Is C1 Wormhole Ratting in Frigates Worth It? || EVE Online

[@chrisklugh]

This was the video that encouraged me to take my Alpha into WH PVE. Thanks!

[@captainbenzie]

Awesome!!

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

C1 are not worth ratting... wtf there's only 1 combat site and sometimes data/relic unsecured sites. That isk is literally lower than doing L4 missions C1 wormholes are for Pi and Industry (Mining Ore and setting up POCOs and drrills for Moon Mining) i literally live in c1 atm, and have other c3's wh's with my few mates. Yeah theyt are def not worth it for combat... like i sayd C1's are mining and Pi. mostly there's little connection into it , so its relatively "safe" to even afk mine... throw up a mobile warp disrupt and afk mine in a retriever salvage is completley pointless as its only 1,1-1,2mil lol you gonna rekt in a Perimeter Camp with frigate. i resulted in using light drones, cuz hammerheards just get shredded from the npcs , so you can imagine how hard the ships will hit frigate using anything larger than light drones requires remote armor reppers to keep them alive , getting hammerheads popped so much, the cost of drones will be as much as the sites earn lol, if u dont micro them hard lol @ low dmg... Praxis in 50% shield down , every single time (since i dont bother turning on shield boosters , cuz free repairs in astrahus) c1 combat site and c2 combat site difference is very small, but rewards are way higher in c2... well i couldnt tank them in Gnosis , tried to seal other ppeople wh sites :D (i maybe misread and went to c3 and c4... had to warp out 3 times with Gnosis) ... but c1 is pretty decent to learn how wormhole space works indeed.... what the classaifcations are... whjat Designations lead to where etc... if u dont bookmark returns... you literally will get lost in space..... :D ive literally memorized my c1 designations :D that J244 leads to lowsec and can get to empire there. N110 will lead directly to highsec. K162 generic wh exit etc... new players need to learn these things.... Or they will accidentally like go into c4-c6 and get fcked up :D

[@chrisklugh]

@@Microphunktv-jb3kj In my experience with my Alpha, C1 are worth more then C2. I've got a Brutix fit that that can run C1 sites faster then anything I can get out of a C2. I found the incoming DPS in C2 and the time to kill the rats vs the value of loot to be less. Loot/hour for me was noticeably better with 'less risk' in C1. The trick to C1 is to bliz them as fast as plausible where my bottle neck is waiting for the MTU. So think not high sheet dps, think anti frig BC. Run a dual 150mm with tracking/webs. Oh, and I tested a lot of other BC's, this ones the best. The only way I figure running C2 would be better would be buying ships multiple times more expensive. Really pushing what Alphas can fly as you got to put the ISK into the ship to which I think the ISK/RISK ratio is not worth it.

[@haraldw.1369]

Finally a video for people between day one and day 100. Thank you!

[@captainbenzie]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@HugeCoffeeAddict]

As someone who has lived in wormhole space for about a decade now, I can assure you a drake fits into c1 wormholes. Mass limit per jump on c1 holes is 62,000t, which allows all battlecruisers, and even the nestor pirate battleship can fit inside, due to its abnormally low mass. But I do agree that it should be worthwhile to do c1 anomalies with frigates and destroyers.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah, the aim was just to showcase cheap(ish) fast, small ships 😊

[@copperknight4788]

Battlecruisers are bearly larger than cruisers. You can bring your Drake to a C1 I have done it.

[@captainbenzie]

I assure you that it's no longer possible. Size (Signature Radius) isn't the issue, mass is.

[@eviekouvo4328]

All C1 holes allow ALL BATTLECRUISERS

[@jono_cc2258]

@@eviekouvo4328 not played in a while but it used to be that a Nestor with no plates could jump into a C1

[@eviekouvo4328]

@@jono_cc2258 yah they changed it, they now allow 62,000 in instead of 20,000. and before you could always just offline plates then online them

[@chunkyinspace999]

Took multiple dreks and tengus into a c1 last night, its a medium wh not a small

[@ugib8377]

Tac Dessys are perfect for these. Bigger hold to contain more MTU's. Run one, drop MTU, run next, drop mtu. Pick up first, rinse repeat. Not to mention the flexibility to swap Sharpshooter/defensive/Nav modes depending on what you need. Defense towers 50km out? Sharpshooter and nuke em. Bad spawn or kill trigger too early? Defensive mode to turtle up and keep fighting. And finally the obvious point of, Tactical Destroyers basically can fit an expanded probe launcher for free. (And if you're really sneaky, a Fessor can fit a cloak too!)

[@captainbenzie]

True, but they're also a LOT more expensive!

[@ugib8377]

@@captainbenzie Not terribly. You said here that your assault frigate fit costs about 60mill. My Jackdaw fit sits at 85mill with all t2 where grid/cpu allows. And at 330dps projected out to 55km with Sharpshooter up, it would make quick work of the entire site. Worth considering moving forward!

[@jaredbarton8456]

old video comment, but I was just looking at this as an experiment. With this particular fit, it is actually CHEAPER to use shadow serpentis membranes (at least at time of writing) by quite a lot compared to T2, for some stuff T2 is NOT the cheapest option. It also helped me get more CPU out, because with some other changes I made it was very close.

[@captainbenzie]

Excellent! Glad you've found a way to make it even better!!

[@kr4ftt]

Hey! Do you have clips of near encounters or even losses? If so, would you mind creating a compilation? I think that would be interesting

[@captainbenzie]

Thanks for the idea!

[@docmichar]

Thank you, I definitely wanted to start somewhere, so this was a great video. Thanks

[@captainbenzie]

Hope you enjoyed and good luck!

[@docmichar]

Some of us want to start at the beginning, C1 if for nothing else than to just experience it and move up to the harder stuff.@@captainbenzie

[@pamamermolou378]

I’m gona have to barrow these fits. Thanks, playing in frigates is always fun

[@captainbenzie]

Have fun!

[@memitim171]

They really should do something with C1s, other than practice for higher class or just for the hell of it, there's really no reason to be doing these when you can make 100m/hr flying a wreathe in homefronts.

[@captainbenzie]

I do agree. C1s are a little bit niche right now.

[@darkarcanum1814]

Thanks, time to give this a try.

[@captainbenzie]

Good luck!

[@mrhooke_gamer4077]

Nice reel Capt.

[@captainbenzie]

Thank you 😅

[@HussainAkbar]

How do you identify the class of a WH? Leading to unknown space means C1 or C2? All sites inside would be same level?

[@captainbenzie]

"Leading to unknown" means it's a C1/2/3. Once inside, there are numerous ways. Site names are unique to a class, Tripwire/Pathfinder will tell you (if you use those - which you should), and the constellation name will tell you too. Axxxxxx for a C1, Bxxxxxx for a C2, Cxxxxxx for a C3

[@auriman5146]

to add to what the captain has said. Leading to unknown. look at the WH and swing your camera around it. if u see a red/maroon cloud in it then its a c3. cloud can be on the opposite side you are on so make sure u swing it all the way around. c1/2 will be just white/black and c1s will only allow smalls into it. and if its not small restricted and no red cloud in it then its c2.

[@HugeCoffeeAddict]

The trick to finding specifically C1 wormholes is if the wormhole says it allows medium sized ships it's always a c1, unless you're already inside a c1. (as all non-frigate wormholes connected to a c1 are medium sized, and medium size isn't used for any other wormhole types)

[@DougDibrimi]

For us T1 ppl, how close does a DD come to the performance of an assault frig in these situations? Like a rocket Corax or a rail Cormorant compared to the Hawk?

[@captainbenzie]

By DD you mean Destroyer, I assume, not Daredevil? C1s can be run on a Corax, Cormorant or other T1 Dessie, but you'll want a solid fit. Arbalests, that kind of thing, not "Light Missile Launcher I" etc.

[@kr4ftt]

@@captainbenzie DD is the naval denomination of destroyer :) in a 2 letter config it stands for "destroyer destroyer", it's this way because we have CL and CH for example, cruiser (light) and cruiser (heavy), DE for "destroyer escort"...

[@kr4ftt]

Funnily engouh, CV does not stand for "Carrier vessel", it's from the French voler, "to fly", and the C is cruiser

[@moreteaplease8942]

@@captainbenzie Sure, I've seen your vids, but I was interested in your comparison of the ships. Assume meta 4 for everything on both ships and no assault damage control on the frig, which in your opinion is the stronger ship?

[@captainbenzie]

@@moreteaplease8942 at meta 4, and assuming 4 in skills, the Hawk is going to pull ahead, but not by a HUGE amount.

[@eviekouvo4328]

BC is the largest and Nestor is uniquely small so it too is allowed through. So If you can fit BCs in and even a Nestor why limit yourself to slow clear speeds of a frig. Then you gotta ask yourself if you can do a BC or Nestor why not C3 or C2s

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah, that's why frigates. Cheap option for newer players. Not everyone can fly a Nestor... And many of the C1 holes do NOT allow BCs.

[@eviekouvo4328]

@@captainbenzie all C1 holes allow BC and you can do C1 sites in a caracle

[@sir_slimestone3797]

@@eviekouvo4328 some people really like flying frigates, and maybe some people got bored of doing abyssals

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

@@captainbenzie every c1 static to kspace will allow battle cruiser in.

[@davemeiser521]

Which do you think is better for wh mapping Pathfinder or Tripwire and why?

[@captainbenzie]

I've used both, and both are great. That said, I personally prefer Tripwire. It takes less initial setup, sure Pathfinder has more features but I never needed them, and Tripwire is still actively developed (and supported by CCP via the Partner Program)

[@gabriellovin7227]

But is moon mining different in. C1 compared to a C2 or C3?

[@ottomcannick7698]

Would a nergal be effective? As my kiki would be overkill.

[@captainbenzie]

Nergal works but is significantly more expensive than a Kiki. Kiki runs C1, C2, C13, and C3s

[@eviekouvo4328]

Caracle is easy

[@ottomcannick7698]

@@captainbenzie thanks for the heads up. Might need to bring my little chicken imp out for some fun in jhome

[@thebuddy4517]

overkill is fine for wh ratting, kiki is cheaper than nergal too so even better

[@ottomcannick7698]

@@thebuddy4517 thank you. I guess that solves itself.

[@jasonervin6541]

Hello Captain o7 just wanted to know can I send you a fit to check out?

[@captainbenzie]

Of course

[@Darkfie1d]

So, I wanna know what sort of sites an Alpha clone versed in the Caldari ship culture can run, no Tech II or III's. Everyone always have videos and guides for Tech II/III, I can't get into any of those for months.

[@kr4ftt]

In a cormorant I believe you can run those... Maybe find a good wh type that benefits shields...

[@copperknight4788]

I rand a Drake and Drake navy. They struggle with application firing HAM's.

[@DougDibrimi]

@@copperknight4788 You can run rapid lights instead of HAMs, and the number of launchers produces impressive DPS (until the reload).

[@captainbenzie]

Consider a Corax or Cormorant for these sites. Though you'll want a solid fit. Training an Assault Frigate like the Hawk is very quick and easy to do, though.

[@eviekouvo4328]

Caracle is the easiest but drake is safer

[@sir_kettle3858]

👍

[@captainbenzie]

☺️

[@lonniefennel4024]

As usual, I love your video. I have a request for one if you have the time and inkling. I have several filaments from various sources but have no clue what to do with them. Can you help please?

[@mellogo1d191]

Basically there are a couple of different kinds of filaments. Some take uou to abyssal dead space. These are called tranquil/calm/agitated/chaotic etc. these will take you into an arena where ALL of the enemies must be killed before the 20 min time limit expires. If you fail these then you die - this includes your capsule. I’d advise you to start with tranquil ones which are the easiest. Other notable filaments are the noise and signal needle jack filaments which take you into a random null sec system. The noise supposedly take you to a quieter system whereas the signal ones take you to a busier system. These can be useful for getting into null sec for exploration purposes. The other notable filaments are the pochven ones. These will normally have names including a clade name in them. These can be useful for getting out of null sec in a hurry and back to the safety of hi sec by then using a different filament known as a glorification filament. Hope this helps..?!

[@lonniefennel4024]

@mellogo1d191 so, how does one use the filaments? Now I understand what they do and thank you for that. The only problem left is where does one use them? Can you just undock and use one after a certain distance or something like that, or do you use wormholes for the location? I've never used one so I am very much in the dark. Come to think of it, I don't recall them being in game when I tried Eve several years ago.

[@captainbenzie]

I've done quite a few videos on Abyssal Deadspaces. The one you're most likely to want is the one with the Tristan. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZCzdmCMpZqEq8U

[@mellogo1d191]

@@lonniefennel4024you can use them anywhere in K-space you just have to be further than 1000km away from any objects/celestials nearby I think it is 1000km anyway…I’d have to check though..!

[@Rapture9999]

What about using the AoE damage frig?

[@captainbenzie]

The Skybreaker? Probably not a bad idea, but a very expensive ship (both ISK and SP) for it.

[@achong007]

Still the bottom line is that it is all the high end fit if you want to survive at all. Not like a low skill person can do those sites.

[@mellogo1d191]

Absolute BS Bro. An alpha can EASILY do even C3 with a drake. Hell I was doing them after like three months of playing…!

[@captainbenzie]

Simply not true. I've showcased plenty of Alpha friendly fits in other videos.

[@Risk_090]

Can you give us a alpha version of the fit

[@captainbenzie]

No, as I don't know what skills and modules Alpha can use. Load the fit and just swap modules for Alpha equivalents ☺️

[@frankneumann247]

0.2 AU dscan setting? Why?

[@captainbenzie]

I had previously been hunting someone. I just forgot to put it back

[@frankneumann247]

@@captainbenzie ah, understood, thank you for the Info. I really love your videos 👍

[@captainbenzie]

@@frankneumann247 I'm glad you're enjoying! Thank you for your support!

[@TheCynysterMind]

Suggestion for a video.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How to Kill a Dread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok I was told that you can handle a Dread with a Purrifier a Cloak and a EM Torpedo Launchers... And I got off a shot and ran away... cloaked up swung around came back decloaked and fired and waited to see how much damage was done.... 10% shield damage aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand then I was Poofed! Do I really need to be in a dread to kill a dread?

[@mellogo1d191]

One purifier is not gonna kill a dread bro…you preferably need a dread of your own..!

[@captainbenzie]

One word: Fleet 😉

[@titaniummechsx3324]

I found multiple C1 and most of the sites are already cleared

[@captainbenzie]

Sadly can be the case, but keep at it!

[@titaniummechsx3324]

I just entered them out of interest. I clear C2s for isk (also is there a way to scoop up a MTU so I don’t have to buy one for every site)

[@stef7966]

Where's the pdf?

[@captainbenzie]

On the Catskull Discord. In the description

[@JoSSeSSRMBlues]

we really need 100% noob tutorials and stuf. Every "frigate only" video or fit i found uses high tech and expensive builds that i cant either afford to pay or flay cz the skill points. I have the feeling that EVE is just NOT WORTH for new players, and it just force us to create 4 or 5 accounts, let them "studying" for 5 or 6 months, and only then come back to the game. Isnt there any solution to this?

[@Chevalier_knight]

You can do abbssal and fw in a t1 frig and make alot of money per hour you cant just jump right into all content .

[@Chevalier_knight]

Also any good corp will help you run all the content the thing with eve is its not new player solo friendly its corp focused

[@Darkfie1d]

Same feeling, I've been flying with EVE Uni and now Signal Cartel and still can't get into a Tech II ship, can't afford a Gila either, everyone said Worm is good for T1 Abyssals and I barely got out of the first one I did with E-Uni recommended fit. I Have no idea how to do a T2/T3 Abyssal on a ship I can fly, did a T2 electrical in a Caracal, got insta deleted by 2 ships sitting over 60Kms away couldn't even reach close enough to target lock. My friends told me I have to do a spiral maneuver but I was too demoralized to re-fit and try. I dunno if I can do C3 WH on my Drake. You have to be trained for everything efficiently, have to do everything efficiently otherwise you're just wasting ISK instead of making it. Made more isk day-trading in Jita so far than anything else and I don't even have decent trade skill. All the cool ships require proper skill plan and training and they'll take months.

[@JoSSeSSRMBlues]

@@Chevalier_knight abys in low tec with cheap equip, low skills and cheap ammo is not fast. every tutorial means to rerun the T0 abys for an entire hour, and they just speedrun the site in 3-4 minutes. Obiusly, doing that for an hour is a way to make ISK. But if ur noob and u take 15 minutes to clear the T0 abys, u are not making efficient ISK. And its also extremely boring. Almost as boring as mining

[@kr4ftt]

​@@JoSSeSSRMBluesI'm feeling this in eve echoes atm, do anomalies, do anomalies, do anomalies...

[@adawg3032]

first!

[@captainbenzie]

🚀

[@MrTurd1337]

pathfinder>tripwire

[@captainbenzie]

Disagree on the simple fact that Pathfinder is not actively being developed. But to each their own. And frankly, who cares