Is Caliban FINALLY Worth Playing? | Warframe Rework Review & Build

[@GreytestGrey]

i'll give this to caliban , at least he is fun to play now, the lasers might not be a room clear but its fun to see multiple lasers flying across the room

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

I like him over all, style etc, but too many frames to play

[@XC11301991]

Ye, but Qorvex does bigger beam that actually kills.

[@UnsungPhoenix]

​​@@XC11301991 except Qorvex doesnt armor strip, and only crowd controls in corridors

[@dadshirt6681]

no its not fun to feel weak even if it looks good

[@GreytestGrey]

@@dadshirt6681 what you find fun is subjective, also i dont feel weak with caliban because he can crowd control a lot, strip armor and has a lot survivality with his sentients, and i get to spam the funny laser, its a fun break from the mindless insta killing everything prrssing one or two buttons

[@deejayf69]

I don't think in any other game people would call a character whose defining feature is summoning minions and casting nuclear airstrikes a weapons platform without admitting that they're weak. This is a crime against Caliban. Caliban should be the one committing crimes, not the other way around!

[@UnsungPhoenix]

Thats cause the people calling him a weapons platform haven't actually put much time into him or havent thoroughly looked at his abilities. I've legitimately made caliban a summoner knight with the build i have, and i can pretty much just sit there and let my sentient allies kill everything, whilst i refresh his 4 and use nourish

[@Xannyklause]

​@@UnsungPhoenixand what level of enemies are you playing against?

[@Fantoohot]

Curious as well, I have been cooking up builds to levelcap void cascade. Taking any advice atm and trying everything under the sun. Currently theorycrafting a 2 spam range build for safety idk need to stress test it.

[@Prof_Pangloss]

@@UnsungPhoenix what's the kills per minute with that build on a steel path kuva fortress survival run? If we're missing out on a summoner build that does real work, we need to compare it to the numbers that Brozime got in this play test. If we wanna be nitpicky you should use the same weapon loadout if you can.

[@UnsungPhoenix]

​@@Xannyklause300+ steel path, currently using him in void cascade

[@thehat8006]

Everyone just calls any frame a weapons platform if they can use the torid to kill things

[@KinaIchi]

It’s like the people who call a weapon good when they fully armor strip, fully prime, use 14 damage buffs, and a godroll riven. And still only kill the enemy in seven hits. A good example would probably be the AX rifle

[@sanguin3]

Same people who call Nova trash when she can fucking speed up the game and save you a lot of time.

[@spacerewriter]

TBF, the torid is a warframe platform

[@warflex8895]

If you can not build you can still play some like torid or other incarnons and theyll be strong anyway these days Calling the torid best weapon just shows how desperate the own building situation is

[@NuchiAsaki]

@@sanguin3 I have never seen anyone call Nova trash.

[@Triggerpug]

this sicarus video is sick

[@hokie0072]

😂

[@spacerewriter]

lol

[@MrWrightPlays]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but running Brief Respite instead of Energy Siphon would help with the summons regenerating shields; as soon as he has *any* shields, the summons will begin restoring more

[@BebRav3InGam3]

I think he has a couple of augur mods in his build. Wouldnt that be enough?

[@Ravengm]

@@BebRav3InGam3 Yes, it is. Same idea there.

[@djkacz6347]

Not this man wearing the "meh" shirt for the caliban video 😂😂😂

[@KodexKat]

Should’ve wore it for koumid

[@JohnSmith-ri2ed]

​@@KodexKatkoumei isn't mid, she's low

[@KodexKat]

@@JohnSmith-ri2ed fair enough

[@pancakes7483]

Tbf he sits on all frames that aren't Mesa lol

[@StarfieldDisarray]

The big problem with Caliban as a "weapons platform" is that he's become a "weapons platform" less because his kit is notably good at supporting that playstyle and more because his numbers literally don't allow him to do anything else. As a "weapons platform" he's either straight up inferior to other options or just doesn't do anything actually interesting with his weapons. Tau status on paper seems neat but it's not going to move the needle and make bad weapons good like, say, Garuda can and already good weapons do not need it.

[@pythonxz]

He's definitely no Zephyr, that's for sure. She's a disgusting weapons platform.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

@@pythonxz Zephyr continues to be the strongest Warframe that nobody plays.

[@Fairuslolomg]

​@@StarfieldDisarrayAbsolutely OP warframe that almost nobody uses. She has infinite scaling on her 1 but she can also be the greatest weapon platform (even better than Saryn) but somehow she isn't popular

[@tako5018]

this is a common issue with warframe, made worse by some players ability numbers will be lacking, people will use weapons to compensate and convince themselves this makes a frame into a weapon platform

[@electricisnthereatthemomen6535]

@@StarfieldDisarrayhonestly I’m gonna be honest, I have no idea HOW to use zephyr and that’s why I don’t use her lmao

[@epsilon1572]

maybe one day the 100 energy cost ability that locks you in place, gives you i frames, and armor strips before doing damage will be more than just an armor strip...

[@provaricus627]

It’s a full defense strip; it takes away armor AND shields. Also, this is a movement game, just bullet jump and cast it while you’re flying, that’s what everyone does anyway.

[@youraveragechroma2139]

17:37 Hold on “humanity threatening beings”, we’re up against a Lancer here.

[@ecbrd8478]

can we have this one at the top actually

[@permeus2nd]

10:20 no he is clearly meant to be a caster/minions master but I’ve yet to see a dev that isn’t terrified of making a real minions master, wow has come close at points but they quickly nefred it or it was a bug and there weren’t meant to be that go.

[@obsidiancurse429]

D4 also has this problem, one season Necro minions are exactly what they should be, then they panic and nerf them next season. Then no one plays them, they get buffed and the cycle repeats.

[@Mattimation01]

@@obsidiancurse429 in all fairness the minions were stupidly strong that season, you could casually clear any boss with a halfway-put together build

[@obsidiancurse429]

@@Mattimation01 yeah but for me that’s the point of a minion build, they are your offensive skill, they should be able to clear all content. I agree it should take a good build and great gear but it should be within reach. I think devs are worried of the AFK potential of minions. They have no problem with weapons that melt SP but don’t want you to have summons that do the same.

[@aswani09]

To be fair, DE really needs to buff all of the giant laser beams in the game. They seem unwilling to give us powerful beams on Warframes at this stage. Even Vauban's & Wisp's (I haven't touched her 4th in ages) abilities don't do anywhere enough damage for being giant f*** off laser beams.

[@robertharris6092]

This. A loot of abilitys are gooe functionaly but just dont have the numbers to actually be useful. I want vaubans 3 to be a proper nuke so bad.

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

Qorvex’s has a fun mechanic, and I’d like to see that sort of creative scaling approach to a couple of them. I haven’t managed to mod it well enough to be a reliable solo kill tool Temuyet, though. Vauban laser like, auto firing and getting faster the longer enemies stay in the blast zone? It might still have to copy the damage from something in order to scale indefinitely like Magnetize does, though. (Mag is my general idea of a scaling nuke ability)

[@ElDocBruh]

"Weapons platform" meaning "desperately needs guns to do the killing because he straight up can't do it himself"

[@ParagonOblivion]

Counterpoint, weapons platforms validate the existence of the rest of your load out. It's not inherently a problem, imo, to have some frames not be "press a button and nuke 12 tiles", instead having you use one or more of the 3 other items in your kit. Cheers!

[@armaros820]

@@ParagonOblivion weapons platform warframes can make bad weapons usable in high end content, caliban is not one of them. he uses the meta guns to do the killing after hs uses his kit. Compare what he does with guns to gauss, or even saryn

[@ParagonOblivion]

@@armaros820 I didn't claim he was, I was merely debating that the above quotation felt like it asserted that warframes lacking killing power of their own were inherently less valuable than those who do. Just a bit of devil's advocate.

[@tommydashed4205]

@@armaros820 Gauss doesn't do more for guns than Caliban though? I'm not gonna debate that Caliban is better than Gauss as Gauss is my favorite and most played frame but Gauss isn't taking bad weapons to high end content either. Gauss can't even take bad melees to high end content and he actually buffs melee damage above just giving atk speed/fire rate. Gauss makes your good loadout better just like Caliban, he just has movement, and he can be played as a pure caster which is arguably his strongest build.

[@armaros820]

@@tommydashed4205 if you think that, your gauss is built terribly

[@italeteller5144]

It's genuinely insane to me that people can look at a warframe that self heals, does hard CC with damage vulnerability, summons minions with shield regen, strips all defenses and spreads status damage increase and still say "yeah that's not enough". Not every frame has to be a nuke. Not every frame has to be a press 4 to delete everything. Personally I'm having way more fun with Caliban now, though I wish his ult would still have the vacuum effect instead of the added damage. Try running shield regen mods instead of primed redirection, his sentients take him above 1200 overshields anyways so shield regen works better for him

[@whimsyloser4757]

You have to take everything Brozime says with a grain of salt. He judges a frames performance on the highest level content. Caliban is fine (though he could still use a few QOL improvements,) but it's a fact that he can't really compete with map clearing nuke frames in steel path. Also, Caliban does NOT increase status damage, he increases the chances that an enemy will be inflicted by a status effect.

[@coolgamer3646]

​@@whimsyloser4757he can't compete with nuking but his gonna the reason why a lot of squishy frames survive

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

@@whimsyloser4757 to be fair, the enemies in the mission were only level 135. Lancer survived.

[@WhimsyGaming]

​@@coolgamer3646 No? If you're playing a squishy frame in high level content and haven't build some form of survivability, getting up to 50% damage reduction (and only while in affinity range of caliban) is not going to save you.

[@whimsyloser4757]

@@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli yes, he needs weapons to kill things. That's not a flaw. Weapons are a part of the game and meant to be used. Would it be nice if the death laser could actually kill things? Yes! But as long as you've got decent weapons, he can still do most content just fine.

[@andrewroth3584]

I think this build is a huge miss. I got rid of his 2 and kept his 1 as emergency survivability. I still used Nourish, and went precision intensify to make sure his 4 is an armor strip. Where he really shines is his ranged summons and an elemental companion running around with them using contagious bond.

[@natefaires9302]

DE needs to put another 0 on the laser numbers

[@Prophes0r]

That would make Caliban WAY too strong for the earlier part of the game, and still do nothing outside of the very specific range Brozime shows. DE needs to make ALL abilities do Flat damage AND Percentage damage, because that is the only way to make them scale. Not every ability needs to decimate level 5000 enemies. But an ability shouldn't wipe a whole room of level 50 dudes in 1 cast, and do effectively nothing to level 250 guys.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@Prophes0r Caliban is only obtainable after new war anyway

[@mMayrro]

@@Prophes0r no one's buying this frame as a new player and you can only farm him after completing new war AND by doing some of the most shit bounties in the game. that's a shit excuse

[@braxtonyarborough8448]

​@mMayrro you just gonna forget he's completely free until the end of the month?

[@miss_bec]

​@braxtonyarborough8448 are you a medieval peasant who doesn't understand that the sky isn't falling and that the world will continue after a month?

[@Ravengm]

"His 2 is probably the most improved" ...what? The 1 is great now, it's free if you hit 4 enemies and completely refills your health and shields/overshields. If you ever hit shield gating just press 1 and you're back at full. Plus Tau status is great for a status-based weapon, and Ortholysts have a 100/300% chance to apply for their attacks. Based on how you're talking about your testing, I feel like there was a lot of testing in how to nuke with Fusion Strike (which yes, is not really a viable thing) and not as much in using the other abilities to their fullest.

[@Prophes0r]

The people calling Caliban a "Weapons Platform" don't know what that term actually means. Any frame can 'hold gun'. A _Weapons Platform_ is a frame that has (multiple) things that enhance/encourage gunplay in ways that ENTICE players to use guns. "Entice" being the important word. It is not the same as being forced to use a gun. But both can be true. Examples: Gauss can be a great weapons platform. They get knockdown resistance from 2, a 3 augment with BIG potential damage buffs[1], and their 4 also buffs weapons. Gyre, on the other hand, is NOT a weapons platform, despite using weapons in high level content. Gyre's abilities don't really make weapons better, even if they DO interact with them. Having a good weapon is required, and you use guns to kill things, but the enticement isn't there. You use them because you have to. [1] Almost no one I talk to about it understands that Thermal Transfer can apply BOTH the heat and cold weapons buffs at the same time. You just need to cast both versions. It CAN screw with people's elemental setups. But with even a little bit of thought it can be a HUGE damage buff for your team. A 250% strength Gauss can effectively add 500% blast damage to the group. And remember that it is Gauss' SUBSUME. Other frames that like big power strength and can afford to use a slot on an augment can see huge buffs. Like Wisp...

[@caligoola]

Very informative, thank you

[@cheezuschrist588]

Gyre is more of a hybrid weapon/caster similar to Saryn where their abilities buff their weapons and benefit from using them, but work with their other abilities too

[@Prophes0r]

@@cheezuschrist588 I wanted to pick 2 frames/builds that definitely used guns, to show the difference between the one that IS a "Weapons Platform" and the one that is NOT. Saryn has a Weapons Platform build. It just isn't common.

[@cheezuschrist588]

@@Prophes0r I just think the way you define it is too limited to frames with abilities that just buff weapon damage rather than have some other synergy with weapons. Zephyr, Wisp, Gyre, Saryn, Nova all use weapons as a key part of dealing their damage whether that's by using the weapon damage itself or shooting as a way to trigger/spread their ability damage

[@Vexnia]

The way I would classify a weapon platform frame is basically, can this warframe take guns that would normally not be able to perform in high level content and turn them into war crime machines, if yes then they are a good weapon platform, if not then they better be a solid caster otherwise they aren't good. That last category is what I feel like Caliban is, he doesn't do enough to make weak weapons actually shine and his abilities in isolation also suck.

[@jofipa9953]

I think the main thing is that Caliban is actually playable now, like his abilities at least DO something, he's a decent choice for disruption imo. He's just not the best.

[@heroicskeleton1566]

Yeah, he's actually really good for disruption. He could still use more buffs, always open for that. But I would no longer call him a bad frame

[@Mrtll]

Hes fine it's a thing with warframe content creators downplaying frames either there are the best thing ever or they're trash an idk why they're like that caliban is fine

[@sleihbeggey1992]

He's playable now. I'll give him that. The 1 is goofy as hell and I feel like a clown every time I press the button. The 4 'feels' weird.

[@zelskzerker2815]

Caliban isn't "just" a weapons platform. He is an everything platform. Throw down your pet, on call crew, stalker specter, whatever. He will make all of it deal more damage. Treating him like a debuffer and summoner has better results than trying to nuke with his abilities alone.

[@paulhyde3493]

You sure brought up Caliban a lot in this Sicarus build guide.

[@dankllamas6984]

The reason you feel like he has energy and survivability problems are because you're ignoring what his first ability can do. His first ability gives 25% energy back, which means if you hit more than 4 enemies you actually gain energy. Because the energy gained is based off a percent of the ability cost, running negative efficiency will give even more energy. His first ability also gives back shields even if they're broken, and it can also be infinitely spammed, which means he basically cannot die.

[@nugger]

and it heals

[@whimsyloser4757]

While I agree that his 1 fixes the survivability problem, it really needs to refund more than 25% of its cost per enemy to properly enable him. His 1 needs to hit 20 enemies to cast his 4 once. And sure, I can spin through the same enemies multiple times to get more energy, but I would like to spend less time spinning and more time winning. Also, negative efficiency does literally nothing. Yes, it gives back more energy, but it also makes his abilities cost an equivalent amount more to cast.

[@Orion_44]

@@whimsyloser4757 Which is why you pair it with Nourish over the two, this will multiply the energy back. You also get a better damage buff from Viral and Nourish's extra damage than you will with his 2, and it massively helps his minions.

[@cashgriffit7896]

Guys, just go all in with range and strength. Keep his 1 and replace nourish with his 2. If your shields break or you're close to have no energy, just use his 1. There is no point to keep his 2, they are all defense stripped in a very large radius and virus is spreading all over the place. Cheers

[@provaricus627]

His 2 increases the damage you deal to Overguard

[@cheeftnx97]

Man complaining about energy economy whilst using two of the slowest and worst energy sources in the game. Equilibrium solves half of your problems, flow and energize solves the rest. This video is as disappointing as Caliban's original kit.

[@mrj1897]

I’m not a big fan of this video. And it’s a good example of what stopped me originally from watching content creators like you. Don’t get me wrong, in terms of a meta guide, yes you make valid points that the meta rn is kills per second, every activity lately has been obsessed with this and it doesn’t seem to be shifting anytime soon. However, your arguments for why this frames rework was dissapointing is incredibly flawed and you aren’t building him in a way that allow you to deal with the issues you’re facing with him. 1) you’ve implied that your issues with using him comes down to his energy cost and his survivability. I’m aware you likely don’t mean it that you’re dying every few seconds, but you have highlighted these problems. Why did u replace his first ability then? That already solved the problem regarding energy and survivability Why didn’t you replace any other power that you clearly didn’t like, like y know… the fucking laser? 2) what’s considered a weapon platform to you? Because a weapons platform doesn’t necessarily have to be buffing the weapon itself, it can merely be debuffing targets for your weapons to deal higher damage. But if you don’t need it, why bother playing them? 3) your argument that “I can just use my incarnon weapon without needing to use caliban’s kit” is so stupid. As a test I ran Dante who’s still a potent nuke frame and decided to only use overguard. And then use a lot of mod slots for more health and tanking. My result? I do fine without using Dante’s nuke, snd do fine without any ability from Dante. Turns out all u need is a good weapon and the game is easy enough as is. See my point? How is this an issue for caliban and not the weapon balance as a whole? Weapons are now competing with our abilities and it’s not caliban’s fault that his kit doesn’t out dps his weapons. Again. I understand in terms of meta, he’s nowhere near the top, but pls man encourage some build that focuses on what he’s good at and highlight what he can do than just “he can’t nuke like my meta loadouts, so he’s not very good”

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

To be fair, these are generally addressed in the vid, according to which: 1) Callie 1 is worse at energy gen than Nourish 2) highlights what you describe as “the fucking laser,” and how the minions even copy it. 3) the argument is not “I can use an incarnon.” It’s a complaint that Callie’s kit is so weak he _has_ to use the gun.

[@mrj1897]

@@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli 1) nourish is slower if you’re in steel path, unless you’re using a dethcube or a source of energy, Caliban just needs to spin dash into a group and he gets tons of energy back while also feeding him health, shield and overshield, with an extra tau status effect for good measure. Nourish can heal but its health only, which is not what caliban has a lot of, unless you’re running into toxic fumes you’re not gonna see this being helpful. 2) yes, but that’s not because I think the laser is shit. But brozime clearly hates it and doesn’t use it at all which doesn’t make any sense by his own logic. 3) this bit confuses me. When have you not had to use a gun in warframe? Why should caliban make your weapons redundant? His whole kit does not prioritise damage over its debuffs, the laser is for sure a misleading ability, but it’s not primarily a damage ability, it doesn’t do much damage in an aoe, the beam doesn’t do much scaling anyways, and its primary purpose is to create w field of armor stripping. His minions deal damage, but their abilities are what makes em effective for debuffing or buffing you. The melee sentients help spread the armor strip, the range ones help spread tau status, and the minion sentients are meant to keep u alive longer if you’re struggling to tank. This is what I don’t understand, it feels like caliban is expected to be doing damage from his abilities alone, but is that all he’s allowed to do? He’s not allowed to debuff targets and be tanky? Then by all means inaros should be hated for this same reason. But I don’t see any videos from brozime telling us how bad inaros is

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

@@mrj1897 ​ 1) though I disagree with the sentiment, had you at least started with this as the comment, it would have shown you actually watched the video. That said, this vid is using a source of energy. 1b) iirc, subsumed nourish can't heal you at all, but the "viral on damaged" effect on all the summons could keep local enemies at a sizeable number of stacks. This does also have the benefit of raising ability damage. 25% tau status chance seems pretty negligible. 1 as an energy recharge does seem like it should work, though. considering it locks you out of weapons to use, it certainly does seem much more "caster" than "weapons platform" though. 1c) Personally, I'd start my tests using that shield + efficiency mod instead of Primed Redirection, streamline instead of energy nexus, and go form there to see if it actually needs energy help from either ability. 2) I'll have to ask you for some clarity on what you're saying here. 3) I main Mag, so... Yea, generally, I think a caster should not be reliant on the gun for damage. Regardless of debuffing potential. You're totally allowed to use guns with Mag, even encouraged with the easy headshots, but you're not forced to, because Mag isn't garbage at her job as a caster. Do the melee sentients even help spread the strip? they shoot in the same place as you do. seemingly to increase the damage of the ability. Also, since you brought it up, the Inaros video is called "INAROS PRIME REWORK BUILD & REVIEW | Warframe" if you wanna watch it.

[@dbosstkkc6447]

My thoughts exactly, he got rid of the ability that solves his problems energy econ and shield regent then complains about is... In amazing review lol

[@BamaMophi]

I agree with Brozime that Caliban is not a weapon’s platform. I think people have begun to overuse the “weapons platform” role for frames. A weapons platform is supposed to directly increase the capabilities of your weapons, not incidentally increase weapons that have specific setups to synergize with them. If people are calling Caliban a weapon’s platform, you could technically call Vauban a weapon’s platform. Which he’s not

[@tommydashed4205]

No you couldn't. Caliban's entire kit is designed around helping guns deal more damage, yes even his 3 which helps spread tau status. Vauban's kit is not.

[@cantoastro]

Let's not pretend you need a specific setup to "synergize" with damage vulnerability and defense stripping. Like I won't argue that it's not a let-down for that to be all the value his kit provides but at least those things are literally always useful. But DE reworking/releasing frames with abilities that are obviously intended as nukes but have no ability to scale is just embarrassing at this point. Fucking Vauban has two different scaling nuke abilities, why are we still making the same old mistakes?

[@ento]

Did you try Nourish on the 2 instead of the 1? Nourish also procs in a big aoe when something that has the buff is damaged, so if enemies are shooting your minions instead of floating you get a lot of aoe viral damage. Plus, Caliban's 1 is like Nidus's and refunds energy based on the amount of energy spent on it, so you can run Blind Rage and Nourish will make it return silly amounts of energy.

[@Zal0vid]

Thanks, I'll try this

[@Poisen_]

Why would you subsume it over his best ability?

[@ariaangela3455]

And miss out free damage multiplier?? No thanks

[@Rafael_Fuchs]

Subsuming over his 4 makes far more sense than his 2.

[@Zal0vid]

@@Rafael_Fuchs this sounds better since his 4 sucks

[@ZebNiko]

IDK why Brozime hates any frame that cannot enable a nuking play style. Caliban is 100% better now, but cannot nuke in a way that can kill 20 enemies in simulacrum in a few seconds without weapons... I will predict Brozime will not like Trinity rework because she's not about nuking either.

[@naw613]

Idk man everyone is saying he’s not a good frame, I just see him as a debuffer/summoner. You apply float CC, damage vulnerability, exclusive tau status, and armor strip. Then your sentients swoop in and kill the debuffed enemies. I for one think it’s great he has to use his whole kit, not every frame has to be press 4 to room clear.

[@Sobepome]

okay but as shown here your sentients don't do that. they swoop in and tickle people until you shoot them yourself anyway or keep spamming the laser on them. at a certain point it's just copium.

[@robcole1629]

I view him as a support tbh, idk why he's being considered a weapons platformer. I compare him to Citrine over Zephyr or Rhino. Citrine gives status buffs? Occasional red crits? Armor strip with 3 + archon set? He gives aoe lift tau debuff and damage vulnerability while having big aoe nourish procs for allies and summons when hit. He also strips, too. Citrine gives damage reduction? He gives 50% adaptation with high shield regen for everyone and 6 summons with really high alert level. Most of what he's doing is for the team and weapon platformers are (generally) far more selfish. He doesn't resemble this at all. Imo he's a support. And a fine one at that.

[@shaheedk.3386]

Meanwhile Saryn is clearing rooms, healing with massive gloom range and stripping the ENTIRE map with green shards and Dual Ichor incarnon.

[@Sarraceno2552]

The whole point of the video was that Caliban is clearly design to be a press 4 to clear and he is just failing miserably at that one thing his abilities were clearly design to do.

[@darbling]

Who told you he was a "weapons platform"? He's a team support: his whole kit enables the rest of your support

[@Frozen_Hope]

Caliban does seem pretty good for new players who got him for free to clear most of the starchart with at least, just his 3rd with like an intensify and dreamers bond and maybe even streamline makes most mission types a lot easier for em

[@matthewtalbot6505]

But, new players already get Mag, Excal, or Volt. Volt himself is a better weapons platform than Caliban supposedly is...

[@Frozen_Hope]

@@matthewtalbot6505 I'm not talking as a weapons platform, just about the summons making clear, surviving and defending stuff easier, their damage falls off hard in sp but their dmg for at least half the star chart is more than enough

[@ferrenberg]

He can control and clear level 5k SP circuit with a default config, star chart should be no problem

[@zankaa8031]

Caliban is nautilus's best companion. The tau status makes verglas much more effective.

[@AndYou.01]

Nautilus to Caliban: _Look at me! Look at me!_ _I am the Warframe now!_

[@viysnjor4811]

why nautilus specifically when you can use verglas on any? diriga for example is terrifying with the verglas

[@zankaa8031]

@@viysnjor4811 it's just a joke lil bro

[@viysnjor4811]

@@zankaa8031 so verglas isnt good?

[@HeirophantBlack]

i get that he didnt like caliban originally, but that jaded perspective is really showing here. caliban is leagues better than he was. honestly just a bad video man.

[@notme0126]

The numbers looks nicer and easier to read. Also if, like others have said, the Tau status gave status damage increase alongside the increase in application that would make it better. Another thing I'm noticing is that the summons don't go over level 66, maybe if they made them the average level for the enemies around you on cast or for the mission type they would be much more powerful and thus useful.

[@vonwellsensteintherandomon9064]

I have got the summons to level 96, they still were meh. They def need to scale with enemy level, doing just that makes Calibussy far more valuable.

[@loganC5743]

idk what u mean u literally dont even have to play with caliban. his sentients will kill all by themselves and his 4 does decent dmg. at least in all base steel path levels his kit performs well.

[@ingot4373]

at this point im convinced this guy just ignores everything else and calls something trash for no reason, he says caliban's 4th does no damage but at kuva fortress i was clearing entire corridors on steel path with the melee minions he also called "trash", caliban rn is alot of fun to play even without a helminth

[@emcmanamna]

"But it's a weapons platform" is the new "but she's got a great personality" :)

[@SebastianThebrave]

Feels like Caliban went from an F to a D. The subsume feels nice on Hildryn

[@IAMTHEJUGGERNATE]

My ideas to buff his 4 would be: 1) have every enemy hit by the beams increase the damage of the beams - it would make you do a little planning with your positioning and the positioning of your minions, but then could clear a room if done correctly, or 2) have the beams 'prime' every enemy they hit, and then if they die when primed (either from the lasers themselves or other weapons/abilities), they explode doing their max health as Tau damage in a base 5m radius (moddable with range mods), or 3) lean into the weapons platform idea, and give Caliban Tau damage (scales with strength and total hp of enemies hit with the beam cast) on his weapons for x seconds (scales with duration) whenever you hit enemies with your 4

[@BreadJokes]

I personally feel that swapping his 2 for Nourish feels a lot more comfortable to play. You no longer need Energy Nexus cause your 1 gives you infinite energy (especially with nourish) and makes shield tanking way easier. Yeah, you lose out on some bonus damage and CC, but it's worth it in my opinion for a much more comfortable playstyle. With his 3, I stick with the Ortholysts 90% of the time. They actually do halfway decent damage (though I wish they did a bit more), and with Nourish they spread viral like crazy. They can kill enemies here and there in steel path (albeit a bit slow), and they guarantee that basically every enemy near you has max viral and tau. I also agree that his 4 should do a bit more damage and be able to nuke if you build around it, but even as is it's just a giant AOE (70m at 235% range, which is what I've got right now) full armor strip that leaves a lasting armor strip zone. Super nice to lock down an area, or even re-cast it per room since you have infinite energy. Also make his passive 90% to match adaptation please DE TL;DR I think he's in a great spot at the moment. He feels really comfortable to play as is, but bumping up his damage a bit could make him top tier.

[@akuro6470]

the new damage number settings are basically how i already had mine set up so naturally i am a fan

[@legit.peasant]

Caliban is Calibanned from doing damage apparently. Glad to hear Sicarus' fix hasn't killed it.

[@aliasisudonomo]

I dunno what the hell Brozime is doing, given my Caliban doesn't seem to have any particular issue killing things with Lethal Progeny. Nourish *is* by far the best subsume to use, though, he's correct there.

[@thewhitefox3097]

do you play steel path?

[@aliasisudonomo]

@@thewhitefox3097 Yes. I don't play ULTRA LEET LEVEL CAP Steel path, just your basic 'go into the mission and do a few founds', but I absolutely play steel path.

[@thewhitefox3097]

@@aliasisudonomo this was also steel path and you could see it didn't kill, nobody mentioned level cap, why you so angry?

[@toxicsneeze]

@@thewhitefox3097 they didn't kill anybody because he picked the summons that DONT ATTACK, he did covere that part they have high aggro and give more shields. The other 2 are the only ones that supposed to do damage. This video is a disgrace. He didn't even cover the frame properly.... But hey that's my opinion. And yes, i know I'm almost a month late to the party now...

[@thewhitefox3097]

@@toxicsneeze somebody didn't watch the video... cause he litreally did pick the ones that attack, also if you watched his streams you would see him test caliban 4 streams in a row trying to make him work

[@grain_death]

damn excited for whatever the baruuk changes are that’s making you want to talk about him

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

I'm guessing the new Galvanize melee mods

[@grain_death]

@@stephenschneekloth1535 ok i’m dumb i had literally already done the math on how galv steel is better than sac steel lmao

[@Lacirev]

The thing with "weapons platform" frames is that the weapons we use nowadays are self sufficient enough to perform without any help from a frame as long as you're not doing level cap stuff. An armor strip or damage buff is nice, but the time you spent needing to keep those up could've just been used to shoot the guy for another half-second. Actual weapons platform frames make shooting more fun, someone like Mirage's clones or Gauss' speed.

[@Pepecigar]

5:50 I mean you subsumed over his ability that makes him near immortal with the shield regen. Summon in warframe are really bad overall anyway, maybe one day it will get a change but i doubt it. And yeah the best part is his 2

[@NightravenNevermore]

Definitely liking the new damage numbers/compact numbers. Looks clean. Gonna have to set this up when I play again.

[@phoenixlamp2]

“This caster frame is great! Just make sure you have something like a torid to kill enemies because his abilities don’t!” Bruh

[@dalewarrior1364]

"but caliban is a weapon platform" me in my best customer service voice "sir you are asking us to compare them to revenant, rhino, nezha, hildryn and wisp. i dont think you are being as kind as you think you are."

[@HaveYouTriedGuillotines]

The problem with Caliban as a weapons platform is that yes, if you strap Nourish or Roar on him, he's got all the abilities of a weapons platform... But with worse numbers and a worse action economy. Grendel, Saryn, Mirage, Gauss, Wisp, VT Lavos, etc, all have better numbers and better action economy. And sure, you can fix the latter by strapping cast speed shards on him, but his abilities still do bad damage, which is a problem when frames like Grendel (with Gastro) or Mirage also do a lot of ability damage as well. Caliban really should be a frame that focuses on ability damage and summons, given his kit is full of debuffs. What they should have done is made his summons a fully moddable exalted robotic companion with extremely high status numbers (so you can make their weapons do more damage and status effects), and have all three summons respond to his 4 and 2 with different attacks. Oh, and buff the damage on his 4 in some interesting way, too. Maybe have it do a damaging status effect that repeats the damage of the attack every tick, with the status type changing between fire, toxic and electric based on the type of summon you currently have out.

[@ZatomiAwake]

I like the damage numbers, it's cleaner this way. On another note, what are we actually categorizing as a Weapons Platform Frame? Is it any Frame with a damage/speed boost or do they have to specifically interact with weapons like providing ammo or heavy attack efficiency? I would agree, not every Frame is actually secretly a weapon buffer just because they have access to extra damage, but I feel like there has to be a spectrum between Trinity who basically cannot effect weapons in any way and like Mesa or Chroma who can make most weapons better by breathing on them a little.

[@Metaknight145]

The thing that gets me the most, is that his 4 only has a 20% status chance. Unaffected by mods. His unique status effect. That only he has access to. His 4th ability, that costs 100 energy, only has 20% status chance. Why the hell does his ultimate not have like 300% or at least 100% affected by strength?

[@janivirtanen5722]

Because you can just use his 1 to apply it much easier anyway

[@Orion_44]

I read this comment in Triburos' voice, make him hire you as a script writer

[@alexblackwood2316]

​@@janivirtanen5722 And the Ortholysts put out 100, and 300% Tau Status Chance in their two firing modes. And Caliban's 4 isn't his defining feature like say Qorvex (arguably), it's his summons. Hence they have the power. The 4 is more utility, and it's still better than Sol Gate so there's that.

[@psyberdelicxp6042]

Whatever man. I gave him some shards, a few forma, Modded for duration, and durability with some duration sprinkled in. He's just as fun as Inaros to use. Wiping out a room of paralyzed enemies with armor stripping "scissor lazers" is fun. I replaced his "spinny #1" with nourish and have fun. My mod setup is waaay different than yours and he's super fun. My setup I can run SP cascade for a long time

[@Zvuli]

He’s pretty fun and definitely works well outside of crazy endgame content. I’d like to see a cost reduction on his 4 and the idea presented here by Broz where his minions will sacrifice themselves if your shields break or something. I think it would be really cool to see an augment or even just a change to where enemies hit by your beam will chain the effects to enemies lifted by his 2. Some way to expedite the defense strip process would help him tremendously. If we wanna get freaky let his minions scale with the corresponding weapon mods

[@Cthalpa]

Smaller numbers are better for sure. I just wish there was a way to have the numbers go straight up instead of still covering any enemies near the target

[@Mcbananers]

Patiently waiting for the new Brozime Barack vid I didn't know I wanted

[@alphacide_2857]

This is the first time I'll say this, but your build sucks dude. It's downright bad.

[@ankokuraven]

The damage number UI options make it so much easier to see what im shooting😊

[@JERRYjealously]

so you just gonna put 4 different energy handling resource into one frame? I feel like you are overcapping with energy nexus and siphon

[@aLlawleit]

I've made him a "master of summons" build and use a primay and secondary kitgun with theorem mods to give my summons 720% corrosive damage, add 2 green shards to Caliban to armor strip

[@matthewtalbot6505]

You lost me at Theorem Arcanes. I ain't farming ISO vaults for that garbage. Nor am I wasting plat on buying them.

[@aLlawleit]

@matthewtalbot6505 I mean fair enough, I had them lying around for a similar build woth Nekros because turns out eximus shadows with 720% damage and can armor strip makes them really strong, like if you get a Jade eximus shadow you can kill a level cap enemy in 3 seconds

[@KodexKat]

I’m Ngl I subsumed the oberon ability with his augment to make all weapons to radiation dmg and with his new status abilities it pairs really well esp with gotva prime. If anything this is a great way for the newer players to get a bunch of use outta him if I had Grendel regular I would’ve used it but this radiation is no joke still

[@JuicyJaelynn]

This video was very informative, I learned that the Latron incarnon is really cool

[@NickBaysingar]

Damn, now I wish I picked the Sicarus this week. I have a pretty sick riven for it, but I didn't want to risk it being bad after all the bug fixes.

[@calilljones9035]

The first ability that you took off gives you shields which will immediately make your sentients start giving you shields. I’ve been a caliban main since he launched. I had eclipse over his first ability but now I use his base kit and melt steel path. I use weapons and abilities equally and have a easy time doing it. I think caliban got a pretty nice glow up. Plus tau makes statuses more viable. 6 forma caliban.

[@jaryd_yarid]

Calibans armor strip is great. His 2 is great. His one is great. And his 3 is great. Just not great together for some reason.

[@patricktoney5246]

He has a tool for most situations 2 works where armor strip is redundant

[@SwedetasticGames]

A nice way to make his minions more usefull is making the melee minions inherit Melee mods and ranged minions inherit Primary mods. Edit; I am fairly certain the reason they are afraid to make minions strong is AFK/maccro builds, but there are so so sooo many ways around that. Make it so shield regen from the minions stop working if you have not taken an action for X amount of time. Remove the time limit on his minions but make his 1 a buff cycle ability you need to upkeep by targetting different types of enemies (think of targeting different bodyparts of a MonHun monster with the Kinsect of the insect glaive)...

[@gearsfan1549]

11:25 i wanna have that conversation lol. ive loved yareli since i got back into the game a few months ago. she was only just outshined by gyres shear ability to delete my minimap by walking near the red dots lol

[@lihavalokki5705]

I was surprised that I was able to solo Elite Deep Archimedea defense with him. The new Summulyst sentients draw a nice bit of aggro and 2 no longer yeets enemies to the heavens. Also had Gloom for CC on his 1, so I had both my health and shields topped up. I still think all vulnerability debuffs on enemies besides Banshee's Sonar still all suck numbers-wise.

[@patricktoney5246]

Caliban is my main now he's so fun now and definitely worth the grind after his free giveaway expires

[@BagooskaTheTerriblyTiredTapir]

Playing him is just fun, idk why. He’s not doing anything crazy but I enjoy playing him

[@KodexKat]

@@BagooskaTheTerriblyTiredTapirlol sounds like he’s your main. That’s how I felt about mirage and I never counted her as my main but I feel something special playing with her kit

[@HunterLaFever-nq1qi]

Great vid showing off the fixed sicarus incarnon. Any update on the Caliban rework? Hoping he’s good now.

[@DrakoWulf]

I didn't like Caliban before at all. I'm apparently one of the few people who farmed for all of his pieces, and still didn't like him at all. However, after this rework, he has quickly become one of my favorite frames. Does me being this game's biggest Nidus main explain that? Probably. I take him into Steel Path, Archon Hunts, Netracells, Arbitrations, etc., and I find it pretty difficult to die. My abilities support my team's damage and shields, and support me even more. At the same time... I think his 4 deserves a major damage buff (add an extra 0 to that damage, as someone else said), considering the steep energy cost. That much energy for a strip ability, when it competes with other stripping abilities that cost pretty much no energy, is very odd. His minions should scale to enemy level, that would help with many complaints about him. His 1 would be a lot more appealing if it provided overguard after reaching max overshields. His 2 would feel much more reliable if it could go through walls, like so many other similar abilities. I definitely don't think DE should stop where we are with Caliban, but I also don't agree with a lot of the people currently complaining about him.

[@user-sd6zz2hm2u]

Maybe he will get a augment for his 1 that gives overguard 🤔

[@DrakoWulf]

@@user-sd6zz2hm2u I would love that.

[@niteus4907]

The perfect thing to watch while waiting for the power to return

[@MauMenzori]

Hahaha, your sarcastic remarks are the best, Brozime. Thanks for the laughs, and specially, the analysis. And you are definately right: any frame can be a powerhouse, as long as he is wielding a Torid! Or the Latron there. I feel Caliban would be good for beginners, you know, those who are still getting used to the game and AFRAID to face larger/dangerous mobs and need to cower behind Caliban's minions. No wonder his deluxe skin is a CONQUISTADOR outfit, meaning he sends his troops forward while the general stays on the back. Perfect fit if I just want to follow the battle from a safe distance. But somewhere in here you mentioned Yareli is still good. Is she, though? I never gave her any thoughts after all the trash talk over the years, so Ms. Waifu E-Girl is just gathering dust in my Arsenal. Should I give her a chance? Thanks again for the video, mate. Keep up the good work.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Yareli is very good after all the buffs she's received since her release. If you don't like her kdrive, use her augment Merulina Guardian

[@MauMenzori]

@@thatonepenguinperson618 Interesting. I wouldn't mind building her from scratch, specially now with her Deluxe skin (giving her that abyssal monster vibe, which is awesome). As for how people are building her, what should I go for? Strenght, duration, range, helminth? Or, did you base yours on a specific youtuber video? Thanks. :)

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

@@MauMenzori lucky for you, Brozime actually has an updated build guide for her xD I think his build is interesting since I believe it incorporates Hydroid's Tempest Barrage as the helminth over her 3 for maximum water fights

[@MauMenzori]

@@thatonepenguinperson618 Good to hear. I shall start from there, then. Appreciated, friend.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

My thoughts are that it's unfortunate that Caliban is attempting to compete with Gaze with his defense stripping ability (because they both have lingering aoe strips), when gaze a) lasts absurdly longer b) is supported by the Vast Untime, c) comes on a frame with pretty decent survivability d) that also does lots of damage. Having said that, i like playing caliban a lot more now, i think its cool he has an aggro management utility or a way to spam even more armor strip. Tau status seems interesting too and i wonder if they'll do more with it in future content, given sentients aren't completely off the table.

[@never3nder]

I think the reworks to his other abilities are great, but the loss of the lingering AoE for his 4 has completely gutted any viability Caliban had - as you say, in a world where Gaze exists - the fact that it lost the lingering defense reduction seems absurd

[@DrakoWulf]

@@never3nder It didn't lose the lingering AoE. They were originally going to remove it, but due to feedback, they added the lingering AoE back before they even released the rework.

[@Psycorde]

"Weapons platform" - so not only Copemei, but also Copeliban

[@insertedgynamehere___969]

Yep, that's basically it

[@voodoowoodpecker4320]

DE nerfed Dante a week after the new patch, yet they didn't really buff Caliban when he evidently needs it? Meanwhile we got a tyrannical Nova rework, and also improvements to Hildryn alongside some stellar Augments for a whole number of frames? Why does Caliban exist, just to suffer?

[@NuchiAsaki]

He exists to justify the existence of Narmer bounties.

[@Zevox144]

@@NuchiAsaki Because god knows the archon melees don't fucking justify them

[@coolgamer3646]

Wait you complain about his energy economy but yet remove his a ability that can give him almost infinite energy by just hitting enemies???

[@falcon5190]

Not only that. He missed the chance to give him Umbral Fiber + Arcane Battery to give him huge energy reserves and push armor to almost 700, where you really start to feel the damage reduction.

[@dbosstkkc6447]

As well as getting rid of the ability that gives shields then complains about not having shields

[@GenesisRhapsodusify]

Did you not listen? Nourish gives much more energy than his 1, while also dealing much more dmg

[@coolgamer3646]

@@GenesisRhapsodusify no it doesn't it literally has the capacity to give infinite energy + healing and shields

[@lagerfeuerstories4585]

use him with a pimped shedu, perfect wepon for the zomes that his 4 create. i played him like this even pre buff and its just crazy. nothing alive can cross his armor AND SHIELD stripping zones (that not even acolytes can pulse off) when you shoot in there with the shedu

[@Bum-t9x]

I would say unless your going for level cap just spam his 2 for damages increases than his 4th

[@Sodamachine62]

Exactly what I'm sayin

[@Sodamachine62]

I agreed with you on koumei but disagree with you on this

[@DrakoWulf]

Pretty much feeling the same way, but I do think the damage of his 4 is sad.

[@provaricus627]

@@DrakoWulf The point of his 4 is NOT damage! It’s a defense strip! If ya want a giant death laser that kills, go play Vauban.

[@DrakoWulf]

@@provaricus627 A defense strip that costs quadruple or more the amount of energy required by any other defense strip ability. It's also an ability that rivals Sol Gate in terms of visual flare. It's clearly intended to do good damage, but it does not.

[@blank5237]

I made a build focusing on the turret summons with roar and a viral primer/panzer and its kinda crazy how fast the turrets kill things

[@Hypercane_]

Dude brings a debuffing support frame to a mission and is annoyed that the debuffing support abilities don't kill things by themselves

[@date1570]

There are multiple buff/debuffing support frames that do what he does way, way more efficiently, and also kill things! It's not that he doesn't get what the frame is supposed to do. It's that it does it badly!

[@notawehraboo6159]

@@date1570 there are muiltiple warframes that do the exact same thing as other warframes, but worse. we have plenty of tank warframes, plenty of support warframes, plenty of debuffing warframes. having one warframe that doesn't perform as amazing as the super meta warframes doesn't instantly make the warframe bad. tau status and vulnerability from his 2 make him very good at enhancing not only YOUR dps, but your teams as well. caliban is fine. we have rhino who is almost entirely outclassed as a tank by revenant, but rhino isn't a bad tank.

[@PHNpaladine]

had breach surge since before rework over his 1. havent had a reason to replace it imo cus having the damage multiplier, vulnerability %, and armor strip is kinda funny to me. strangely the fusion strike doesnt deal meaningful damage when cast after breach surge anymore though so i hope its a bug and not an unescessary nerf.

[@RiderOmega]

I'm glad Caliban is better than he was, but really sad for the guy that he's having to go as a mid-at-best weapon's platform because his 4 don't got the damage. DE let that 4 do 2.5x damage by having the Conculysts copy it at 50% damage and Caliban still has to cope on it being a strip.

[@pythonxz]

The Ortholysts are definitely the way to go... especially if you give them another damage type. They're insane once you do.

[@RiderOmega]

@@pythonxz Dog, I tried that, they suck too. You're gonna have to try harder to lie to me.

[@CloudR3tainer]

"Dog" 💀

[@RiderOmega]

@@CloudR3tainer Yeah I realize my half white bled through on that one. Oh well.

[@bocaj4376]

Ngl, usually i agree with most of brozimes takes, but i dont agree with all of this one. i understand his damage values should be higher, however i dont think just because he cant nuke instantly doesnt mean hes crap. i think if you look at him as a support frame perspective hes pretty solid. not amazing but not bad. Tau and viral spreading (with nourish) with his 3, damage vulnerability and a pretty useful hoard lockdown with his 2. his 1 if you keep it is a good panic shield gate button with energy regen so if you pay attention its easy to survive. also he has great shield defense although i agree it should generate even after shield break, its still kinda hard to die with that regen rate especially with the summulysts. then his armor strip lingering field is great, although the damage should be way better, its still good for armor strip. and in my own play testing if youre not spamming an explosive incarnon weapons everywhere his summons can do some solid killing , which yeah its not the fastest way to kill for these meta maniacs but its decent to have them picking off some enemies for support. tldr i think hes solid now but i do hope they still make more changes but hes still in a good spot rn

[@D3VYN3]

That's classic Brozime for ya, if it can't nuke level cap missions with no mods then it's completely unuseable trash

[@Voxfox89]

good to see the sicarus still is great

[@Emptylord]

I take it that Tau-priming doesn't open up viability of other weapons? Even when Pablo announced it, adding a pre-primer step to combat just sounded awful compared to loadouts that don't need that step. Is increased status vulnerability the wrong effect? Should it be increases status damage? Something else entirely? What are his sentients lacking compared to summoning a spectre? We're allowed to summon spectres and spectres provide awesome damage. I almost wonder if a Caliban Spectre's sentients would be better, since they'd presumably have level scaling. If his sentients were good, I'd honestly even accept spectres being disabled on him - their concern is him stacking the two.

[@toxicsneeze]

Brozime I'm sorry man, I've been a sub for a LONG time, but you be slacking lately brother... I understand u might not like caliban personally, and thats fine u can give your opinion on a rework... But YOU are going to be the creator people find first when a new player comes on youtube to find out about caliban, and this video doesnt cover even close to all of the facts, like you DEFINITELY would have on a frame u liked. Not one single time in this video did you mention the brand new tau status effect that is exclusive to caliban, or how effective it is, nothing. You picked the worst summons to showcase because u arbitrarily decided the other 2 don't do enough damage and they didn't get the ability you hoped they would. And then you mention what his 1 now does, which was at least 1 quarter of his changes, in a single sentence, which is a disgrace in my opinion; i wouldnt be surprised to find out u didnt even try his 1 and did your testing on his original build that had nourish over it already. Honestly after the testing i did, i had a hard time deciding which ability to subsume off of him (and in my opinion if your loosing something valuable by putting a subsume on a frame, that is the sign of a frame that's very well designed) having that kind of sustain for health, shields AND energy is very powerful on any frame and you know it, not to mention priming all the enemies with tau also. The lack of information your giving people that seek out your videos to learn about a warframe is just sad man. And thats why i decided to comment, honestly if youd have said everything you did AND still covered the frame properly i wouldnt be upset at all, your allowed to not like him. I just think there probably is a lot of people who would have tried him out and won't now because of this video... I have some other thoughts too but I'll leave that for another comment I guess this is getting out of hand...

[@tastysnowdrop1456]

I run all default abilities with blind rage, max range, natural talent, flow, and adaptation for a bit of extra tankiness. His first ability with -efficiency gives him a CRAP TON of energy. Full strip is basically pointless after the armor changes so you don't really need strength; except it is nice for his 1 so you get more shields. If you keep his 1 you can use any summon you want without worrying about survivability. I personally don't care for frames that kill everything with abilities; I just prefer guns.

[@permeus2nd]

16:13 I know your going to hate this idea and me for suggesting it but we really need to see a no/mid to Low tier weapons run on frames like this to get a real showing of the frame without it just been a weapons showcase.

[@ladaas9528]

DE _slightly_ buffed/fixed the summons today (10/10), but probably not enough to make a difference.

[@warflex8895]

Calling him a weapon plattform is as hillarious as you presenting his 4 as a pointless ability So you dont use it to create wide areas (multiple 28m radius aoe) of fallout fields to strip the DEFENSE of every enemy wandering by them over the duration of 15 seconds scaling with duration?

[@Sodamachine62]

You have to spam yarelis 1 and only hits a few enemies. If 100 enemies are in front of you ALL 100 will be affected by the vulnerability

[@BeeBeeBeeLol]

Enemy clusters usually only come in batches of 5-6 anyway lol. I'm pretty sure that's near how many enemies get hit by sea snares. the convenient thing is, it's pretty fast and passively happens when you use the augment and 300%+ vulnerability is infinitely more noticeable than calibans 60-100%.

[@thewhitefox3097]

what game are you playing? there is never 100 enemies, even in steel path where spawn rate and spawn limit is raised

[@DarkTree]

honestly xaku is more of a weapons platform with xata's whisper and the armor strip 3. its so peculiar to see people saying that caliban is a great vessel to use guns from considering he's spending a good chunk of time recasting all of his abilities that don't buff his baseline level guns but make him great value nezha with aggro bots. i guess hes marginally better than rhino or inaros at defense mission types because of that lol

[@grinningnihilist]

I was thinking to myself "wow the 5k is a much tighter display' and then you asked.

[@vos_is_boss7623]

It begs the question, "what makes a warframe good?" Every warframe can shoot a gun, so technically, every warframe can eliminate enemies easily. So, do we judge them based just on their kit? Is there a checklist you can create? Has an armor strip, Check. Has a damage reduction, Check. Buffs allies or debuffs enemies, Check. Without a set of standards, it's all just opinion. Like the folks who think Limbo is the best frame in the game.

[@lynxlearns4765]

Caliban's cool factor is there, but he still feels a bit underwhelming. - The ortholysts are inconsistent in that they never stay in their shooting form very much. - Summolysts just exists and I agree that each should act as some sort of instant regen whilst in shield gate at the cost of the summon itself. - Melee summons are slow and weak, and their AI sucks ass. make the summons more consistent with their intented purpose and give them AND caliban's 4 the same treatment vauban's flechette orb and photon strike got where the damage scales with enemy level.

[@zankaa8031]

The ortholysts don't actually have a "shooting form". They shoot when they're moving too. They just have 300% status instead of 100% when they're in cannon mode and I think their shot has more AoE.

[@ento]

melee summons are star chart stompers. Ortholysts are for spreading tau in higher lvl missions and for bosses. Summolyst is for defenses because Choralysts have high aggro priority and your Projeny's shield regen aura applies to defense nodes.

[@sinisterbeatz1776]

i think when armor was much more of a pain and armor strips were more useful, the rework wouldve been better

[@moonlightswordsman867]

yes he is 100% just mid at best however I do like that we finally have a summoner frame besides nekros since that's a type of ability we don't have many of. is having 12-14 summoned ai minions(summonlyst and duplex/diversify hound) super efficient? not in steel path. but at least he has a somewhat unique playstyle option now But I agree that he should be way better (should have leaned more into his summons rather than Caliban himself I feel)

[@myramedchan4775]

He is a low-level nuke and a weapon platformer tho after seeing how little the 4 does and the sumulus not adding from 0, I'd replace the 4 the 1 can help significantly with survivability

[@pirate135246]

There are very few warframes that can actually kill things with their abilities decently at high levels. Every frame is a weapons platform outside of these few exceptions. I think this is a core gameplay design issue where weapons are way stronger than they should be on the balance spectrum when compared to abilities. If you can just slap torid on any frame and make their kit irrelevant its more of a torid problem than a frame problem. DE needs to buff abilities to scale better into late game, and tune down some of the insane outlier weapons like torid