Is Fate REALLY That Complicated?

[@KuaiYT]

People die when they are killed

[@subcommanderxelios800]

“Just because your correct doesn’t mean you’re right” -A hero of justice

[@ReapersChannel26]

And just because you are not right doesn't mean you're never wrong.

[@0th_Law]

The Archer Class really is made up of Archers!

[@JovialHeretic]

Yorokobe shounen.

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

Birthdays are when you celebrate being born.

[@otakudaikun]

Do not underestimate the Arthur smut. It's a required reading imo

[@Spnozilla]

“The Fuyuki Saga”. Nice term for that part of the franchise.

[@HitsujiMamoru]

As you said: the Fuyuki saga is all you need to understand Fate. Everything else is only as confusing as you want to make it sound, really.

[@yab2076]

I'm glad more people are posting the correct watch order. W content.

[@jvts8916]

Then suddenly Type Moon dropped a bombshell on people that are only familiar with the Fate side by announcing a Mahoyo x FGO event collab.

[@MokonaModokiES]

we already ahd KnK collab on the first year of the game people were already confused by it and many though Ryougi was an fgo character first, not knowing anything about the movies... And NA is gona go through same stuff with arcueid in anniversary specially since many will refuse to read the VN that will get english release a week before anniversary..

[@HitsujiMamoru]

And the Mahoyo collab has characters from KNK, Hollow Ataraxia and the Servant Universe in it. TM sure isn't helping newcomers sometimes lol

[@jvts8916]

@@HitsujiMamoru Wait I thought I was joking when I said Servant Universe was plot relevant since Solomon

[@HitsujiMamoru]

Don't worry, it's still not relevant (yet...), it's just Space Ishtar and Jane being on the bonus list (alongside Shiki, Fujino, Muramasa, Bazett and Caren). It for sure makes me curious about what they're cooking here.

[@Peashooter521]

@@jvts8916 It is our only example of the age of wills.

[@amari7782]

Gigguk truly hoed us with his vids Combine this with how many people obsessed with forcing zero into the watch order despite it not adding anything relevant past waver backstory

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

And maybe kiritsugu backstory

[@amari7782]

@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec the thing is that Kerry really isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things. Even for shiro funnily enough while waver is in practically every major fate in one way shape or form

[@MokonaModokiES]

even extella is more important than Zero since it sets up very big foundations of the whole universe and major backstory elements that influences other works too...

[@Doralga]

@@amari7782 That's because Zero is really good as an anime and gives Gil a lot more Context then the UBW anime I agree with the video it's a crappy starting point but that the real meat of why everyone wants them to start there.

[@amari7782]

@@Doralga even then fsn kinda already explained it well enough so it’s not even worth watching for that

[@shadowmaksim]

"Fate" is basically like Marvel and DC. The best way to get into them is to just pick a point, almost any point, and branch out from there. Granted, there are some entries that are better starting points than others but the most important thing is to actually start at all. Want to start with the original VN? Go for it. Want to start with the 2006 adaption? Sure. (In fact, that's where I started...though it was only that option back then) Want to start with "Zero"? A popular one, sure. Want to start with "UBW"? Another popular one, sure. Want to start with "Unlimited Codes"? It's a bit out there, but sure. Want to start with "Carnival Phantasm"? Yeah, sure. Want to start with "Tsukihime" or "Garden of Sinners"? That's fine too. Want to start with "Samurai Remnant"? That's actually a newer one that's considered a good entry point for newcomers. Want to start with "Extra: Last Encore"? Uh, actually, maybe not that one. Want to start with "Prisma Illya"? Sure...though probably stick to the manga and not the terrible anime adaption. 9 out of 10 times, it'd be good enough. Just...start...somewhere. Also, screw Gigguk. While he didn't create the "Fate" is complicated meme, he sure as heck popularized it.

[@AmalaAxiom]

Me as a Type-Moon addict: b-but Mahoyo sets up the baseline for magic Also me: started with Fate Stay Night and Tsukihime right after.... I didnt do a really decent order but hey I am into it now!

[@LadyHadria]

I'm ngl I made this video because I got annoyed at a "Fate is Complicated" meme so I didn't even think to extend it to the full nasuverse LOL, but you're right, Mahoyo is the best starting point if you REALLY wanna dig into the magic lore of the franchise.

[@schokoladereee]

I started with half of DEEN, stopped midway to watch Carnival Phantasm, then hesitated to continue the DEEN because "But they were so happy in Carnival Phantasm" lol And now I'm pruning universes in FGO

[@darksteelmenace595]

I think you're correct, its not as bad as people make it out to be, but I have a correction: the emiya cooking spinoff is not on Crunchyroll at least not in every country (and I hate that)

[@LadyHadria]

Ah I didn't know that! I should have clarified it's on CR for the US! Thank you for letting me know!

[@darksteelmenace595]

@@LadyHadria Don't worry about it, international liscensing is an absolute nightmare

[@sachitechless]

The repurcussions of Gigguk on the Fate franchise will one day be undone

[@dandragonmc]

This is something before him, he didn't start it

[@Angras_advocate18]

4:22 last I checked melty blood has a story & is canon.

[@hiarus8850]

Yes and No If you want to go into lore you're gonna find a lot of complicated, convoluted conceptual shit, but if you just watch the shows and play the games you'll be fine Fate is a lot like comics, a bunch of stories that share some collective tissue but aren't directly related, you can literally just pick any "Run" and start

[@Therealkingk909]

I love seeing more black content creators covering fate. You def got another sub today 🙌🏾

[@Isukiri544]

It’s really not. I think what causes this is that a lot of people don’t seem to understand how multiple routes in visual novels work. There is no specific order to the stories. They are mainly just various what if scenarios. You don’t HAVE to watch Zero before Stay Night because it’s not going to affect Stay Night’s story depending on the route you choose ( except for Heaven’s Feel imo). It just adds more context. This applies to other Fate spin offs as well.

[@Angras_advocate18]

0:34 yeah basically the author had to become a sell out after the garden of sinners was slept on & added H scenes to Tsukihime & /Stay Night to gain traction.

[@Aeri_shiro]

Ok but what about that time they summoned Actually Satan to fight against Mario Mario and protect the one and only Baeber? also it's proncounced Einherjar - Ain-her-yar

[@felixcorona13]

After watching that gigyak or whatever his name is, i was thinking to myself about how the fate series couldnt be as complicated as he was implying

[@Firelava88.]

I started getting into fate a year ago and i never rlly had an issue with not knowing where to start 😭 i watched apocrypha, then played grand order, and some other spinoffs and I STILL havent watched any of the stay night stuff (waiting for vn translation)

[@thomaslain3845]

I knew nothing about feet and actually started with the first episode of the second cour of Zero, that seems so long ago now. Of course! I went back and watched the whole series. Wasn't aware of stay night but at the time I watched zero, ubw had not been made but fate is by far my favorite anime franchise

[@carlosgarza400]

This is the compartmentalize version of the watch order

[@sevenn1ghts]

omg thank you finally someone puts a good video on how to get into fate😭

[@eonnexus]

THANK YOU! This will probably be the vid i have on standby now whenever i want to get someone into Fate. XD I will say that the Prisma Illya anime gets... BETTER if you can trudge through it, but i will always recommend just reading the manga instead. The manga is much more focused on the story, action, and spectacle, whereas the anime has CLEARLY shown that they aren't all that good at adapting the look and feel of it (action scenes especially), and is directed by someone who just CANNOT keep it in his pants. For an example, when the director was given free reign to write a story for FGO, we ended up with Agartha, the chapter that basically EVERYONE in the fandom considers to be the worst because of how fetish fueled it was.

[@KahranRamsus]

I agree, Fate is easy. If anyone wants an easy suggestion: find 2-3 Fate things that look cool, watch them, and expand from there if you liked any of what you saw. I find that people are held back due to volume of content, but that doesn't stop people from starting to watch One Piece, Bleach, or Naruto. You can watch the 2006 Fate Stay Night anime, or the 2014 Remake anime, or Fate/Zero anime, or do the visual novels if you want the original stuff. It's your Fate journey, do what you want IMO. 👍

[@varnix1006]

Whatever you do, never start FGO. Like Archer said, it's hell you're walking into.

[@kuro_emiya]

while they don't technically matter melt blood actually has foreshadowing to fgo, specifically the big bad of part 1's plans. also the sex scenes are only meme worthy because of the translator. Actual scenes in JP are pretty mild and not anything to worth making a big deal about to be honest. also while fgo wasn't directly made from the mmo, there are characters originally used for the mmo repurposed for fgo (not including characters from apocrypha). otherwise a pretty good video that doesn't needlessly complicate things or read lore from a wiki that has a ton of misinformation and mistranslations (looking at you gigguk).

[@LadyHadria]

Thanks! I debated adding OG Melty Blood in due to the lore connection but figured that I should stick exclusively to Fate related media (minus MBTL which I mostly threw in as a half joke) in order to not complicate things. If I make a video about the Tsukihime universe (which I'd LOVE to do as it's my personal favorite) I'll probably bring up that connection!

[@armandomendoza7371]

​@@LadyHadria Do it, you must, also side note, the prisma manga is infinitely better than the anime, i say this as someone up to date with it, the art gets progrsively better and better and the story turns more serious the more it goes

[@ViApp0]

There's still misinformation such as calling Prototype "a manga series" even though Fragments is primarily an LN and it's not a "series" either, because the published Prototype only exists as a short ova and some scenes that didn't make into it. Also, putting F/GO and Strange Fake not last is also weird since both reference literally everything else.

[@gilgameshkingofheroes5903]

How does MB foreshadow FGO?

[@BlackPrince24]

People who like Prisma Ilya are probably cupcake connoisseurs.

[@thatguywholived]

Whole Fate Watch Order- Fate/stay night 2006 Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works 2010 Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works - Prologue 2014 Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works 2014 Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works 2nd Season 2015 Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works 2nd Season - Sunny Day 2015 Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel - I. Presage Flower Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel II: Lost Butterfly Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel III: Spring Song Fate/Zero Fate/Zero Season 2 Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files {Rail Zeppelin} Grace note - 2018 Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files {Rail Zeppelin} Grace note 2019 Lord El-Melloi II’s Case Files {Rail Zeppelin} Grace note -Special Episode- 2021 Today's Menu for the Emiya Family 2018 Fate/strange Fake -Whispers of Dawn- 2023 Fate/Apocrypha 2017 Carnival Phantasm 2011 Fate/Extra: Last Encore 2018 Fate/Extra: Last Encore - Illustrias Geocentric Theory (3 episodes) 2018 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2013 Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya Specials 2013-2014 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya: Dance at the Sports Festival! 2014 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! 2014 Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei! Kanzen Shinsaku Short Anime 2014-2015 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! OVA 2015 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 2wei! Herz! 2015 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei Herz! Kanzen Shinsaku Short Anime 2015-2016 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 3rei!! 2016 Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya 3rei!! Shorts 2016-2017 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya: Vow in the Snow 2017 Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya: Vow in the Snow - Dark Sakura's Room 2018 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya: Prisma☆Phantasm 2019 Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya: Licht Nameless Girl 2021 Fate/Grand Order: First Order 2016 Fate/Grand Order: First Order Drama 2016 Farewell to 2016 Guda Guda Order 2016 Fate/Grand Order Divine Realm of the Round Table: Camelot - Wandering; Agateram 2020 Fate/Grand Order Divine Realm of the Round Table: Camelot - Paladin; Agateram 2021 Fate/Grand Order Absolute Demonic Front: Babylonia - Initium Iter 2019 Fate/Grand Order Absolute Demonic Front: Babylonia 2019-2020 Fate/Grand Order Final Singularity - Grand Temple of Time: Solomon 2021 Fate/Grand Order -MOONLIGHT/LOSTROOM- 2017 Fate/Grand Carnival 2020-2021 Fate/Grand Order: Himuro no Tenchi - 7-nin no Saikyou Gijin-hen 2017 Fate/Grand Order CMs (Game teasers) 2014 Learning with Manga! Fate/Grand Order 2018 Fate/Grand Order: You've Lost Ritsuka Fujimaru Special Episode 2022 Fate/Grand Order: You've Lost Ritsuka Fujimaru 2023 Fate/Zero Cafe of 2013 (Unreleased media. It has airing in a certain movie theater) Fate/stay night TV Reproduction 2010 Fate/Prototype 2011 Fate/Zero: Please! Einzbern Counseling Room 2012 Fate/Zero Remix 2012

[@filippfilippov4212]

Normal adaptation of fate route will solve all problems for anime only's

[@SirReadAgain]

IMO not complicated, it just not complete, you need additional source to complete the whole puzzle of the story.

[@NeonSpiderbit]

but what about tsukihime

[@LadyHadria]

Tsukihime comes after Carnival Phantasm. Hope that helps! EDIT: woah this video popped off way more than expected, this is my friend who has read tsukihime i'm just memeing jgnjkrklgjkrl

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Tsukihime is a standalone. You don't have to go through any Fate material to understand the visual novel. In fact, Tsukihime predates Fate/Stay Night (official release) by 4 years.

[@baziworld]

all 4 main horsemen of type moon AKA(Fate stay night, Tsukihime , kara no kyoukai, the witch on holy night) can be read/watched sepratedly and all 4 of them pretty much have same value(cough cough, plz, give me some break, i see all 4 of them as equal) ...you can go with either of them , with no problem, they sometimes make some part of other story more understandable , so there is no order for these 4, just know that, there are some references in all of these 4 which pop up in other

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

Zero confused the heck out of me as at the time I didn’t know any Stay Night beyond UBW existed lol Also the Extella games are set in an Extra AU, Look up Extella Zero if you’re wondering what I’m on about Also Prototype Fragments of Sky Silver is a *PREQUEL* to that original Fate which we’ve not gotten a full version of yet which IK is weird lol

[@ToaDaGardeKat]

I popped in because this VTuber is a the unprecendented RANIFACE

[@ViApp0]

Paper Moon says hi.

[@DYhalto250]

Just start with prillya.. peak fate. It follows the best girl illya!

[@rumovonzamonien]

Prisma Illya is the only relevant piece of fate media one needs to know

[@Ryleona_]

Open heart surgeons be like: "Open heart surgery really isn't that complicated."

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

More like, "changing tyres isn't that hard".

[@baziworld]

short answer: Nope, it is pretty straightforward. long answer: bUt you need to have Unlimited Determination Works to pass though all fate stuffs and type moon works

[@Red-mg4ro]

Multiverse theory. So everything is canon, except when it's not. Huh, Nasuverse is just the anime version of the DC comics.

[@alxnz719]

I swear bro I learned everything from fate (cause I had nothing better to do) but since the release of grand order everything I believe and learned went down the drain 😢

[@alxnz719]

And since I have barely time now I can’t play nor watch the anime, I have watched some videos about it but I’m still lost

[@yaqinmalul6467]

Solid explained ❤

[@magigackt]

I started with 0 and then ubw and felt that to be pretty natural

[@coconut_tv0564]

Ok so this is the ULTRA short version. Well my personal reccomendation is that you experience a few other spinoffs before you play fgo

[@xigabrelless1980]

You want complex go look at BlazBlue

[@Okami_HD]

Three entirely seperate concepts called "observers" Mori just threw whatever he felt like throwing in and left us to suffer through it

[@fancydan1262]

Yes it is.

[@ygmeal]

I like the video

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Been into Nasuverse since 2006/2007 and this is the most accurate description of Fate-side of the Nasuverse. The starting point is and always been the visual novel. The rest is just a spin-off. Once you grasp the Fuyuki's Holy Grail War the rest is simple. Minor nitpick, you cannot directly jump into El-Melloi series after Fate/Stay Night. You need to go through Fate/Zero first.

[@LadyHadria]

Yep, I include Zero as part of the Fuyuki saga! I do feel like enough of the spinoffs reference it that in order to get the best experience you should still watch it before the spinoffs.

[@straymerodach4713]

Nice video, but i feel like you missed a joke opportunity when talking about fate spin-off games "You wanted to avoid words,and each of them is a small novel."

[@kaiwolke1963]

Did you just intentionally forget to talk about Last encore, since it's kinda bad.

[@LadyHadria]

I'll be honest I completely forgot it existed and even throughout the proofreading/beta reading phase no one brought it up KGJRKRGJKKJGRK honestly it's skippable and doesn't add much (if anything it makes the extra timeline weaker) but I'll add a note in the description about it.

[@jimmytuplano3843]

To me fate aee they own canon because after all all pf fate are canon in there own way pocket universe especially me i have senji muramasa, Arthur prototype, artoria, Mordred, alter Arjuna, morgan le Fay, and more

[@rekira6888]

Wait Is this for real A vtuber making a fate Series video

[@raikasha8152]

I personally think you can start almost anywhere that isn't a direct sequel to something (Or Prisma Illya cause it's anime of all time) Besides Fate Zero only gives minor spoilers to Stay Night and completely works as a stand alone story. Being one of my favorites of all time in fact, even without the addition of Unlimited Bladeworks lore. It's an only add on feature if anything

[@Iplay37]

i started with the first episode of zero then stoped and just played fgo then i got extra:)

[@falconeer4135]

Rider best girl!!! 😤😤😤 (Great work btw)

[@falconeer4135]

Also I think I might buy the new musou game fate/samurai remnant on my b-day!

[@LadyHadria]

it's really good! I hope you enjoy it!

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Which Rider? There's tons of them. You have to be more specific.

[@EYYYYYJustin]

Popped up in my recommended. Who is you shawty?

[@iamthestormthatisapproachi916]

I would say it's not complicated... Except when I have to explain FGO for someone that doesn't even know Fate.

[@raikasha8152]

Just say it's a game about fixing the timeline. Simple

[@iboneofsword864]

The yuri loli bait of Prillya is really unfortunate cause the manga right now is absolutely insane! Also sad that you skipped mentioning the Oath Under Snow movie :/

[@Melon-ALL-Free]

I don't know you've purposely try to make sense of it but it actually DON'T or you fully convinced your explanation for average normie actually worked. Either way i have great time seeing people trying to explain Nasuverse and people trying to understand it, lol.

[@Advon]

What? You mean the best way to explain Fate *isn't* to explain every work simultaneously through a series spanning meme without any of the external context despite it starting essentially as a joke at the expense of the lead artist? Or referencing two decades of fan community naming conventions without any explanation of how they got assigned?

[@MaveraceAnimation]

History but gender bent.

[@subcommanderxelios800]

Ironic how my favorite is Shirou Emiya despite being a history enthusiast. I just hope nobody on the fandom slaughters me for it.

[@yesman7675]

Nah he's cool we love him​@@subcommanderxelios800

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Not all character is genderbent. Napoleon isn't. Tamamo-no-Mae isn't.

[@subcommanderxelios800]

@@yesman7675 Thanks, it’s just with all the toxicity that happens in the fate fandom, I always feel a sense of worry that if I like Shirou (I don’t care which version, they’re all the same to me), then somebody is going to criticize me for it. I do tell myself to also respect others if they don’t agree with me, but it’s hard.

[@yesman7675]

@@subcommanderxelios800 and that's what make you even more based👌

[@YuriFennerine]

hehe eroge

[@LadyHadria]

saber toes...

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Fate/Zero spoils nothing that actually matters about Stay Night. There are things that happened at the same time as it's ending that it explicitly didn't show so they could till be reveals late. The actual big Twist Reveals of the various Routes have no relevance to anything in Fate/Zero. There are two things that were technically originally twists that watching Zero first gives away, but counting as still in any way twists is a Joke, its like how the first Batman comic ever made technically presents Bruce Wayne being Batman as a twist reveal at the end. Saber being King Arthur is literally the entire selling point of the franchise, and Sakura being both Rin's and more important then the first two routes let on may not be as universally well known but anyone who's at all circles around Fate/ for a while before jumping has gotten the memo, she's all over the promotion for the Heaven's Feel movies. I love will people make that Star Wars reference as ana argument agaisnt watching Zero first when i also recommend watching those Prequels first, inf act I recommend only watching episodes I-III the rest is overrated. I started with Prisma Illya and do not regret that decision at all.

[@JasonDWilson]

Making this comment before I watch the video… I don’t think fate is complicated it’s just long by the time I start explaining the Nasuverse most people aren’t keeping up 🤣

[@PeachDragon_]

If anything it's not complicated enough there's so much of the nasuverse that's unexplored it's crazy.

[@otakunemesis34]

Type moon is eatern world of darkness.