Is Hawaii Football in trouble?

[@danielcastiglione5328]

Everything gets built slower in Hawaii. All materials have to be brought in by boat and take months to get there. Additionally, the workers have a no problem attitude. No problem if I do it tomorrow, next week, next month… hate to say it, but it’s often cheaper to fly construction works in from the 48.

[@bayareadoghouse]

Worked with some Hawaiian banks on tech upgrades and it’s totally true that they move at a different pace than the other states.

[@spang9782]

@@bayareadoghouse Yup, "a different pace" is such a nice way to put it. I am a Hawaii resident. It took 33 years to build the H-3 freeway. Now, it was a rather complicated project requiring a tunnel but still....33 years? We now have a rail system under construction. It started off as a 20 mile project, since reduced to 18, and began in 2005. To date, the first 9 miles have opened, and the rest now predicted to finish in 2031. Original estimated cost was 2.3 billion. Current estimation is 10 billion. Another ongoing project is the repaving of Pali Highway, about 10 miles worth. Construction started in January 2018 and was predicted to finish in 2020. Here we are in September 2023 and, you guessed it, still ongoing. Ten miles! I was in Colorado visiting my son in college, and they had a 6 lane highway being repaved. I understand it was 5 miles worth. When we arrived the first day, they had scraped off the surface material. Repaving started on day 2. By late afternoon of the third day, the highway was reopened WITH reflective markers and permanent lines painted in. Here, after repaving, they make crooked temporary lines, and permanent lines come 2-3 months later. Ahhhh....paradise!

[@Alohanate2004]

State of Hawaii is horrible at getting things done. Privately funded high rise condos go up quick. Hawaii needs to partner directly with a private conpany to get a stadium built. Similar to how Univ of Texas got Moody Center built for free.

[@HawaiianStyle808]

The state used a private company to build the rail....

[@edwardlozano8807]

And now with the costs of cleaning up after the Maui fire, is it going to be more costly to build this stadium?

[@MrJara1018]

I don’t know if there is a correlation between the two. Certainty Maui need priority .

[@toomanyhobbies8351]

But the fire was on a whole different island.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@toomanyhobbies8351 Hawaii is quite a united state. What happens on the outer Islands effects everyone.

[@spang9782]

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Correct! While Maui is a different island, it is part of the State, including funding. The stadium has 400 million earmarked, but the unexpected wildfire will undoubtedly need funding for various needs. That would pit a new stadium vs. Maui victims. And, with the way things are done in Hawaii, the 400 million dollar cost is likely to double and even triple by the time it is done. For the poor Lahaina residents, don't expect any kind of rebuilding soon. UH Warriors will be playing at Ching Field for a LONG time, assuming the football team survives.

[@ArcherVideo]

Hawaii didn’t allow fans when every other fbs program was. Their covid restrictions definitely hurt them.

[@HawaiianStyle808]

Well the last plague prior to covid nearly wiped out the Hawaiian race...

[@ArcherVideo]

enough data was out that covid wasn't life threatening to healthy individuals. This was not a plague. @@HawaiianStyle808

[@EvilTheOne]

Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and San Diego State are leaving the Mountain West in 2026. And if Hawaii doesn't build the stadium soon, the NCAA will demote Hawaii football to Division II. Building the stadium by 2028 is ambitious. Their previous goals were 2023, 2025, 2027, and now 2028. H-3 Interstate was delayed for 25 years, and the Skyline rail has been delayed by a decade. People in Hawaii don't hold our breaths.

[@ronclark9724]

The state has funded the new stadium. As long as they average 15 thousand attendance over two years they will maintain their FBS status. That temporary stadium using temporary bleachers around their training field has a capacity of.18 thousand. It is not the university's athletics program that failed to maintain the Aloha Bowl properly...

[@EvilTheOne]

@@ronclark9724 Trust me, as a resident of the state of Hawaii, this entire thing is a joke! The university is not a big draw for attendance; it's supported by a fickle audience/fan base. The goernment doesn't know what to do with supporting them with a new stadium, so that's a mess. The 'new' stadium was supposed to open in 2023, then got pushed back, and then back again...and again. And the sad part, U.H. current complex is listed as a maximum capacity of 15,124 seats. And so far, it's taken games against name opponents to sell that out (UCLA and Boise St.). The other two home games had underwhelming crowd size, and noticeable emptiness in the stands, that reflected the actual turnstile attendance was less than ticket sold. There's only one more team on the schedule that looks to be a draw, that's UNLV in November 2024.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

The deluded governor of Hawaii is waiting for a private-public partnership to build the virtual stadium. Of course it will never happen. As for CSU, give me a break they are not in the #16 largest TV market. Buckets of studies have been done showing that the lousy Rams are not a big deal in Denver.

[@EricCuellar-u9v]

I know this has been in the works for a while now, but a football stadium is the least of Hawaii's concerns right now. People and homes first, football stadium somewhere down the line.

[@louispapp7722]

Legends and Leaders was done away with in 2014.

[@Phlipper33]

They’re all OSU. Whoever told you otherwise was incorrect. Two schools refer to themselves as OSU and then there’s the other one that puts the word ‘the’ in front of their abbreviation (incorrectly, as there are obviously two others with the same abbreviation).

[@connorironside6735]

Michigan state had a few good years in the mid 2010s. Though the last few haven't been great.

[@GrizrazRex]

Nor will there be any greatness for a few more. Sparty has to get out from under the Mel Tucker contract. It'll be expensive.

[@supremetaco5]

@@GrizrazRextucker is recruiting a National level, msu will be fine

[@oldguysrock2170]

Hawaii should join the ACC!

[@mason_hockey]

W opinion

[@jimschultz2179]

South Dakota state is SDSU established 1881 before SD state San Diego state. SDSU is Blue and Gold! The world needs to recognize!!

[@swed62]

Uh football, downfall is because of Democrats leadership . Their miss management of Hawaii government policies which are a major reason. Making the university not having the money to support it's sports program, Also the high cost of living in Hawaii, people are out priced for showing support for UH sports. And the cost overruns for government programs, leaves no money for other things.

[@SamWesting]

Eventually, the only future for Hawaii in football is at the FCS level. Many island sports fans are in denial about this inevitability. They still think it’s the 1990s.

[@Alohanate2004]

It would suck but it makes sense. No stadium, little fan support, best local recruits going to the mainland. I think Hawaii probably does need to drop down and go to the Big Sky Conference. Of course it will never happen.

[@ronclark9724]

@@Alohanate2004 I am sure they would prefer the Big West Conference in California better, but they don't play football. They need to be in a conference as they PAY to fly independent schools to Hawaii whereas the Mountain West Conference landed Hawaii by waiving that unfair transportation tax. Why should Hawaii pay to fly other schools to Hawaii when they themselves have a large transportation bill flying themselves to the mainland?

[@ronclark9724]

Hawaii chose to remain in the Mountain West and become a full time school. The lure that caught the fish was no longer does Hawaii have to pay travel expenses for other Mountain West schools to fly to Honolulu, a five hour flight from California, a six hour flight from New Mexico and Wyoming. As for the new 25 thousand seat stadium, it has been funded by the state. As for the slow construction, Hawaii is not on the mainland with steel mills, steel has to be shipped in probably on the slowest ship. At least the present temporary 18 thousand capacity stadium using their practice field on campus does meet FBS status as long as the university averages 15 thousand over a two year period. Even those temporary bleachers took two years to build. Their recruiting efforts were damaged during the height of the pandemic which affected the quality of their athletes. They shall rebuild again...

[@CluviNcam]

Without the stadium, Hawaii football is in trouble.. and the state isn’t helping them by pushing back the stadium build.

[@Chronically_JBoo]

I feel dumb that I didn't even know there was a team in Hawaii

[@heartbreak25]

Two Words: June Jones

[@JakeMcshane3]

They were in the Sugar Bowl in 2009

[@amac701]

OSU is the abbreviation for Ohio state, Oklahoma state and Oregon state. You are incorrect. Look at the Oregon state and Oklahoma state websites. The Oklahoma state football helmet literally has OSU on it. ORST and OKST are used to a lesser extent by media types to differentiate and avoid confusion.

[@heartbreak25]

PSU getting penalized by Pitt happened in 2016. PSU beat Ohio State, won the B1G, but the Playoff Committee chose Ohio State over PSU for the playoffs because Ohio State had 1 loss (despite playing one less game) and PSU had 2 losses. (Pitt & UM).

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

YES!

[@mikethomas860]

When has Hawaii football not been in trouble?

[@flrpitflrp1965]

No offense to Hawaii. I think they need to cut football. They can’t be generating that much money

[@Alohanate2004]

Every G5 football team loses money.

[@RB-.-]

if they cut football then everything else will have to be cut in the next 2 years

[@flrpitflrp1965]

@@RB-.- not true. If the program is losing money, it would make more sense to invest the 400 million( that would be used to build the stadium) in to the other sports. Schools like Wichita State, Pacific, and others have cut their football programs and have contributed their other sports.

[@amac701]

Time to throw in the towel.

[@GrizrazRex]

Rainbow Warrior football was something unique, but we are entering an era where unique-but-fragile will not survive. Games at UH are simply seen as cost-ineffective by the rest of CFB. Travel is a logistical nightmare for UH and their opponents. The emerging superconferences will not entertain the idea of including UH, and I believe that we will see the return of regionalism after a mere 2 TV contract cycles.

[@garydavis8213]

Hawaii needs to either move their track or elevate the sideline stands and and use a retractable lower section to keep the track there. Stop waiting around for the state to build this stadium that’s been on the drawing board for years.

[@Alohanate2004]

They are relocating the track next year.

[@ronclark9724]

It took two years to build the temporary stadium up from almost nothing to 18 thousand with temporary bleachers...

[@garydavis8213]

@@ronclark9724 : It should take one year to buildup a nice “temporary” (which could just as well be permanent). See: Miami soccer temp stadium and Canada football temp stadium.

[@NCISfanatic21]

Covid really hurt them

[@Knightowl1980]

I feel like this stadium has been in the works for 10 years. I thought they already begin construction.

[@spang9782]

When Aloha Stadium opened in 1975, it was built with steel that supposedly rusted only lightly on the surface to form a "protective" coating. At least, that's what the salesman told the state. Now, you build a nearly 100% steel frame stadium near salt water (Pearl Harbor), and what do you think will happen? I've been to events there where there were small quarter sized holes in the floor, and you can see below! For the past several years, the Stadium Authority (SA) asks the legislature for repair funding, and every year it gets cut, so only minor repairs can be made. A couple of years ago, it got so bad that the SA had to condemn the stands, which forced the UH to expand Ching stadium, its practice field on campus. The SA and legislature knew the stadium was in poor condition, but the legislature kept restricting funds. For some reason, our legislature "hates" University of Hawaii football as it not only gets in the way of a repaired or new stadium, but also school leadership and even our choice of AD and coaching staff! But, when we went 12-0 in 2007 and played in the Sugar Bowl, they were all lined up for free tickets and a ride there.

[@Knightowl1980]

@@spang9782 it’s unfortunate bc there’s such a rich football culture there. Hell 2of my teams last 3 qbs were from there not to mention a few other position players and I’m in FL.

[@ronclark9724]

@@Knightowl1980 While the stadium situation is dire, the recent covid pandemic really affected their out of state recruiting efforts. They will rebuilt their team again...

[@chalesgolding5314]

They literally just brought the video board over from the several years out of service Aloha stadium and are making a huge deal about it in the local news 🤦‍♂️…

[@eymannreport4177]

maybe downgrade to the FCS until they can build it

[@ronclark9724]

Why, when the present temporary stadium has enough capacity to average 15 thousand attendance over a two year period? While Hawaii's population may be small, but they do draw more than enough fans to maintain FBS status even in that crumby temporary stadium...

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Looking at that chart the PAC12 would be 64.7 average. The BIG10 would drop down as would the Big12. In fact, PAC12 would be higher than everyone outside of the SEC.

[@n8iveadventures731]

High school football is more exciting in hawaii.

[@mikethomas860]

They should move the Hawaii football team to Stanford for the next 5 years. Stanford does not appear to have a need for it in the next few years.

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

They Need a USFL Team there. The Hawaiians Aquamen ‼️

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

Surfers 🏄‍♀️ 🏄🏿‍♂️

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

Lava Firemen

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

Lava Eaters

[@IlluminovaNibiru]

Volcanoes

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

They had a World Football League team back in the 70’s.

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Colorado State in the MWC is not University of Colorado now in a he Big 12.

[@worldsgreatestdude1784]

How d Lyon make videos in like a few hours? I don’t even know how to create ONE KZbin Video

[@Avelyn_Band]

Just fix old aloha

[@Knightowl1980]

I don’t think it’s exists, it was imploded I think. But it was condemned pretty badly though.

[@trickolas78]

@@Knightowl1980do you just assume everything in life?

[@Knightowl1980]

@@trickolas78 nope. Why

[@Ktaurus26]

You can’t. The entire structure is rusted from the ocean air

[@amac701]

Beyond repair.

[@JamieNiemeyer-tz7zy]

Hawaii has a pretty food program depressed ginger I love honestly how u think these places and teams are going down when actually there not your more wrong then right when it come to your information get a clue deep dive a little more please

[@choatican]

The prestigious school of macaroni salad, spam, and rice.

[@donhula5298]

Oregon State fans call their team OSU. You’re splitting hairs with the “Ore St” point.

[@Kalikus808]

Hawaii had a great coach in Todd Graham. But he was too white... i mean... tough... for racist... i mean... "caring" disgrace... i mean... Senator Donna Mercado Kim. If only he hadn't hurt a part-time student equipment managers feelings by yelling at him (because he sucked; also, he was distantly related to formerly mentioned senator Kim) then Hawaii would be playing BSU for the MW championship every year.

[@ronclark9724]

Hawaii went to a bowl games before, and they will again. Hopefully the new stadium is built soon, knock on wood, but the present temporary stadium hosting football is better than nothing...

[@edwardkelly3280]

Yes

[@63cero]

They should go Independent. Theyll still get teams that want to play them in the west coast cause who doesnt want to go to Hawaii 😅?

[@SamWesting]

Teams will only want to play Hawaii early & late in the season. It would get tough to schedule mid-season, as few teams want to fly over the Pacific in the middle of a conference slate. This is why Hawaii being independent isn’t viable.

[@spang9782]

A lot of big name schools refuse to play Hawaii because of the travel distance, jet lag, and yes, the "distractions." I recall one team whose players were hurting from severe sunburns on game day. Nowadays, when teams visit, it's ALL BUSINESS! No playing around....at least not until after the game. As a season ticket holder, I've seen Hawaii defeat the likes of Alabama (pre-Saban), Washington, Northwestern, Michigan State, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon State, BYU, and Houston. But likewise, we have to deal with that when we travel to the mainland but historically, we have wins against Washington, Nebraska, Oregon, and Illinois (Holiday Bowl) on the road. This season, we play Oregon at Autzen Stadium which is predicted to be a blow out. But interestingly, Hawaii is 3-0 vs. Oregon lifetime. But that was pre-Mike Bellotti years.

[@SamWesting]

Dude, I live in Hawaii. We can kid ourselves about teams being “scared” to fly here. But prestigious non-conf opponents do come early & late in the season. It’s just that they can’t all come in that time window. They don’t want to fly out here in the middle of a conference slate. And that means an independent Hawaii team is going to spend most of the middle weeks on the road. And by the way, some of the wins you cite weren’t all that impressive. UW in ‘73 was only 2-9 & in ‘07, they were 4-9. Nebraska in ‘55 was 5-5. Bama in ‘03 was 4-9. Mich St. in ‘04 was 5-7. The biggest upset wins Hawaii had were over BYU in 1989, ‘90 & ‘01. The win over Boise St. in ‘07 was huge. But most of these other wins were over programs that had mediocre years.

[@spang9782]

@@SamWesting Duuuude! Whatever.

[@ronclark9724]

@@SamWesting Spot on... Hawaii needs to be in a conference... The FBS conferences with the shortest flight times are the Mountain west and the Pac-7 presently. Although if Hawaii did drop down to FCS status the Big West conference is available, but the Big West don't play football implying they would have to play in the WAC...

[@amac701]

This stadium won’t happen. Logistics are a hindrance. Hawaii football future is bleak.

[@kappaman1994]

1st 🤷🏿‍♂️