Is Hearthstone Too Expensive?

[@larryli9051]

The game is not pay to win, it's pay to have fun - most fun decks have lots of legendaries. My biggest gripe is that some decks cost way more than others - I can easily play pirate warrior as a f2p, but if I want to play reno mage, I need to mortgage my house and sell my left kidney.

[@festivite]

Wild very much is p2hf but standard is just straight p2w.

[@alakirthewindlord5570]

I got legend on standard in 3days with 2legendary cards, where is this "p2w"

[@ronaldyang2295]

@@alakirthewindlord5570 the winds obey MY command

[@Alexander-ml8uz]

@@festivite it’s not. You can take a look at trumps f2p series

[@Alex-xn8zr]

@@alakirthewindlord5570 duels mode

[@stm8827]

I see that this video was influenced by Zeddy's "summer sale" meme , nice.

[@DenisCavalcantiMartins]

Right now he is the Resistance

[@blorg7174]

@@DenisCavalcantiMartins And Blizzard is ADVENT

[@oneherdof]

The issue in hearthstone isnt really that it's pay to win, you can easily push high legend free to play just crafting the cheaper tier 1 or tier 2 decks. The issue is that you cant afford to play a variety of decks. Pay to have fun essentially.

[@anklesthedragon]

that honestly depends on the format. It’s both P2W & P2HF, just depends on what you consider fun. You cannot make a tier 1 deck for cheap a lot of formats. There definitely are some, but not a ton. Blizzard did add a great option to get gold and packs for free just by playing with more quests and leveling, though. So it’s more possible to get better cards without actually paying. Back in the day, F2P literally could take hundreds to thousands of hours to create a tier 1 deck and run your way to legend. Nowadays, it’s much more doable in a reasonable amount of time which is really great on Blizzards end It also depends what you consider P2W. Like is it win enough to become legendary? Or win a fair amount of games? Or just win some games? Because if you want to become legendary and win like 60%+ games when you get to high ranking, you will likely need to pay or put in a ton of time grinding. But if that’s not something you care about, you can definitely get to a good rank and win often by not spending any money. You can easily make good climbing without paying especially with the questing and leveling systems they have nowadays. But if you’re trying to be seriously competitive, like amateur level or pro even if ur that good, then you likely need to pay UNLESS you’re willing to grind out gold.

[@corriedebeer799]

I have grinded since 2014 and have plenty of fun wild and classic decks, don't play standard though, I find it pretty boring. Lots of fun to be had on the cheap in this game. Coming from an MTG background where you have buy-ins similar to poker, just being able to do a couple of quests and get some cards is very endearing

[@oom-3262]

I mean, you can easily have a variety of cool decks in wild, the thing is that what you cannot have is every class.

[@joshrichardson985]

In the current meta you absolutely cannot even make it to gold without paying for cards, stop lying to people.

[@aplayerplays708]

ah hearthstone, needing 4 legendaries to make 1 legendary.

[@prawnstar9213]

EXACTLY! I tried the past week to come back after 2.5 yrs gone and at that time I had 90% of the whole set.. I came back to having 50% and after $300plus spent and an hour plus of cracking stupid freaking packs which takes FOREVER just 61.9% of all cards. That would mean about 1k would equate to just 80%. That’s a crap ton and I’d very Very likely have just enough dust to create one legendary and maybe a few purples. The best of hearthstone has been long gone… died when the Creator left due to internal arguments like charges to people. It was the best game ever first 5 years

[@insomniacresurrected1000]

This is why I stopped playing it. I did not like draining my bank account to make a decent deck in multiple classes.

[@WoWxwooddeer]

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yes...

[@theunbannable4838]

My child has been sacrificed, now give me my bundle

[@epicguy4733]

imagine actually spending money on GIFs

[@alexdasliebe5391]

I was around for online porn in 1992. Yes.

[@dopplegaming4289]

You paid to show off we live in a universe who people pay for Overwatch skins they barely see.

[@TrueRushed]

What would be cool is letting you "discover" the free legendaries in those packs. Like at least give a few options and let you choose.

[@joergio6]

Gwent had a system like this when i played it, it was really good

[@zhmyh6599]

hearthstone prices are just immence imo, always looked like that to me

[@Akursedtime]

I played Hearthstone during the time my dad was at the hospital for a heart attack and it helped me get away from that period of my life. However, I started to notice how difficult it was to have fun after playing for a year. So stopped. It was fun at the time. But it got increasingly frustrating because it was so expensive. I do enjoy watching Hearthstone KZbinrs and Twitch Streamers still. It's only fun when you can afford it.

[@dejwid8335]

I remember the times when there were only packages and adventures in the store, sadge :c

[@No__Vanity]

It was a short period when only adventures and packs were in shop.. we got sylvanas magni and medivh really early and naxx came out pretty late

[@dejwid8335]

@@No__Vanity sylvanas? That was alleria if I good remember

[@No__Vanity]

@@dejwid8335 yes it was her sister, im sorry

[@dejwid8335]

@@No__Vanity Too many windrunners are in Warcraft :P

[@xenolwatersource6198]

"insert comment" good , now we wait for the person to choose me so i can use the dust i get from the bundle to craft renolock

[@captainfungi8312]

So, what I'm getting here is that hearthstone needs to start printing actual physical cards again to justify its cost.

[@mrspacex_]

Have been suffering with getting a good deck ever since getting back into the game this year. I built myself a miracle rogue for standard and lost 20 games in a row, it wasn't great that I just spent all my dust on that.

[@tkm1832]

Legends of Runeterra has an awesome model. I started playing a year and ago and I made some initial investments because I am not the best at grinding out decks. However, here I am a year later and I have been able to craft everything from the last 2 expansions and still have abundance of wild cards (correlates to golden cards in HS) and shards (correlates to dust). I currently a have a 100 % of the cards in 3 of the sets and the last set I own 73 % of the cards - which I easily could craft.

[@ZedlyLOL]

Summer sale got me like: "How long can this go on...."

[@LukeStrife]

How long can this go on...

[@sheshin]

Free me!

[@somerandomdude3476]

It would be actually interesting to see the economic of all games since Hearthstone Mathematics proofed, that Skins are not a really good way for Blizzard to get money. Does Runterra just make less, are players willing to spend more? Would be really interesting. Also how does the Witcher Game manage to pump out all of this content while still learning money. I love economic stuff like this.

[@somerandomdude3476]

@Nexeon xeneon Ok but what did you lead ro this decission? Was it just the fun, was there more variety or in generall better options? Would you buy these cosmetics if they would be in Hearthstone but still exactly the same way they work in runeterra. So many questions haha

[@SkraxsChannel]

​@@somerandomdude3476 I can only speak for myself, but when I buy a skin I get what I want. It's a one for one exchange, both parties are happy. When I buy packs for money I don't know what I am getting, I don't know how many packs I have to buy to get what I want and I might end up with cards I don't want at all. The seller gets his money and is happy.

[@ramxavier4627]

@@somerandomdude3476 it feels like youre just paying just for fun or like when you gamble and spend 50$ cos you feel fortunate enough and you just did it for leisure (for the cosmetics), the game just gives out so many cards its insane, youll wonder how they even get money,

[@somerandomdude3476]

@@ramxavier4627 This is exactly what I revered to. I'd love to have some inside into their money making.

[@marcelos4096]

And in the end of the Day, I still play hearthstone.

[@narwharrior675]

The hardest part about quitting is the first week. I have more fun in Runeterra and have only purchased visuals. I'm happy to spend the money. I chose my cards, and my board and deck looks exactly how I want.

[@scilencebay3271]

The worst feeling is when you earn free packs by doing something that some person enthusiastically encourages you to do, like watching grandmasters for 2 or 4 hours, but you still only get 40 dust per pack...

[@ShanomoBro]

Since last year I moved my hs play to wild, and started runeterra. In hs I have a great collection from playing since old gods, but I’m pretty sure I have more card completion in runeterra by now as f2p only. Magic was similar in cost for sure, but runeterra is a solid f2p option with fun mechanics. Glad you did a informative review on it recently :)

[@peterabdou8317]

Hearthstone is so expensive, been playing for years and went f2p back in 2019 and havnt looked back since!

[@gibberingmaw3211]

Didn't realize Gwent and Runeterra re so cheap, I haven't even really tried them I need to get in on that.

[@showd6229]

Yeah I play runeterra now and it’s great, I have like 90% of cards, the only cards king of hard to get are champions, which are kinda like legendaries, but there is also a disenchantment system that feels so much better

[@allykat5931]

@@showd6229 i feel like champions are the easiest. Epics are the hardest

[@Neki49772]

I've been playing Hearthstone for almost seven years now. I want to win!

[@CRDumo]

I’m a free to play guy, the start of a new expansion is always the best for me with the new battle pass thing you get so much gold and packs, would love a bundle though.

[@xXpro888Xx]

Hi Solem, I am from Germany too and playing Hearthstone 4-5 days a week. I lagg a lot at the newer sets and would really like to win the bundle. Thanks for the interesting videos! I really enjoyed the videos with dexter where you played past expansions.

[@darren5591]

this is me sacrificing my first born for the giveaway codes!

[@darkvegita845]

This game just dont deserve loyal players like we are

[@M4cTr1cK]

play legends of runeterra. Much better gameplay, and really is free to play

[@Trooves_]

Nowadays there’s so much things to buy on hearthstone.

[@danielgarner2589]

I used to buy every expansion but since the new reward track I've been able to earn about 8000 gold each expansion and that's enough cards for me to make the decks I want to play.

[@saulogregoryev1176]

Oh Person, thanks for your ironical approach, i've had my share of laughter along your series with Dekkster and also found myself much more interested in Hearthstone and wild! Pretty excited to play USW and see your new ideas!

[@sushipls9343]

i want the pack, let me feel the "p2w" start for once! :(

[@pauloviniciusgaspar1]

All i have is my Kitties, and i'm ready to sacrifice then for the codes

[@Sanguiii]

I came back to the Game this year and i was greatly surprised by the "Battle pass" It makes earning gold and being able to get packs easily, i think that Hearthstone compared to back un where i started playing it's greatly better, now at least you don't need to grind everyday to get gold for next expansion and shit, shit you can also buy card backs and some hero skins with gold

[@TheOddOrigin]

I have to agree, I’ve been able to get so much more coins with the battle pass than before. 3 ranked wins for 10 coins and a quest a day was awfully painful just to get 500 coins

[@DatMageDoe]

When I came back day before Barrens dropped, I had piss all for a collection because I last played in 2017. As of right now, I have an assortment of decks over two classes, including a Tier 1 Elemental Shaman, tier 3 Ping Mage, and some assorted homebrews like Secret Mage and Primordial Mage. Plus I have 4000 gold stored up for next expansion, and that's *after* buying the miniset. By the time the expansion drops, I'm likely to have enough for 50-55 packs. Not bad for playing for 3 months F2P.

[@Laxontlyn]

The game was always absurdly expensive. People just didn't notice it until the competition rolled in and set some reasonable prices. Hence the community started to complain and we got Battlepass and stuff. Maybe in 3 years HS will have some okayish price-point as well.

[@ettoremario5020]

Hey solem I'm from Italy and I love watching all of yours videos because I can understand everything and you have a fantastic personality, have a nice day!

[@jsaparicioc]

Yes, HS is expensive. So i want to enter the giveaway :)

[@Warder7771]

I'm playing HS and dear god there's no pride in these words

[@AirmanTerror180]

I think hearthstone isnt really too expensive, you do get a lot on the bundles, the problem is it's so much more expensive using dust and gold imo

[@Piterix21]

50 dolars for packs, that do not guarantee you have all cards from the expansion, actually you don't even get half of the legendaries; also if you are f2p player, there's no way you can play every deck. It's so fucking sad, I am playing hearthstone since grand tournament I did not spend any money but I play regularly and for example ... I could not afford to buy Dalaran's heist adventure, I also currently has like 70% of all cards but I am playing the game for like 5 or 6 years and with every another expansion I lack even more cards, not to mention the game just keeps getting worse and the only thing blizzard implement into the game is just shitty cosmetic

[@tikussnorlax3544]

@@Piterix21 Idk, as an F2P player, I’m perfectly content with maiming a meta deck a month.

[@knolty]

It's the price of nostalgia more than anything else...I grew up playing Warcraft 3, never got into wow, but the lore and the characters stuck with me, so I stick around for HS, even though sometimes it makes you think about money stuff...until you win a game or get a nice drop from a pack at least.

[@CamEatsHam]

You’re the best Solem 💜 I love Hearthstone so much - I not only would love a code, but would love to collab on a Hearthstone series perhaps - something where we use an RNG thing to select one card, then auto complete the deck and face each other for a random series!

[@Hynra]

Hearthstone is not expensive because I'll just win all the content creator giveaways.

[@OzZyTheOzZy]

I'm so scared to see how much money I've spent on this game

[@Spodermanrektu]

I really would like to win the bundle. I'm ready to sacrifice my soul for it. Reason is simple; I've been struggling a lot to collect cards recently. I'm even low on dusts to craft any new decks that would be available after the new expansion. This bundle would help me SOOOOO MUCH. Anyway, thanks for the opportunity. Cheers.

[@maxzalman]

Used to spend money on the game for years, the apex of which was when I pre-ordered Scholomance TWICE. Got golden Kel’Thuzad which never saw play and did not spend a dime on this game since. Still having fun in wild and occasionally in standard.

[@spongeworthy3253]

Solem, your videos convinced me to try Wild and I love it! Here's to many more HS years and hopefully a giveaway bundle :cheers:

[@andreicecold4379]

I've played hearthstone for only a few months, spent no money, and have bought the entire tombs of terror and dalaran heist adventures and have never felt the need to spend money to stay competitive in standard. Hearthstone was too expensive for a long time, and that's why it feels like you need to spend money to have fun in wild, because the odds are you are missing most of the wild collection.

[@danielmatheisen7411]

My tavern tier is currently at Lvl 181. I guess I play a lot although I am not much enjoying the meta. Though I never preorder so I have to log in at least 2 times a week to complete every quest to earn enough enough gold to have an at least okay card collection. So yeah, I would appreciate to get one of the codes. Thanks.

[@miltonlost138]

I have a paid account on NA and a F2P account on EU and the only reason I was able to have any fun on the F2P account was that I got Whizbang and was able to use it for about 2 years. I also did not disenchant cards until I needed the dust or the cards got nerfed and then I would craft cards going to the Hall of Fame right before the rotation to wild for free dust. Even then, I have about 3 playable decks and a couple of horrible meme decks.

[@Shoeyolk]

This is most insightful. Valid points, especially for sporadic spender who needs to balance out how much to spend each expansion.

[@fremontthehacker3898]

I'm a F2P player since a while back and I have managed to create a couple of decks, some very expensive like reno-mage. It is possible but takes a while. It also helps to go infinite in arena

[@ZilNab]

I play a little, but just keep an eye mainly. Play Legends of Runeterra so was cool seeing you make a video on that! Hope to see more :]

[@Avimuse77]

I just joined hearthstone a few weeks ago, and your content hella inspires me to go on, even when I get depressed from Priest XD

[@kaarolus4503]

When I started playing this game like 3 years ago I was f2p. All my decks were bargage, then I started buying the mega pack on Darkmoon (mainly because Nzoth was so cool) and now I have practically everything I want. It's preety much funnier, but also I have no money :D

[@XxRaSaCkXx]

comment, i jusst started playing a month ago again. you, roffle and zeddy have been really fun to watch on youtube :)

[@lonelylonely8224]

@Solem thank you so much for providing the opportunity to win the bundle and for the *comment* Being a 100% F2P hitting legend multiple times playing in wild(thanks to person(Solem) suggested aggro druid to save time and win 😁) as opposed to playing standard and getting blocked at D5(best way to play HS as told by HS)

[@jordanlutz8307]

Do you get classic ards from the new wild packs?

[@dodiuzunov6067]

That was really something blizzard. Nice vid solem.

[@catulus6531]

The Gwent music was so beautiful.

[@jorisvandewinkel5229]

Been playing free to play for years now. You just have to keep playing, if you miss an entire expansion you’re set back a lot. I quit after witchwood and came back for ashes of Outland, I was stuck to playing aggro dh as it was the only reliable strategy to get a high rank for more dust/cards. Now I can have 2 or 3 good decks for an expansion.

[@blueeyeswhitedragon122]

The biggest problem i have with blizzard aggressively monetizing hearthstone as they do, is that i cant stop looking forward to having the wild decks i want to play and then just stockpiling gold for future standard metas and golden classic decks. Gonna be a great time once i have the few cards needed and wont have to worry about the cost of stuff in the future.

[@KadronB]

Thanks for the giveaway and post a video just on Runeterra sometime. The decks aren't as varied as hearthstone or as degenerate as wild but you can still have interesting decks and complex champions (legendaries) to build your deck around.

[@notthere83]

I think the estimation about Standard is very optimistic. The 100 dust per pack rule only applies if you already have ALL cards from that expansion, since you need to be able to dust everything. What’s more likely for most people is about 50 dust per pack on average. And so even though I’ve already spent almost 200€ on the latest expansion, to craft the additional cards needed for some of the more expensive meta decks (with the 200€, I was only able to build shaman and face hunter decks - in part thanks to the free shaman deck that I got as a new player. AND I even had to dust some legendaries that I’d probably never use) - well, here’s a rough price list: Rush warrior: 200€ Menagerie priest: 200€ Secret/aggro paladin: 170€ Some Warlock: 170€ Lifesteal/Deathrattle DH: 100€ Miracle Rogue: 100€ 1K gold is about 10€, so… yeah, have fun trying to win ~20K gold in arena…

[@notthere83]

Although, granted, if you’ve been p(l)aying for 1-2 years by now, you probably have a whole bunch of expensive cards from past expansions and so the deck prices wouldn’t be quite as high for you. Well, you already paid that part of the price in the past…

[@vincentmeinsma8565]

Would love to win the bundle! Just started out playing at the game a month or two ago and I'm a bit tired of playing just one deck duo to the lack of resources. As you said in one of your earlier video's: the game is not pay to win, but pay to have fun.

[@JohnPaul-EruRainon]

I tried Hearthstone First during the Descent of Dragons expansion. Through the first few packs that I opened with coins I earned, I actually got a dragonqueen Alexstraza and Zephrys The great. So I just built an Highlander mage deck and had a lot of fun. Never spent a dime. But as soon as LOR came out, I shifted to LOR and until now, I am completely happy with my choice. Hearthstone is certainly PTW, I just got lucky in the beginning. LOR on the other hand is as free to play as it gets, without spending a dime, I completed almost 95% of the entire card pool within an year and never did I feel like I was grinding a lot. Even though since everyone has access to the top tier meta decks and climbing ranked can become tedious as you face the same deck back to back, You can't make me say Legends of Runeterra isn't the best digital CCG available right now. And with the latest introduction of the rougelike RPG lab: "The Saltwater Scourge ", there are a lot of ways to unwind your frustration of losing in the game. If you like card games a lot, I certainly recommend to give LOR a try. You will like it.

[@kennyb336]

I play Hearthstone :D As for the conversion -> You can go to the US battlenet and buy the bundles in $. I always do this when purchasing something (not that i often do that :) )

[@andreicecold4379]

I've never gotten the ptw argument for the past two expansions. You could have easily gotten the entire darkmoon and forged in the barrens if you ground out the rewards track.

[@Ma7ezzZ]

Hey Solem! Person from Argentina here. Keep up the good content!

[@SuperJeremy1982]

I just started playing again, and the standard latter is daunting... this game really is expensive.

[@simonjeden5610]

love your videos, keep it up dude

[@berkebus]

I think I would seriously consider shelling 50 euro's for Hearthstone, every expansion, if for those 50 euro's I got every card in that expansion.

[@theholyom1316]

The problem I have is that after a while I just get bored with my decks but then I don’t have enough money to make more

[@Davide-th4um]

That's so true, I'm eventually gonna get bored of HS even tho I still play it a lot, I play from Un Goro and I always played hearthstone, yet I still have only 3 decks and only one fun deck with the new yogg in standard. This game is simply pay to have fun or lose your whole life to have fun

[@RAMiNQULUZADE]

Yeah, I'm playing HS from launch, and last X years I just log in to complete some dailies, and I hate myself doing it.

[@hristobogdanov4079]

My boy Solem went full Zeddy mode this vid and I respect that

[@screamslittlesister9749]

I've been playing for years. I just came back to it about a month ago. I can tell you it's pretty much always been super expensive. (Coming from the guy who bought the Mecha jaraxus bundle)

[@gameaddictcz1742]

The new shamam firelord skin is nice thought.

[@timbersofwrath]

Hi person, just wanted to say you’ve improved a lot, keep going, you’ll be a bigger person one day

[@ragsnazlohcs225]

Hey Person, human here. Hearthstone sucks nowadays but watching you play with Zeddy or Dekkster encouraged me to try stuff like this with my friends as well. I need the packs to destroy them you know. Its for a good cause :D. Thanks for the content.

[@JuegonHod]

I feel you made a lot of good points. Unfortunately I've been playing this game since beta and it has accompanied me through college and beyond. I've finally hit legend last year since I had more time for gaming because of the pandemic. I've tried to get into other games but I just don't have the time or energy to get too far and always end up returning to Hearthstone. They've made a lot of good changes recently, but there is so much more they could do with the game that doesn't happen and I fear will never happen.

[@alexh417]

We love Lt.Eddy cameos

[@pridas5202]

I recycled all my legendaries and epics just to craft a cool galakrond priest deck. I did that because the random generation allows me to play with cards I don’t have. Galakrond cycled out a week later.

[@milcza]

*finishes sacrificing the first-born child* *Solem says it was just a joke* Me: "Well what about the sacrifice now?"

[@juauke]

It is expansive, I am really hesitating about buying those skins and those expansion bundles (even though I bought them all since Scholomance Academy).

[@blackbaron3021]

It would be funny if the things that they show on hearthstone summer sale page became even more expensive when the sale ends.

[@dinkeserovic2992]

Glad you made this G

[@littledyu-gi-oh3580]

Hey person! I play hearthstone since 2016 and I still enjoy it very much. I have never been able to buy any big bundles so it would be cool if I got one! Anyway, keep up the cool videos!

[@zekodlak997]

yes. in january i dissenchanted all i had for one god deck and i got to top 4k legend on eu and then meta started to change/got bored of the deck but i had no dust for anything else so i quit playing

[@mbempireMB]

You can play for free and make an aggro deck for real cheap, but if you want to have fun or play any other type of deck it becomes really expensive really fast and most people don't just play a single deck over and over again it gets boring. Whizbang was good because it's really cheap and offers several decent decks, at least while it was in standard I doubt it's any good in wild.

[@orangrazz]

I definitely want to go back, but it's just too expensive for me and it just keeps on getting more expensive in Wild.

[@RealHalny]

i wish they would allow you to choose a legendary in reaward track rather than giving oy a random one. As a f2p player it feels terrilble when you get a legendary for a class that you dont play. I got a barrens legendary for rogue and i disenchanted it because i have no rogue cards

[@lucashogsander5088]

You know the squirrel in the teaser. Done and done. Need my free packs

[@mikcent4435]

The fact that I hate the most about the monetization in Hearthstone is the difference in crafting cost beetween a Rare an Epic and a Legendary, like for 2 rares I have to spend 200 dust, then for 2 epics already 800, and for a Legendary 1600. I feel like Epics should cost 300 each and Legendaries 800

[@jinleng74]

Love your analysis on HS. Yes, HS is a very expensive game, especially for countries where currency is weak against the dollar. There are probably a handful of people playing this game from where I am from.

[@bartoszi123]

Hey person, I came back to hearthstone like a month ago and since then I watch your every video. Suddenly, my collection of cards is not that big yet. The bundle would help me have more fun with the game. If u read it I wish u a nice day, even if I don't win :)

[@johallo1373]

I can just talk about wild, since thats pretty much the only mode i play atm. And in my opinion hearthstone is way to expensive for those who start completly new with nothing. But if a player started playing in the first couple expansions then I think, that this game is still pricy, but not overly expensive. Since now with every new expansion just a few cards see play in wild, I only need this few cards and that is not very expensive.

[@Wfnfia]

Just began playing and although a little overwhelmed I'm really enjoying the game and planning on learning it more in depth. Thanks for the helpful videos 👍

[@VermeerMusic]

Thanks for doing the research for us

[@baller5063]

I better win that bundle, i sacrificed my only child

[@Emericajosh]

Runeterra is a prime example of how to monetize a game well in a non-toxic manner. Blizzard could learn a lot from Riot, players having a larger card pool also attributes to a healthier and more diverse meta.

[@lukemutchie3486]

Of all the card games I play Gwent is my favorite but least played, LoR is fun but I burn out on, YGO I play in bursts, Hearthstone I play the most consistently since I started from the beginning and MTGA very seldomly