Is Crossfit To Blame? | Surgeon Reacts to Lazar Dukic Death At The Crossfit Games

[@maxmeier532]

Gross negligence cant be waived. A guy drowning 50 meters from the goal, on live camera, watched by spectators, with lifeguard 30 ft away who doesnt see it, and when pointed out cant find the guy and stops searching, sounds like gross negligence to me on several levels.

[@WDLC1911]

Agreed. Lawsuit incoming. Expect major changes soon.

[@didamnesia3575]

100% agree. Paid lifeguards have an actual duty.

[@Pepesilvia267]

Once he went under water, probably no one would find him but a diver. General visibility is a few feet or less and from what I heard that lake was fairly deep at that spot. Additionally muscle is dense so he’d sink pretty quickly. Still a major failure for not having lifeguards on site and ones that were trained in open water rescue. Most of the time paddle boarders are “water support” which means they are there to let you hold onto their board or call for the jet ski that has actual lifeguards. Not all the time are the water support trained lifeguards. Massive screw up IMO and it’s inexcusable that they didn’t rescue him. Having done open water triathlons I can tell you it’s easy to lose track of an athlete and easy to run out of energy or overexert.

[@danielmsz]

The sport of CrossFit isn’t the same as the methodology

[@jameswilson6758]

Worse yet, I heard from one of my gym coaches (I go to a local gym that USED to be CrossFit branded, in that they used the CrossFit workouts for, well, workouts, exactly as intended; they've since rebranded precisely because of this incident) that the organizer of the games was already talking about cutting down costs leading up to the games. Should that be true, they're gonna have a hard time worming their way out of at LEAST a negligence charge.

[@Janon48]

As a lifelong Texan, having people run 3 miles THEN swim 800M in the August heat seems insane and borderline criminally negligent. At that time of year even bodies of water feel like lukewarm soup.

[@realalbertan]

Rumor is the water was above the safety cut off maximum temperature that World Aquatics & USA Swimming. While CF is not obliged to use another sports rules. Likely it will be used to show negligence in a civil suit especially if the safety plan had no max water temperature

[@jp7357]

@@realalbertanthe guy was fit, something else was going on.

[@purebeastfitness]

There’s a reason the swim is first in most events. Speaks to the “CrossFit “ approach

[@Pepesilvia267]

A lot of events do run first then swim. There is more risk to this approach but it’s been around longer than CrossFit and done more often than CrossFit games does it. You’re right there is a reason swim is usually first but not always first. Probably would have been fine if the water wasn’t so damn hot at that time.

[@purebeastfitness]

@@Pepesilvia267 I did say “most” not “all.” But one thing that’s certain is that there are lots more drowning in events that do not hold the swim first. But the CrossFit mentality seems to be reckless all around, so this liability is just business as usual.

[@realalbertan]

​@purebeastfitness the water temperature was allegedly over the safety limit that would cancel elite open water swimming events. Dukic likely overheated, passed out and drowned. Search " Fran Crippen Death " and you'll see why World Aquatics (formerly FINA) has this rule.

[@ptf55]

@@Pepesilvia267... I did a search for run-swim events and couldn't find any so I don't know how many there are. But I do think you are absolutely right that the water temp is what made it so dangerous.

[@jacklauren9359]

@@Pepesilvia267go do some strenuous work on land and swim after and get back here again. You can do all the research you want and try to work it out in your head. It is different when you do it. There’s a reason why in triathlon they swim first then do land based afterwards. Most CrossFit are crap swimmers so factor that in with fatigue state already then you will drown if you can’t swim. It’s simple

[@zak-a-roo264]

Negligent homicide , he was potentially savable for minutes after he went under, they have footage of them not even TRYING?, absolutely unforgivable !!!

[@antongoykhman]

Prosecutors will go after them because they are liable now. There is video evidence that lifeguards could have saved him. I hope they are sued so they know how offed up they are. Prosecutor needs to charge the lifeguards which comes with territory. it was their job to observe and take action especially when someone noticed that he was having problems. He could have been saved.

[@landonbarretto4933]

That could be the only intelligent comment here so far.

[@zak-a-roo264]

My freind Susan who still lives today after drowning for 10 minutes when knocked overboard sailing, one girl found her, hauled her in and TACKED her boat against the wind and got to shore while pumping Sues chest with her FOOT! ....but THESE GUYS?!?!?! Sailed and surfed my whole life, got a pile of stories like this, people just not stopping for that extra 5 or 10 minutes and saving a life by simple commitment of self to another.

[@TheGreatChrisB]

I feel bad for the guy who jumped in and was stopped. He knowingly had to watch someone die. Everyone else was just naive or blind.

[@maxmeier532]

he should sue for his psychological damage.

[@alphaomega1351]

These are adults who know the risks. 😳

[@marcryan5399]

Unless you are a trained Life Guard with safety equipment (Safety bouy / ring) it can turn into a double drowning in a split second.

[@brianb.7435]

@@marcryan5399 yes, but the life guard didn’t even swim out ! Terrible !

[@tchevrier]

exactly!! lifeguards to procuspied stopping someone from saving a drawing man that they didn't notice the drawing man.

[@mrgq2000]

In triathlon, a swim would be canceled if water temperature is above 90 degrees, which was the temperature of the water during that event.

[@LostGirlAt22]

'somebody is drowning, let's continue and collect the body later after the game' 😵‍💫 Wtf is this logic???!!! 💀

[@hennyboi1523]

controlled reps with good form that explore a proper range of motion will make you look better and give you a lower risk of injury than jerking a deadlift bar around like a madman, seeing the way these people exercise is enough to make me wonder how they don't all go home with blown out knees and elbows in the first 2 weeks of training

[@noosphericaltarzan]

(1) CrossFit the way it is usually implemented is stupid and they took that stuff from Weightlifting. (2) Nobody really does clean and jerks and snatches for aesthetics. LOL. Aesthetics is stupid too. Weightlifters do that stuff because it's literally their sport. I train those things because they make me run faster (my sport). If you want to look good without using drugs, just pick a sport. An athletic body is a side effect of wanting to get better than before and compete with others. The language you used is a danger sign, honestly. Most guys in America (probably much of the West have this problem). Priorities are mixed up and it leads to drugs and weird exercise ideologies. If you want to be a bodybuilder or physique competitor or train along those lines, then by all means, train like them. But if not.. train for performance. Jerks and snatches are pretty good choices if you need to increase power production. This is not to say sports won't lead to drugs and excess either. I am just saying you are going straight there on your path. There's not middle way.

[@DefZen343]

from all the crossfit stuff ive seen on social media, they seem to wear their injuries like a badge of honor or battle scar. they seem so proud to have gotten injured. ridiculous to me but who am i to judge 😅

[@zacharyzbeetnoff7043]

Well that’s not necessarily the case. It’s mainly the comadarie. A good CrossFit gym encourages everybody be to scale the workout to their skill level. They have an RX (as prescribed) and a bunch of scaling options.

[@DenSumy]

do you understand that for them 225lb deadlift (weight they had in one of the workout) is near 40% of 1 rep max or less. It is not the same as when you do 225lb 5 times and need a rest for 5 minutes. They can afford it without issues.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@DenSumyif they are all so super human then why are they always injured?

[@arturolicona]

It's weird to me that the guy who invented crossfit doesn't even do crossfit, he just made a compilation of different exercises he never actually did

[@landonbarretto4933]

It's weird to me your comment and you've never done CrossFit. That's like me speaking on any number of subjects that I have no first-hand knowledge of.

[@stephanieherman2861]

wow that is interesting, thanks for sharing

[@ziffy88]

The problem with crossfit is that there's so many other gyn programs that can give the normal person a decent full body workout without killing or hurting them. For example 9 rounds or title boxing they're not competitive and they're friendly to people

[@rangerchief8004]

We have had a few CrossFit athletes come work out with us and none of them were able to keep up with us. I’m a retired Green Beret and we do full reps and they couldn’t handle it

[@landonbarretto4933]

Wrong. No one is being killed, other than the anomaly that is the subject of this video. I used to have bad shin splints. Is running evil, then?

[@JJ-iu5hl]

I'm not sure what this comment means. Crossfit is "a program that can give a normal person a decent full body workout without killing or hurting them." The vast... and I mean VAST... majority of people training in crossfit gyms across the world are doing it safely with at least decent coaches that can instruct them better than they would be on KZbin or Google. CrossFit is a huge organization. People like the elements. 9round is obscure. Apparently it's lacking something.

[@danielmsz]

@@rangerchief8004so what? Can you keep up with me? Does it mean your program is worse than mine? Were those people a sample of what CrossFit is? Given that CrossFit is practiced by even 80 years old people, I don’t think your logic to measure if a program works works.

[@noosphericaltarzan]

CrossFit is 100% responsible. Water was too hot. They programmed the swim after a run.

[@BlackDragonStudio]

Crossfit is pretty stupid. I am a professionally trained swimmer, and while we have no-pain no-gain mentality, we still know there is a upper limit of what you can physically do. My swim team did a swim-athon and the goal was to swim 5,000 yards in under two hours, and in my last year of participating I swam it in 1.3 while our national team was hitting sub hour times. We actually did some crazy stuff to. We had a swim that involved a 50 yard spring to a two mile open bay swim, to a 50 yard end swim. We had cross fitters on the same day, and some of the swimmers had to fish them out because they burned out during the swim. The fact that the lifeguards failed to recognize the signs of drowning and did nothing to assist, and stopped a police officer is rediculous.

[@andoletube]

The swim leg of any race should always be first. No athlete should enter the water pre-exhausted.

[@Craig-pk5cc]

@@andoletube have you never heard of run swim run races they happen globally year round.

[@maxmeier532]

@@Craig-pk5cc read his comment again and explain why you think your comment refers to his. In no way did he say, it doesnt happen, he said, it shouldnt happen. Get it? regarding your example, those races hopefully have better safety measures.

[@Zraknul]

​@@Craig-pk5cclook up what the word "should" means.

[@andoletube]

@@Craig-pk5cc If you have the entire course surveilled by safety staff, ok, but having exhausted swimmers swimming across long, unattended stretches of water - that's a recipe for disaster.

[@bmak114]

what about just a long swim where the athlete gets pre-exhausted in the first half of the race and then has to swim the 2nd half exhausted?

[@ForTehNguyen]

open water swimming with little safety protocols after a a 5 mile run was idiotic. Literally no one has died in UFC in competition since it started in the 90s against trained fighters

[@didamnesia3575]

None have died, many have brain damage. It's still a combat sport. Let's not pretend that martial arts are safe

[@jacklauren9359]

@@ForTehNguyen if you never done swimming and don’t know the technicalities of it then it is hard. Do a triathlon and it will make sense to you why they do swim first followed by land sports not the other way around. Common sense is not so common.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@jacklauren9359but also common sense literally doesn't exist because it's your specific experiences that dictate what is common to you.

[@landonbarretto4933]

3.5 mile run, half mile swim. A walk in the park for CrossFit Games level athletes. I'm a master's athlete and I could do that everyday of the week AFTER my normal work out. You're ignorant.

[@didamnesia3575]

@@landonbarretto4933 "a master's athlete" 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 gassing up on your own farts

[@jrgills]

What they do at the games is NOT what we do at affiliates. It’s mostly about moving efficiently and correctly at an elevated intensity.

[@j.artiste8596]

To me, it just looks like people who do movements they aren't really strong enough to do. I was taught that if you can't (for example) lift a weight slowly, then you are not strong enough to lift it. Lifting it quiclky with bad control will only be dangerous and cause injuries.

[@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters]

A lot of movements in Crossfit is basically cheating just to get a bigger number of reps and feel good with yourself. I don't know how can someone consider that as training. It's like tying yourself to a moving car so you can "run" faster.

[@WDLC1911]

@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters It’s up to YOU to do the exercise with proper form. It’s as much a spotlight on the athlete than the MRAP goal.

[@maxmeier532]

@@WDLC1911 Proper form is not on the athlete when the way to win is to get max reps per time, which is often the case. Bad form isnt an error, it's a prerequisite to be competitive in crossfit. That and PEDs. Those women look like they eat plenty of chicken and broccoli. I like their look, but I am also gay.

[@WDLC1911]

@@maxmeier532, look, max… *you* are responsible for you. If *you* choose to use sloppy form to “win” that’s solely YOUR call to make. We are all grownups. And, yes, I’ve competed in sports all of my life and, yes, I’ve done some Cross Fit but chose another form of fitness that was less brutal on the body.

[@zacharyzbeetnoff7043]

@@WDLC1911hell in the CrossFit gym. They also preach, if you can’t use proper technique in a workout. It’s too heavy.

[@myrb2622]

The issue is a culture of "no pain, no gain." But safety should be the priority in fitness. Results of your workouts literally don't matter if you tear muscles, break bones, become paralyzed, destroy your organs, or die.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@acmhfmggruthe thing here is that you are both using "no pain no gain" differently. They are using it in the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger regardless of injuries" way and you are using it as "push yourself past discomfort to reach heights you didn't know". Similar but one doesn't care about injury while the other is about embracing discomfort in some sort of moderation.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@acmhfmggru it isn't gatekeeping. Lookup what that means. You are both using the phrase differently so you are talking past eachother. They are using the phrase in the normal way whereas you are using it in a way that you redefined. No pain no gain never means moderation like the way you are using it.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@acmhfmggru I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Is this just poo tier trolling? Gate keeping and gas lighting have specific definitions and you aren't using either properly. You are just wrong.

[@terischannel]

Doc, I am very thankful for the way you break things down. I'm over 40 with a lot of old injuries and recently started getting back into the gym because I started getting fat 😂. I spent the first 2 weeks only adding dynamic stretches to my daily walks and increased my walks by a few minutes. It really helped with getting my body ready to get back into shape. I have never felt this good restarting my strength training.

[@thermitebanana]

As a former gym bro who's seen a lot of people attending gyms and not getting results, I thought cross fit would be awesome, because it incorporates both resistance and cardio, across varied exercises, and encourages people to actually put some effort in. But I can't get over the reckless disregard for safety, initially just in poor form and rushed reps, but such a high incidence of rhabdomyolysis that they joke about it is kind of a bad sign, and it really doesn't surprise me at all that they didn't have adequate precautions in place and ran this event in the wrong order and somebody died.

[@Pepesilvia267]

I’m not a long time cross fitter but most gyms have never seen even 1 case of rhabdo. It’s not that common. One of the main exercises that can cause it is GHD sit-ups and the majority of people who go to a CrossFit gym can’t and don’t even do those. I think David Goggins got it when he was trying to set the pull up record and that’s cuz high volume pull ups can also do it but you have to do a lot.

[@thermitebanana]

@@Pepesilvia267 "You'd be surprised how few people actually get Rhabdo" still isn't doing quite enough to convince me to join Crossfit

[@davemoss9505]

"gym bro"? How lame.

[@JJ-iu5hl]

​@@thermitebananaMaybe they weren't trying to get you to join. Maybe just correcting an incorrect implication.

[@thermitebanana]

@@JJ-iu5hl have you ever heard a Crossfit or Parkrun or Scientology member talk about their thing without trying to get you to join?

[@stonecoldprose]

I am always reminded of that meme that shows the guy in the full body cast and reads CROSSFIT CHANGED MY LIFE!

[@jesternario]

I love how every time you do a video looking at the dangers of some product or extreme workout technique, the ads are always about either that product/technique, or some other item related to it.

[@lazur1]

Contrary to implication, a well-designed bodybuilding program enhances strength, cardio, & flexibility, safely. Any other training should be sport-specific skill rehearsal. Crossfit confuses the two.

[@matthewpearson1760]

^^ never stepped in to a CrossFit Affiliate.

[@neversettlelife]

I’ve been doing CrossFit since 2013 + coaching since 2017. This video was so well done! Something I’ve always said is that CrossFit gyms are like sushi…you can get gas station sushi or get sushi from a 5 star restaurant…with little accountability + not much standardization with coaching, culture, + programming there’s so much room for long term issues…BUT when you have proper guidance from a good coach with longevity in mind + you have a great culture that doesn’t breed ego the workouts + experience are some of the best fitness we can achieve in 1 hour. Something has to change in CrossFit + a lot of us have been saying it for years + it has gotten SO much better over time. (Note how the old videos look absolutely ridiculous) Being your own advocate + taking personal responsibility is a great place for all of us to start. Before you join a gym do your research!

[@matthewpearson1760]

Gas station sushi.... best way to describe a bad gym. Doesn't smell right and definitely has negative repercussions.

[@sprice659ify]

I was a competitive swimmer in high school back in the 1970's. Our season coincided with wrestling season so we had to share the locker room with the wrestling team. One year, the wrestlers were really harassing us claiming our work outs weren't as tough as theirs. The wrestling coach was a no nonsense guy and friends with our swimming coach. After hearing the back and forth locker room banter one day, the wrestling coach decided to put an end to it by making the wrestling team go through a swimming workout. We started off doing 50 yard freestyle sprints. By the third set, we were pulling the wrestlers out of the pool to prevent them from drowning. That was the end of the argument and long story short, swimming is tough and requires extensive endurance training in the water.

[@ChrisCapoccia]

CrossFit Games is really different from the regular gym workouts and people doing them. CrossFit Games has continued to make competition risky and not mitigate expected risks

[@FormigaFit]

Thanks for doing this, Dr. Chris.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

My pleasure!

[@j.artiste8596]

They could have saved him. Even after he went under... people can be brought back.

[@maxmeier532]

they didnt find him in time. How that's possible is beyond me, he couldnt have been far from where he went under.

[@Pepesilvia267]

@@maxmeier532the muscle would cause him to sink to the bottom pretty quickly. From what I heard the water, as with many lakes, had low visibility and was fairly deep in the spot he went down. This is usually why you have a safety dive team on site because it’s too low visibility and too deep for a person to hold their breath and try to locate someone who went under. It’s possible if the paddleboarder dove in the instant his head went under water that he could have been saved. What seems dumb, and most of my triathlons are like this, is the paddleboarders rarely if ever have floatation devices they can toss to you.

[@ald1144]

@@Pepesilvia267I wonder if they ever even drilled it, exactly what a guy on a paddleboarder would be able to do. Or was it just, 'hey, people like exercising on paddle boards, wouldn't they look cool out there?"

[@JamalLamont]

This is sad. I used to love to do CrossFit years ago but my particular gym emphasized safety first.

[@ChrisCapoccia]

I'm sure the doctor knows about this, but rhabdomyolysis is not from a single workout being too hard. It's from sustained over-exercise and sustained lack of recovery

[@thedragonlady6661]

health and safety = a longer career. that is completely lost upon the overcompetitive short term gain obsessed society. I used to have the crossfit mentality. not all warrior mentalities are like this btw. i think a warrior mentality can be useful when training. when you ignore your injuries you are literally killing your ability to compete.

[@dangerszewski9816]

exactly! I want fitness for life, not for six months before I have to live a much more sedentary lifestyle afterwards because of injuries.

[@krymera666x7]

A warrior mentality doesn’t come from a gym. It’s earned with actual military training. None of these people have done the real days on end grind. The gym will never equal anything you face while serving!!!!

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@krymera666x7nice bait

[@krymera666x7]

@@GameTimeWhy not bait, pure experience and truth.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@krymera666x7 yeah so just weak bait like your weak experience and "truth".

[@JamesWilliams-en3os]

I have been more or less involved in Sports Medicine for 25 years, hold credentials issued by the American College of Sports Medicine, and have served as Head Team Physician of a NCAA school for more than 10 years. I have treated many extreme endurance athletes (marathon, triathlon, Crossfit, etc) on numerous occasions and I actually enjoy working with these athletes. But there is no question--based on the medical literature and my own medical practice--that while extreme sports can be very satisfying for participants, the risks of permanent injury are really high. I won't single out Crossfit as the worst type of exercise for this risk, but it's sure up there. You wont see many Crossfit participants who stay in the sport for 5 years or more, and over the age of 55 they are rare as hen's teeth. This is not a sport suited to maintaining a healthy exercise lifestyle for your whole life. But its fine while you can still do it... just don't hurt yourself!

[@gravitatemortuus1080]

So, my question is if fat is bad in high amounts due to pressure on the heart can to much muscle do the same thing. I mean at the extreme ends of weightlifting.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

A very large amount of muscle can also tax the heart too much.

[@gravitatemortuus1080]

@@ChrisRaynorMD Thank you for reply. I noticed you had video on that and will watch it.

[@onepiecefanization]

Yes. Sure, you may have less fat that puts more pressure/stress on your organs and knees, but you're still causing stress on your heart because it's pumping more blood to a body that's bigger than it should be or it can optimally handle. You're also still putting as much stress on your joints, mainly your knees, since you're carrying a lot of weight constantly, whether it be a lot of fat or muscle. When muscle building, your body will reach a limit of muscle growth and size based on your genetics. Bodybuilders, however, use drugs to enhance their muscle building capacity beyond what their body could do naturally. You still need a healthy amount of fat (12-18% body fat), since fat is a fuel source your body relies on and regulates body temperature.

[@lazur1]

One's unlikely to gain heart-unhealthy muscular weight, unless they consume huge amounts of food/supplements, & take steroids.

[@maxmeier532]

the "fat" is mostly a problem because it's one cause for atherosclerosis.

[@definit1on119]

There is a reason that the swim is always first in triathlons. This is from the sprint to the full iron man. If you have an issue during the swim you die. If you you have an issue during the run you fall to the ground.

[@sayharris1361]

Thanks Doc, keep up the great work.✊🏾

[@LakeLifeHiggins]

Love CrossFit but I don’t do anything beyond what feels right. I scale things to make them work for me. It has really changed my 50 something life for the better❤️🤛🏽

[@RouletteRog]

I train for the sport of weightlifting, which means that I'm at a CrossFit gym. I've offered to help a few folks in the gym with their lifts, and while I'm not a certified weightlifting coach, I do recommend that new CrossFitters go to a gym with a certified (e.g., USA Weightlifting) weightlifting coach on staff.

[@ellieb445]

Great advice!

[@homerocalixto1612]

Another amazing video. Thanks

[@Barkely3721]

CrossFit really needs to invest in advertising. Based on these comments, nobody seems to understand the division between the CrossFit Games and CrossFit affiliates. The Games is a 4-day event in which athletes, many who don't even belong to a CrossFit affiliate, compete in numerous workouts. The athletes are extremely fit and have qualified through a series of competitions (the open, quarterfinals and semifinals). In contrast, the CrossFit affiliates are fitness facilities where regular people participate in workouts. Yes the workouts often involve weightlifting, gymnastics and cardio, but they are all modified to each person's abilities. We have incredibly fit people, obese people, pregnant people and old people (me), all performing the same workout, but with different modifications. We are not "pushing the limits," passing out, or being carried out on stretchers with serious injuries. I've been blessed with great coaches at my affiliate. It makes all the difference.

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

that's why you have swimming first in these type of events

[@mrdave777]

It’s isn’t for me. But I’ve known CF athletes. We’re talking injuries, and working through it, not resting . It’s crazy.

[@rashon420]

Crossfit gets way too much hate from people who don’t know anything about it. Poor form in any sport is dangerous. Combat sports are dangerous, Ironman is dangerous, ultra running is dangerous, mountaineering is dangerous, squatting 1000 pounds is dangerous, many things that are worth doing are dangerous and they are only worth doing because they are dangerous or because they push us to our limits. Make CrossFit less dangerous and it’s not as cool

[@gur262]

Pushing yourself to the edge of exhaustion and going again and again and again with weights overhead and peer pressure is more dangerous

[@rashon420]

@@gur262 climbing Everest is dumb too but people do it and people die. But it’s pretty cool to summit the tallest mountain. Why not just walk up a small hill?

[@buckaroobonsi555]

If combining high intensity cardio intervals with reistance training you normaly either use lighter weight dumbells and work a circuit of higher reps or if doing compound exercises you keep reps low weight heavier and add more sets in the form of more circuits. Typicaly you will have a short rest period for a beginner like 2 minutes between cicuits. Each week you might reduce the rest period between circuits by 10 seconds to 20 seconds each week. When you can complete the workout with not more than 30 seconds of rest between circuits you increase the weight and start the rest period over again and reduce the rest accordingly. Some people will skip the HIIT cardio completly and just make sure they have enough total exercises in the circuit alternating parts of the body being trained so that they get some resitance anerobic benifit and some cardio benifit. They may or may not take a break between every circuits choosing to accumulate more metabolic byproducts. They will typicaly have enough exercises so that local muscle fatigue is not enough to stop a circuit so imagine an 11 dumbell exercise circuit they might be able to do multiple circuits before needing a short rest but local muscle fatigue itself never becomes an issue. If they have an empty gym they might set up the machines in advance and do 1 set to failure on each machine never stopping until they have ran the entire circuit of machines. The trick is timing it so you have the gym mostly to your self at off hours. There are many ways to use body weight training and weights to set up a circuit that can combine anerobic and aerobic energy systems safely with out risk of injury of urinating in on the gym floor!

[@catking396]

I don’t think people should comment on CrossFit without actually trying it. I used to make fun of it, citing the same points you’re making. Then I decided to try it. No, we’re not in the gym killing ourselves to be competitive. No, we’re not getting injured. A good affiliate and coach will not allow you to use terrible form and will suggest scaling options. Actually my previously sore shoulders now feel better, completely normal and strong now. My VO2 max has increased, my blood pressure has lowered. My compound lifts went up by 40 lbs each. I can hike up mountains 3x faster than I could as a powerlifter. I think we need to separate the CrossFit games from the regular experience of a regular member at the box.

[@joejo4549]

Yeah a lot of people have no coaching in normal gyms

[@oddunz-zt7zg]

So much juicing going on in this “sport”

[@maxmeier532]

absolutely. The top women look insanely juiced.

[@definit1on119]

So?

[@maxmeier532]

@@definit1on119 Is that all you got?

[@bengoodey]

100° Fahrenheit =37,778 Celsius

[@trepaning]

always good info

[@ptf55]

Wow...brilliant video.

[@anitajimena]

i have 2 points: 1. i did olympic weightlifting for about a year before i moved into crossfit. i definitely would recommend that people go to olympic weightlifting classes and get the correct form down before even attempting crossfit. things could have gone very very wrong if i hadn't known how to weightlift correctly. 2. it's funny, i used to be a rower in hs, and a lot of the attitude of "pushing your body to the limit until you vomit or black out" and pushing through massive lactic acid production until failure exists in rowing as well. for dry land practices, we would use the ergs, and it was common practice to have the gym doors open and have trash cans waiting outside for people to run out and vomit into them after finishing their set. it's interesting to notice that i gravitate towards exercise of that kind lol

[@brad885]

As a former lifeguard, you can absolutely be held liable for this. Rules be damned you can't compete if you're dead

[@contrasbeatshop]

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[@Twintoequadheel]

GLORY

[@nickmallett7391]

1:There are plenty of multisport events around the world where the swim is preceded by another leg of the race. 2: Lazar was an elite water polo player, a very competent swimmer (who had tested the entire event a few days beforehand) and was one of the favorites to win that event. 3: The event was specifically started just before sunrise to mitigate the expected heat of the day. The ambient air temp at the time was about 86F. Cooler than many outdoor endurance events 4: It was clear that Lazar was experiencing a "unusual panic inducing event" . Someone of his vast swim experience should not have any trouble at all on a dead flat,calm swim. Something unusual happened and that was there for all to see and this brings us to the two Stand up Paddleboarders. They are the ones who need to be investigated. How is it possible that they did not see Lazar struggling? Why did they not move over to him to assist?

[@buckaroobonsi555]

Nothing about crossfit is focused on fitness. Ballistic exercises like the Olympic lifts have nothing to do with general health and fitness and are high risk exercises for anyone not competing in Olympic Weight Lifting. If all you want is general fitness you do not have to engage in high risk training styles.

[@MatthewSouza]

I’m surprised how little you actually know on this subject. Your lack of research here is startlingly.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Please educate me then. Can you list the errors?

[@MatthewSouza]

@@ChrisRaynorMD Yes. 1. No mention of Greg Glassman offering the most complete definition of fitness and health. 2. No mention of the NSCA case where CrossFit proved in court that the NSCA committed scientific misconduct and false injury data about CrossFit. 3. Greg Glassman has stated publicly multiple times that he did not like the Games (the sport of CrossFit) which you conflated with the CrossFit methodology in the video. Most notable evidence of this in Jan 2019 when website photos turned from athletic looking people to old people in their living room. 4. CrossFit being sold to a P.E. company in 2020 and how most of the people that worked there no longer since then and how that might have impacted the Games. 5. Left out “at maximum intensity”.. “(relative to the physical and psychological tolerances of the participant)” which it clearly states in the L1 And more…

[@PeterOrPedro]

Word on the street is the guy here educated you and then you deleted his comment?

[@tonydecuba]

@@MatthewSouza yep… he deleted it 😂😂😂

[@GoodWillRacing]

@@ChrisRaynorMD we would have more respect for your commentary if A. You don’t delete comments B. Came on popular CrossFit podcasts like Sevans or Hillers for a proper discussion. Come on, what you got to lose?

[@RankinMsP]

It's all about the quickest way to look amazing. Exercise has no longer become about health and fitness but how wild a crazy you can be. Throw in social media and we have a recipe for the madness we see regularly in too many gyms. As an old gym head, I just look at these guys and feel sorry for them. It will catch up, trust me on that.

[@JasenJohns]

I’m curious. What are the relative injury or death rates between Crossfit & American Football?

[@DNTBINTROVRTED]

It’s never been safe. Never been a sport. It’s an activity one of those things you do most likely if you weren’t good at sports. If you couldn’t play an actual sport, this is what you did. They don’t even get respect that rockclimber get.

[@peteranesu8870]

They just have to adjust the way they do things, it is very good and beneficial just practised the wrong way

[@kaipakta817]

Couldn't play an actual sport often translates to "Got bullied off of the court..."

[@DNTBINTROVRTED]

@@kaipakta817 most likely or hit to hard on the field

[@WDLC1911]

@DNTBINTROVERTED, I disagree. Here in Baton Rouge we had a SEAL Team 7 guy open a box. It was stacked with truly athletic persons: ex-football players, ex-basketball players, ex-military guys (many ex-SOCOM guys). There were others (normal people) but they were athletic people but not to the degree of the ones I mentioned. Kipping is dangerous. And people need to stay in their lanes. I cannot compete with an ex-LSU football scholarship holder. Other than that… do the swimming first but make everyone mandatory hydrate with electrolytes first. Then you’re good.

[@Craig-pk5cc]

@@DNTBINTROVRTEDa lot of the recent new men have come from college football including people from the pac12

[@CarmineLupertazziJr-z3b]

So everyone is going to ignore the fact that inventor of Crossfit is the guy who has never done Crossfit and looks like a guy who has never stepped foot in the gym his entire life...

[@SuiLagadema]

How do you know somebody does crossfit? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

[@randyhavard6084]

If people want to participate in CrossFit more power to them. These people know the risk

[@marcdetemple3069]

Interessantes Video. Danke dafür.

[@libertyrenegade]

The best & most honest breakdown of CF I’ve ever heard.

[@wykieetsebeth]

Did you bother attending a CrossFit class in your research for this video? Majority of statements you make about CrossFit training just simply isn’t true. I think perhaps you’re confusing the Sport of CrossFit with the local CrossFit gym.. At your local CrossFit gym you are encouraged to work at a high intensity, but never at the expense of bad or dangerous movement. Scaling down weights and movement difficulty is also encouraged. Was also waiting for the answer to the question in your title. So do you think CrossFit is killing people or not?

[@gnuPirate]

Crossfit INC. Enough said just there. Corporations (in general, with few or some exceptions) don't give a fuck if you die. They only care about money, and the only way they will care about people dying is when they are held to some account and there is a penalty for death, injury, etc. However, by all appearances, Crossfit INC as an organization has a certain loose structure to it, maybe making it difficult to hold them accountable, even when it's clear their approach is responsible for these problems by design. The design being the way it hooks into the hyper-competitiveness that is deeply programmed into many Americans from their parents and schooling and society as a whole.

[@JVOCU]

CrossFit holding this competition need to be held accountable… Lawsuits incoming for sure and the person who told someone to get back saving someone should be held responsible as well

[@didamnesia3575]

Crossfit: timed exercises Martial arts: functional strength, new abilities, greater confidence, less likely to get in fights

[@georgebecker7951]

I mean apparently getting your cardio from lifting weights thickens the heart wall muscles maybe somehow that attributes

[@jlalonde1000]

I went to school for organizing camps first report was how to clear a area for ambulance when needed the roads they would use having people direct them where to go have proper first aid ready to go this is horrible planning

[@melmac7674]

Dukic said he was scared prior to comp. Because he had a great pre-work out. I question exhausting your body prior to comp. Warmup is one thing, bug beyond that you are just tacking on more exertion to the comp.

[@Campaigner82]

CrossFit pushes people to their limits (as it should be). I’ve been doing it for 5 years, paying 700SEK/70€ a month for it which I will confine doing cause it saved me. I’m jacked for the first time in my life.

[@kaiwilliams141]

The biggest issue with crossfit is it doesn't define it's RX standards well. Yes it does give weights but it doesnt say what those weights should be relative to you. A 135 lb deadlift/clean/snatch should equate to what percentage of your one rep max? How strong do you need to be to use 50lb dumbells? They dont say. I tell everyone working weights for barbells should be about 30-45% of your one rep max, if you dont know or are using dumbells i say start off way too light and if it's too easy go faster (meaning dont use more weight but move well and efficiently at a reasonable pace with light weight rather than a slow crawl with heavier weight).

[@goreobsessed2308]

Ah yes dieing for fitness makes so much sense 😂....wow what useless lifeguards they both need to be fired

[@djryan87]

Talking about taxing on your body, a lot of these CF games men and women are also using/abusing PEDs

[@9xqspx6]

I was very much surprised to see that they did open water swimming for a crossfit event. Those guys are not swimmers. If they do swimming at a race, it should be in a pool, where life guards can actually find someone who got underwater.

[@JZ-bs5pt]

So I don’t like bringing attention to negative health behaviors influencers participate in, but have you ever heard of Togi? Could you maybe do a video associated with the risks of abusing performance enhancers in addition to the excessive party drugs this dude does to offset his bad influence/advice?

[@giuliam2531]

I think were mixing a lot of pure hypertrophy training and hybrid training in this discussion...anyway it might be great foe health but personally the idea of doing a lot of things badly gives me ocd...

[@WDLC1911]

You should never get negligent on form, though. Some will be better than you. Compete with self.

[@JaePlay]

Don't get me started on the handstand pushup competition they run at the crossfit games

[@AndrewBassonZA]

question, I have a friend who has been doing crossfit for like 5 years now, he is a large person though meaning his weight is at or above the 150kg - 170 kg range , after the 5 years not much has changed at all with my friend making me think that perhaps that this specific crossfit place that he is attending might be misleading him to allow them to make more money with a disregard to my friends health , any ideas if I am just over thinking perhaps ? as I am not well versed when it comes to crossfit itself

[@tomsheppard378]

A lot of variables, the gym, how often your friend trains, his diet etc. I've done crossfit for 4 months and notice big difference. But I train everyday and also do BJJ, Judo running and swimming so was already fairly fit.

[@mojomax1959]

He must like it if he's been going for 5 years! It's not always about weight. If he feels good and healthy then good for him. I love my gym. Also nutrition is a huge factor almost more than working out. Just depends on what his goals are!

[@gur262]

The " knew the risks" thing only works if there were no lifeguards. Something like the isle of man TT🏍️ where you might crash into a wall at 150+mph. It's fair enough. It wouldn't be if there were safety barriers everywhere but 80 percent of them are counterfeit and don't cushion anything. You can't give competitors false safety

[@thehybridaruba]

Hey Doctor, I wanted to ask if you could change your KZbin thumbnail out of respect for his family and the community. This was the last time we saw Lazar, and it's still a painful reminder of what happened. Thank you.

[@OldGamingDood]

Are they marking their territory? Idk man but if you are peeing yourself while exercising then you're doing it wrong.

[@saschamayer4050]

Don't they have toilets at their gyms?

[@stevenbaker7894]

Crossfit was a cult over a decade ago and clearly they're not changing such "tough" people 😂.

[@BernhardKohli]

Hi 12:28 I think you misspoke - while the body can break down proteins for energy, that's a last resort and you probably meant fat and carbs for long distance energy, not fat and proteins. Also, while I understand that some meme videos are entertaining- it would be good to have a stamp clarifying which ones are for fun (eg the guy doing "butterly" pullups in his back yard pullups rig is a video podcaster who knows how to do proper butterflies so that was a joke video yet you let it run as if that was "normal" CrossFit. Watch WODscience on this topic - great review of publications on safety stats.

[@elisecunningham5239]

Swimming after running is a potential death for many. You cramp up after putting swimming last and you don’t have any way to abort.

[@OvelNick]

Maybe but it's no different than many sport...no matter how you shake it it's not healthy.

[@crabmudd9]

doc can you do research on the invulnerability that some people in Asia have scientifically. actually supernatural things are also included in physics. where the theory of conservation of energy does exist. and in metaphysics supernatural beings are energy entities but without bodies...if you dont mind

[@michaelmichael8494]

Fitness industry, just like food industry, tobacco industry and other industries, has nothing to do with making people healthier. It has everything to do with its executives gaining power and its employees making money. If it takes creating a sect and urging its adherents to practice unhealthy, potentially traumatizing and outright dangerous practices, then that's what it takes. The difference is, McDonalds or British American Tobacco aren't trying to convince you their products will benefit your health (although I think Subway does, and tobacco industry did, back in the day, until pharmaceutical industry proved to be more powerful). There isn't and never was a natural way of life where humans would need to lift stuff over 200 pounds, or rapidly lift and manipulate 100+ pounds of weight on a regular basis, or bulk up beyond the point of overweight, or even do anything closely similar. That's not to mention that ALL fitness icons from ANY sports are dosed to the eyeballs with steroids, and their muscular, shiny bodies are rotting from the inside. They have all sorts of injuries and pains, their hormones are messed up, men are generally overweight and women have way too low body fat, exacerbating their hormonal disorders, reproductive and other health problems. The way our bodies are built is to walk a lot, sometimes run at a reasonable pace, jump over obstacles, rarely run very fast, carry things of up to maybe 40 pounds, move and pull our own bodies in different ways and directions, bend and rotate to a natural extent, etc. "Oh, just use all those safety measures and adhere to perfect form and technique in every exercise all the time, and you'll be fine!" - that's pure bs. Whenever you hear this, it means you're definitely getting all kinds of injuries and health complications doing whatever these dodgy guys are pushing to you, sooner or later. Will you be healthier doing that as compared to living as a vegetable, eating fast food, drinking and smoking? Probably. But you won't be healthy.

[@LupoGalante]

Multi-dimensional fitness is composed of endurance, flexibility, power and strength in periodized programs which cut across these sectors allowing them to develop gradually and intelligently not this lycra clad, adrenaline pumped leg swinging chin ups and uncontrolled 25 rep power clean or hang snatch nonsense...

[@nadilenebudski]

Tragic, but its Cross-Shit. Where bad form is the norm. I believe Infinite Elgintensity calls it the "Washed up loser olympics." What cracks me up the most about the crossfit games is that they refer to them as "athletes." Should say "exercisers."

[@seanm3933]

One distinction to note is Crossfit is not the same as the Crossfit Games where Lazar passed away. The Games are the extreme where the boundaries of fit athletes are pushed to the limit. It makes you sound ignorant when you use the two interchangeably. They are very different.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

THe games are the culmination of the general sport of Crossfit. More extreme for sure, but the culture of pushing yourself is central to each. I have been to Crossfit classes myself and I have employed coaches who previously taught Crossfit. But perhaps I am ignorant.

[@JJ-iu5hl]

​@@ChrisRaynorMDThe culture of pushing yourself is at both, yes. But it's also there in a competitive sales job or a fast food restaurant during rush hour. It's like comparing kids who play football out back after school every day to NFL players. Same sport; really incomparable. I think care has to be taken to not perpetuate this myth that joining your local crossfit gym is going to be bad for you. I've seen crossfit change people's life astronomically for the positive. There's enough hate and negativity associated with it, even though it's vastly positive. Love the channel, though. Subscriber and a fan.

[@johnsmith-h1q7k]

They should have had more life guards in the water.

[@Kayrunningandcoffeeaddict]

Glad I’m a runner…this looks like torture.

[@littlethuggie]

There's inherent danger with every extreme sport. But this is a failure of the lifeguards to do their one job. They are employed by crossfit. No one from Crossfit thought it would be wise to jump in and search for him. It's 100% on CrossFit, and hopefully they get sued into oblivion and the lifeguards become full time butt plugs

[@k1ngv1per70]

Just a heads up - Lazar was a professional level water polo athlete...so a well conditioned swimmer

[@stuffbenlikes]

Basic methodology is great, you'll get in fantastic shape. The competitive side, otoh.... But is it as bad as say competitive body building where people fill themselves with dangerous drugs and heart attacks abound? As for Lazar's death... So much negligence! Badly planned event, bad lifeguards, bad communication, lack of urgency, the list goes on.

[@gur262]

One being bad doesn't make the other better. Seen pro CrossFit women ? They do take roids

[@stuffbenlikes]

@@gur262 Please point me to articles about Crossfit athletes dying from heart attacks in their 20's and 30's. I can find plenty of bodybuilders.

[@canadagoof]

Damn, with a name like his, one would think he'd come back to life 😔 jokes aside, my condolences to his family and friends...

[@Rairosu]

もし私があの水の中にいたなら、ラザール・デュキッチを泳いで助けに行き、一緒に曳航していただろう。命に代わりはない。

[@dwoncrawford5823]

If he wasn’t on land or couldn’t be seen in the water it’s obvious he was under the water. They should have stopped to locate him.

[@cruxisification]

wait untill the nannas find out about mountaineering or fishing......

[@Phillip_higgins]

not chinups they are flopups their joints are gonna be in great shape in a few years