is it better to buy a Euro 5 or Euro 6 van?

[@darrenquarterman2611]

It’s a good point was worried about updating my vans but we so rarely go in the centre thanks for your help

[@iansheppard3448]

Great video as always Pete. I drive a 66 plate Mercedes Citan which is euro 5, but because of it's age it still complies with the London ULEZ and all the other clean air zones. So I charge the fee as I say I'm in a Euro 5 and just take it for now as a lucky bonus You can you an online tool to check your Reg Number to see if it complies.

[@stuartprice5166]

I crunched the numbers and, given my usage (courier work is a side job to my main trade especially since the pandemic), decided not to bother changing to a Euro 6, at this time. I'm running a half decent 2012 xlwb Sprinter with just over 100,000 miles on. There's a premium on anything Euro 6 and anything that was afordable had done 200k+. I estimated that even if I entered the zone frequently I would only be spending an extra £2-3k a year, most of which would be recouped from the customers. My hope is as time goes on and more big companies move on to electric vehicles the premium on ULEZ compliant vans will deminish and I'll upgrade when my current van starts to cost me more in repairs.

[@samclarke8]

Also don't forget that extra charge of filling up the ad blue when it needs filling up

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

Number plates a tenner a set on ebay. Elastic bands a few 100 for a quid or black tape.

[@godzillas6301]

How very dare you ................. will you not consider the flip up number plate industry in this ? :-) dont you dare take a walk around your local piggy compound and take a sprinter reg or 2 . That tenner for a set of plates made up on ebay is wrong ... very wrong , dont do it etc etc

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

@@godzillas6301 I know. I was brought up on old Stallone films and that film lock up inspired me to make number plates. So when I landed in prison the first time. I couldn't believe there was no such thing as making number plates in prison. So I had to try again when I got out and again and again. I been inside a few establishments in UK and not one of them made number plates. What I found weird when I started living the legal ish life. Bearing in mind most of my criminal past was driving without a licence. But I found out you don't need a license to buy a car or van. But you need a driving license and a log book to buy a number plate

[@LongFinger021]

There are some good deals for euro 5 vans now as owners and companies are selling. I got a decent sprinter luton for £5k .. ill pay the £8 a day clean air zone price and add it onto the quote. Pete is right in this vid. Unless you got a contract inside the zones, don't bother with euro 6

[@darrenquarterman2611]

Bristol as well

[@jrsuk1170]

One big considering is there's only going to be more and more zones popping up. As far as vans are concerned I think they changed from euro 5 to euro 6 and a 16 plate. I'm no moneybags but my next will be newer than a 16 plate so it's euro 6 for me.

[@stevesdcservices4071]

I run a euro 6 for what it’s worth . The rates are that poor at the moment I’m going back to horse & cart . One of my regular runs £200 job, shipper calls me up and says I can now get it covered for £130 can you match it lol - erm No

[@101truckltd2]

Funny you mentioned that.... I saw a lad last weekend in Stockport driving a horse and cart collecting scrap metal. I'm not joking. Got me to thinking how much a horse costs compared to a van!

[@stevesdcservices4071]

@@101truckltd2 carrots are cheap & no ulez - winner

[@aidenbentley4362]

CX today £250 Manchester to to London 2 drops including congestion and ULEZ takes the piss

[@theurbantrucker]

Hi Pete, there's definitely an argument for buying euro 6 when it comes to trucks, if you where to go into London say more than 3 times a week that's an extra £300 for a euro 5 truck over a euro 6, and over the course of an average month it could be an extra £1200, this cost would easily finance the cost of buying a newer euro 6 truck, this also works if your going into the other CAZ zones regularly round the country, it won't be long before your regularly forking out £200 per week for these zones in a truck, the cost of the low emission zones will start out way the cost of investing in newer trucks sadly. Having said that when it comes to van's it's a different story because of the crazy difference in the cost of the charging in the low emission zones, just look at London for instance, my euro 5 truck is a £100 per day and my old euro 4 curtainsider van is only £12.50 per day, it's down to the numbers at the end of the day mate.....

[@BKarol]

Differnce between euro 5 and 6 is a lot less then 10k now. If you're buying a euro 5 thats at least 7 years old and 150-200k miles, so expect to spend money keeping it on the road as everything will need replacing soon. Our fleet is half euro 5 and half euro 6, we'll be replacing euro 5 this year with euro 6 not because we drive in low emisson zone but because that's all you can get now (new or coupe years old)

[@paddymcgirr5139]

Also take in to count resale value, because a euro 5 and a euro 6 with the same mileage the euro 6 will always be worth more and more desirable, plus I just bloody brought a merc sprinter luton,which I've had converted to a single curtainsider, with a night heater😊total investment 21k so far......

[@LongFinger021]

How old is the sprinter. Best workhorse on the road ive got 2

[@paddymcgirr5139]

66 plate

[@LongFinger021]

@@paddymcgirr5139 nice 👌 hope it makes you laodsa money

[@paddymcgirr5139]

@@LongFinger021 I'm literally just starting out on my own,fingers crossed I can make it work,gonna tramp to cut dead miles so may have a fighting chance🤞

[@LongFinger021]

@@paddymcgirr5139 you've got some good fellas on this channel that will give you good advice. My pal makes good money on cx tramping and waiting. I've got young kids so that lifestyle isn't for me. Stay away from dead areas. NW to london or south is a good run and lots of jobs back and forth

[@adnydrum]

Contract-hire may be better than leasing as it is 100% deductible and off the balance sheet. Either way; financing a vehicle you won’t end up owning means you are paying the leasing company’s depreciation AND interest on top. Tread carefully.

[@bye-72]

ULEZ will be the whole of Greater London soon. Khan needs the money 🤣

[@1thehandyvan]

Personally I would go for Euro 6 because I would charge the customer the zone fee and keep it for myself. And with time more places will have zones where you have to pay and also when you decide to sell your Euro six vehicle it would be worth more than a Euro 5 and more desirable

[@godzillas6301]

Cant do it Adding on 60 quid a time means you simply wont get the job ...... this is beyond a balance between the ability to get work and affording to run .............. not easy to suss

[@C2112-s7y]

The charges will not stop at euro 5, 6 or 7 etc!!!! It's only a matter of time that all internal combustion vehicles will be charged!

[@shaungilmartin1505]

The more expensive the van the more the debt leverage the higher the forcing into working for any rate you can get

[@julianrowe9973]

You don't have to be in debt to run decent gear nor run at cheap rates

[@WhiteManInAVan]

A couple issues with what you're saying. Euro 6 vans aren't double the price of Euro 5 vans. I paid £11k for my 2nd hand Euro6 MWB van and i paid £8k for my Euro5 Small Van. Also the new zones don't send a letter and new ones don't have an auto pay option. If you don't pay on the day the only letter you get is the PCN. Zones are unmarked or poorly marked and therefore you don't even know if you've gone it or not. Also road tax on higher emission vehicles ie, Euro5 will only be go up. If you aren't super organised, once you get a few fines for the various zones PCNs you've easily spent more then having a Euro6 and taking the extra stress out of the driving.

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

Not quite true there Patel

[@WhiteManInAVan]

@@TruckinAboutWithSteve thats a pretty worthless reply Campbell. Whats not quite true?

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

@@WhiteManInAVan better a worthless reply than having a worthless existence! There is plenty signage if you pay attention when you are driving instead of playing with your phone. Carpets are exempt

[@WhiteManInAVan]

@@TruckinAboutWithSteve well i guess you're right. After all you are the expert on worthless existences 👍🏽

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

@@WhiteManInAVan keep your hands clean and leave them kids alone pet

[@chrissalter4267]

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[@ivansimister3911]

I believe the Manchester Clean Air Zone will cover the whole of Greater Manchester, so as I see it I will incur £10 charge every day I drive the van.

[@godzillas6301]

It is unknown the cost at the minute but 10 quid is fair . B/ham is 8 ... london is more

[@mrbruce7401]

Here,s a question that we finding confusing at our place Pete & I am sure 1 of the bunch will no London charge zone for me to go in my truck with being 2011 plate is £100 then another driver had to go in his truck a 55plate price £12.50 crazy £87.50 cheaper we say oap discount lol

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

The 55 plate was showing a reg plate from a Ford Transit lol

[@mrbruce7401]

@@TruckinAboutWithSteve Lol would not put it past them but the lad who sorts runs out was that shocked by it he showed all drivers I was very pleased about it because my thoughts were Yes will no long be the London express cheaper to send him & 2 drivers are from London he is one of them ,,but seems like his bright blue eyes brown stripe nose lol keep him London free again & the little lad from the toon is still the London express

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

@@mrbruce7401 hang on? From the toon you say? It wasn't a DAF was it and the driver called Steve?? Lol

[@TruckinAboutWithSteve]

Put double ? As I know it's a pet peve of Pete lol

[@mrbruce7401]

@@TruckinAboutWithSteve No Sorry Steve not a Daf or called Steve it is a Merc We do have 2 Daf7.5t but 1is even Euro 6 which they bought for London told them they need new driver to go with it because not a chance of me doing anything more than a day run in it they are to much hassle & small cabs for being away most of the week & they did not go & look at it before buying it the box on back is small lol

[@nigelrainbird3764]

Hang on,I have a euro 6 van,70 plate and I work London a lot,dont think for one minute I'm paying for any charges,they're all past on to the customer,the shippers know this too ,congestion charge and the Dartford crossing all go on the price.🎺🍺,there's no need for anyone to incur charges.

[@c11yan]

Even if the charges are passed on - it is revenue which the euro 5 driver could have had as income if they’d bought a euro 6. I have a customer in Nw10 with goods going to Birmingham caz zone - there is only so much which can be passed on. Either shippers buy more euro 6 vans so less work goes onto Cx or customers buy euro 6 vans etc / higher prices reduce volume of jobs regardless on Cx.

[@spanners1985]

I’d be very worried about a van that only cost 5 or 6 Euros tbh.

[@jeremyhawkecouriers8831]

Im going to turn this on its head a bit Many of you are running at impossibly low rates £1 a mile for a LWB was what we were charging in 1992 !!!!!!!!!!. I would suggest a much older van with lower miles and in good condition for a low as you can find ie 10 or 11 plate and budget for £300 a month for maintance

[@godzillas6301]

I dont see it this way . Its too simplistic to seek to add on the cost to a customer or seek to take it on the chin . There is the every day quotes to consider or to seek to add it on or run at a loss on certain jobs .... neither will go down with the customer and will certainly NOT make you competative in the work place unless you are happy to run at cost ................... ouch . Distance jobs absorb the cost easier than local jobs but thats not helpfull over all given distance doesnt pay as well . We could be faced with higher competition for the jobs not within zones but this has a finite time frame . As everywhere with a ring road falls to this bullshit the world will change and the courier with the euro 6 becomes `the price` . Those who seek to cover the fines .......... they are not charges only fines ................ price themseleves out of the market leaving those with euro 5 unable to get work due to the excessive cost . That 40 quid for across town now become 50 and the shippers wont pay it as the euro 6 under cut . However the euro 6 under cut euro 5 but with an excess of costs . That 15+ grand van didnt buy itself and there the attempt to recoupe the excessive outlay with higher quotes ........ that wont work as most will stick with an amount of the quid a mile regardless of what the 15 plate van cost . SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT ............... There isnt a cheap euro 6 to be had , that leaves the courier industry in a right mess . But this will be getting worse and worse until people are faced with either euro 6 or nothing . Greater machester is just too big an area to ignore ....... every ring road brings an ability to charge to suckers . B/ham will at some point fall to the M42/m5/m6 in totality . That prick in london has already created this ability and its a matter of time before the m25 is a the zone and complete countys are considered .