Is Humankind the "Civ Killer"? - Humankind Gameplay First Impression (Open Dev)

[@raph9584]

Hopefully this would create healthy competition in the industry that we all can benefit from

[@ChevalierdeJohnstone]

That would be true if good games were a product and not art. But nobody believes that. Artists can be hindered by poor management and lack of funding, but an artist doesn't design and create as a profit maximizer.

[@Bobelponge123]

James Johnstone are you white?

[@UnordinaryCarl]

@@Bobelponge123 Aryan blue dabadidabafie dabidiba daie.wav

[@Solus749]

@@Bobelponge123 there are people out there that call taping a banana peel to a wall art. Lets not go there and why even use the skin colour card because not all artists make things that people would actually buy....which happen to be kind of important if you make a product to sell.

[@ChevalierdeJohnstone]

@@Bobelponge123 Big fan of the Battle of Sauchieburn and other events in that year

[@fcm3d]

I just got into Civ6 like 4 days ago....I haven't been sleeping much....

[@SoggyCroissants]

Same I'll be very disappointed if civ dies

[@patcheslapp660]

try installing some mods, bye bye sleeping

[@SoggyCroissants]

I'm a console player, I can't get mods

[@cerviche101]

at least you can get into it, havent been able to for 3 years since they refuse to fix a launcher issue that a few people are having

[@suskawan3806]

Thats the civ6 effect

[@cenotemirror]

I read ‘Is Humankind the Civ Killer’ and thought to myself ‘Well, obviously, it ain’t gonna be the f’ing wolves that do it’ before realizing it was about video games. In my defense it’s 2020.

[@williampetersen6377]

same dude, same. But then i learned it was a company with games i have never heard of. Cool cool

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

You say that, yet our lupine to-be masters plot in the shadows, always lurking, always scheming, looking for our moment of weakness, biding their time as they look for the right moment to overthrow us, enslave us and become the new overlords of this Earth. You may be laughing at me now, but will you be laughing at me when you're thrown in wolf gulag?

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Marik Ishtar 536 was real bad.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Marik Ishtar www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/11/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive

[@vladimirptacek4300]

well played, sir

[@Beastinvader]

The terrain is definitely the strongest advantage over Civ at the moment.

[@LINKedup101]

Having actual height maps makes the world seem more real and alive imo. It's hard in Civ right now to really get a feel for what terrain you're on because without zooming way in hills and flatland look super similar. Plus me personally I've always enjoyed the regions approach to cities, keeps the map from getting too cluttered

[@2fat4airborne44]

Jep, hardline follow up from Endelss Legend :). So nice

[@lovesosa3837]

You are a spuddy...

[@t.estable3856]

@@2fat4airborne44 The combat system seems WAAAYYYYYYY better though. Combat in EL was the one thing that really fucked up my enjoyment of the game, especially in multiplayer......

[@beef5163]

for me, all it needs to beat civ is some netcode coded by humans rather than monkeys.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Yes the title is clickbait, get baited. Admit it, it made you CLICK THOUGH, civ is never going anywhere! I would invite you to google search for Betteridge's law of headlines .

[@Colaman112]

Chomp chomp

[@mcrmoe09]

Damn you potato, oh well might as well watch it. Already baited...

[@suicon9392]

joke's on you, i would have watched anyway

[@zedantXiang]

I was simply wondering if I traveled in time since your alst vidoe had the same title

[@Forlfir]

This game looks better than civ 6 though, I still mostly play Civ 5 because of how messy cities look in civ 6 with the districts ;(

[@PhoenixStriker1]

Potato splitting his scouts like a veteran Endless Legend player

[@PhoenixStriker1]

I’m also happy I managed to play the Open Dev before this video got uploaded because somehow Potato’s second play through was considerably more efficient than my first

[@PhoenixStriker1]

Also the combat mechanics are similar to Endless Legend. In that game there’s what’s called retaliation damage, which means your unit can retaliate when attacked, but only if they haven’t yet attacked. So if your unit doesn’t do damage after it gets attacked, it’s because it made an attack already that round.

[@StopFear]

Did you actually like Endless Legend? I tried playing it more than once but each time it’s such a slow pain to play. Horrible music which I had to turn off to avoid falling asleep. Units move slowly. Combat speed has to be set only before game start otherwise it’s extremely slow. I just don’t understand how anyone has patience to play it.

[@jackbjossi]

@@StopFear +1

[@PhoenixStriker1]

StopFear Okay I actually had to physically stop myself from spewing volatile hatred for the offensive way you described Endless Legend’s music. Personally, I and everyone I know absolutely loves the music, but if you dislike the style then obviously it’ll sour the whole experience. As for the gameplay, I agree that the combat movement is fairly slow. I would personally prefer something like 1.5x speed, and while I personally think 2x speed is slightly too fast, it does make multiplayer much easier to get through. As for the movement speed, I actually appreciate it because when you have units with 9 tile movement ranges it allows for adjusting positioning. I personally love Endless Legend, and it actually baffles me that someone is asking about patience on a video by a guy who is most well known for his Civilization 6 content. Even so, I will admit that there is a steep learning curve with Endless Legend, and if you aren’t absolutely wowed with it on your first play through I could see how you wouldn’t really feel compelled to get into it. (Sorry for the wacked tone of my reply, I’m writing between deaths in TF2)

[@srpurple4209]

I am so excited for this game to release, happy the games is getting a lot of support

[@phoenix1453]

UI seems like so awful

[@jeeeeeb]

@@phoenix1453 ui looks exactly like civ

[@phoenix1453]

@@jeeeeeb nope

[@thatoneannoyingguy6619]

PhoeniX I agree that it may look confusing. However it’s not exactly bad. First the tutorial may help us in just getting used with it and second. Let’s be honest most strategy games UI look confusing until we try it by ourselves.

[@slavj]

@@phoenix1453 actually it's quite a good UI. Have played the Endless games it's inspired from, and intro'd them to new players. They were able to grasp how to play and find things in the UI very easily compared to CIV VI (which is also decent - but I find this better).

[@bumblesheep9528]

"The DEER has the Hightground!" I cant wait until the game comes out

[@goosegod6]

Also the deer is way stronger than the mammoth. #realism

[@Joker-no1fz]

@@goosegod6 well mammoths were extinct at this time period too.

[@Bravo-oo9vd]

You underestimate my power!

[@Sethbeyingman]

Bravo555 DONT TRY IT!

[@hodarov1564]

@@goosegod6 I'd like to think of the deer being in groups, the mammoth in either a tiny group or by it's lonesome.

[@brianmcgloughlin7799]

Feels more like a historical Endless Legend than a civ alike.

[@hyarmen4616]

Exactly. Imo civ games have way better, minimalistic UI. The one here really remind me of endless legend.

[@wolfsruhm]

my thoughts exactly about the EL, and it is actually a bit of a different approach into the subject

[@LINKedup101]

That's basically what it is, but i do like the approach to settling in this game more than anything I've ever seen tbh. Plus, the extensions mechanic and being able to expand your cities to multiple regions seems quite unique, though I haven't played every different historical 4X game,.

[@pikadragon2783]

it absolutely looks like Endless Legend. How is that game not made by paradox?

[@pikadragon2783]

XD nevermind, both games are from the same studio

[@Muhammed01FI]

I've noticed, everyone who're making videos of this game avoid mentioning the Civilization series... Not even two mentions; I've watched multiple videos from different ppl; every KZbinr seems keeping away from actively comparing it to Civ. It's strange 'cause it would be so good comparison and explaining the Humankind game concepts through familiar Civ concepts would make things lot clearer & easier to understand. And especially with a KZbinr like PotatoMcWhiskey whose entire KZbin channel revolves around Civ, you would think he would mention it here and there while playing around with the new game. Maybe the devs have said that you're not allowed to mention the Civilization series and you should minimize the comparisions. Has anyone else noticed this? :>

[@mawile3037]

You had me going until the " :> " 😆

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

I mean, he must've loopholed that rule with the "Civ Killer" title

[@SkyReviewsNet]

@@mawile3037 he had you until the very end? mission accomplished I guess.

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

@@YellOw139 no direct comparisons were made, but that title really suggests a contract loophole imo.

[@Muhammed01FI]

@@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686 Regarding the title. Maybe the contract was: "Avoid excessive mention of the Civilization series during the video". So he can use it on the title because the title doesn't include the video. I dunno know. Not a law expert. Never had anything to do with sponsorships. Anyways good comments and theories guys! ^-^

[@05AT1]

The question is, how long after release until someone makes a mod that renames money to dust?

[@Weraptor]

More pearls for me!

[@mehmetbahaozen8445]

best of both worlds eh

[@spicykorean]

I was thinking the same. Endless Legend vibes!

[@adilsoncaetano5684]

Prefer Spice Melange

[@NovaBushido]

Dust all the way baby!

[@jackspedicy2711]

9:02-9:19 "So this is how the game handles tall vs wide, becose by making a city wider your making it technicly taller" Firaxis games: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!

[@jackspedicy2711]

I mean hopefully its civ game that has the positives of civ6 without its shortcomings.... i like the much more zoomed in landscape , as it makes unit movement better for some reason....

[@Oborowatabinostk]

Is there any reason why you wouldnt just turn it into a city rather than using at as a district?

[@geminusleonem9365]

@@Oborowatabinostk Many. You have limited number of "governors" and a city without one gets a penalty. You have a ton of buildings that give bonuses based on how many regions a city has. Quarter adjacency can go through the roof with enough space. You also don't want some of the most urban Quarters near resources, so it makes sense to have the resource regions annexed to a city in a resourceless region.

[@hexazalea]

Thats also how most people play tall in stellaris. Horizontal tallness

[@OzixiThrill]

@@hexazalea Yeah, it's sad that there is no real tall play option available in Stellaris...

[@nathanharvey8570]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I am a part of Open Dev and I'll leave my own thoughts here: 1. The game is more like Endless legend than Civ, which is what I expected, and I prefer Endless Legend and Space(s) so that's fine by me, but I wouldn't call it a "Civ Killer". 2. The tech tree is smaller than I expected, but that might be because it's divided by the era you're in, so it might be more of an illusion thing. That said, every single tech (with maybe the example of horsemanship) felt really significant, they all packed a punch, with pretty much no "this is just something you want so you can get to the good stuff" techs. The smaller tech tree also kinda made you have to think in different terms, more short term, with a theoretically easy access to "endgame" tech for the era you're in. (and to a lesser extent, the next, since scientific cultures can see the next). 3. Building out all the specialized quarters in fun combinations was genuinely really satisfying, and the fact that you can build out from outposts, mines, etc. made things even more different and complex than in EL. I only realized at the end that castles and harbors can be placed pretty much any distance from other quarters, and since you can build out from them you're incentivized to make them to produce more roads and access good but distant tiles as well as for the bonuses they provide. I also like the idea of having a bunch of castles throughout multiple territories and switching between them as spawn-points for units to deploy anywhere, more as just a wacky strategy than a serious one though. 4. Resources work kinda similar to the original Endless Space. An extractor gives one unit of a resource. Strategic resources are needed to build certain units and improvements. Luxuries give buffs to all cities, and multiple units stack. Unlike in Endless Space, having a surplus of strategic resources did not seem to give an industry discount on things that need it, so unless there's something disabled for the scenario that's one difference. Luxury resources are kinda generic, Salt and Coffee both give +2 Food and +5 Stability, for example. I'm assuming that having different luxuries (or lots of the same one) will play a role in trade or diplomacy or something as a consequence. 5. Exploration and hunting was really powerful. Warriors made in cities or gotten from curiosities can make a lot of money by killing off mammoths. Only true Galaxy Brains know City Defense is the earliest economic tech. 6. Chopping was basically useless. A single scout takes 4 turns to chop a forest, needs 45 industry to be made, and only produces 10 industry after the forest is felled. (it's not per turn, I checked) It would take 5 forests and 20 turns for that scout to make 5 industry! I've heard that larger armies can chop faster, but the only use I can think of for chopping is to carve out more land for farms, which usually isn't a problem anyways. 7. Food is really powerful, but needs to be built up. Pop growth is tier based, there are specific levels of prosperity linked to growth/decline of population, and you're either at a given level or you're not. This means that the only short term benefit of food production is taking farmers and having them do other things. Once you make enough food, however, your pop growth basically doubles, and the speed of growth doesn't depend on how many pops you have like it does in other games, so you'll continue to super grow until your population ends up eating enough to knock you down to normal growth. 8. Combat was interesting, different enough from EL to be novel, with a smaller arena, simpler initiative, and more of a focus on positioning in a tight space, but we were only fighting animals and I didn't really make many units other than scouts and warriors, (and by make I mean found while exploring) so we will get more accurate impressions of it later. Promising now though. 9. Science Mode seems kinda broken, not just because it might be too powerful (especially when combined with researching an era ahead) but mainly because it seems the conversion of other resources into Science is borked. With all of my pops put in Industry or money, I was making more Science in SM than if I put them all in Science! (also in Science Mode) 10. The game is absolutely beautiful, and the fact that the ambient noises get louder when you zoom in and change gradually based on your location is great, as is the cultural music. Chasing around people in city squares and on roads, as well as wild animals, with the giant terrifying Sky Pointer was fun too! 11. We might have some hints as to Trade. Historically, in EL trade was based on roads and the sea regions. In this game, the description of some ships say they are used for both trade and war. I would have thought that this was flavor text, except for the fact that unlinked outposts a) build roads. b) have a (currently minimal) Trade and Resources tab, implying that at the least they represent way stops for trade routes, and c) the option to build harbors, when the only other options are resource extractors, moving the post, turning it into a city, and linking it. Not even defensive quarters like castles can be built by an unlinked outpost. This makes me think that making a navy and commanding them to serve as civilian traders could be possible, (other tasks that would be done by "civilian" units in other games like settling land and chopping trees are done by military units) or at least a way to help protect trade routes, and that very tall merchant empires might rely on naval dominance. 12. Only a few of the improvements were flat, most improve tiles, or jobs, or quarters, or give resources based on territories owned, or do miscellaneous things like give castles more vision range. Getting a feel for whether you should be building more quarters or building improvements might be something you have to get a feel for over time. Any improvement that gives "+1 X on exploitation" gives that to ALL tiles, BTW, not just ones that already provided X. 13. It was a little laggy, and my computer is actually really nice, but I couldn't really tell the difference between the medium quality and the better ones, so it was fixable. 14. The situational events were neat. I saw some people get some that I didn't, and vice versa. It looks like a lot of them have multiple trigger conditions, activating only when all of them are fulfilled, and assuming that there are plenty of events, that could make the game feel a lot more organic. I also have a lot of impressions about other parts of the game like the win condition, civics, etc. that didn't show up in this scenario, and they're all positive thus far! Overall, this shows signs of being an early build, but is still very polished, and looks like an early build for a damn good game! :)

[@FictionJunction.M.]

Definitely looking forward to trying this game out. The game looks beautiful, but in a way I think it looks a little bit too clean-cut and modern if that makes sense? Idk. Still, good to see some new gameplay. The city extension system looks like a really fun way to customise cities and a good way to negotiate the tall vs wide problem. Definitely would like to see more Humankind from good 'ol Mr Potato.

[@markheffer707]

I was thinking the same (looking at the UI in particular) can't help but see Endless Space. It looks super accessible which I like but doesn't quite fit for me. I was thinking maybe if the UI changed with the eras?

[@SepticFuddy]

Flavor UI would be super neat. In AoE2 I always loved how between the UI and the building models, different civ types and ages had a different aesthetic

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@markheffer707 There is plenty of time of the UI to change, this is 'pre-alpha' according to the watermark in the corner.

[@therevjacksonplant]

So I've also played the the Humankind OpenDev first scenario twice. Very similar feel to Endless Legend. The UI is better designed more like Endless Space 2. I killed several animals, built warriors, archers, scouts, outposts, and two cities. Pretty fun, but Endless Legend is extremely similar. If you want to learn Humankind, play Endless Legend for a while

[@Woofdeath13]

Does it have a similar gear upgrade to endless legend? I actually prefer Civ's system, and for that matter 5/6s lack of death stacks.

[@therevjacksonplant]

@@Woofdeath13 There were only 20 turns available, so upgrading wasn't really there. Also each Army/Unit group/Stack could only contain 4 units in the HumanKind OpenDev scenario. You can merge and unmerge the Stack units. I was able to research Archers and Warriors. I didn't get to build the Spearman, but I think I needed the copper resource for Spearman. The resource camp need a Artisan camp build on it to get the resource, like the Endless Legend extractor.

[@Woofdeath13]

@@therevjacksonplant Thank you for the info. 20 turns seems like its still to early to learn about the game. Thats kinda sad.

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

Not gonna lie, not having expanding boarders is kinda nice. One way to handle AI founding cities on your boarder where they have virtually no territory and are just a nuisance and game slowdown.

[@Dayvit78]

Good point. I can't play Civ without the minimum city distance mod.

[@LifeOfBrian24]

@@Dayvit78 Ooh that sounds helpful - what is this mod you refer to called?

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

@@LifeOfBrian24 Just search minimum city distance or something and you should find them. There should be a different one for each distance you wanna set. Keep in mind it also keeps you from settling close to your own cities. But if you are always settling like 6 hexes away, then turning this up should help a lot with AI city spamming.

[@Dayvit78]

@@LifeOfBrian24 For Civ VI, there is "City Minimum Distance 5" or 4.

[@L.G.1]

Dayvit78 doesn’t that kind of make it impossible to play optimally as the maya

[@xChaos23]

I am rather hyped for this game, Endless Legend had some problems but overall was so fun a very unique. This game seems to lie somewhere in between EL and CIv which sounds great

[@SmokeOne221]

Holy crap yall are fast with the comments.

[@warrcoww6717]

This is really interesting. It’s always annoyed me that the map takes so long to fill out in Civ games, and often times there are vast stretches of unclaimed land in the 21st century. It seems like that wouldn’t happen in this game.

[@lugar2188]

Let's have a "and all that sort of jazz" - counter lol

[@Rifestt]

Let's make it a drinking game!

[@synchc]

Jazz. It's musical wanking.

[@anq_b13]

Between 50 and everything above 50... Me: Seems legit...

[@grimgamer24]

@@guccilibrarian4728 thanks a lot for the time stamp. Didn't notice when he said it

[@MrDragonorp]

the quality on 1440p is amazing, what a beautiful game

[@dogelife7901]

If you have a smaller monitor, it's negligible. For a large tv 55+ it would be great

[@Digger-Nick]

@Officer Murphy Why would everything get tiny?

[@MrDragonorp]

@Officer Murphy if you watch 1080p on 1440 it will be a bit worse then normal 1080 but not much, other then that yeah its good quality and future proof. that's why I got it even when I have a low range graphic card, in case of upgrading in the future. I have 27 inches and that's the start of 1440p mattering really, below that there is no reason to take the leap

[@MrDragonorp]

@Officer Murphy thats not true, you can change the sizes in settings super easily, in games if they have an option for 1440 which most games have it, then the icons and everything will be the appropriate size.

[@CristobalFilio]

the user interface looks so clean and modern, I'm digging it

[@dogelife7901]

It's over Civ VI, I have the high ground.

[@okebul5474]

-Deer

[@verifeli]

That's X-com baby.

[@jaygremillion]

I love the look of the map and the almost three dimensional feel and how it interacts with unit movements.

[@monimike9420]

Just to clarify because people keep comparing this to Sid Miers Civ games, these are the same developers to Endless Legend if anyone remembers the 4X strategy game. The icons in this game are exactly the same as those in Endless Legend. The art style is practically the same with it's use of geographical shapes.

[@mjw907]

The UI and icons are so simplistic and beautiful.

[@phoenix1453]

I disagree. Civ 6 UI more simple than humankind

[@SamdGG]

Not very colourful though but nice still

[@Alpha4Sierra]

@@phoenix1453 it's because you are familiar with the Civ 6 UI. If you play it, and I've played both, the UI for Humankind is a lot more clean and easier to navigate.

[@phoenix1453]

@@Alpha4Sierra maybe ur right. But civ 6 symbols more simple than this. Anyway this is beta game get keeping better

[@Alpha4Sierra]

@@phoenix1453 One of the best symbols of Civ 6 are the yield icons. They look beautiful. But the overall UI is quite clunky IMO. For a pre alpha the gameplay is quite nice. It is extremely familiar to Endless Legends.. These scenario's are custom made for OpenDev, so that players can provide feedback. Knowing Amplitude's track record, I think they would take our feedback seriously and implement necessary changes. I am looking forward to this game. Civ has become lax, but there is more than enough room for two historic 4X games. Hopefully this can cause some constructive competition improving the whole 4X genre.

[@SepticFuddy]

as someone super new to Civ, this game makes more intuitive sense to me, and I can already appreciate the way they chose to represent things that I found a little strange about Civ. Despite being so new, Potato's observations rang pretty true with me even before he explained them. I look forward to seeing where it goes.

[@andrewgallichan5032]

At 26:10, if it's anything like Endless Legend, units usually only get a single counterattack per combat round. EL did have ways to increase that (up to unlimited counters per round with some difficult quest rewards/artifacts), so maybe there'll be techs or special units that will get more..

[@TanksExplosionsAnime]

would be cool if certain defensive units would have more counter attacks per combat round

[@Zapper1993]

As soon as I saw the yields I was like "O yeah, Endless Legend!"

[@Ultrue87]

Yeah it same design like Endless legend but i prefer Civ 6 yield Porn design when see it cause it can give you instant orgasm

[@krzysztofwisniewski4779]

Yep. that is exacly what I wanna to say.

[@MrTroutsdale]

It's basically endless legend from what I played. I enjoy the game but it's a lot slower and more boring than civ

[@Enigmashoot]

I'm so used to civ 6 this feels weird

[@schism2k9]

I am not a huge fan of the overly simplistic UI. The current UI makes the game feel cheap.

[@HyunaTheHyena]

It doesn't just feels weird, it looks like complete crap. The graphics are like Instagram filters.

[@Luca_Natoli]

@@schism2k9 agreed.

[@droe2570]

@@HyunaTheHyena This is a copy paste whine about Civ 6 when it was first coming out compared to Civ 5.....

[@HyunaTheHyena]

@@droe2570 haha I still dislike civ6 graphics and art. But this here looks just depressingly bad. At least civ6 has colors.

[@jeffreyhei7038]

I have been playing the Civ franchise since II came out and this is really the 1st game that has me excited for a true competitor.

[@jonasbindslev9894]

I like that it shows the exact health of your enemy, and the exact damage you might do to them. That information is crucial in a strategy game in my opinion, and is one of my biggest grievances with Civ 6, where you have to guess what the number is by looking at an inaccurate flashing health bar...

[@bigfudge2031]

if you going into a fight with the intention of surviving with 5hp you probably shouldn't be fighting.

[@danielgammo]

@@bigfudge2031 *_i dont think you have ever played ANY CIV GAME_* if u think there *SHOULDN'T* be accurate health bars.

[@strangeman7577]

I think this game will be good for civilization because it will cause the civ devs to try and keep up with the competition

[@t.estable3856]

Read as "Blatently copy the competition." ;) Cough, Cough, Districts were inspired by Endless Legend, Cough, Cough, Secret Societies were inspired by Crusader Kings, Cough, Cough.

[@TheAngryBeard]

seeing the FIDS icons threw me for a loop, but I guess it wouldn't be an amplitude game without em

[@nivodeus]

i didnt know it was from amplitude until i saw the FIDS. I personally like it. Gives a sense of familiarity and also a sort of watermark to the game

[@Pizza7478]

See, I didn't even realize this was being made by amplitude till this comment. I just saw them and was like "Wait, Can't they get Sued for so blatantly ripping off Icons from the Endless Series like that?" Obviously, this isn't a problem if they own them anyways :V

[@favorius]

The terrain is stunning beautiful, all the features, elevation and etc

[@-Kidzin]

This game is heavily inspired by one of the previous AS games - Endless Legend. And that's a good thing since that game is amazing. I just hope weakest part of it - combat, will be improved in Humankind.

[@DagarCoH]

26:00 in endless legend, most units only have one attack. Your warrior already attacked this round, so they have no attack left to "counter-attack". There are special abilities that can give you that. I guess it works the same here.

[@skyes4552]

I mean it probably won't be a civ killer, but it would encourage the civ devs to push out more content

[@LINKedup101]

They might even poach a few ideas here and there, which wouldn't be the end of the world

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Yeah I'm not holding much hope for the civ devs. It's been ages since they've added ideas that weren't an inferior copy of what made their competitors unique. Civ 6 is kind of still good despite their lazyness, although the dlc practice is paradox tier outrageous, and their AI CA tier shite, but civ 7 will be a dumpsterfire if it even comes out, ever. It's the end of the road. So I'mma hope at least these guys do make a good killer, let it be swift, not a painful slog as it's progressively turning into.

[@christopherjohnson1873]

It'll be interesting to see how combat works in more complex situations (e.g. between civs, with more units and more advanced units)

[@WolfePaws]

Thank god they ditched the awful, unwieldy combat system from Endless Legend. That ruined an otherwise superb game. I've been hoping for a long time that Amplitude would listen to the community and replace it for Humankind.

[@LPUMasterX]

Now someone needs to mod this combat system back into Endless Legend!

[@coldrage20t8]

This is the combat system in endless legend guys.

[@LPUMasterX]

@@coldrage20t8 LMAO. No, it isn't. You actually command the units turn by turn versus giving them stances and targets and letting combat play out. It's even stated in the video lol.

[@coldrage20t8]

@@LPUMasterX you mean how it worked in EL if you knew how to que up orders and just timed it for initiative

[@LPUMasterX]

@@coldrage20t8 LOL. If you say so, bro. I love Endless Legend but the combat system was dogshit. Everybody will tell you that. Your superiority complex won't change that. Sorry. But look at the bright side. AMPLITUDE is changing it! Now we just need someone to mod the new combat system back into Endless Legend lmao.

[@michaelwinters2574]

Amplitude still showing everyone how to make an UI that doesn’t look like busy garbage. Can’t wait for this

[@Allotmentandstuff]

This game looks incredible already can't wait to see what the Dev team send out as a finished product

[@james.8060]

obviously, the majority of people commenting about Civ 6 haven't heard about this company before and their other 4x games they make. This has way more in common with Endless Legend then it does with The Civ franchise. The only thing this shares with Civ, from what I've seen, is that its using history as its basis for the playable "factions", not Elves and Aliens

[@cfehunter]

Well it's *definitely* built off of Endless legend. Not that that's a bad thing. The similarities are everywhere, from the gameplay, to the UI, to the look and feel of the game world.

[@ztk211]

love this first look at the game, and i'm very excited to see where they take it! fingers crossed that i manage to get into the Open Dev myself!

[@EmperorFool]

I'd love to see you do an abridged let's play of Endless Legend where you point out the aspects you would change and compare it to Humankind and what they've addressed.

[@tracymaxwell11]

This does look like the type of game I would like. I play both Civ Endless games. And I often thought civ games could do with game mode that starts in a pre-historic era with mammoths and such

[@TheAndorianWarrior]

Hopefully not, i have played civ since the first one on DOS back in the day. That being said, i think Firaxis has got complacent with civ. Civ 4 was a great game, with the possible exception that battles were majorly OP in defending (it took me nearly 20 units to take a city with 2-3). Civ 5 was a step forward in changing the map layout, and esp dealing with the stack of death problem. The 1UPT system in my mind is the best introduction added to civ since its inception and in civ 5 good tactical knowledge meant you could take a city with 3-4 units. In civ 6 they destroyed that work again, while they kept the 1UPT system, you can clearly see that defending has again been boosted to ridiculous levels. Nothing makes this more apparent then the Loyalty system. It creates a few problems that are nearly impossible to get around, for example trying to conquer a player on a different continent is very hard now, even with governors and policies to help with loyalty its very hard to take and hold these cities. Also the loyalty system reduces your ability to setup a game how you want......for example, if you now play earth map, you cannot place Dutch, French and English in the game, because one of them will always fail loyalty and be out the game in 20ish turns. I find it absolutely incredible, that they didn't stop to think, duh we really should make sure capitals cannot be flipped. Also, in civ 5 units were made to be slightly more expensive compared to civ 4, in reaction to the 1UPT. In civ 6 they were increased to ridiculous cost. When you can build a wonder quicker then a settler, something is very, very wrong. Another main bug to bare in the game at present is the science, it moves way, waaaaayyyy too fast. An example is this, I've played over 4000 hours of civ 6, in that time I've built.....2 science districts. Only ever 2. Because the system for science is so badly done. You get science based on your population, so basically the bigger you are the better your be at science. Now you can always make a few small cities and pump then with science, that's true. But by having a large empire, with alot of population, your given many more options later in the game, such as going diplomatic or conquest. The whole science tree needs alot of looking at and really engaging in a different way. The boosts for example are simply too easy. Most are things your going to do anyway in the game, such as build a spearman, kill a unit, start a trade route.....your going to do these regardless of whether they boost tech or not.....these should have been for more specific and much harder to do boosts.....maybe trade could have been complete a 20 turn over seas trade route, or kill a ranged unit, melee unit and cav unit with the same spearman.... The best thing about humankind, is that it will hopefully give a kick up the ass of firaxis who will make a much better civ 7.

[@kish3958]

I'm glad another dev studio is tackling this genre of game. Maybe it will give Civ devs a right-needed kick up the ass to develop something good on release. I'll be looking out for this game as well, looks good so far! Thanks for sharing, Potato!

[@maelstrumyes3595]

I wouldn't think so Civ and Humankind play in a different way but it is a very hard competitor in 4x games

[@emillundqvist8126]

also a competitor in grand strategy

[@Jarlen01]

Something I have noticed about Humankind in relation to other 4X games, is it truly feels like a finished product that has reached its full potential, unlike many of the other 4X games that have come out in recent years. For example, many of the endless games feel unfinished, or at least not meeting its full potential. To be fair, Civ 6 is the same way, and Civ 5 did not feel finished until gods and kings, and brave new world. Humankind looks like it is going to be a rare item, in which it has become not only a piece of art, but a finished product on day one. At least I hope so. No other 4X since civ 5 and maybe some old fashioned board games have really scratched that itch. My one concern is the multiplayer aspect at the moment, but hopefully they can provide that as well.

[@josgretf2800]

civ 5 was still empty after Gods and Kings. Im shocked that it has positive reviews at all considering its just cut content from the base game resold

[@Jarlen01]

@@josgretf2800 True. But that was part of my point. Most of 4x games are not fleshed out at release, and Humankind almost has that fleshed out feel during beta. I think it is promising to say the least.

[@josgretf2800]

@@Jarlen01 Yeah. I think Humankind looks really good. Im hoping CK3 will also be fleshed out compared to CK2

[@kiritokaguya9180]

I really like the UI and the map desgin. Hope I can get into dev test.

[@GettinSadda]

Wow! I really want this game! - I wonder if the best way to deal with the goody-hexes is to have a tech that you can research that means that you get better stuff from discovering them. Perhaps have a couple of 'levels' of tech to get really good stuff. Maybe even link it to other techs, so if you have good money-making tech you get more money from the ones that give money; if you have good science techs you get better science rewards!

[@TheMarc477]

I’ll stick with Civ, used to play a lot of Catan as a kid so I prefer the board game style.

[@livehuman4092]

I’ve seen this in endless legends

[@Alphenis]

It really seems like Endless legend 2.

[@howardlam6181]

@@Alphenis because it's from the same dev.

[@GeneralTotoss]

@@Alphenis so a great thing

[@moistmaster8790]

I think it’s cool that Humankind combined civ 5 and civ 6’s graphics style

[@tlheart]

Early development, no other civs in this release. Just you exploring the very early game. A good visual, I like the terrain height differences, and that they are obvious. I still would like to see how they plan on implementing the era changes, which also changes your civilization.

[@SkeIIum]

Just looking at this, and I see the FIDS. This is the endless legends/endless space people? I like their games, but something about them always just throws me off to where I feel the Civ games do it better. I'd love to see you critique Endless Legend and do a detailed run through of Beyond Earth. Like it'd be nice to see someone who actually enjoys the gameplay of civ compare the various 4xs and what you like and what you dont. AoW Planetfall, Civ6, Endless legend, and Beyond Earth all have distinct neat things but none engage me like something like Crusader Kings 2 does.

[@Beastinvader]

I've felt the same. I really, really want to love EL ans ES2. But I just can't. I think what they lack is personality in the AI. Civ's AI always feel like real characters. In the Amplitude games it is as though no AI player is really concerned about foreign affairs.

[@dharmdevil]

@@Beastinvader True. it lacks immersion. CIV games have music for each civs and eras that reminds you from time to time of the progress you've made and people you've met. Gameplay-wise, this game is much better than civ 6 though and if they listen to their fans they might just change the game for the better.

[@Beastinvader]

@@dharmdevil I agree. I love Amplitude and their games have more depth. I just hope they will add that extra immersion, as you say.

[@The_Irate_Penguin]

I've played Civ from day one, including most all versions, add-ons, DLCs, spin-offs et al., and have seen many challengers to this turn-based game come and go. Humankind certainly seems to be a worthy contender, as it does address some issues I have with Civ, such as city placement, the lack of what in Humankind is apparently called an outpost, more advanced military tactics, the introduction of elevation beyond the simple hills of Civ, and quite a few others. It'll take a crowbar to make me part from Civ, but it can be done, just as Skylines replaced SimCity and Transport Fever licked my older turn-based railroad builders to the curb. PS: many thanks for this quasi walk-thru. It proved quite helpful.

[@Abegrizzly]

Wow I just subscribed a few days ago and I saw this before the notification

[@Emistotle]

Definitely gonna give Civ some competition, which is good. I think both will do great in the future, and that’s good news for the fans😂😂

[@GeneralXarzu]

I really hope the final game will allow for one-player games. Sometimes I get sick of encountering AI empires and just feel like building cities.

[@Alpha4Sierra]

You should post your idea on the games2gether forum. It is a good idea. Amplitude are known for implementing community ideas.

[@GeneralXarzu]

@@Alpha4Sierra Oh okay. I will do that, then. Thanks!

[@x000s2]

^

[@LaurArt_UK]

I love everything about this. It's such a big upgrade from civ in terms of the way outposts work, the different functions of districts/extensions, merging territory and not needing to build settler units.

[@Honyakusha]

i don't know if it's civ killer or not but it looks really good.

[@MetalShadow3142]

PotatoMcWhiskey You are an amazing source of light in a world filled with darkness, I am very grateful. Thank you for continuing to output content that makes your subscribers excited. I wish you the best and hope all is going well. :)

[@TheMarcHicks]

I have more than enough room, in my life, for more than one 4X game at a time 😉

[@unparalleledworld5162]

the terrain/maps are so detailed. You can acutally see the hills, moutians and different types of terrain unlike civ games. The UI is also so clean and easy to read. Let's hope the gameplay is also good because IMO they already have civ beat with the UI and the graphics.

[@jessicabythesea1331]

Yes! Finally! ❣️

[@thepretender3996]

Really enjoyed the bit of gameplay and all that sort of jazz. Hope you will make more videos when game will become avaliable.

[@KoldKay]

John Civ is going to be so sad you're getting your head turned by another 4X.

[@ka1ock]

You are the reason I still play Civ. I didn't really get the devs vision when it was relased.

[@jb_a_sentient_bot5149]

instead of being tall or wide, you can make a mega city and be both

[@rubbishopinions6468]

To think this isn't coming out until next year. It already looks really beautiful and really in depth.

[@guillermodvorak6541]

Is this from the same dev of the endless series? It looks extremely similar, happy to not buy any more civ games, if they don't release a half baked game, that you have to spent another £100 to actually get a working game

[@hohhoch3617]

Yes it's them.

[@OnslaughtOnibaka]

For the counter attack mechanic, if it's the same as Endless Legend, you get a counter attack by battler turn. So attacking the same unit multiple times is a good move.

[@Emanon...]

Played Civ since the first one on my amiga. For the first time I just couldnt continue with Civ VI. Absolutely hated it. Maybe this will scratch the itch instead.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Same. I got civ 6 and love the videos on this channel... But it has disappointed me greatly as a game. Went on to play EL and loved most of it, this seems like it'll be my thing. And I really do hope it puts the fear of jesus on the civ devs or kills civ alltogether, because as it's going I'm afraid they'll just keep being lazy until their eventual demise.

[@derekmenebroeker4993]

I REALLY love the artwork they are using in this game for units, technology, and buildings.

[@jad1714]

I thought they said no other civ was in the Scenario

[@jomiles3605]

I like the combat. very curious to see later/more modern phases of it. I also really like the way they've done the terrain with different levels, like you said it makes everything more strategic. Always felt like Civ was lacking there. The economy seems fairly straight forward, I don't like it as much as civ's. Looks good though, I'll likely give it a go when it releases. Hope Civ 7 takes notes

[@michaelsmith9604]

is it me or does the biodiversity seem a little too random. In a grid of 6 spaces there is desert/forests/mountains/grasslands. I would like to see some more realistic biodiversity.

[@Beastinvader]

That probably also comes from Endless Legend where you could have deserts and snowy areas really close. Hopefully they will allow us to choose large biomes. Heck, I want a game where the biomes themselves are realistically generated based on ocean currents and distances from equator.

[@TheStoneMasker]

@@Beastinvader there are some map script mods on the Civ VI steam workshop that have that aim. I don't remember the names right now but I've tried a couple and they're pretty cool.

[@Beastinvader]

@@TheStoneMasker Do you know of any for Civ5? But thanks! I played Civ6 before through family sharing. Something like that would be great to check out

[@TheStoneMasker]

@@Beastinvader no, sorry, I never got into modding CiV as I only played it for a short while before Civ VI came out.

[@logankevitt8401]

I like that there are quite a few units in the unit models, unlike Civ where it only has 1 guy in the scout unit and 3 warriors in a unit. I use a mod that fixes it, but it’s just nice to see in the base game

[@def8332]

The illustration in this game looks like it's from an issue of Jehova's Witness "Watchtower" magazine.

[@sushii4you]

Great gameplay video! I watched the whole video and my only suggestion is to increase the game BGM and SFX. AMPLITUDE has AMAZING music and sound design

[@aaronlee6279]

No one: Literally no one: Me wondering if I could yeet units into volcanoes

[@Seedmember]

It looks like Endless Legend (for which I'm totally salty Sisters of Mercy didn't become a major civ >:( ) with some additions from Age of Wonders: Planetfall. It looks very promising.

[@davidbodor1762]

This is basically Civ but grown up. It's a mature, more adult version of everything Civ is.

[@xxCrimsonSpiritxx]

Civ 6 looks like a strategy fortnite

[@MrBanChinga]

@@xxCrimsonSpiritxx I have never been able to sum this up as beautifully as you just did

[@Nikioko]

Civilization is based on the Civilization board game and Humankind seems to be based on the History of the World board game. So the games' mechanisms are a bit different. And the pinnacle of the Civilization series was part 4, parts 5 and 6 were downsteps.

[@filipprochazka4961]

The real question is, how do I play as Vaulters in this game...

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

If the rumors of the endless actually being the original humans in the endless universe are true, this game's scientific victory might be the invention of dust, which means there's no vaulters. I'm sure they'll find a way to create a fucking one way time portal to the stone age just to pop up anyway.

[@12Monkeysable]

I like the grafics and the styl of this game a lot! The Zoom and the smooth way it is made. I will love to watch this world, while i play it! Hopefully the mechanics are great and it will not be boring in the last turns like Civ 6.

[@malataur]

Seems cool so far. Wouldn't mind more games in this category. The Civilization devs have let a lot of their political biases into their game and it is very off-putting to gamers that don't hold the same views.

[@LINKedup101]

What political biases do you mean?

[@kayvee256]

@@LINKedup101 People who think global warming isn't real find civ a bit distressing these days.

[@olbluelips]

@@kayvee256 Yeah the "keep politics out of games" crowd is a little silly imo

[@malataur]

@@LINKedup101 It's too pervasive to even try to list everything, but you can start by looking at the World Leaders Score 0 entry.

[@kyrionbookshield2205]

+13 on production. U sold the game to me. I love this game now even more.

[@Xepent]

UI: Very pretty, the opacity of side menus lends itself to a clean experience that has more depth due to the scrolling map as you move around. Unit frames also seem technologically correct. THE MAP: Really pretty! I'm impressed. Perspective is nice, and the consistency is good across it all. Player information: as far as economy, which is a major factor in 4x/strategy overall it seems concise. I'm always a fan of more advanced and detailed submenus but for surface level it lends itself to a clean UI (see above).

[@arandomperson3015]

I hope whoever sees this has a amazing day

[@arandomperson3015]

No Body :(

[@komagene]

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[@arandomperson3015]

ozgur demirhan a will also work

[@herrmajestat]

It’s good that Civ is getting competition. Am definately gonna get Humankind and snort it, but I will still play the Civ games and hope the franchise will survive and be able to co-exist with this game and beyond.

[@Secretlyalittleworm]

this is the art direction i wish civ went in after civ v

[@coolbanana165]

Personally I think having many low yield 'tribal huts' is better, as it keeps pushing you to explore further because you'll find the next one soon. Whereas in Civ you might barely find any, especially after the first dozen turns.

[@ThePoeSalesman514]

I think chopping is going to be done mostly by a player looking to bootstrap an army for a timing push or to recoup some of the production cost on a military unit by chopping forests you don’t see yourself exploiting any time soon.

[@aneru9396]

I was surprised by just how much can be done on this map in 29 turns. Like, expanding is extremely powerful in this game, maybe even more than money... maybe Best thing so far about Humankind is the Merging of Regions/territories, as I can see that helping alleviate the micromanaging nightmare that happens near the end of 4X games where the entire map is filled with 30 or so cities that each require management. Merging two cities into one to create a super city alleviates that problem.

[@dala555]

The new Civ 7 looks great!