Is constantly sleeping the enemy tank as Ana good value? | OW2 Reddit Questions #54

[@GoldenKirby]

To answer the Thumbnail: No, no. Sleep anybody else. Its longer on them. Do it. -rein main

[@samk9258]

Can confirm as a fellow rein main. Also if you sleep a rein they will solo shatter you!

[@jfp4life]

As an Ana main, save the sleep for the mid-late game revenge shatter

[@-aku2805]

@@samk9258 that's fine, better for my team

[@rileyp3707]

Yeah sleeping rein is throwing. Actually don’t even play Ana

[@kevinkalani]

​@@-aku2805 lol, solo shatters isn't throwing if it's the right target at the right time. Suppose I know you, as the Ana, are the only one with an ult and I can solo shatter you so you are staggered and unable to deliver that nano, that's a high value shatter.

[@Kororozinhouw]

KarQ: Holding your sleep can be more valuable. Awkward: Use your cooldowns, don't wait for an opportunity thay may never come. I'm confused, so I'm just gonna keep doing my thing, which is to miss every single sleep dart then swapping to Illari due to frustration.

[@ianhunt1866]

It's because it depends. Learning Ana or at a rank where mistakes are punished less? Go for the sleep dart. It has a 12s cooldown. In higher ranks you're likely to already have the gamesense when to use it and missing sleep dart is more costly. There are also scenarios where holding it can reward you (against a nanoed target, for example). So holding it has value, but don't wait forever to use it. Kind of like grav. Sleep is very strong and you'll paradoxically get better at using it when you constantly experiment with it. One day you go to sleep the nano blade and hit it, because you've practiced those split second flick shots despite not thinking you could

[@garrymurphy7181]

sometimes having a sleep dart ready to cancel an ult is enough to make people second guess ulting, its kinda like when 2 reins are fighting but 1 rein hasnt ulted in a while, makes the other one 2nd guess playing aggressive for fear he gets shattered or his team getting shattered. TLDR If a high value ult hasnt been seen in a while, save sleep for it. If they have dive, save sleep for them

[@MrBrock314]

It's a matter of degrees. KarQ isn't suggesting you hold your sleep dart for 5 minutes. We're talking seconds here. I doubt KarQ holds his sleep for any significant length of time unless he's specifically baiting someone and that's not something anyone below t500 should focus on because that's a very high risk-high reward maneuver that isn't going to pay off most of the time. At lower ranks, if you did that - 90% chance you just get ulted and killed when you whiff the sleep dart after baiting them for 10 seconds.

[@Whodadman]

3:50 On the topic of losing feeling bad: Try to remember that rank is merely a tool to increase your match quality. If you can’t hang in higher level lobbies, then it will be more fun for everyone, including you, if you rank a bit lower.

[@MrBrock314]

I'm not sure Bronze's would agree. They don't tend to feel they'd be happier at their current rank.

[@WillowAndTheRest]

​@@MrBrock314well that's too bad because it's fortunately the easiest rank to get out of.... By far 🤣

[@meatloaf7939]

Babe wake up KarQ just posted a new vid

[@bigfudge2031]

I can't Ana keeps on sleeping me

[@RobertBarry1969]

Most fun is sleeping rein in the middle of a charge.

[@User-pu3lc]

I see your Rein charge and raise you sleeping an ulting phara

[@RobertBarry1969]

@@User-pu3lc those ARE nice, but something about a rein that keeps trying to pin somebody and just keeps getting slept instead just tickles my funny bone.

[@kevinkalani]

22:07 if you look at OWL/OWCS stats, I can guarantee Shu probably has some of the highest deaths of all support players but he is widely regarded as the best Ana and maybe best flex support. The reason is that he understands win conditions and value so much. If he knows his team is behind the 8ball with no ults you will see him set up SUPER aggressive Ana nade spots where he likely dies but his team follows up and gets a team wipe. It's understanding win conditions.

[@zek451]

I played a game with a LW as my other support (I was Juno) and they carried us to victory. They petal'd us out of a Zarya ult and clutched a pull to save a teammates life several times. Maybe hard to get good or these circumstances are few and far between, but a LW can definitely carry.

[@MrBrock314]

I believe KarQ said "it's harder to carry" for LW because of the scenarios you stated. If Zarya hadn't ulted your team and your teammate wasn't in danger, how would LW have carried? These are good examples of LW being reactive which is what LW excels at. But, it relies on your team making mistakes/being caught out in the first place. If your team doesn't do that, it's much harder for LW to carry.

[@zek451]

@@MrBrock314 I agree with you completely. Just wanted to share my experience as that game happened hours before I watched this video and it stood out from other games as I don't experience LW moments like that very often. Props to whoever that LW was! gg. Gold/Plat player for reference.

[@bobylob4625]

Not that I disagree with our boy KarQ on the KD question, but I would like to add that if someone points out your KD and it is significantly worse than the rest of your team then maybe you should look inward before trying to give your team mates advice. I don't mean if you are 5-6 and your teammate is 6-4. I mean if you are playing dps and everyone on your team is in the realm of like 15-5 and you are at 2-9. The scoreboard isn't everything, but it can be an indication of underperformance. While I'm already ranting about the scoreboard, dmg numbers are even less important than KD in my humble opinion. It is already well known that if you are playing sombra or widow that you will be getting less dmg than your teammate playing bastion or reaper, but even the circumstances of the game can cause one player to get less damage than another. If your team is rolling and holding the enemy far away from the point/cart and you need to stay behind and be payload princess then you're going to have less damage than your teammates, but that doesn't mean you were less of a contribution to your team's victory.

[@MrBrock314]

There is a secondary factor though. What is the game sense of the person typing? You can be doing personally not well (for a variety of factors) while still having a good idea why the team is losing. You don't have to be Michael Jordan to know when the team is getting free 3's when no one is guarding them. Being personally bad at the game doesn't mean you don't understand the game in theory. You could just have terrible aim and be playing the wrong character at the time. Many coaches could no longer play well personally but that doesn't mean they don't know how to.

[@Noobalator]

Win or lose, spamming a tank with sleep and watching them rage in chat is a guilty pleasure.

[@milkjugs4771]

I love banana bread especially with chocolate chips in it

[@romahnii]

for the second question, too many people worry about their rank, instead of looking at your rank as some shiny new toy, it’s a reflection of your skill if you get better you will climb no matter what, continue to improve and eventually you WILL see that rank up. it doesn’t matter who your team is or how they play, you are the only constant in every game you play, if you are better than the average in your rank you WILL rank up. don’t stress your rank and just play to improve and learn

[@PerpetuusTenebris]

I rank up by about 1% every 6 games, but I am indeed ranking up 🥲

[@HarryProtter]

I love that you showed a comment for the second question. I suggested that a while ago (in video #43). It's a win-win-win situation for you really. 1: you agree with the upvoted comments, so you can quickly move on and tackle more questions per episode -> more content for you. 2: you actually don't agree with the comments, so you can then elaborate further by giving your own opinion -> more content for you. 3: when people realize that they might end up in one of your videos, they'll post better comments and questions on the subreddit, so the quality of OWU improves -> better content for you. Oh, and banana bread.

[@rneff2011]

love these videos!! hated losing at the start of my ow career was 40 games below 500 and that fueled me to get better and now 20 games over 500. losing games makes me think what i can do better to help

[@whateverlol93]

Tanks also get shot a lot. Especially in lower ranks, so your sleep might not even last 0.5 seconds which is totally wasted unless it stopped a crucial event like a hook conversion. Putting the enemy support to sleep is the best, even if they’re left to sleep the whole duration - in fact that’s likely the best because you practically put their support into pseudo-death for six seconds, and then you can even attempt to kill them towards the end for extra long downtime for them. The enemy team will be starved of healing and just crumble over simply from that. But of course it’s a harder target to hit. Never help a teammate that clearly are doing something they should not. Don’t endorse bad plays. Your Winston or Doomfist just flew in when they shouldn’t? There’s a McCree waiting for them? There’s a Widow waiting to snipe anyone following him and your tank didn’t even jump them? Don’t follow. Let them die. It would’ve been even worse if you went. If your Genji goes for blade and it wasn’t crazy 1v5 and you didn’t go with them or at least try - you’re playing far too cautiously. You’re Kiriko? Should you shift in to save someone? No. If they went in with no good odds and they shouldn’t even have. That’s not your problem, it’s theirs. If you’re Mercy, you should be safe and always prioritize yourself if you have your E up. There are also a lot of supports that can do their job from faraway while not dying. Mercy, Ana, LW. Kiriko. Juno. So many really, playing very safely can force enemies to dive you and pay for it. Always die for a reason.

[@rileyp3707]

Good mercys climb because a good mercy is still better than a bad kiriko and there are a lot of bad kirikos

[@dotnet9830]

yeah and once they hit masters 5 you're only relying on your team to perform well

[@SamuraiPipotchi]

I think the easiest way to explain zoning is that it's basically a threat of consequence. You use a threat or an ability to suggest to the enemy team that they'll be at risk if they enter a specific area/zone. Often times, the enemy has to respect that threat, so that threat can be effectively used to control the enemy's response, predictability or reliability.

[@Phamtaro31]

6:51 I felt that 🥲

[@demigurlxd5781]

A few of these questions applies to a recent game of mine. It was on watch point gibralter and started on defense I normally play sombra but have less luck on defense with her so I went symettra tank was late and went road hog into thier dva and we were getting stomped because of thier widowmaker, when I asked for the tank to swap with something with more mobility they responded with my K-D "1-8" and other dps started flaming me in voice chat. I got pretty tilted even hit the leave game button and was on the are you sure? Screen, but then my supports decided to pop in on voice chat and told everyone to calm down and gave some positive energy. My other dps got off of sombra and I was able to lock her and I made that widowmakers life hell for the rest of the game. The reason we were low on heals was because of how much value she was getting and we ended up winning that game by me turning my tilt into a challange to prove them my KD means nothing and yes I did end with a positive KD 23-11 after I decided to be the play maker. Glad I didnt leave that game.

[@petermcconnell9925]

Banana bread is ok.

[@user-un6de5fo6i]

please could you do dark mode for reddit

[@TroyButtsoupBarnes42]

Come on really? You can’t just turn your brightness down on whatever you’re using? You’re really asking him to use dark mode?

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

​@@TroyButtsoupBarnes42sounds like something a light mode user would say

[@user-un6de5fo6i]

@@TroyButtsoupBarnes42 why u acting like i've asked him to find a cure for cancer it takes literally 2 clicks, it's a lot easier him doing that than loads of people turning their brightness down for one video

[@MrBrock314]

@@BiggieCheeseJr. Sounds like something a person would say who doesn't understand that other people have different preferences. Never expect people to accommodate you. Always expect them to accommodate themselves. If KarQ wanted dark mode, he'd be in dark mode.

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

@@MrBrock314 damn bruh didn't realize it was that serious 💀💀 I bet you're the guy who yells at your team mates in quick play

[@ShawnKavanagh]

I do enjoy sleeping an ult attempt

[@NoNameJondoe]

I love banana bread

[@ZeroKami86]

Constantly sleeping the Hog seemed like a good thing based on his mentality by the end of the game

[@zero13z34]

Nah,.I love garlic bread

[@giovannyyyy]

Yes, cuz tank players are almost sleeping irl, so if u put them to sleep in game it trigger the sleep irl so the enemy team has now -1 player

[@Johncoaching1]

Just gonna say this quick to save time. No it isnt and also timing is the most important aspect of Ana's abities.

[@shinkleihh]

is constantly sleeping the tank the best value? not really, but is it petty and annoying? personal win in my book💯

[@chilledramen]

Banana bread is bomb!

[@yugzz]

Who doesn't love banana bread?

[@alottaguala9766]

Can we talk about the social skill needed to ask for someone to swap hero's. So many times I see someone just say "tank swap" or "why are you on X hero" No one wants to justify to someone who sounds like a jerk How about a "Ayo doom u happen to have a dva in ur bag" Or "yo if we can run dive I can help you get them off high-ground" learn to ask nicely and people are more likely to do what u ask

[@_V.Va_]

Someone really asked if having no deaths is bad.

[@soraniostaur3839]

4:30, this is one of the only times I have to 100% Disagree KarQ. If I'm losing at Apex, or Fortnite, or XIVPVP, or TF2, or DissidiaNT, etc etc, losing in those don't feel nearly as horrible as losing in Overwatch. Overwatch (in my opinion at least) has a more fun core concept and gameplay loop than Apex and Fortnite and TF2 and Valorant, but the sheer toxicity within this community and the design choices in both UI and gameplay/ teamplay make Overwatch a nightmare when you're a losing player trying their best. The experience is *definitely* different for Masters, GM, and above, but in metal ranked matches and even in QP as well players are taking the *game* far too seriously and degrading, slurring, and sometimes outright threatening their teammates for underperforming, and I mean no exaggeration by this, players in east and west (especially west) NA servers will toss N-bombs/ Homophobic slurs, or verbally abuse their own teammates without even being on the losing team, and in some cases players have had IP addresses dropped in chat. Saying this is a problem within every game and that the person asking the question simply needs to look inward is incredibly tonedeaf and irresponsible, as it condones some pretty extreme toxicity over a video game that normal people are just tryna have fun with.

[@soraniostaur3839]

I love banana bread (it's pretty solid, ngl)

[@ProbWontMaxUFC]

i like banana bread but its even better with choclate chips in it

[@jerrybarbados5995]

I love banana bread but garlic bread clears...

[@snoopystock6928]

I agree with the losing. I can be happy loading in, I do very good, then we lose and lose 30 percent. I can do great or even carry the team and still lose 30 percent. Why

[@tmp92-hh7tt]

Made it to the end, but I’m allergic to bananas.

[@snarfsnarf6]

Why KarQ hair look like it's overextending on 3rd point

[@girandpiggy95]

nah that's crazy

[@erickmalm9458]

That second guy has deeper issues than losing at overwatch lol

[@ZeroKami86]

KarQ loves banana bread

[@pierreramzy8448]

Karq is your right eye ok? In the thumbnail it looks very red my dude

[@DonKappa1]

But I dont love banana bread KarQ 🤨

[@Matt2tb]

I love banana bread! 🍌🍞 Especially homemade!

[@HeeminGaminStation]

Dang I left my Banana’s out too long, what can I do with all these?

[@ramidigital]

luv banana bread

[@MrJay1026]

Im addicted to banana bread

[@olivebandit4401]

I do love banana bread tho

[@GrungeTrash]

I fucking love banana bread

[@rileyp3707]

You win or you learn

[@leaf3002]

I love banana bread!

[@grayguy01]

I love nanna bread🎉

[@swifttitan8126]

i ❤ banana bread

[@kagenator9060]

God banana bread is delicious

[@IcyColdStare]

I love banana bread 🍞

[@marquezekelley8374]

So basically if u dont play meta or ridiculously good u not gonna get very far in this game

[@pedropenha2099]

No, where did you even get that from?

[@marquezekelley8374]

@@pedropenha2099 overwatch is the only content I see where everybody wants to learn how to play but nobody's getting better

[@nicolasvidal92]

Most people don't complain when they're winning lol

[@Keyawnce]

What I hate bananas bread

[@mugenhikage]

I hate banana bread tho :/

[@H00D00]

i think it is, tank can changed the match drastically, cant wait for the video to starts

[@andrjz]

Banaa bread

[@Xenexus]

I hate banana bread

[@NoMuckYou]

Who else loves banana bread?

[@RantKid]

Banana bread mmnn

[@mariacruza756]

I'm a banana bread🍌🍞

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

Not true for other tanks, but sleeping a Roadhog, as frequently as you can is ALWAYS a good value. In a vacuum, it's even better, because then he suffocates in his sleep. Roadhog's hook is THE most annoying and cheap ability in the game, so all Hog players deserved to be annoyed, and CC-d until they switch out.

[@okokokok1457]

Late today

[@amylist2851]

I love banana bread... well not really, bananas taste terrible~ but I did reach the end of your vid!

[@JamesWalterDavis]

❤🍌 🍞🙌🏽

[@MarcoAntonio-sm1ke]

Playing against Ana is SO BORING ZZZZZZ

[@brennanrodriguez122]

I crave playing against you cause players like this don't adjust, they just let me farm value and it's wonderful

[@MarcoAntonio-sm1ke]

I like playing d,va and winton my dude so ana is not even a problem actually ana is a easy target However i don't understand why so many people like such a boring caracter so much... oh well whatever

[@zerovking7629]

@@MarcoAntonio-sm1ke because she is a high skill ceiling character that rewards you for having good mechanics and positioning landing good nades and sleeps can literally turn team fights around like anti-nading the enemy team during a crucial support ult or sleeping a sigma, reaper, ramattra or whatever to deny ults or cooldowns is insane value trading a cooldown for an ult is crazy not to mention her really good synergistic ult

[@MarcoAntonio-sm1ke]

@@zerovking7629 That is because you are a nice player you see beyond the basics of the game However a lot of players don't play this way, they simple toss the nade and the dart like a junkrat mine into the enemy tank and that is it

[@laky3348]

​@@MarcoAntonio-sm1ke because ana is a character that rewards the bare minimum technical ability with the most oppressive rewards against the enemy. threw a random grenade in the approximate vicinity of a fight? allies get healed and bonus healing from then on, while the enemies entire support role gets hard countered for long enough to matter, and also get bursted for a big amount of health. hit a sleep on anyone? well now theyre a guaranteed pick for your team or out of the fight for long enoughcto be considered a 5v4. got ult? maximum damage resistance and damage boost plus burst healing for pressing q on an ally. she is so filled to the brim with utility in any of her moves that youd be struggling not to be at least useful playing her.

[@MichelangeloBeats]

I love banana bread

[@bromoment9779]

I love banana bread

[@purplezeppelin6583]

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[@justincraft9166]

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[@joshuastringer8752]

I love banana bread