Is Donald Trump Spengler's Caesar? On The Decline of the West

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

If you want to go deeper into Spengler, here is our course on The Decline of the West: halkyonacademy.teachable.com/p/spengler-the-decline-of-the-west

[@marktregear5776]

The short answer is No

[@aesop1451]

My answer is yes. All the different threads come together perfectly: 1) The Faustian West is creatively and spiritually exhausted. All it has left is technology, which Elon represents. He's involved in transhumanism through Neuralink and Mars colonization through SpaceX. 2) Spengler's Winter phase corresponds to Guenon and Evola's Kali Yuga or Iron Age. Guenon predicted that there will be a "Great Parody" in the end times. A counter-tradition or inverted spirituality. Transhumanism fits this role, but we should also note that JD Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin as an influence on him. Yarvin is a blogger that has made secular arguments in favor of monarchy. 3) Right now there is a conflict going on in the Middle East. Trump was chosen by a certain group of people to solve this conflict. Once there is peace in the Middle East, the Third Temple will be rebuilt. Look up the IMEC Corridor (India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor). Israel will benefit immensely. 4) Are you starting to see the pieces coming together? The world is embracing right-wing populism and faith in democracy is at an all time low. People have become more willing to give unrestricted power to politicians in hopes that they will solve the issues of the age.

[@luisbustamante9869]

He's not Cesar, he is Nero, known for his personal debaucheries and extravagances and for his burning of Rome and persecutions of Christians.

[@candide1065]

@@luisbustamante9869 What is wrong with you?

[@MONOTHROPITE]

It's like a child found a dictionary. Get a real education and you might see something true.

[@luisbustamante9869]

@@candide1065 Acute observation? Chronic alertness? Terminal bull**** spotting?

[@celmaidinpadurebaiat]

no, he is not the equivalent of caesar. but he is an extraordinary man, meaning he can bend and shape reality around him. i think each is in a cathegory of his own

[@MikeGeorgeC0619]

Ironic: because if there is a Ceaser; odds are he's watching this.

[@AbsbsjdbZhahebsjs]

To be fair, we do need to find a new form of government and even system building. A revaluation of all values, like Nietzche said. One ought not to be weak like Nietzche and actually set a new system. Why denied nature of its will to power through us, right? Of course a system for the species, not country men.

[@genericascanbe3728]

yes I am, (I a middle class, Gen Z from suburbs and, have 0 measurable chance of that)

[@Iplayedbarbiegames]

Why do you think so?

[@lawsoflycurgus]

I am.

[@cesarbolet2181]

Yes I am watching😂

[@haleffect9011]

He isnt, if anything, he's more like a Graccus figure, a portent of things to come rather than anyone particularly important in and of themselves.

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

Pretty much. Actually, I'd argue that the first portent of things to come (in the vein of Trump) was Ronald Reagan. He was a certified actor who became president...filthy rich, appealing to the masses, but not really in charge of anything. Trump is another actor who became president...and his presidency and popularity are all about his wealth and showmanship. He's a much worse version of Reagan. Where Reagan acted modest and appeared to have a vision beyond himself, Trump is merely an empty suit egoist, blatantly and solely dedicated to his own celebrity.

[@straussbolkonsky]

this is ridiculous, Graccus made economic policies to benefit the working class like land reforms... Trump is litearlly doing the opposite, enriching the elites and applying tariffs that the middle and lower classes will have to pay.

[@DaleGamburg]

Ceasar was an actual genius.military and political, which is rare.

[@StiloVerso-kn7wn]

Also literary! The Gallic and Civil Wars are a model of elegant Latin, and he also wrote political speeches, as well as poetry (Laus Herculis) and a work on the rules of grammar. Imagine that from Trump!

[@Badbentham]

​@@StiloVerso-kn7wn You forgot that he was likely a brilliant mathematician; his calendar is basically still in use.

[@themsmloveswar3985]

Alexander the Great, Bonaparte, Eisenhower, Charles de Gaulle...

[@kyleelsbernd7566]

@@StiloVerso-kn7wn Also fashionable as a young man, handsome and much copied (especially his trend of loose cuffs and standing collars). Musicians sought him out.

[@jb894]

Trump is also a genius

[@GarryCraigPowell-z3n]

Writing 100 years ago, Spengler thought it was already winter, and expected the end of the Faustian civilisation (ours) about now. He was right. Clearly it's dead now.

[@jl696]

How do you explain all the technological discoveries and advancements that Western Civilization made in the 20th Century? You could argue that we had a decline of the spirit and morality of the West, especially in the later 20th Century, but I am not sure that we could call it Winter until, perhaps, now.

[@magpiecity]

Caesar will appear when Trump fails...

[@marktregear5776]

But that is not to say that a Caesar will not appear

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Exactly

[@lawsoflycurgus]

I am constantly preparing myself for the day I rise.

[@siriusthedog5270]

Yes.

[@neilkiots]

laughing, imagining this as the post-election recap on mainstream media

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

None of them have ever read anything except Harry Potter.

[@farzanamughal5933]

@@JohannesNiederhauser Trump is literally voldemort!

[@dg-ov4cf]

@@JohannesNiederhauser chauvinism like this is what rationalizes slavery

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@JohannesNiederhauser😂😂😂 it’s saddening, but so true

[@GarfieldKartPMC]

great leaders require a great people. there is no great people left

[@randallrobertson7190]

The Trumps are the Graccus. Not the Iulius.

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

Came here to type this

[@Thought_Processing_]

No he isn’t, he is the Sulla.

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

@@Thought_Processing_ Sulla was an Optimate to turned dictator to undo populist reforms and eliminate his perceived threats to the Republic, then made reforms to turn the state apparatus stronger and prevent other great men from doing the same (unsuccessfully). Sulla would be the equivalent of some Deep State figure sizing power by authoritarian means to uphold the already existing regime, who would persecute populists like Trump and dissenters. Sulla is literally the "restricting democracy to save our democracy" meme.

[@randallrobertson7190]

@Thought_Processing_ The best response to this ironically comes from leftist Cenk Uygur. "The Democrats don't really think Trump will be a dictator because when we tried to get someone, anyone to run against Trump, they all declined. 2028, they said. Meanwhile, if they actually believed their rhetoric their wouldn't BE an election in 2028." You've fallen prey to oligarch propaganda released by a media that's been co-opted by the intelligence services. Be a little more discerning in the future, and maybe you, too, can become immune to fake news.

[@Mrdean0001Dean]

Absolutely not, he lines up with Tiberius Gracchus. A family member can substitute as Caius Gracchus later.

[@amirmichaelroyer]

Yes, indeed

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe...for the axe convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.

[@BaliBillionaire]

I really like this quote, but I think you have applied it completely opposite. The wooden handle convincing the trees is identity politics of the democrats, and the axe head is regressive viewpoints, ineffective policies, and a destructive nature that at its core wants to chop down the system rather than maintain or build anything up, because that is the more difficult part of the process that they are too shortsighted to see. Liberals are like a righting crowd with axes, they know that they are angry, and they want to chop things down, but they don’t know who, what, or why. They will end up with a clear cut forest, and wonder why they have no food. That’s putting it in the context of your quote. A vast majority of the Trump supporters have swung his way as a rejection of liberal hysteria.

[@seriouslythistimeimeanit]

Parabol of the wheat and the tare

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

@@BaliBillionaire Nah, man, it's a clown working as a fry cook at McDonald's and riding in a garbage truck.

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

@@BaliBillionaire Nah, man, it's a rich man pretending to work as a fry cook at McDonald's and riding in a garbage truck.

[@abdirahmanbadal781]

No.He is an important character in the ending American empire. Like those kings or emperors who appear just before empires go down.The calm before the storm.

[@candide1065]

The salt and tears are strong in this one.

[@AYTM1200]

​@@candide1065very salty, need some fries with it.

[@abdirahmanbadal781]

@candide1065 I am not an American nor do I care about your political parties. I am neutral about Trump.The fact is your empire is going down regardless of Trump.

[@Echo40K]

Salty, teary-eyed, copium right here.

[@watermelonlalala]

Trump was installed by the Zionist Empire. It is not going down.

[@sturmman100]

Dude had his Rubicon (did not cross) on 6th of January 2020.

[@admincxs1670]

Yup

[@zomgoose]

Donald ❌ Barron ✅

[@Echo40K]

Can't wait to see Baron's rise to power. Would be interesting to see.

[@mnk9073]

Caesar Augustus, that'd make Vance his Anthony?

[@dennishickey7194]

You're certifable.

[@jl696]

@@mnk9073 And who is his Agrippa?

[@AdobadoFantastico]

Sulla is more likely imho. The one who shows where the cracks are and forces drastic measures. Caesar is someone watching this unfold right now and getting creative ideas about what they could do from that position of power.

[@AdobadoFantastico]

My anime plot prediction is that Vance assA$$inates him on Jan 6 2029 instead of certifying whoever. He becomes president and pardons his own crime. Then Peter Thiel does his evil laugh and we cut to black.

[@admincxs1670]

I really like this comment, well put!

[@alanmarr3323]

Don't insult Caesar . I remember translating his Gallic Wars

[@adalbertthomalla4887]

Dear Johannes, thank you for your contribution! I'd like to share my thoughts. Inspired by readings like Varoufakis's Technofeudalism, I delved into some numbers. It's clear that real estate is a far more critical asset than big tech. According to a recent McKinsey study, 66% of global net worth is tied to real estate-a sector heavily influenced by demographics. As you know, the West faces very low birth rates. This, combined with welfare systems (especially in Germany), is a key driver for migration, as it sustains demand for real estate. Imagine the decline if there were no migration. Emanuel Todd suggests in Lineages of Modernity that Germany might have a vested interest in prolonging the Ukraine conflict to benefit from Ukrainian migration. In the current decline, asset owners are motivated to preserve their wealth despite demographic and economic challenges. The goal appears to be to maintain stability, often at the expense of the lower classes. I believe the political influence of the real estate asset class is still underestimated (in the media or critical "bubble"). Just my two cents.

[@MichaelK.-xl2qk]

No, but he plays one on TV.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

A Caesar simulacrum

[@MichaelK.-xl2qk]

@JohannesNiederhauser 'Not reality - actuality.'

[@Swedishpolymath]

Is this Spengler guy the one that predicted that America would crumble before the year 2026

[@scottweaverphotovideo]

No one who knows anything about the life of Julius Caesar would compare Trump to him in any way.

[@ellaharvey7597]

Trump 😅😅😅. " He came, he saw, he conquered" " The American Emperor of all America? Against all odds , he won the heart's and minds of the American nation and it's people. Astounding!! The people have spoken ! ❤❤❤❤

[@theweakestunionberlinenjoy4536]

"What if the gracchi brothers weren't assassinated" might play out in these 4 years

[@ThomasSimmons-u5x]

Johannes, my brother... bloody BRILLIANT. Cheers, Prost from America!!

[@spamrice9914]

I hope so, because after Cesar Rome went really hard

[@realmcafee]

that’s an insult to Caesar.

[@nathanrodriguez7943]

Thank you for this. Do you have a recommendation on an english language translation of Spengler's Decline?

[@HunterNinjacat]

Any thoughts on him being more like a Sulla?

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Share yours

[@aesop1451]

The America of the Founders died by the end of the Civil War, if not by the 1920s when America lost its Anglo-Protestant identity. Maybe, maybe 1964 with the Civil Rights Act and 1965 with the Immigration and Nationality Act. Now we got Poojeets running for President quoting Thomas Jefferson.

[@AdobadoFantastico]

Yes, I've always found it weird Sulla doesn't come up. If there is a future Caesar/Napoleon they're currently watching this unfold and scheming what'll happen when they get their seat in power based on what we're witnessing in this chaos. Trump exposed fulcrums of abuse. The question for a would be revolutionary is how to get more direct control, or set up partners/conspirators in those key positions as Trump's done in the court. The Fed, DoD, and congress would be the next big ones to rerig, I guess.

[@HunterNinjacat]

​@JohannesNiederhauser Sulla is both a precedent and foil to Caesar. Both are military generals, not men of the senate who avoided battle. Both also marched on Rome and wielded somewhat unchecked power. However Sulla is the one who relinquished his dictatorship, and he was not a populist, whereas Caesar did the inverse. As you stated, Trump is a man of (tremendous) money, it would be hard to imagine him breaking the system of money, democracy, when it has served him so well. He also relinquished control of his presidency at his first terms end (albeit with vocal protest) in an ultimately peaceful manner - no war was fought to transition administrations. This is more akin to Sulla than Caesar. Now, he does have the backing of certain financial and political elites (Musk and Thiel, as you alluded to), who are similarly quite invested in this financial system. Yet the broader established political elite were set against him, as evidenced by the embrace of Cheney and McCain into the anti-Trump camp, though they were once vilified. Whether this is evidence that he is a Caesarian populist is debatable, though I see a fair case for it. He claims to have the intention of bureaucratic reduction, personal economic deregulation, and the bolstering of individual rights - certainly more of a populist lean. If actually accomplished, I do think he might have closer parallels Spengler's Caesar. Not that it breaks democracy itself, but it would do a fair bit of tearing apart the established order. For a nation so inspired by Rome from the outset, it is no wonder we expect it to birth a Caesar at some point. You've definitely got me to thinking about this a lot more!

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

@@HunterNinjacat Great, thank you!

[@alexvatoussis6001]

Great analysis!

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

@@alexvatoussis6001 thank you, Alex. Hope you’re well

[@Z3nHolEminD]

Queens of the Stone Age: in times New Roman ….

[@trogoautoegocrat666]

If he adopts a liberal attitude to crypto, he could brake the role of money if it is able to diminish the power of centralized banking along with other centralized systems. A big ‘if.’

[@cblse]

Somehow Caligula springs to mind as a more appropriate analogy. When he appoints some horse's ass to the Senate the comparison will be more obvious.

[@AfrikaKorp42]

His actual horse as 1st Consul. More of a "my horse can run this Empire better than you lot" move than a sign of his insanity.

[@odysseuspsarros]

He is more Leonidas of SPARTA !!!!

[@uberneanderthal]

"he who pays the piper, calls the tune" any potential to be Caesar ended when Trump accepted Sheldon's shekels.

[@aesop1451]

Well it fits what the Bible, Evola, and Guenon say about the End Times. If we take a look at Napoleon, Napoleon was instrumental in spreading the ideas of the French Revolution. He also emancipated the shtetl. You can have a "based" Caesarian figure that is purely pragmatic and has no ideology. The Austrian painter wrote a manifesto and was more uncompromising.

[@watermelonlalala]

Dos a search for "Caesar and the Jews"

[@ghiaccio4179]

if that means "The evil empire" by RATM becomes USA soundtrack, might as well

[@1fredwahl]

Damn good picture you have there.

[@philip.morris]

Good video,I should read up on Spengler

[@degalan2656]

I thought more like Scooby-Doo?

[@IanK369]

His is the Caesarean section to the establishment, and will deliver us from the womb of evil.

[@jimduffield7822]

Wouldn't Franklin (I got 4 terms) Roosevelt be the closest thing we have to a Cesar. Trump is gonna do his 4 years and hit the road and the Republicans are gonna have a rough time after he is gone.

[@PsyManMagusX-b5j]

Not likely, this is the decade of action. It started in 2020 and will only expand up to 2030. That's literally the plan and trump will play his part in this transformation.

[@nicolasolton]

Trump wont last 4 years...cue Vance.

[@aesop1451]

@@nicolasolton I have that same theory. I expected Trump to win, but not this big. Why didn't _they_ steal the election this time? Trump has two options: Comply or get replaced. He might get replaced anyways. We would see levels of patriotism not seen since 9/11. Patriot Act 2.0 or Enabling Act. Vance, who is uncharismatic, would have a mandate to go after those responsible.

[@straussbolkonsky]

you really think Trump is stopping at 4 years? no way, he has plans to perpetuate himslef in power

[@jimduffield7822]

@@nicolasolton If sleepy Joe and can do it Trump can do it. Well see how the midterms go, Im sure the dems will bring more fake impeachments if they get the chance.

[@Bakarost]

I, for one, welcome our caeser

[@Leonard-td5rn]

Commies try to convince people they are both made of wood But you can't eat wood

[@michealmackintosh4502]

"For he came down from Trump towers and beheld the wretched condition and said what have you done to overcome man"(with apologies to Nietzsche).

[@gredem4799]

Im really happy to witness to see the rise of Julius Caesar of the USA Empire after the failed assassination attempt from the evil Wallstreet gathering (Blackrock)

[@beauzeph]

i hope Marc Andresson sees this

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

He has enrolled in some of our courses so maybe yes.

[@aesop1451]

@@JohannesNiederhauser It's kind of strange that Silicon Valley tech executive would be interested in philosophies and worldviews that are critical of technology. Trust me, technology + monarchy is not going to be as based as you think it is. In the 40s and 50s the West had economic prosperity. If you got rid of all the economic and demographic problems, it would only take us back to the 40s and 50s.

[@cbeaudry4646]

The short answer is no, but we can keep hoping!

[@PsyManMagusX-b5j]

Believe it or not I predicted 4 years ago trump would be reelected, this time we're in for a big surprise. Not a good one either.

[@aesop1451]

✡

[@mapleandsteel]

How exactly would Peter Thiel and Elon Musk be Caesarian? Would you kindly expand on that?

[@nicolasolton]

Elon may turn out to be like Crassus.😮

[@aesop1451]

Thiel is involved in facial recognition and surveillance. Musk is involved in Neuralink and space exploration. Thiel is also connected to Curtin Yarvin, a monarchist blogger. Notice that most people are pessimistic about the future. The West has no religion left. All they can unify behind is an optimistic vision of a good economy, new technology, and space exploration. Future American leaders will offer the people a Singapore deal - good governance in exchange for less democracy and less rights.

[@mapleandsteel]

@@aesop1451 it’s funny you say that, because I’m in Singapore right now

[@watermelonlalala]

@@aesop1451 We don't have good government and we aren't getting good government. Looks to me like we may be getting a Zionist and (totally phony) bloodline of Jesus monarchy/one world government. Jesus the rebel leader who wanted to overthrow the Romans and was a Jewish rabbi, not the Christian Jesus. But the Christians will fall for it.

[@MasonMorgen]

Now we need an Alaric.

[@Sorg22]

You let me down because I never did get to hear what it means "the rule of money "rule of technology "… Considering the fact that technology has always been with us and currency/trade has always been with us. I hope you will do a part two to this topic because it seems like it would be you to talk more about Trump in this regard, especially about Trump, considering the fact that he is practically the first politician, wealthy enough in the system to be independent from the system. So tell us what these things mean in real terms because it's not as if socialism operates outside of money and certainly not outside of technology.

[@ViscountOfKethely]

When understanding this topic, it would be beneficial to read any work from Spengler first. Also how is a person independent from the system when he is the member of a business dynasty?

[@Leonard-td5rn]

Kamela was the Commissar now she is in North Korea running a gulag

[@Octavian2]

He is a modern perversion of the concept.

[@AreJayCee]

America is in decline but just doesn't see it yet....You will.

[@RocheBrazil]

Nero, maybe.

[@mininoble2253]

I don't remember any Marian wars in the recent past, so no. However, there was another general who rebelled a while before that, kind of foreshadowing what was to come. That could be trump.

[@CarlMWard]

Yes!

[@you-know-who9023]

Julius Caesar ? If so I wonder who is Brutus among his "friends" as in "Et tu Brute.."

[@esausjudeannephew6317]

He's a hell of a lot more like Julius than adolph.

[@Vitalitymindd]

Trump is a single Gracchi brother figure

[@AshleyGraetz]

Dont you mean Caligula...

[@emZee1994]

I imagine he won't be, but I wonder if his son will

[@KayleySexton]

He will because God decrees it

[@DoubleAAmazin]

I was hoping he was Vespasian

[@maverick290177]

Never saw so much nonsense in one video.

[@someone-w9n]

Eitherway, if he Ceaser or not, the decline is inevitable.

[@watermelonlalala]

We are not getting any order and stability.

[@PsyManMagusX-b5j]

Not yet, but after his last presidency I'm betting he will use it to expand power. I'll be going through all his appointees, cabinet members, everyone. Just like I did the first time, cross reference with corporate and internationalist think tanks. Everyone should, particularly Treasury and federal reserve.

[@Joe-po9xn]

Buddy do I have bad news for you lmao

[@NicBur-td8jl]

He joined Rome, Evil.

[@cavejohnson982]

We Must Not forget that the nazis loved this Book. They saw Hitler as the cesarian figure.

[@milanstojadinovic6483]

And ? What s wrong with book? Muh nazis book bad ?!

[@mnk9073]

Everyone saw their guy as Caesar ever since Rome fell.

[@ViscountOfKethely]

What we must not forget instead is that they banned the works of Spengler. Of course, the nazis appropriated ideas from everywhere, including the term Third Reich (that was used by Conservative Revolutionists decades earlier), but this has nothing to do with Spengler.

[@LCTesla]

The fall of the republic: yes Ceasar: no Ides of march: hopefully

[@hansulrichboning8551]

The first Brutus failed some months ago.😂

[@MrSparklespring]

He's more like the pompous Mussolini even the outward features are similar. Bragging his way to the top, with criminal tendencies...

[@wadi_dog]

More of a combination of a Nero or Caligula or, more likely, a Domitian. A Caesar? No way, not remotely.

[@Cye-x4t]

Look up the God Emperor Trump float. It's Caesar.

[@SwatantraNandanwar]

Caligula or Nero

[@MichaelShafer-td8ew]

More like King Arthur with Elon corresponding to Merlin!

[@aesop1451]

😮 Except Merlin was in touch with a higher power and Musk wants to put a chip in your brain.

[@psychesonic1]

I think Trump is more like Sulla.

[@EricHoffert-r1j]

Just asking that question ❓ Takes reality to a new level of the absurd & dishonest

[@Thought_Processing_]

No. But he might be the Sulla.

[@howardbealethemadprophetof3361]

Simply NO! Trump is way too indebted with the pedestrians that he cannot do shit other than he is ordered to.

[@haleffect9011]

Damn pedestrians, always getting in the way of cars.

[@bodhionultimateride2660]

It’s not a real man like Cesar was

[@developerdeveloper67]

Maybe, but I think that is actually Elon Musk.

[@AbsbsjdbZhahebsjs]

I agree. He will send the economy deeper into the hole.

[@smkh2890]

AVE ! Caesar ! with a raised arm, palm down, we salute you !

[@Piya-n2b]

I​ thibk he​ is.Nero in​twelves.Cear..

[@simonkormendy849]

Go ask Dr Hannibal Lecter, he will tell you what Mr Trump really is.

[@robertkelly9647]

No but I could see Barron becoming the next Caesar

[@therealestg9]

Caesar divi filius Barronius

[@aesop1451]

Barron would have to disavow Kushner and his cousins through him.

[@markhodge4627]

Julius Ceasar was light years ahead of Dementia Donald in every way !

[@philpaine3068]

Talking about Trump as someone like Caesar misses the essential facts. Caesar was a monster, but he was intelligent enough to write books. Anyone who imagines that a man who thinks immigrants eat dogs and cats, that airplanes can be literally invisible, that you can fight hurricanes with nuclear weapons, and that foreign countries pay tariffs to America could possibly understand the intricacies of international relations or national economies lives in some weird alternate universe of wishful thinking. Trump doesn't have any understanding of anything beyond a third grade level. The man from Antiquity that Trump really resembles is Heliogabalus, or even the horse that was made a Senator.

[@jeff_loveland]

🌶️

[@cesarbolet2181]

Ave cesare

[@Aureus_]

Non

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

Maybe Augustus… hopefully not Caligula… most likely Nero. Thanks Johannes 🙏🏽❤️

[@kacodemonio]

More like Commodus or worse, Heliogabalus

[@meinking22]

The better question is...What precisely is the "West"? Sounds like a myth to me and I don't think Spengler would disagree.

[@watermelonlalala]

Countries from the Roman Empire after the Empire split into East and West, and after the Catholic Church split into East and West. And the English speaking countries of today.

[@faustianfellaheen]

Faustian civilization founded by barbarian Germanic tribes on the ashes of the Roman empire

[@HunterNinjacat]

I agree with @watermelonlalala, it is Athens, Jerusalem, and the product of their union. Even the secular nations of Europe carry the moral and social framework of that heritage forth, it a way many Asian nations (for example) might not. The boundary lines may be fuzzy, but it is a useful descriptor!

[@watermelonlalala]

@@HunterNinjacat Jerusalem does not count. Orient. Middle East.

[@watermelonlalala]

@@HunterNinjacat In the Great Schism of 1054, the patriarch of Jerusalem joined those of Antioch, Constantinople and Alexandria as the Eastern Orthodox Church. All Christians in the Holy Land came under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem.

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Hell no. I voted for trump and supported him but thats a real insukt to caesar. Trump is a populist to a point but hes hardly the ideological passionate man of history.

[@nicolasolton]

Vespasian maybe? He can build a splendid coliseum in DC, and throw his enemies to lions and gladiators! Bread and circuses!❤

[@hariseldon3786]

COPE

[@TheCrusader_]

Incoming Catholic revival…

[@quixodian]

Don't indulge his fantasies.

[@yessanknow302]

A sixteen-minute rambling, confused monologue about nothing in particular... meh.