Is It Possible to Electrify a Porsche with Dual Tesla Motors?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

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[@selven08]

Hey I think the end of the link is missing

[@raph2354]

if someone is interested, the link in the description works

[@JerryRigEverything]

Your editing is getting really good!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Wow! Thanks!

[@adamhornak3529]

What do you mean? It has always been perfect!

[@lonewarrior6633]

Hey Jerry…..massive fan from the UK! Hope you’re doing well! All the best! From one dad to another

[@chargeheadsuk]

Love your channel, whats your opinion on the UK EV conversions? 🤔⚡️🇬🇧 #chargeheadsUK

[@kylereese4822]

@@ElectricSuperCar If fitting as Tesla intended you could use homemade portal axel ends fitted inboard to the motor outputs with there own frame that connects to the motor mount etc...

[@ohabbal8169]

One thing you could do for the rear motor is to separate the inverter from the actual motor and make an end cap and longer cabling and hoses to run between them. This should make the motor narrower such that it fits between the suspension mounting points. The inverter can then be mounted elsewhere where space is plenty.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the idea!

[@cornbreadreturns296]

I think this is the way to go, then you don't have to shave off any attachment points on the vehicle - just need to find space for the inverter somewhere else.

[@bmar1784]

I believe @richrebuilds did that in one of his videos. @agingwheels swapped the direction of the motor and had to change something with the oil pump

[@robj5780]

From what I have seen, if you flip the motor (running it in reverse), you might have issues with the internal oil pump. There are a few episodes from @ElectricClassicCars where they had to resolve that. Not sure if that is the same setup you are attempting but something to keep in mind. You are much braver than I am....

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Yep, if I run in reverse I will need to swap an oil pump as well

[@Bastian-Remi]

It will be very interesting to see how you come up with a solution of where to put the batteries given a lot of the real estate has been taken up with dual motors!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Next episode already out

[@RealRickCox]

I always love seeing how you approach problems. Even though sales/marketing is what paid the bills, you've got a an engineers mind. Good problem solving isn't something a lot of people are taught in schools. Can't wait to see how everything looks when you get both motors mounted.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@bradbrowatzke7236]

Came back to this video to verify my suspicions with your video regarding the switching of leads in the rear motor. It makes perfect sense, and I was sure this was the reason you had opted to do that. It is nice to have a chance to come back to this video and refresh thoughts. I loved that you did your due diligence and realized there is a breathing hole and drain on the rear motor, Jeremy. A simple detail, but important for the longevity of the motor, and so easily overlooked.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@eyeswizard]

I love the way you try to solve problems. Putting the motor backwards is brilliant

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@KingsleyPhoto]

Great work and the shopping list, 1. Wide angle lens, 2. Alcohol 3. Accel Pedal Plate. Love it

[@ElectricSuperCar]

LOL!

[@josephkelly4893]

Don’t forget lots of triangles on the back of those engine mounts for strength, the torque from those Tesla motors is huge

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Kurogane-san]

I like shorter videos of you trying to solve specific problems. And thet CADboard was 10/10

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@mayuravirus6134]

A reminder that Porsche is the one that pioneers hybrid tech way back in Lohner Porsche and Porsche Tiger

[@user-aRb00d3r]

CAD (cardboard-aided design) is always the best!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Totally!

[@PedroRafael]

engine assembly looks crazy hard!

[@dangleebols]

Another excellent video, well done.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@raymutch]

Hey one thing to check , are the gears case hardened on both face's ( front and rear of the gear) . If you are running backwards you might be running on the 'soft' face of the gear. I had this problem in an old truck i did some work on.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Luckily I am not the 1st to run it in reverse. Several EV conversions have been done like this without issue. Thanks for bringing up the point!

[@ArdilloEngineering]

I went thru the same pain in my build with he front motor, by rotating the front unit now you will have some oiling issues, but it have a simple solution that will required to open the differential cover. Also on the rear motor you can remove the inverter and remote locate it, there is a cover plate that will bolt to where the inverter goes if you decide to go that route. But reversing the motor is not a good idea the internal gears are helical and they are intended to run at full speed where is considered naturally forward, if you change the reverse to be the new forward, eventually you will damage the internal gearing. Of course it can run in reverse but not a t full speed neither for too long. I sent you an email with some pictures.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Got your email

[@g-mech1244]

What is your solution for oiling a rotated front motor?

[@tedforringer9124]

Just commenting to make the algorithm like you. Good luck moving forward!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Much appreciated!

[@allisonsnow6782]

your problem solving skills are crazy!!! 🤯 i love seeing what’s new with the car!!!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

More to come!

[@fladder1]

Awesome build, and cool problem solving. About those tabs on the rear suspension, I'm betting that by bolting the in-between stuff to it, Porsche stiffened the rear suspension, thus ensured better handling in the corners. I'm not sure it's wise to cut them off without replacing what was basically a cross brace

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Right you are. I will probably need to reinforce once I am done.

[@fladder1]

@@ElectricSuperCar can't wait to see how you'll solve that conundrum!

[@RAXITH_playz]

Suspension are ment to move like gimbal (not much but yes) now the suspensions are unloaded ( I mean car weight is not pushing the suspension) it might fit now after little metal shave but as you gonna put weight like battery and interior it’ll get heavy which may result in brushing other mechanical parts there need to be some sort of clearance for shaft.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@CurtisTarwater]

Ok I'm bookmarking this entire series. I want to do this on an old Porsche 912E. Just fascinating on the build 👏👏👏

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Right on!

[@J.P.__]

Some modifying needed but all seems to fit. That's good. I'm kinda worried for my build.

[@moltenn_]

Thanks for another great episode! Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the next one :D

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks, will do!

[@Mijo0x9]

Love this video. I have a sugestion, if you don't have a 3D printer. Get one. That way you could make parts for the car and jigs for drilling/mounting parts. (I got one and it has been amazing for projects)

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Great tip!

[@haplo6161]

Those tabs look like they are for a sway bar or strut bar. Those may be for stiffening you suspension. Keep up the great work.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@usa-earth]

Thanks for bringing us along for the "ride!"! Great video Jeremy!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Any time!

[@mrfixall]

It's so awesome that you are taking us all on this journey! And Zach is correct, your video, sound and editing are getting really good.thanks again for sharing!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks so much!!

[@jacksonsnow1743]

Love it! It’s so cool how you do all of this!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks!

[@frankiestomatoes]

dude you are really getting the hang of the editing! keep it going, really love this project!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks! Will do!

[@Fersman1972]

Love to see the process; it's a great video, as always. Thank you and hello from Costa Rica

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for watching!

[@Fersman1972]

Thank you,@@ElectricSuperCar, for making the content; keep it coming.

[@Cybernetic_Systems]

Check out the teslarossa build by Electric Classic Cars in the UK. They used a kit that allows the rear motor to be installed the “wrong way” around.

[@timgrinton6249]

Love watching your videos. Your ingenuity is amazing.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you very much!

[@ivankuljis1780]

Just discovered you tonight. _I N S P I R A T I O N A L stuff_ .

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Welcome aboard!

[@oceanpathway]

Big update bro Worst-case senerio... U can use the tesla rear subframe and bolt it into the main-frame like u did the the supercar project; which means u will have to use the tesla suspension setup So it may require some little extra CADboard work 😂😂💔 But it would be bolt in and less work

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@ch33s3man2]

Thanks for the upload! Love that you used lumber lol

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@toyo86]

Love the idea however I would try to get some sort of absorbing element between the fram rail and the mount allow some sort of flex also improve noise and vibration.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Definitely! Thanks for the comment!

[@frodemarkhus3692]

Interesting video. Thank you from Norway.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@mndlessdrwer]

If you can keep the weight even close to the original car's and keep the batteries relatively low in the car then I can certainly see this being an excellent sports car when you're done with it. The Cayman has always been a car with a lot of potential. I'm most looking forward to seeing if you're able to reuse the existing Porsche suspension, since that's a large part of why the Cayman is so excellent. If the weight does balloon past the stock weight too far then you may need to purchase some stiffer springs to compensate.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

You are correct

[@nicoxis]

I like the Winamp logo :D

[@Draconis8888]

Do I correctly spy an "On Air" sign? 🆒 It's neat to see your problem solving steps. Looking forward to seeing how you mount things to deal with vibration and torque issues.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@MondegoPress]

Awesome video and build progress, bud!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks!

[@EmperorofWeb]

Love your work, keep it up🙌

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you 🙌

[@lasersterling]

Looking good brother!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@raymondlucas1812]

Great work, love the show, great car to do it on.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks 👍

[@8scottyt]

I don't know if it is the case with Tesla motors, but most gears are made to be under high load in one direction. If you put high load in the opposite (reverse) direction than it was manufactured for, you could shred the gears. It happens in 4wds when people get stuck and gun it in reverse.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@MrFoxRobert]

Thank you!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

You're welcome!

[@Omri.Collects]

Another great video 👍🏼

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks again!

[@ericgrand5947]

Nice engineering job! Have you look to Electric Classic Car Ferrari Testarossa conversion? I believe they also faced this issue of flipping the motor. upside down.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I'll check it out!

[@zilverzero]

are you concerned about the different mounting angle? pitching it forward may cause the sump pickup to be above the fluid level

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I will likely crack open the front motor and see if any adjustments are needed to the oil pump or oil pickup location.

[@Mp57navy]

Hmmm. I just bought a Taycan and saved me the work involved.

[@tomwilliams8675]

Well done. It's getting there.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@nixter1nixter1]

You could use the entire Tesla motor and axle assembly, but it has weird tall shock towers, so it's probably best done the way you are doing it.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@Ray88G]

You can take the inverter completely of and relocate it where you want

[@TheRealMrCods]

Lot of work. Im sure you will work it out. 👍

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I hope so!

[@Hmdstory94]

Wow, this is amazing

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@Sup3rvisoR]

Great work

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Wow! Thanks for the support!

[@Ezdiess]

I see editing getting better. Keep it up man!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks, will do!

[@dbousq]

Great video!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks!

[@evilbikerider]

keeping the transmission in the back is just like Porsche having engine in back probably better for weight balance too closer to factory

[@Daniel_Blake]

Cardboard Aided Design. An engineers best technique.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

😎

[@mt01power79]

Attention! If you run the Tesla engine backwards, you have to change the oil pump. Parts are available in the aftermarket. Check out other KZbinrs

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Already ordered

[@mt01power79]

@@ElectricSuperCar Perfect…

[@josephjones4293]

The motor in front of the rear axle is better for performance / weight distribution… That subframe could easily be scanned and recreated out of 4130 giving you all the clearance in the world and not risking strength

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@cooluser23]

Not really, as the heavy part are batteries, not the motor. You want the batteries as close to the center of the car as possible.

[@szymonszym2082]

It was rear drive. How are you going to connect front drive shafts with hub? New hubs? Some from 4x4 Porsche?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

That is the initial plan, get some new hubs in the front

[@szymonszym2082]

Thank you for the answer. Keeping my fingers crossed for your project! @@ElectricSuperCar

[@Harvey-gg9nu]

You your eddying is dope

[@Poxenium]

Model S motors? THen the oil pump propeller thing in the gearbox will spin backwards ... might wanna check that out if it still lubricates...

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment. Yes, I will have to get a new oil pump.

[@MichaelFalcon-g3f]

there could be a problem with the oil pump, plus the coolant will have air gaps(plugs), and last but not least, it will be almost impossible to change the diff oil(every 30k miles) if you change the orientation of the motor(in the back)

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Tesla motors do not require changing gear oil...ever. not in any service maintenance schedule

[@MichaelFalcon-g3f]

@@ElectricSuperCar well, yeah, maybe I’m just overthinking thinking this, but as a technician- I couldn’t agree with that, plus, after numerous tests, I hear and feel the difference after the oil change. I’ve changed my fair share of gears in those drive units, and after 100k they really wear out….(of course it depends on how one drives the car)…thus….oil change wouldn’t harm….

[@MichaelFalcon-g3f]

@@ElectricSuperCar I’m not trying to convince you to do anything , in the end, I’m just a guy on the other side of the planet, and I’m just sharing my experience. This is your project, and you’ve done a lot of work. I’m simply advising, or in other words, voicing my thoughts how I would do it, and what concerns I have.

[@allanhunks5134]

Massive project 👌

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks!

[@gcagca3001]

Wow!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@MrMarkusmulder]

Thanks for the video and Stay safe ✌️.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@kirkellis4329]

The front drive units from the S/X are so much less expensive (~1K vs ~2.5K) than the Large Rear Drive Units or even the small rear drive units. Is there a reason you can't use two front drive units ? I seem to remember reading something about front drive units lacking some signal or bit of electronics that made them unusable without being paired with a rear drive unit (large or small), but can't find the reference anymore. The front drive units are narrower and might fit in your rear easier. Even the small rear drive unit is narrower that the large rear drive. Building an AWD Porsche, do you really need the extra power potential and cost of the LDU ?

[@jonathanheath294]

Harbor freight sales a descent cheap engine hoist and trans jack

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@suryavanshib]

No doubt ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻 You will definitely do it👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@kevinizatt]

Great progress. Wish I could do something like this.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@martinbeaumier7172]

Just use the tesla suspension and make a subframe if you can’t use the tesla subframe

[@TheNorthernmunky]

Awesome

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@the_hamrat]

Out of interest how are you going to get the Tesla systems to talk to the Porshe electronics? Or are you going to keep them separate?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I can't wait to show you! More to come!

[@sulfur32066]

Amazing 😮

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@kellymcteer5076]

Love it. What are you doing for front axels and hubs? Carrera 4?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Still researching. Maybe 911 hubs

[@Blackfyr]

Are the two motors identical? If not, would swapping ends for the motors make things easier?"

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Not identical. Front motor is 200hp and rear motor is 600hp. I'm not sure swapping is the way to go.

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

be sure to buy a reversed oil pump if youre running the motor in reverse

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Already ordered

[@mikejf4377]

Say harbor freight, engine hoist. You’re doing great. Will the pump still work correctly in that setup or are you going to need to replace it with one that runs backwards from zero In Britain?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Yep. Already ordered

[@fredmols8428]

Why don't you use cad for placement related tryouts? You should have 3D models of the car and tesla motors. I myself do the placement alignment in the cad for our 400V Electric 220kw 56kwh handmade aluminium body Porsche 356.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Great suggestion!

[@Yerevan301]

Is the FDU centered following the jackshaft or the case ? You could delete the jackshaft and use a driver side cv on the passenger side. I sent you some photos on the ev forum. If it might be helpful for your conversion.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks! I'll check it out.

[@rjung_ch]

Thanks! 👍💪✌

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Any time!

[@tamvantiadatara]

Amazing

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@cooluser23]

Make the car wider? Push the suspension out a bit?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Interesting 🤔

[@Scooterman8846]

What if you did a inverter relocation kit on the rear-drive unit? Would that help you get it into the spot?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Interesting 🤔

[@Skiridr22]

Mmm what if you extend the vent to a hose and move it to a higher point.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Interesting 🤔

[@kdreed96]

Love seeing the process. How many kwh’s worth of modules do you think you can squeeze in?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

44kWh

[@Itemmusthave]

I love thissssss

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@lonewarrior6633]

This is mint!!!

[@ElectricSuperCar]

👍

[@89five3five]

Why not remove the controller and relocate it? I’ve seen others do that to free up space.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Interesting 🤔

[@treverjones1799]

You think 44Kwh battery pack will be the max. U can squeeze in? Your best guess on capable range?

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I am thinking 170 mile range. I am actually wondering if I run only the front motor (200hp) if I could go further.

[@treverjones1799]

@@ElectricSuperCar perhaps the ability to turn off one of the motors, when trying to extend range.

[@garforce2]

while I am not a huge fan of electric cars I am enjoying seeing what you are doing and the capabilities they have

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks Friend!

[@g-mech1244]

Is there any possible issues with the rotated front motor, in terms of coolant flow, air locks etc. Cheers

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I guess we will find out

[@hshbean1]

What’s the difference between both the motor 😊 Can u show their specs

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Front motor = 200hp Rear motor = 600hp

[@hshbean1]

@@ElectricSuperCar what about their prices

[@ElectricSuperCar]

This video shows prices kzbin.info/www/bejne/np3TZYxmotiEapI

[@husseinmukhtar6434]

Pls how much does it cost for the Tesla front drive unit.

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I got mine from evpartsguy. Contact for current pricing Tesla parts - www.evpartsguy.com/ Ebay EV parts - www.ebay.com/str/evpartsguy Instagram - instagram.com/evpartsguy/

[@adjake1]

I was under the impression that the front motor cooling plate had to be pretty level for proper cooling

[@ElectricSuperCar]

I will likely Crack open the front motor and see if any adjustments are needed to the oil pump or oil pickup location.

[@g-mech1244]

Any updates on the front motor oiling issues?

[@kallefleck8717]

Nice 💪🏻💯

[@ElectricSuperCar]

Thanks 🔥