Is Far red light good for plants

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Is far red beneficial to plant growth and should far red LEDs be added to grow light fixtures. We look at the most recent studies and analysis to see if far red is useful for indoor growers.
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[@yamagrow420]

Professor DeBacco 💪 cheers thanks for the video 👊 very informative.

[@growersmindset]

just got my migro aray 4x2 light. love the passion for wanting to aspire for excellence in the plant science spectrometry field.

[@fadedmass1662]

My light uses 660nm and 740nm ontop of 3k, 5k. In part i credit the extra red for the size of my plants. I want them to "stretch" at all stages really. My plants that have tight node spacing are the first to get quelled. Im not sure why people want to make plants grow like that with blue. I want the stretch, the fast veg growth and long towers of bud in flower. In veg the node spacing gets controlled with LST branch bending. In flower colas get the node spacing tighened by crushing the tissue inside the internodes during the first 4 weeks. I should also note I got a ePar meter recently and found I use alot less Par than recommended with amazing results. Im averaging just over 7oz plants in a 4x8. My plants can rarely handle high pars with the extra red though. I believe the red can burn the leafs easier than the other spectrums. This is why I tell people spectrum is more important than par or efficiency. The spectrum tells the plant how to react, not the ppfd.

[@Michael-gd2gj]

A lot of amateurs home growers that's why uv and ir was stripped. They don't now how to manage extra stretch & yield. So easier to sell it separately for serious growers

[@Nevergofullretard86]

What's your light schedule at each stage I just bought some deep red lights and still trying to figure when and how often

[@dertythegrower]

660nm red seems to be a secondary standard now with a broad spectrum 'white' color as the primary light source

[@adamw8579]

730nm too, mostly. They mostly come out at night, mostly.

[@cheebee2659]

i also think far red helps towards ripening in general, if you've noticed fruit often hangs below leaves and canopy. also i suspect that far red, due to the expansion it brings about on a cellular level, seems to soften flavours, making lettuce FAR less bitter for instance. one more thing, it seems to me that uvb offsets far red sharply, (it seems to shock the plant into not stretching for a WHILE) slowing the stretch and causing swelling, even in short bursts, ( 1 hour on 1 off, and again 1 hour on 1 off at either side of midday light cycle) so if you get the spectral ingredients just right you can increase terpene production with uvb blue increments throughout the entire grow while adding far red (which when mixed right ) to cause softer flavour ( not bitter but POWERFULLY flavourful and sweeter ) and the far red causes fruit to SWELL and ripen. ( i suspect the swelling is because far red brings more water into the fruit IF available) this would include budding flowers too. thankyou for the informative vids, im a BIG fan of far red :)

[@theboutiquegrower4617]

He wouldn’t be a believer of things like that from what I’ve seen his analysis of diff spectrums and changing spectrums and even using UV light. I don’t believe Shane is a believer in using UV is he? Maybe something changed, but I saw multiple interviews where he completely downplays it and really anything that’s not in the lights he creates and sells. He’s all about data and whatever is proven and really yields at the lowest cost. Seems to be a pure ROI/numbers guy. Having him be Dr Bugby like is really pretty interesting like given he doesn’t really co-sign his findings. Not the ones we are talking about anyway. Shane has done somewhat of a flip in front of us the last 18 months or so. People like me would he with you and definitely trying to get their hands on the newer tools like spectrum tuning and then how to use it. Great info thank you for sharing.

[@cheebee2659]

@@theboutiquegrower4617 you're very welcome mate

[@blopjones1665]

Mammoth lighting did some research on green light and found out the plant uses it alot when the par is high. It's worth looking into.

[@MrElemonator]

So is the sun 🌞

[@dertythegrower]

Like uva and uvb.. the thing is, one guy like that tests it and then broscience starts... uvb increases quality but like green.. if you overuse it more than the sun does in a day.. youll literally burn heh

[@meetmeatleicstersquare]

thank you Mathew

[@meetmeatleicstersquare]

and Shane XD

[@jimd1617]

thanks!

[@siegmundfreud8025]

Hi @migro I've always switched on my Far Red only when the storm is completely over. That way I don't have any additional stretch from the Far Red. I then also use it very heavily, about 10% of the spectrum. I'm a bit shocked by your video. I haven't noticed anything negative so far. What do you think of the procedure? Kind regards from Germany ✌️❤️

[@skankhunt420]

Far red booster lights are amazing for flowering, i'm so glad for modern LED's 😂

[@terriludolf6101]

Thank you for that video, very informative. Can i use additional blue standard led strips to prevent stretch?

[@MIGROLIGHT]

It really depends on what blue LED's you use and how efficient they are.

[@johnrousell3082]

Could this be why companies use the UVA to add blue spectrum when they use the far red? I'm just asking question that popped in my head

[@REDNECKROOTS]

All light is usable by the plant . no matter the NM wave length plants use it and need it to truly be complete

[@megaflux7144]

false. some light actually kills organic material.

[@eggspanda2475]

[@timturk1899]

All NM within PAR, at least.

[@TheBeardedIrishMan]

I remember 6 months ago you said it’s bad

[@tg8051]

What about the “Emerson Effect” & putting plants to sleep faster with the usage of far red at the end of the day & start of dark cycle? Also changing the light cycle to 13/11 & does it really cut down flower time by two weeks? Bro science or can you elaborate on the subject? Thanks

[@MIGROLIGHT]

Hi, No it will not cut down flower time at all.

[@mr.marmars]

👍👍👍

[@andyb6120]

How about doing something different.? Efficiency and the output spectrum when a light is on only say 10% 50% Etc. Everyone is trying to save energy .

[@MIGROLIGHT]

Hi, already done, link here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJ-QoqZtot6nfdE

[@andyb6120]

@@MIGROLIGHT Cheers for this sorry, not sure why I misses that Video.

[@TG.34295]

🤘

[@Nonogrow420]

Just grab the new GLM light Shane reviewed,...ftw,ftp 🤔🤣🤣🤣😉🥃red n white for life 81 😉👌💯

[@theboutiquegrower4617]

💯 But unfortunately he won’t he reviewing anymore GML lights after there was an alleged inconsistency with Shane’s testing methods and equipment that was made public by GML and Shane got upset. Pretty crazy how easily Shane got shook given he’s been charging $2K Euro for the tests and sells competing lights at times. Maybe there will be a detailed response from Shane on his channel since he allegedly blocked GML from Instagram/whatever platforms they were communicating on. All this “he wasn’t being nice or respectful” response from Shane isn’t really a response. It’s a deflection and it’s basically what he’s given. He did jump in on GMLs comment section on KZbin and request to come on and highjack GMLs show/channel but doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen. Maybe we will get something better than the lackluster response on the iCanTHC channel. Might he watching Migro come apart given how he’s chosen to go about this. The Oil Farmers he’s tryin to get in with sure are lookin at him sideways. 💯🤣

[@SpacedOutCluez]

@@theboutiquegrower4617he only shows bummy lights that help his pockets not anything else stupid imo

[@theboutiquegrower4617]

@@SpacedOutCluez 💯

[@friendlyghostkinda]

What do you suggest for mid / low supplemental? More blurple or reds or just full Spec?

[@MIGROLIGHT]

Just full spec

[@natehine8541]

still have growmouses far red light

[@matthewsmeds101]

Are we still after this question? It's a matter of doing your own testing.

[@Irish_qatari1982]

Ill have like 4 600watts haps each light in a corner of a 6x6 space then in middle a 300 watts full spectrum led osram marshydro light in centre of the 4 hpd lights. Is it bad ? To mix that type of set up ?

[@timpage5021]

No it’s not bad to mix the spectrum but 2400 watts in a 6x6 I’s far too much . You could use 315 CMH or better yet LEDS and use half the wattage.

[@Irish_qatari1982]

@@timpage5021 I just put the lights 8ft up high. I put a few 600watts down to 400watts in vegging I use lux and I know the max before light usually I get light stress above or on 25,000 lux. When I flick into flow that's when I up it 28,000 lux to 32,000 lux max. And I got the CFM air power to get rid of heat

[@Irish_qatari1982]

@@timpage5021 I keep a e.c t 1.4 max lux light power 22,000 max in vegging but ur LED half that power do probably the same init

[@Irish_qatari1982]

@@timpage5021 I use 70 litre pots big and coco is we're the roots rest.

[@timpage5021]

@@Irish_qatari1982 I used to run HIDs myself for about 12 years . I had the Big Kahuna and Raptor air cooled hoods and parabolic reflectors for my veg area. I remember those days all to well of knocking peoples cable out with the RF interference lol. But yea brother you could most definitely halve that wattage by using a 300 watt LED over easy 3x3 area and save yourself a ton on power and cooling. I get it it’s an investment but soooooo worth it and a space that big you’d get your investment back 10 fold first harvest for sure. 4 Viparspecta KS3000s would crush a 6x6 and only use 1200 watts total. Or 4 Migro Array 3s. . Hell even the new Marshydro FC10000 would crush a 6x6 . It’s got the new added bars to increase the length. But I think 4 300 watt fixtures woukd give you more flexibility. Anyway stay lifted and enjoy your weekend.,

[@SuperNessa83]

Bro science always seems to prevail over nature every time human ego is real

[@siegmundfreud8025]

Sorry i mean Stretch Not storm. @migrolight

[@Spiderdan-59]

Exactly what I thought far red was, thanks for the confirmation though 🫡🌿🔥🇬🇧