Is It Possible to Beat Kirby and the Forgotten Land's Forgo Dreams Without Jumping?

We just saw if you can beat Kirby and the Forgotten Land without jumping, but now it's time to bring that challenge to the post game as we repair Leongar's soul in the isolated isles: Forgo Dreams.
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[@eeveestar6826]

Lol, you could turn this into a third challenge like you did with the Cat Shines in Bowser's Fury. What's the least amount of jumps required to collect all Leon Souls?

[@Walweegie4998]

That’s an amazing idea

[@ThatCaroleanMaus]

Same with the Waddle dees

[@teamawesomeness7137]

how many jumps does it take to collect all energy spheres in kirby's return to dreamland?

[@keeganapsey9238]

Considering Morpho Knight Sword can in fact expedite this process, you can probably get the number down pretty low.

[@keeganapsey9238]

My current number is 9 jumps (this is assuming you go through Forgo Horns with all soul pieces the first try through), with 2 jumps in Forgo Park (getting the light bulb up the retracting steps), 5 jumps off the boat in Forgo Horns (three for over Gordo Bars, once for the falling platforms, and once to disembark the boat at the end), and two in Forgo Zone (getting the Ring Mouth up the collapsing steps to the hole, though I think you might be able to cheese that one with the Mouthful Mode glitch by calling it near the hole). It's great that you can do this without having any jumps related to things apart from Mouthful Mode (Morpho Knight Sword helps a lot).

[@munchrai6396]

5:41 I'm a little disappointed that you didn't show more of this boating section because trying to navigate it without jumping requires very specific use of damage boosting with the boats hitbox being surprisingly finicky and tends to bounce off the Gordo Bars rather than going through them

[@sinteleon]

Damage boosting, aka just ramming through it. it isn't really rocket science. :V

[@D_YellowMadness]

@@sinteleon It seems like you stopped reading the comment partway through.

[@littleender3843]

Wonder what a "kirby and the forgotten land 100% minimum jumps" would look like

[@danyogurt1667]

pain

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

pain.

[@walkietalkie9211]

pain..

[@sinteleon]

Treasure Island courses is going to eat up so many jumps. :P

[@littleender3843]

@@sinteleon you have ruined the pain streak

[@celestialTangle]

Are you SURE Needle doesn't help with that ladder? Aerial Needle gives a surprising amount of forward momentum.

[@ShyplayX]

I think the problem here is that after getting to the other ladder, Needle then has no ability to traverse the rest of the level. Getting to the other ladder doesn’t really help if it can’t progress any farther then that, and there aren’t any other useful abilities to swap it with before it gets stuck again.

[@eeveestar6826]

'Don't fight Forgo Dedede with Ice' You're only saying that because you didn't upgrade it into Blizzard Ice aka the only Copy Ability other than Gigant Sword that can make you completely immune to damage when you press the guard button.

[@celestialTangle]

Nope normal ice does that too

[@allingbrodniak8819]

Apparently he doesn't know the true power of Ice because it is OP (not as much as the main four OP abilities but still very OP)

[@PROPLAYEN]

Does this mean you could technically beat certain bosses with only guarding?

[@sansudrskh2401]

@@PROPLAYEN yea

[@brandonmarcum7315]

Ya nobody cares

[@RGC_animation]

I can't imagine how long it took to edit all of the soul fragment footage together. Must have taken an eternity!

[@blucatgamerz]

Prob

[@RGC_animation]

It's always, always the boat.

[@typhondst3363]

I was wondering if this level would warrant use of the new Hammer super jump glitch that's been found, but I suppose not! Then again, the glitch would cost 2-3 jumps to use, depending on how the semantics worked out, so there'd have to be a REALLY bad section in there to warrant use

[@celestialTangle]

If you can get height then yeah it's either one Hover or Two depending on how you want to count it

[@natepion8449]

@@celestialTangle no way more you literally have to press the jump button until Kirby gets tired and starts to fall

[@ultlifeform]

5:47 Ice is a really strong ability for boss fights. The damage dealt by fully freezing stuff is extremely high, and the block animation is completely invincible to everything except standing in lava. When it came to doing the optional Waddle Dee rescues on boss fights, Ice was always my pick for the "no damage" missions. Very easy on all boss fights, though a bit slow on particularly aggressive and/or mobile bosses.

[@syrusgrove8682]

I feel like the Ultimate cup Z would actually be a pretty interesting mini challenge for no jump.

[@sinteleon]

Not really. Almost every attack can be dodged out of, so there's really only 1 single attack you need to watch for; very feasible to just tank that attack if sword can't get the necessary height. (also not sure if morpho knight's special dodge could just outright dodge through regardless)

[@iaboth4727]

Just did it, not too interesting, the hammer just kills most of them before they can do anything, the only things I thought would be difficult were the big swing from final boss and it’s phase 2 but turns out you dodge past the swing and the hammer swing reaches phase two with no problem (I will say it did take me two tries for the final boss)

[@sinteleon]

@@iaboth4727 The only issue is the meteor dash in phase 2 which you've to rising slash-climb the rocks, then do an additional well-timed rising slash with sword to actually avoid damage, but yeah, it's still perfectly possible to just tank those hits and quickly finish off the boss before it can do that move again.

[@iaboth4727]

@@sinteleon you can actually just skip that phase if you kill it fast enough lol

[@sinteleon]

@@iaboth4727 Isn't the first instance triggered by health, unless you manage to skip the health trigger outright?

[@Meisbobs2cool]

*You can beat Forgo Horns without jumping OR exiting the boat* Grabbing the piece of Leon's Soul at the end gives you a checkpoint, and upon dying with this checkpoint you respawn right in the room, on *LAND.* Even with a second player triggering the fire enemy, they cannot hit you, *BUT* if you time and space a boost perfectly and then hold down, you can get hit by the spike bar before the end of the section to die and respawn at the new checkpoint. (I recommend getting your health low prior to reduce the amount of times you need to get hit) This does *NOT* save the three pieces of Leon's Soul after respawning (not certain on this since my save file is 100% though I'm fairly confident) but it DOES skip exiting the boat altogether. I only see one other person in this comment section suggesting this, but I can confirm it works, though it's more precise than I expected since the boat loves to bounce off the spikes.

[@nikokuma1087]

2:51 i'ts normal that said part was new to you, since the last part of each level is a whole new part instead of a remix from a previous level

[@firelord_6442]

I feel like boat jumps are jumps but are in the same grey area as freind circle and train jumps as well as that super suck from return to Dreamland

[@JimmyAntavius]

The hyper nova is from triple deluxe

[@firelord_6442]

@@JimmyAntavius thank you I forgot

[@HCN-002OldChannel]

I don’t think that “jumping” out of a boat should count. You classified a jump as the move jump/hover, but when you jump out of a boat, it says “toward land.” Technically not a jump.

[@DrRank]

The exact argument that Sample jokingly made in his No Jump video

[@nelsonreyes-alvarez605]

Guys if he thinks it’s a jump…. ITS A JUMP.

[@Quintingent]

Those are instructions, not a name. Note the lack of a colon

[@teamawesomeness7137]

@@Quintingent when was there a colon in any move name?

[@catalyst539]

@@Quintingent There were no colons in the first place. It’s a name.

[@sagacious03]

Great analysis & run video! Thanks for uploading!

[@csekat]

I was wanting this as soon as you made the first one

[@barrowjp]

the first time i heard about the game it sounded really cool

[@lordhelix1705]

That ladder spot is actually possible with sword, you just need to aim your spin slash towards the wall. Speed boost might also be necessary

[@Infindox]

I don't even count the boat dismount as a jump. The game doesn't call it that, and someone else who did this challenge for the main game doesn't count it either, so i'd say the challenge for the post game is a "yes".

[@DiegoG2004]

Boats. The one enemy of this jumpless run

[@CrazyYanmega]

Nice work!

[@gem2121]

wow... that was fast going to enjoy the video now

[@jajathenewking6131]

To me ice and bomb are the best for me in bosses, I wound why ice isn't recommended for Phantom dedede when it worked well for me in the regular king dedede fight. 🤔

[@CMeeCraftGaming]

I don't know, for me it just did so little damage. Granted I hadn't upgraded it at all so maybe that was why.

[@jajathenewking6131]

@@CMeeCraftGaming it's a patient game with ice and you have to know the bosses patterns to make your shield very affective.

[@mastermewtwo5503]

The phantom battles are generally harder to do; enemies have different attacks, and are often faster than the regular battles. It'll probably be harder to get Ice's freeze effect against those battles.

[@sinteleon]

All phantom bosses are easy once you master the dodge timings. Ice is only good if you can't dodge to save your life.

[@jajathenewking6131]

@@sinteleon they sure are now I'm able to fight everything with homing bomb but for ice you need good reaction time to block and learn distance use the power to its max limit.

[@EnGyuszi]

I would absolutly love to see a Star Allies Drak Meta Knight no jump challenge

[@bowserboss2001]

Me too, I recommended it before

[@Muchinger]

@@bowserboss2001 same here

[@zacarnold2970]

Who the heck is Drak Meta Knight? I know Dark Meta Knight but who is Drak Meta Knight

[@Muchinger]

@@zacarnold2970 take my like already, you deserved it

[@bowserboss2001]

@@zacarnold2970 I think they just mistyped it

[@adamdinar376]

I attempted this myself and although I probably missed a couple of souls pieces myself there are definitely some that you missed I finished with a bit over 270 pieces. Also 7:17 you made this way more complicated than it needed to be. Sword can actually get past the ladder, you just mid air attack at the right time and you’ll grab the ladder, got it after a couple tries. 9:36 there is a different solution that to use fire. There is a spot with a fire enemy and needle enemy near each other, if you knock the fire enemy a bit you can inhale both at the same time and initiate a copy ability mix, I got sword on my first attempt of that and it made the following section much easier.

[@craftingtales2790]

For the part that Sword can’t clear, do the “recipe for throwing yourself off the cliff” thing, but DON’T do areal slashes. See if that works.

[@alyssiab1305]

Nice job dude

[@Bokokirby]

next do "how many waddle dees can you get without jumping"

[@proshot10]

I played after watching this and the part with the two ladders can be done with needle

[@JJSSBU]

5:43 The info card on the right corner says "Towards land" not "Jump" or "Hover" so the boats arent jumps ;)

[@sinteleon]

Yes.... too bad it's not the jump button that triggers the dismount, it's the movement AFTER jump that triggers the dismount. You can jump all day and never trigger the Towards land to complete as long as you never press movment buttons, you can press movement after letting go of the jump button (and you're still in the air) and have it complete.

[@creeperking8702]

He does realize that nowhere in the game does it say that you’re jumping when you dismount the boat Meaning that you’re not technically jumping and it doesn’t count

[@zombiegordonf9320]

Big brain moment

[@sinteleon]

Nowhere in the game calls 90% of the jumps you do jumps. Also, dismount isn't even triggered by jumping, it's triggered by moving after jumping. You basically cannot trigger dismount without jumping, period.

[@honord.1811]

Let’s finish this. ONCE AND FOR ALL.

[@WaluigiGoesWa]

How does Kirby even jump normally? I mean he doesn't have any legs

[@WaluigiGoesWa]

@@gregoryford2532 alternatively it could just be him bending his toes really fast

[@flerpybird9175]

Hey, you should go back and do the Dedede Tour of Triple Deluxe. Maybe the game will redeem itself, like with Meta Knightmare Returns in Robobot.

[@Chazder87]

im surprised CMee hasnt done Minecraft jumpless

[@Samix.7]

Gg cmecraft good video

[@afilthy6digit839]

I still don't count getting off the boat as a jump my dude so overall this was very successful

[@ThEthereal739]

5:48 I fell your pain.

[@iamsiley]

i wouldn't count the exit from a boat as jumping, because, 1. You are forced to do it to progress and you can't even try to go against it 2. The game calls it "Onto land"

[@Juice1p]

Hi Cmeecraft gaming I was wondering if you could try a game called snake pass (It's on nintendo switch, PlayStation, xbox, pc) can't wait for your next vid

[@aria_daize9926]

I'd argue that, since it's mote if the only way to get off the boat. You "jumping" there doesn't necessarily count. Otherwise the game is soft locked in a sense

[@Leonardo-mg9le]

What if u die in the boat to dont jump, its not a no deaths challenge

[@spidey5108]

Nice. I wonder if you'll ever return to give HiAD some love.

[@Acceos]

10:30 can you activate Co op there, so Bandana Dee could go to the star?

[@adamdinar376]

No

[@slowbrofriend6526]

Kirby jump recap and this counts ALL jumps. A Jump is a jump. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZbWi3p3nL9mhpY The playlist for videos m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2OXiaWPoqideqM Kirby’s epic yarn no jump (collab with other KZbinr) Main Games: Kirby’s dreamland: tbd/NO (not done but no copy abilities so auto loss) Kirby’s adventure/Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land: tbd Meta Knightmare: tbd Kirby’s dreamland 2: tbd Kirby super star / Kirby super star ultra / Kirby’s fun pak: tbd Meta Knightmare Ultra: tbd Kirby’s dreamland 3: tbd Kirby 64: the crystal shards: tbd Kirby and the amazing mirror: NO (12 jumps) Kirby: squeak squad/Kirby mouse attack: tbd Kirby’s Return to Dreamland: YES Kirby triple deluxe: NO (224 jumps) Kirby planet robobot: NO (117 jumps) Meta Knightmare Returns: YES Kirby Star allies: NO (2 normal and 35 friend circle/train jumps) Kirby and the Forgotten Land: NO (6 Jumps) + Forgo Postgame: MEH (0 Jumps and 1 Kinda jump) Spin offs: Kirby’s epic yarn / kirby’s extra epic yarn: NO (22 jumps) Kirby fighters 2: YES Guest star Allies: (normal guys) Blade knight tbd Sir kibble tbd Poppy bros jr tbd Rocky tbd Bonkers tbd Bio spark tbd Wester tbd Gim tbd Jammerjab tbd Burning Leo tbd Chilly tbd Waddle doo tbd Plug tbd Driblee tbd Nesp tbd Birdon tbd Knuckle joe MEH ( 52 friend circle/train jumps) Buggzy tbd Beetley tbd Como tbd Parasol waddle dee tbd Vividria tbd Chef Kawasaki tbd Guest star allies: (special guys) King dedede MEH (41 friend circle/train jumps) Meta knight MEH (52 friend circle/train jumps) Bandana waddle dee MEH (41 friend circle/train jumps) Rick & kine & koo tbd Marx MEH (33 friend circle/train jumps) Gooey tbd Adeline and ribbon MEH (33 friend circle/train jumps) Dark meta knight tbd Daroach tbd Maglor MEH (30 friend circle/train jumps) Taranza tbd Susie MEH (19 friend circle jumps) The three mage sisters tbd Total: All jumps losses 14/16 challenges Normal jumps losses 5/16 challenges All jumps wins 2/16 challenges Normal jumps wins 11/16challenges

[@InfinityPlaysReal]

Jusr beat forgo dreams and was wondering just that

[@CaptnStarFry]

So when is heroes in another dimension’s turn?

[@Schrodingers_douchebag]

Yo maybe you could do like a cheat(?) Run where you use the evolutions of copy abilities?

[@teamawesomeness7137]

or a return to dreamland cheating run where you can cycle through abilites at will. and use the power of cheating to get every energy sphere jumpless

[@Quartzer.]

He's been using the evolved Copy Abilities

[@Schrodingers_douchebag]

@@Quartzer. no I mean using evolved copy abilities before you can normally get them.

[@Quartzer.]

@@Schrodingers_douchebag wasn't there only a few jumps required most if not all of which were from Mouthful Mode or the end of the game when you would have the evolved copy abilities

[@Schrodingers_douchebag]

@@Quartzer. I guess so. But I think certain jumps earlier in the game can be skipped by using those evolved copy abilities. But I haven’t played the game in a while so idk

[@AshtheGoldenDeer]

:D cool!

[@Paradoxe_0]

5:41 the game calls it toward land So it’s not a Jump,it’s a toward land.

[@jameskelly-smith1279]

Allies in another dimension min jumps? Dreamland 3?

[@gadc8657]

I would think not because they are just remixed levels, with one needing jumping

[@venomgaming7014]

I mean, technically dismounting a boat is called “towards land” so I think it’s only half a jump, so it’s still not possible, but it requires half a jump (whatever that is) instead of 1 jump.

[@catalyst539]

Sample didn’t count it as a jump because it doesn’t say jump, so this dude is just being hard on himself :p

[@teamawesomeness7137]

an a press is an a press. you can't say it's only a half

[@acorn_acrom]

@@teamawesomeness7137 yes. an a press. not a jump.

[@teamawesomeness7137]

@@acorn_acrom I was making a reference. but if jumping requires an a press and there's no such thing as half an a press, there's no such thing as half a jump

[@venomgaming7014]

@@teamawesomeness7137 it depends on who you ask, you muppet.

[@kzkultra8948]

Did you jump here? 7:35

[@teamawesomeness7137]

no, that's part of an animation for an attack or something

[@alessiodimario4100]

How about trying to beat Super Kirby Clash without jumping?

[@geoffabbythomas7293]

Request heroes in another dimension without jumping (star allies)

[@MushKinPuff]

I don’t think the boat should count as a jump because it’s dumb that the game doesn’t let you spit it out. If it did the hop you get from would be enough to get onto land.

[@SkyeZache]

Is it possible to beat Kirby Star Allies without jumping as the 3 Mage Sisters?

[@scaredycat2806]

Can you do guest star three mage sisters

[@deluxxyfan7tristanwood961]

wait waddle dee can activate warp stars, could it be possible during the ring section for waddle dee to reach the star? thus auto shunting kirby out of the boat without a jump?

[@adamdinar376]

No, even if waddle dee could reach it he would just grab and it nothing will happen, Kirby needs to get to it for it to actually activate. And also waddle see gets taped to the boat when you use it and also can’t get off without jumping

[@hawkz2]

the boat doesn't Count as a jump as the game calls it "toward land"

[@Krishavoc14]

Do is it possible to beat guest star dark meta knight without jumping I think that would be interesting

[@gbbpainting243]

Here is an idea can you beat new super mario bros ds with only the mega mushroom

[@3possumsinatrenchcoat]

still of the opinion the ring dismount isn't a jump. it's not labeled as one and really doesn't look like it either but you're the one to decide. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@notmojar]

Will you do how many jumps to %100

[@CodyTheBlackChickenSubscribe]

Boat jumps don't count 4head

[@quentonfrancis2616]

Hey have you heard about Sample?

[@blizzardprince5740]

I don’t count dismounting as a jump. If you had to beat BOTW without jumping then climbing is impossible, which might make the game impossible.

[@catalyst539]

BotW no jump is impossible anyways, you need to jump to be able to deal the final blow to Pig Ganon

[@tricmagic]

I've got a question... Can you spit out the ring while you're in the boat? (Answer is nope..)

[@Ultralucarioninja]

I'm pretty sure the boats can be skipped by using ice to stake over the water

[@Cryptic_Diamond]

Most boat sections have walls or things you need to boost into to destroy and ice can’t do that

[@Owenbot3000]

Can you do kirby star allies jumpless but without bluster sword

[@teamawesomeness7137]

this time, instead of banning any use of the a button outside of menus, only ban bluster sword, the normal jump, and the normal hover. anything that isn't one of these 3 things is allowed. special jumps like ninja's wall jump and special hovers like beetle's hover wing are not counted as jumps since they have distinct names

[@Owenbot3000]

@@teamawesomeness7137 I would ban hovers and wall jumps because by world 4 with both bluster whip and bluster hammer can get through most levels without jumping, I am just not to sure about the last level of world 3

[@Owenbot3000]

@@teamawesomeness7137 update I believe you need 4 jumps by world 4

[@teamawesomeness7137]

@@Owenbot3000 what "world 4"? and no, you don't. unless you count friend circle jumps

[@Owenbot3000]

@@teamawesomeness7137 far flung starlight heros I just didn't wanna check the name

[@justinlopez7666]

Its not a jump using toward land because it dose not have the word jump/hover

[@raiden8929]

The answer is GUN

[@bambinazo123]

Also Boat jumps don't exist For some reason the game doesn't count it as one

[@BluShiGuy]

Poyoyoyo

[@reinorgaming2179]

jump 1 dosint count the game said towards land not jump

[@kssm]

that's not jumping that toward landing!

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

Sample doesn’t count dismounting the bot a jump so for him and me no

[@jacobmulholland5952]

Boat dismounts don't count

[@Postersworld]

World11

[@warriorofbepisland6104]

During the Ring/Boat segment in Forgo Horns, you said that you jumped off the boat, yet the prompt clearly said "Toward Land."

[@Matthew-ih4ei]

Wow 4 min ago

[@yaboytrluckylukas3791]

Going off a boat isnt jumping its called towards land and that move is allowed

[@folmhaigh039]

I don't qualify that jump, it doesn't really make much sense to, that's not what the control says

[@zoobaandplushfan4457]

It not name jump so it a jump

[@zoobaandplushfan4457]

Not a jump

[@ThatOneGuy-wr8rh]

forgor

[@sandros7k453]

First

[@pice1428]

wow no views

[@csekat]

For now…

[@kirbmaster9405]

Boat is not jump bc it’s surface and not jump