

All that’s wrong for new animal crossing is, we can’t text like for long texts

[@QuestionableLogic_]

And depth.

[@kyubeyz_7062]

Austin Dowdle desbug pfp desbug pfp

[@otakupower1048]

I wish there was at least a story mode or something. Anything to keep me engaged as just a single player. Like the characters look really interesting to me I want to know the lore.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

There’s Lore in the game, The Grand Prix Mode has text that explains some about the characters. There’s also unlockable Art in the Art Gallery, that gives you more Lore about the World. Or you can hear about it here: kzbin.info/aero/PLgfEq3MlFcxJyu0DCvd4jGtUptGsvLJkG

[@Furkward]

@@ARMSStudyLab But that's not what he wants he asking for a story mode that tells us about the character's campaign systle through voice action and you know what a story mode has lo.

[@Lucrei.]

The game is definitely lacking single player content. At bare minimum a Story Mode could have alleviated this to an acceptable degree.

[@CSPRING101]

Arms’s character design and roster is outstanding and undoubtedly the best part of the game. I cannot understand where you’re coming from when you say it’s bland, when it’s so creative and just plain good.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Ikr.

[@powpowouchy5]

The gameplay is bland

[@DreadclawDragodonLive]

@@powpowouchy5 Pokemon is bland

[@powpowouchy5]

@@DreadclawDragodonLive oh i agree. But people seem to like it so eh

[@kevinfetters7040]

One of the things I always liked about ARMS is how neutral heavy it is, there aren't a ton of huge punish combos like most fighting games so it really came down to just being the best at spacing and ironic to its name, being good at footsies lol.

[@NepheneeGyattRizz]

Ye. Fair point but for people like me the most enjoyable part of many fighting games is optimising your punish combo's and your advantage state. Arms doesn't have an advantage state and because of that it sorta makes the skill gap between a new player and a decent player very small.

[@shayusu8317]

"Widely disliked game" Let me be that guy: says who? Smash fans who never played it? Everyone who I've heard played it had a good time. Its biggest problem was content or lack there of. Ended up being a fetal flaw.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I still love ARMS! It still has a Community too.

[@fryingmilk]

​@@ARMSStudyLab Does it still have a community as of now? I suddenly remembered this game recently.

[@dapperblookanimations226]

The character designs are pretty amazing. If they dedicated themselves more to story I think it could have done better. Show us more of the ARMS world and character interaction.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

If you want to hear more about the Lore, listen to these: kzbin.info/aero/PLgfEq3MlFcxJyu0DCvd4jGtUptGsvLJkG

[@UnderwaterSpaghetti783]

Yeah. A story is all I’m missing with this game. Helix, Hedlok, and Springtron were all made by Dr Coyle, so could you maybe show us that? Maybe show a little more of Master Mummy’s hobby of searching for his dead family?

[@GravityTheGhost]

Short answer: No. Long answer: No, play it yourself. The game is much more than just punch like a maniac. There's tons of strategy, mindgames, and thought into the gameplay. Give it a chance. Especially when the sequel comes 😉

[@Zoroark_Master]

More like if a sequel came out. Nothing confirmed on that.

[@mk4-matt6290]

Arms is really great, its just that noone will buy arms if they have enough money to buy a nintendo game with more content.

[@neptune7160]

I hoper there's a sequel to expand on what the original lacked

[@Leo_Djax]

Personally I bought the game for 60 dollars a while back and now personally these days I enjoy the game more than smash bro’s. It’s not a popular opinion but hey that’s just how I feel.

[@garbotoxins840]

senky spitting big money science facts. Have some fruit at my parlor sometime.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

The ARMS community says “Hello!” I agree.

[@DADRB0B55]

The online is way better almost no input lag compared to other fighters.

[@yuri947]

I should replay, I dislike a lot about the Smash community

[@Midas526]

Yeah, hard disagree with two major opinions in this video: the character designs in Arms are legitimately excellent, and the gameplay at a competitive level is surprisingly interesting (Having sunk several hundred hours into both Smash Ultimate and Arms, Arms is legit the better competitive fighting game, IMO). The game could have used more content, agreed, and I hope they add some more in game mechanics in a sequel - some sort of combo system would be neat, and flesh out the story more, stuff like that. But, it’s got more going for it than most people think.

[@OzCroc]

@Robertino Tanos We don't care if you stare

[@empressfrozentoes5285]

I think arms is the better competitive fighting game because it's trying to be one, ultimate is more of a party game than a competitive fighting game, the competitive scene is a player made construct not intended by the devs

[@ARMSStudyLab]

@@empressfrozentoes5285 While I still love Smash, ARMS, especially competitive ARMS is always very interesting to watch, especially as someone who knows how the game works, and what it takes to win.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Ikr.

[@WorldOfWeebcraft]

You lost me at ‘bland roster’

[@ch1nmus1c16]

I used to play this game a lot when it came out but eventually everybody realised how overpowered the grab mechanic is, after that, all matches I played with my friends consisted only of grabs. If they could fix the grabs, I’d be very happy to return to the game.

[@VexAcer]

Grabs are really easy to counter though. Any punch will immediately break the grab. They also come out pretty slow too. Especially if they're spamming it, making themselves very predictable.

[@Cosmic_Coffee_Creamer]

Grabs are a death sentence in ranked, vs high level AI, and even most party matches so look out there.

[@ch1nmus1c16]

Me and my friends would usually play with 4 people (2v2), grabs were horrible in that. Even if you yourself were able to block grabs, your partner would always get caught in them, and then there was that annoying mechanic were if your teammate gets thrown, you get thrown too, and then you’re vulnerable. Especially if the matches are just grab spamming.

[@ch1nmus1c16]

I should have clarified that

[@Fuggettabouttitt]

Grabs leaves you hella open,

[@ARMSStudyLab]

The ARMS Community says “Hello!” I actually have over 1,500 Hours In ARMS (I make ARMS Tech Videos on my channel, so I Lab). To me, ARMS is like a Sport, like Tennis, it’s a simple concept, but it’s about mastering the Technique, Timing, and Knowledge of the Game. There’s actually a lot to learn: -Insta-Countering (Guard-Canceling) -Ducking under punches -Chip Damage to Shield Break -Weaken opponent’s Arms to break their shield easier, or deactivating their Arms -Farming Rush -Whiff Grab Tech -Boxing (Clashing Arms) -1-2-3 Hit Combos -Teleport Dashing -EMP Waves -Shockwave Deflects -Short Dashes/Hops vs Long Dashes -Dragon Cancels and Dragon Pokes -The width between the shoulders of the characters being different, so you need different curvature with your Arms -Healing Mind Games -Invisibility Mind Games -Pillar Mind Games -Misango Totem Mind Games -Actress Aura (Slowing down Punches) -Distance coming into play -Extension Speed vs Retraction Speed -Rush Deflecting -Arm Weight Classes -Arm Weight Classes in Rush Mode being different from in Normal Play -Knowing when to Rush, and when not to Rush. -Arm Girth Differences between Characters -Unblockable Moves -Yabuki Combos (Bouncing off Trampolines into Rush) -Widening Grabs by have Arms with different Homing Attributes on each Arm -Chaining -Confirming -Rush confirms -Barq confirms -Explosion confirms -Elevation Tricks and Manipulation -The thousands of different Arm and Fighter Combinations -I could keep going. A group called CasualARMS hosts online community events for ARMS every single week to this day. www.casualarms.net Most competitive play now is in Friendlies set up by Discord and such. Most Pros don’t play Ranked anymore, once they hit max bar. Also, from a lot of people that I’ve heard from, even KZbinrs who aren’t necessarily fans of ARMS, don’t mind ARMS being in Smash. Most think it’s a great fit, and were surprised that it wasn’t in the base game.

[@empressfrozentoes5285]

alright the character designs are pretty unique bro, like spring man looks like he auditioned for the role of colgate mascot and kid cobra is, something I think, I can't think of any other series that have designs as wacky and unorthodox as arms

[@aramugraciano3972]

I bought it after the trial and I love it. I'm playing it at the highest difficulties and it gets really competitive. Also the party crash was so much fun. The game entices you to get badges and unlock stuff from the gallery. I hope we get a sequel with better improvements and a somewhat story to connect with the characters.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Totally!

[@sephire25]

youre the first person i've heard say the designs arent good. The designs in this game are amazing

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Ikr.

[@Keenangraz]

I like how he started with helix but couldn’t stay away from “booty queen twintelle”

[@SparktehFox]

In my experience playing in ranked around the launch of this game, what makes the fighting more competitive is the movement options and strategy found by mixing different fighters with different arsenals rather than any combo system or special inputs. It's like a game of chess, where what piece is where makes all the difference.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

That’s what I’M sayin’.

[@supbro293]

this felt like a commercial for arms

[@Scionmaster5213]

I think ARMS isn't really that bad but it lacked in content. My ideas for an ARMS 2 whould be: -Faster movement -more attacks and combos -more party modes and over all more focused on that -more background story of the fighters and the game itself -a story mode

[@Obozo_Gaming]

Love ARMS, I have a lot of fun with it personally. The biggest issue ARMS has, I think, is how quickly Nintendo abandoned the game. If they added some more maps, characters, game modes, and "boxing gloves", I think more people would still be playing it today. Hell, they released more dlc for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe kinda out of no where. So why not ARMS?

[@Cosmic_Coffee_Creamer]

I love the game a whole lot but I understand why people don't like it that much.

[@levilanzl2389]

Same

[@Toonrick12]

There's also the issue that the world is interesting, but there's little lore or stories of the characters out of the ring. I think that if that Dark Horse comic book came out on time, like in late 2018, early 2019, ARMS would of been a bigger interest. The only thing we have outside the game is a Free Comic Book Day teaser. Given how many other things have been delayed, it's no doubt pushed back again. Really hope Ian Fylnn can shed more detail behind the scenes.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

I do think Nintendo should permanently lower the price. They have it in sale for like $20-$30 every other month. They might as well just keep it that price. My younger Sister was in 5th grade when Arms came out and her friends did want to play it everytime they came over, so I do agree it's bit of a party game. The main complaint everyone says they have with the game is there isn't enough variety, especially in Single player content. The second complaint is that it's extremely tedious to unlock all the Arms for every character.

[@KirbySwag]

8:37 even though Nintendo’s old games had discounts

[@ch1nmus1c16]

Beats getting another fire emblem rep

[@levilanzl2389]

It's kinda funny if you think about it: Most people love Three Houses, but they hated Byleth joining smash Most people don't like ARMS, but are excited to have an ARMS character in smash

[@yusefziayi3404]

short answer:yes long answer:yeah

[@billfusion]

I liked Arms! It's it doesn't have a lot content, but the gameplay is the reason why I like the game. Haven't played it in a while but it's still fun. Not worth $60!

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I personally disagree about Price, but I’ve put more than 1,000 Hours into it, so I’m biased. I know that if it was cheaper, it’d be attractive to more people, but I’ve definitely gotten my money’s worth.

[@themandalorian9511]

I really like it, it’s just incredibly overpriced. We need to stop basically telling Nintendo we’re okay with paying $60 for every 1st party game they make.

[@lavitod981]

Nobody is going to talk about the music? Seriously the music is a gem in this game especially the title screen music and it's underrated as heck

[@lurkingC]

Alija Lavihusna Adhari- Scrapyard and Ramen Bowl are my absolute two favorite songs in ARMS and I really hope they make it into Smash.

[@videospielesindkunst]

They did the same thing with Mario Tennis Aces and I don't get it. The mechanics were amazing, I had so much fun played ranked matches in the demo, but then there wasn't enough content. Even if I bought this amazing game now, I wouldn't be able to play competitively, because they killed it, just like they did Arms

[@ARMSStudyLab]

You can still play ARMS Competitively. It still has a Community. Nintendo are also starting to host ARMS Online Tourneys. It’s just more niche now.

[@jacobvand1792]

It felt unfinished for me. There was always an awkward silence after every match

[@cant_catch_3185]

I know this it’s really a new opinion but i do have to disagree on the character designs I like them. Not all of them but most are well made. I think the real problem is the character lack personality. And yeah there is character’s like lo lo pop and max brass but you don’t really get attach to them that much. I sort of realized this when they added the art gallery in the game and you started to see more and more about the fighter which really make me start to like them but it’s not in the main gameplay so it’s one of the bigger problem this game has among other things but I still like it but I hope it can improve with a sequel

[@Slimedrop_]

Arms is horrible. It’s fun, but the bots get so many unfair advantages. I’m not just saying this because I’m actual sh*t at the game, but I’ve literally looked at the speed of your character compared to the bot, and it’s legit unfair. I was in a match one time and the bot was pulling out the shield and putting it away FASTER THAN A QUARTER OF A SECOND TO DODGE MY ATTACK. Whilst you have time to read a 5 page essay before you are able to attack again after shielding. Some of the bots also had tiny as* intervals. The second they unshielded, their arms were already at my face. And before I can even throw something at them, their arms are already back at their character and blocking whilst my arms take 3 seconds to get back to me. Don’t even get me started with Hedlock.

[@narelleteejay2305]

I mean is just skill issue I thought the same when I started playing

[@BeeLy1011]

I don't know what you did wrong, but I usually find matches in 10 seconds. And sure, the game, at a glance, is lacking in depth, but once you start looking at the competitive scene, you can see how insane this game can actually get, with juggles, chains, "Yabukis", confirms, and more.

[@levilanzl2389]

I'm a huge fan of ARMS, and I've watched quite a few videos on the game and... I think you're the first person to say you don't like the character designs. Even people who HATE the game seem to like the characters. Like, I've seen a lot of KZbinrs who don't like ARMS but are excited to have an ARMS character in smash. I dunno, just seemed interesting.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Ikr.

[@RANima71498]

I’ve been waiting forever for ARMS to go up on sale so that I can buy it. I still have the demo and love it and the concept of the universe is interesting to me. But Damnit I wish the game would just go on sale already. I mean, Luigi’s Mansion 3 goes on sale semi-regularly and that’s a far more massive IP than ARMS.

[@segunthepikachufan1470]

Remind me of what happened to Mario Tennis Aces

[@papounator8843]

The only thing that tries to justify it's price tag is the fact it's a FIRST party game made on a Cartridge that costs 10x more to make than a Blu-ray disk. Most people who say it's a bad game are either Hardcore Fighting Game enthusiasts (Who play SF, MK, Tekken or even Smash.), People who haven't even played it or people who are still mad about it costing so much, the latter being very justified.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I still love ARMS personally

[@fox6919]

What?? Who even are you the characters are the BEST like what- I'm amazed the chatacter's are the so unique and the designs are amazing 🤦

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I know

[@skifffscaven8832]

ARMS was the first game I got with my switch back in 2018. I've had loads of fun with it before some of the more meatier updates, and even then I felt like the modes available made it worth the purchase. The continued content added just made it better and felt like part of the appeal. The only aspect of ARMS that I felt at all ripped off by was the fact that updates stopped just as the lore of the world was really clicking into place. I'd been foolishly hoping for an octo expansion type story dlc, I'd even pay for it, but I guess that's off the table.

[@Bears_64]

It's not a button masher. It's a arm swinger

[@ARMSStudyLab]

👏

[@15Seili]

I played the heck out of Arms from day one on. Was a good single player experience and played it a ton with friends as well. One thing, that stopped me from playing were the 2v2 matches. My and friend and i loved playing together so we decided to play online. But we could never enjoy it to the fullest because of the stupid rubber band mechanic. Having a 2v2 match while your movement is limited and tied to your second player is just a bad game design. After a while, we stopped playing because of that.

[@UltimateTS64]

ARMS is legitimately good and fun, but I think the thing that holds it back for me is that electric type arms are kinda busted. Maybe I'm not qualified to talk on this point since I don't keep track of the arms meta anymore, but from my experience, electric arms are kinda busted compared to other arms because if you charge them and land a hit, your opponent can't do anything so it's a free punish. So why choose any other type, when you can most likely have the arm you want, but with electricity, so you can stun your opponent for free punishes? I just feel if electric arms either were heavily nerfed, or removed entirely, it'd encourage more experimentation and diversity in arm types. But I know people are gonna just be like "well get good and don't get hit", but that's just what I think

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Not many competitive players actually use Electricity. One disadvantage Electric Arms have, is that they are generally the slowest Arms in the game. They may be powerful when a Charged Hit connects, but actually connecting the hits before the opponent can dodge away or counter, may be a problem. The ‘Sparky’ Glove Arm is one of the least used Glove Arms for this reason. It’s really slow. Plus the fact that if an unarmored opponent jumps, the Electricity doesn’t take affect. The opponent just gets knocked to the ground without any shock. It also doesn’t deal as much damage as other Elements. In fact, every Electric Arm has at least one glaring weakness. ‘Thunderbirds’ are really the only more frequency used Electric Arm.

[@kennardthenon-youtuber9944]

Really the only reason people said that it was bad is because an arms character was revealed for smash

[@guillermososa3840]

I'm agree with the fact that arms it's better as party game than a competitive game but I love character designs I really liked

[@Farrow1990]

Arms is a great game and found myself playing it more than other fighting games. My main gripe is it needs more content but I do feel Nintendo is holding back for a sequel. I've only heard complaints since the smash announcement.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

It’s really Fun!

[@Sonicice24]

I don't think Nintendo will make an ARMS 2.

[@nathanz128]

I don't get it.... The ARMS character seems like a perfect addition!!!

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I know

[@yakovhadash]

arms is fine it’s just too expensive for most people. for $20-30 it would be huge

[@Sibree]

Arms was attrocioud when I had the game back in 2017

[@Spicy3ango]

I liked arms but the Party games and ranked matches there’s always that one person who spam grabs and I feel like this game will get stale after one months or even two weeks

[@captainyasopp154]

I played the demo like 4 times and i was really considering getting this game but the combat is so dull and repetitive i just cant pay 60 for it.

[@VictoryReviews]

I love ARMS but even I had to pick it up for $40 because its really not worth $60

[@youngkingdom8131]

Just got it for my 5 year old son. He absolutely loves it and plays with the neighbor kids every day. Not sure how this game has been poorly reviewed.

[@edwinmurillo8024]

You didnt find matches couse all players that remained on ranked are in the higher ranks. And its more deep competitively than you all think

[@twilighttoast01]

ARMS I agree is definitely not worth $60 but I still had a lot of fun with it personally. If anything I love the ARMS roster of fighters, their designs I feel are very fresh for Nintendo. I do think their inclusion in Smash feels very forced but I do admit I think Nintendo really tried with ARMS. They just failed in execution in many different ways.

[@MentaAzul]

Bro really said the character designs are bland 😭😭

[@CroakPad]

My disappointment in this game comes from the lack of offline single player content.

[@AustinH7]

Oh... arms characters in smash bro’s.... nice. :(

[@bingus_violet]

Whats wrong with ARMS in smash bros??? is it ruining everything somehow???

[@froakie1404]

I think the game isn’t bad, but it just lacks so much content and gameplay variety. Every character kinda feels similar to one another besides their grab and speed, especially since they can all use the same arms. Just not enough depth and content for a 60 dollar game

[@lovedcreation]

I see your opinion but I think if you put your controls in with B to Jump A to Dash and Y as Shield and with the Triggers being Punching it will be the best game ever

[@dragonjames4500]

I look forward to arms in Smash

[@CustomGamesStudios]

I can’t believe this game is still $60

[@rjavon136]

Arms is good I love the aesthetic of it but it does get tedious

[@Missing-Ace]

Arms was the second game I ever got for my switch

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Nice

[@vorpalblade6525]

I agree with you on the price. $60 was asking for to much while offering to little, like 1-2 Switch (which shoud've been $15). I would have easily bought it at $30. I also agree that the characters are kinda bland for the most part, though my biggest gripe is how every fighter could use every ARM (don't know if this ever got changed), it made the characters even less unique. 10:14 I never bought it, but played the hell out of those Test-Punches before it launched and had a lot of fun with it. I don't think it's a bad game, just a not very content rich game, especially if you were to ever compare it to Nintendo's other party fighter, Smash Bros.

[@YourBuddyBrady]

Hmm I gotta disagree with you on the designs. Simplicity is sometimes the best route & i think that it works great in ARMS. I can't believe you didn't touch on the music, I was really surprised when smash Ultimate came out & there was no arms music.

[@gatst7680]

Let's hope we get some good ones with whoever it is

[@ma99954]

theres two things everyone can agree on that kick ass in arms: the music and the character designs

[@valletas]

One thing is to be simple another is too be bland There is also overly design like in castlevania judgement

[@Wallie33.]

Gameboy224 Well with Byleth we surprisingly didn’t got that many songs even if they owned the rights so hopefully with arms we get way more tracks at least.

[@Wallie33.]

Gameboy224 Fair point I guess

[@RC32Smiths01]

I believe it's a fine and decent game on it's own. I think the whole idea of ARMS being this worthless title from Nintendo is quite simply because of Smash, but honestly that's comparing Apples and Oranges. ARMS is sort of its own game, and a nice one at that. But yeah it could have been added onto and improved more to be a better game

[@Zoroark_Master]

More that splatoon2 overshadowed it

[@Bennieboy918]

Eragor the Kindhearted splatoon is the shooter of nintendo and one of the best shooters at that

[@ma99954]

2:29 WHUUUUUUUUUUAATT??? you're kidding right? the character designs in this game are fantastic! wow hard disagree 2:56 ARE YOU KIDDING???? helix??? bro im done with this video cmon son

[@levilanzl2389]

Up until now no one had claimed that the designs were bad. And even the game's biggest haters LOVE Helix

[@levilanzl2389]

@@terreausore2435 Basic, yes... but still iconic. I mean no one could forget a face like that!

[@mr.mcklockwork3828]

@@terreausore2435 what other blob of goo *Squeak speaks *has helixes for arms *a digital visor *lipps

[@-._____-]

7:22 Ironically, the same thing could be said about Smash.

[@stripedrajang3571]

Well said.

[@javierquinterosurzua2767]

I disagree and agree at the same time help mom Im confused

[@FloppyFiona]

I mean besides the new fighters and the story mode, it isn't much different from the Wii U game.

[@goldie7255]

Yeah, Sakurai has gone on record to say that Smash is a Party Game rather than a competitive fighting game like Street Fighter. But the community has been fighting that ideology since Melee. :/

[@obi-wankenobi4337]

Well not really. It's a party game through and through. The whole competitive aspect was somthing the community established. Design wise, Smash is a party game and it really shows

[@Alias_Anybody]

This needs a better sequel, I mean it's the first one of its kind. Let's call it ARMZ.

[@levilanzl2389]

I could get behind that title

[@scroogemcfuck8110]

Nah, that would result in lots of confused grandmas.

[@KuddlyKung]

Arm2

[@UltimateTS64]

I believe they mentioned making a sequel some time ago. I can't remember where I heard that, so I can't really lead you to it though

[@RetailEmployee]

2 arms

[@iznax9]

Arms is probably the most understated Switch game. It's a game that looks and runs perfectly both in TV and handheld mode, and also plays perfectly with split joycons motion controls and with traditional controls. It also has the Nintendo signature traits. It is very simple and intuitive but it also has a lot of depth. It also has a very strong and unique character in terms of presentation (visuals, art stile, music etc.) and in terms of gameplay.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I agree!

[@gaminglakitu]

I totally agree. It has tons of character and charm that flew under the radar

[@iznax9]

@Gameboy224 I totally agree on both. The main complaint that it lacks in content is very true. But in a fighting game that 99% of my time is just playing online and or multiplayer, I don't really care.

[@felipetartas5434]

Exactly. ARMS is the perfect fighting game for anyone who dont want to memorize any hard button combination and still wants some depth.

[@trevormalcolmson2002]

It’s a great game, and has stood the test of time and has a decent online presence.

[@TROBassGuitar]

It seemed alright, it just didn't seem to have the same pull as other games

[@harparp7205]

there aren’t many people because you have a low rank anyone with a good rank can easily find people

[@Mmmeeee4]

Than it's still a big problem.

[@garbotoxins840]

@@Mmmeeee4 yeah, that means it's really shitty for new players trying to get into the game.

[@CombatSportsNerd]

Garbo toxins Yeeeaaahhh in hindsight that was a bad call

[@omgray]

I, too, must disagree with you on the character design. I think they look unique. What other game has characters that look like Arms characters?

[@ARMSStudyLab]

Ikr.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

You're actually the first channel I've seen dislike the character design. Every other channel said the characters are the best part of the game. I guess part of it is they compare the character design with other Nintendo IPs and in that department they think the characters are Unique.

[@AlecMeyer94]

Arms is actually a pretty fun hidden gem. I would really love a sequel.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I agree!

[@MisterInevitable]

I recently played it when it was free for a week and it's not a bad game, but I also can't see myself spending $60 on it.

[@HappySuperFace]

Let me guess, you spent 60 bucks on shit like animal crossing that doesn't even have content

[@therealsploge]

HappySuperFace have you even played any animal crossing? They have content that keeps you busy for hundreds of hours.

[@HappySuperFace]

@@therealsploge you cant play animal crossing for more then 5 minutes without time traveling LOL. It has no content

[@therealsploge]

HappySuperFace if you time travel in animal crossing and still spend hundreds of hours in it, that literally shows how much value the game has.

[@FloppyFiona]

I would buy the game either way.

[@sideeswipe]

It was an amazing game but it just needed more balance and content

[@levilanzl2389]

Ok, not being sarcastic, genuinely curious, what other kind of content would you add? I'd be all for new additions to the game, but when I look at what comes with the game as of the last batch of dlc we have: 15 fighters. seems decent for the first entry in the series. 2, 3, and 4 player matchups some interesting mini games ranked mode casual (party) mode and some of the more basic fighting game modes (like fighting 100 enemies) The campaign mode could definitely be fleshed out, but honestly the average fighting game's idea of a story mode is usually just more of the same with flashy cutscenes. I guess you could have 'objectives' like defeating an enemy under a shorter time limit or a mode where you can only use certain ARMS, but I don't know if that would be enough to bring in newer players.

[@levilanzl2389]

@Gameboy224 It WOULD be interesting to see how they would do a ARMS hub world.

[@CombatSportsNerd]

Gameboy224 Love to see constructive ideas in the KZbin comments section. Great ideas dude

[@sweet_sukeban4022]

ARMS was the game that sold me on the switch. Brought back memories of playing virtual on. And the competitive scene in japan kept me playing hundreds of hours. And it only got better with every update. The character designs, music and gameplay were awesome. Still consider this the best game on the switch.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

I agree!

[@levilanzl2389]

I love the Nights into Dreams profile pic! Also I like ARMS too

[@JETEP3]

I saw the title and was like, "Is this a re-upload from 2017?" 😂

[@Moss_Dude]

Arms needs a price cut, and SNIPPERCLIPS is just a straight up rip off.

[@bingus_violet]

@miles scull I guess we will never know

[@flippinfluff6778]

I think that the character designs are actually pretty cool. I think that the first five are kinda bland, but I think that the DLC fighters especially have some fun designs. Not to mention they all have their own little gimmick, and characters like Misango and Helix are much more fun to play because of it. Just my opinion.

[@hudsonc466]

No it’s not, this was before I watched this , and honestly arms was on of my favorite 2017 games, along with splatoon 2 and persona 5

[@Cosmic_Coffee_Creamer]

The reason theyre mad about ARMS is because they have no legs to stand on!!

[@IcyDiamond]

Excarius hahaha

[@thesalamanderking3475]

You see so much of "ARMS is dead" and "ARMS is shallow" and "ARMS shouldn't be played competitively" but it's all said by people who have little-no experience with the game. The sheep normies jumped on the ARMS hate train before it even released, and the people leading those sheep were people who played the demo and didn't immediately see the game's depth and strategy. ARMS is unlike any other fighting game, so if you're familiar with traditional fighters you will have no idea where to look when it comes to depth. Instead of actually trying to find it, they just claimed it didn't exist. In my opinion, ARMS is a phenomenal game and I much prefer it to Smash. I cannot play Smash for more than about an hour without boring myself and switching back to either ARMS or Splatoon. I don’t know how you can think the character designs are bland. These are some of the most creative and original fighters I’ve ever seen. A skateboarding snake livestreamer? A green goo monster? A ramen dragon girl? These are bland characters? I can understand thinking Spring Man isn’t super unique, but the rest of the cast is crazy. Just my thoughts.

[@levilanzl2389]

Looking over the comments, I don't think I've seen this much love for ARMS in a long time. Usually when I say I like the game, the video game police slap me on the wrist and tell me something along the lines of 'ARMS is bad because it's boring and boring because it's bad'

[@WaxxyVanderquail]

Hey so I'm a big fan of traditional fighting games, and the depth is one of the reasons for that. I spent about 30-40 hours on Arms and ended up selling it in favor of getting FighterZ. So my genuine question is, where does the depth in Arms come from?

[@levilanzl2389]

@@WaxxyVanderquail The main aspect of course revolves around how you combine your chosen gloves with your character's attributes. Lola Pop with a funchuck and biffler can play VERY differently from Master Mummy with a megaton and slapamander. I main Lola Pop, and one time this guy was killing me with a boomerang glove. What I ended up doing was using my air shield to: dodge away from his left arm, absorb the blow from his boomerang arm, and attack his right side as the boomerang arm took a moment to retract. I lost to him a lot after that, but it FELT so good to seem him struggle for a match or two.

[@levilanzl2389]

@@WaxxyVanderquail If you are curious enough, this channel has a lot of good in-depth stuff that goes beyond what I could tell you. kzbin.info/door/TZKwYfg185LNBgAif4bT_Q

[@skepticaltile]

This game would be amazing if it was $20 or $30 but the problems come with it having a B list game content but also an A list game price tag.

[@mariokarthero1997]

My take on ARMS: While ARMS had potential and it wasn't a bad game, the gameplay was kind of uninteresting to me. It had the same appeal as a mobile game to me, where I could play it for a few minutes to an hour and put it down and even then, I have played better mobile games in comparison. I tried the ARMS trial on Switch and back then I would've bought the game on a sale back then, but in a time when the likes of SSBU, Dragon Ball FighterZ and the BlazBlue games exist on Switch, I'd rather play those over ARMS because again, the gameplay in ARMS is fundamentally uninteresting to me. Great concept, ho-hum execution imo.

[@dappitydingdong1219]

I was playing arms a couple days ago and matched with someone in ranked within 20 seconds. Maybe Europe just loves arms.

[@replicant9003]

Europe still has a fairly active ARMS scene and runs regular tournaments. Europe does love ARMS :) But for real I can imagine it's very difficult to get a ranked game when starting from the very beginning. You're only matched within a few ranks of yourself, and a lot of the active players are at the higher end of the ranked system these days.

[@NautilusXO]

I agree with most of your points, but couldn't disagree more about the characters. I played two or three times during the trial just to give it a shot like you did, and to me almost all of the characters have memorable designs or personalities, certainly more (as a percentage at least, because 15 truly is sparse) than other games like Tekken or Street Fighter. The only franchise it wouldn't beat in that category would be Soul Calibur tbh

[@conorhalliday1089]

Nintendo has a bad habit of sticking absurd prices on smaller titles like ARMS, Mario Tennis and a few others. These games are good, just not worth retail price for most people.

[@empressfrozentoes5285]

yeah I mean arms doesn't look awful but it's not a 60 dollar game, I picked of breath of the wild for 50 bucks and it's pretty blatant which the better game is

[@averypatrick5279]

It's cool in concept, but weak in execution. Each character feels like a semi clone of each other, with very basic differences like "hold jump to do something cool" or "hold dash to do something cool". Other than that, it's literally just "punch". There isn't much content to keep me playing either. That being said, I'm excited to see this in smash.

[@ARMSStudyLab]

The same could be said about a game like Mario Tennis. It’s like a Sport, it’s about mastering the Technique, Timing, and knowledge of the game.

[@averypatrick5279]

@@ARMSStudyLab hence why I was never able to get into Mario sports games. Many nintendo multiplayer games have so much do actually do. Smash has a massive roster and so much side content, and splatoon 2 has two campaigns, a bunch of modes, and a bunch of unique weapons to constantly experiment with.

[@levilanzl2389]

I've played against some online fighters who I couldn't even touch. There is a real depth to the mechanics, a combination of certain gloves and character traits that can bring out some cool gameplay.

[@averypatrick5279]

@@levilanzl2389 as a more casual players, I can appreciate that, but it won't keep me playing the game long. Like I said above, smash constantly keeps me coming back with its plethora of side content and a roster where almost every character feels unique. ARMS just doesn't do it for me.

[@levilanzl2389]

@@averypatrick5279 Yeah, I like ARMS but there's no way it can compete with smash, I can't think of a fighting game with as much content as smash

[@UniversalJuan]

"1-2 Switch should have been a pack in game" *cue people bitching about how the Switch could be 249 it wasn't packed in with this "garbage" game* On topic: Arms is pretty sweet. I've yet to get it myself. Settling with demos and trials, lol. Really hope Twintelle is the rep for Smash

[@pikmino3288]

As someone with over 1000 hrs with the game, I gotta disagree with what you say about the game not having too much complexity. ARMS is a 3d arena fighter, so comparing it to traditional fighting games is kinda pointless. There are many hidden layers to the game's basic mechanics that only those who seek to improve will take notice of. I'm not gonna be a blind fan and say ARMS is flawless. In fact, I completely agree with people when they say the game was lackluster at launch. A proper story mode would have been a welcome addition! I also get the impression you didn't check out the multiple things that were added to the game since launch (since you didn't mention them in your video). Things like tournament mode, Party Crashes (online events and arguably what most consider ARMS at its best), badges (achievements), gallery artwork, and the intricate lore of the game. People also complain about the low amount of characters but forget the notorious amount of ARMS + character combinations available. In my opinion, ARMS is not a bad game but also not a perfect one. It is a game with concepts that have room for improvement. It's also a bit too much to expect a game in a sub-genre of a niche genre to be a system seller. The game did well sales-wise (2.47 million copies) for a new IP. If you didn't like ARMS' gameplay that's fine, it's just not your type of game/cup of tea. Anyways, those were my two cents.

[@deathminer5411]

Same, arms is one of my favourite games and I’ve unlocked all the arms for every character and the duplicates

[@Thenumber1yoshi]

Ok strong disagree with you about the roster being bland, maybe in terms of how they play but I've even read comments on KZbin and twitter from even people who dislike the game say that the character designs are one of the few things that they actually like about the game to the point where they even say that they wished the designs were used in a better game and one of the few reasons why some people are happy about it getting a Smash Rep is because they can enjoy the character designs in a game they actually like and it's one of the few reasons people actually argue for the character to be in a similar situation concerning alts in the game to be more akin to Hero or Bowser J.R. and the Koopalings since they want as many of the characters and their designs to be in a game they actually enjoy, and to write off every one of them except Twintelle which I know why you did but you'd be surprised how much of the other characters have their fans as well such as Min Min, as she's got as many people pulling for her to be the Smash rep as well.

[@pickledgarf]

Looks like the dislikers have notifications on

[@greencapzelda372]

7:16 Smash is also both a party and a fighting game so I don't think that is the problem

[@Thenumber1yoshi]

Yeah but I think a sequel might improve things, I mean the first Smash Bros. on the N64 was very similar to how ARMS was at least content-wise, it wasn't until Melee that Smash Bros. got to where it was with being a content packed series with tons of modes, I'm willing to let them give it a second go before I declare that there's nothing about this IP worth salvaging, you know aside from the character designs.

[@greencapzelda372]

@@Thenumber1yoshi Yeah if they would flesh out both the party and the fighting aspects it definitely would have a big appeal

[@gameswithtoasty3246]

ARMS was never bad. It's a fun, well made fighting game that unfortunately lacked content. I hope nintendo push a sequel and put more effort into giving it some legs.