Is it time to ditch Adobe?

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

I'm ready to consider any software that doesn't require subscription.

[@timmy334]

Give Affinity Photo and Designer a try. They are excellent apps and are a one-time cost per major version.

[@d3xmeister]

Aperture was so awesome It took me years to recover to a comparably efficient workflow.

[@donfisherjr.2404]

I dumped Adobe for Affinity years ago and never looked back.

[@SSS765]

What do you use for cataloging with Affinity Photo?

[@donfisherjr.2404]

@@SSS765 I create folders and title them as needed because I use Affinity just for photo editing. There may be free or low-cost cataloguing software out there, but I haven't needed to use it.

[@timmy334]

I love Affinity Photo and Designer!

[@grampsworld]

I ditched adobe and now use Affinity

[@gwynneharries7024]

Me too … ages ago!

[@oleww50]

I’m looking to do the same, can I ask, do you use it full time for work etc? My worry is I won’t be able to open all my previous design files for illustrator / photoshop. files are all linked with smart objects and fonts etc etc. how have you found this? Thanks!

[@grampsworld]

@ took me a while to get used to it I saved my bigger illustrated files to pdf first then ok to open in affinity designer photoshop files no problem. I used adobe from the very start in the late 1980s retired from full time work 10 years plus, but still use most days for voluntary work but don’t expect to be up and running day one

[@oleww50]

@@grampsworld Thanks for your reply, much appreciated. Good to know, thank you! I'll need to have a look at Affinity then I think 🙂

[@Thomllama1]

I ditched Adobe WAY back when the went to hostage ware.. Affinity works fine, generally.

[@jrzshor]

i loved aperture!

[@Spidouz]

Yeah, I loved it too, that’s where I was organizing all my photo, tweak them, apply some LUT, etc…Now, my whole photo library is just a mess. Aperture and iWeb are the two most apps I miss from Apple.

[@johnaart]

Affinity all the way...took some time to get adjusted to it

[@fashopimpin]

Still need to work on their raw editing for me

[@tonalvibrancy]

Logic Pro should not be compared with Adobe Audition. Audition focuses more on raw audio editing, whereas Logic Pro is a complete DAW solution.

[@BenCaesar]

Yes as a producer this always hurts to hear people say it. It’s like comparing premiere to after effects. Both video editing but wildly different

[@Krell666]

Yep, completely different.

[@ghewitt94]

Yes, Aperture was a wonderful package and I too was sad that it was discontinued. Will look at these new options.

[@crajo463]

I went all-in on Aperture. After Apple killed it, I learned that I can’t trust Apple’s long-term commitment to any new Adobe alternative they develop. I was all-in with Lightroom/Photoshop until I learned that other applications did things better. I’m a heavy user of the Affinity Suite but have no idea what Canva will do to those applications. To avoid future disruptions to my photoediting workflow and asset management, I’ve had to build a workflow that’s independent of Adobe, Apple, Affinity, etc. but allows me to use the features I want from all of them

[@cameronwilliams3092]

Small business owner and editor. I switched to Affinity and Davinci bought everything out right for a soild 310$ (before taxes) Its been amazing

[@kukasr]

Aperture was good. Why Apple abandoned it?

[@gaza4543]

they haven't really they Rolled it in to photos and simplified it, there raw demosiacing is still the best on the market so it is a shame

[@dark13art]

I really like to hear that apple goes back to software …we all bought Macs for software before …hardware was just great addition.

[@Tajhad]

If they turn them into an Aperture type program ( not the iPhoto app) they will have a winner.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

I actually don't mind the subscription model as long as the app is being maintained and the fee isn't too high for what you're getting.

[@raak23]

I agree that Creative Cloud has some flaws and is quite expensive, but for me personally there's no proper replacement for professional use as of yet.

[@andynonimuss6298]

The only close alternative to Photoshop and Illustrator is Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer. I've been a graphic artist and web designer for over 24 years and I still only use the same tools in Photoshop and Illustrator over and over; the rest is overkill. Affinity's Inpainting tool is superior to Adobe's Content Aware Fill. The only thing that's keeping me from dumping Photoshop right now is Generative Fill. If Affinity develops it's own Generative Fill type tool, then there won't be anything Photoshop can do better than Affinity Photo.

[@raak23]

@ I can certainly see Affinity being a serious contender. I’m in the high end printing business. One of the areas I still found Affinity lacking was color management. It’s also a matter of getting used to I guess. Like you I’ve been using Photoshop for 30 years now and grown accustomed to the tools. Also I don’t think there’s really a good replacement for InDesign yet, so I think I will be using Creative Cloud for the forseeable future. But I’m open to alternatives 🙂

[@tomlangton782]

Adobe is the professional app. It is what’s used in professional print shops.

[@raak23]

@ I know. I’ve been working with Adobe Software for the past 30 years.

[@andynonimuss6298]

@@tomlangton782 Let the print shops continue to use it. Graphic artists and web designers don't need and don't use all of Photoshop's capabilities. Affinity Photo represents good and healthy competition for Adobe.

[@oscarjeong9438]

If the software is good as Adobe Light Room (and classic), there is no reason to stay with Adobe.

[@Roman_4x5]

Have you heard about Capture One? Only time I have to upgrade is when I buy new camera. DaVinci Resolve for video editing. Free for 99% use cases or one time payment for the 1% extra. I will never come back to Adobe.

[@gaza4543]

its not nowhere close the only one that comes close is capture one

[@chocolatethunnderzzdahoodbrat]

Affinity is better

[@davidmilisock5200]

Define better please. I tried Affinity Photo and it's OK but it, (Designer) and the other Affinity programs were not ready for prime time.

[@chocolatethunnderzzdahoodbrat]

@ designer is you probably don’t know how to use it , may be challenging for some & publisher tops indesgin in every category

[@chocolatethunnderzzdahoodbrat]

Because of the ai features it most say adobe but not really

[@andynonimuss6298]

@@davidmilisock5200 Affinity's object selection tools are far smarter and more flexible than Photoshop's object selection. Affinity's Inpainting tool is far better than Adobe's Content Aware Fill. Unless it's a super simple selection, then Content Aware is pretty clueless. If Affinity develops a tool like Generative Fill, then there will be very few reasons to use Photoshop anymore. By the way, I've been using Photoshop professionally for over 24 years. Affinity is getting close to removing Photoshop from its pedestal.

[@MichaelBoelton]

I don't see apple charging that much less than adobe. in fact I would be surprised if they move away from the subscription model altogether.

[@maxheadroom7687]

Took me right back when you showed the video portions of Aperture! I was really pissed off too when they discontinued it. Have just left Adobe due to latest price hikes. What most of these programs seem to lack is somewhere to store our images/catalogues permanently? Anyone have any ideas?

[@That_Creative_Dude]

Unfortunately it's hard to ditch Adobe when most of the places I'm applying to as a graphic designer require experience/knowledge of adobe.

[@andynonimuss6298]

Yep, I agree. I've been a graphic designer and web designer for over 24 years. I do think over time though, companies will examine the software licensing costs of Adobe vs Affinity and starting moving away from Adobe based on saving money. At the moment, Affinity Photo is very close to Photoshop with a nearly identical tool set. The moment Affinity develops a Generative Fill type tool, then that will be a pretty compelling reason for companies to reevaluate the high licensing costs of Adobe. I'm pretty bitter about Adobe's choke-hold of ever increasing subscription fees. With Dreamweaver and Adobe XD now abandoned by Adobe, and DaVinci Resolve/Fusion the better alternative to Premiere and After Effects, I'm finding it less and less likely I will stay with Adobe in the future.

[@That_Creative_Dude]

@@andynonimuss6298 Totally agree! I think the big thing is it's going to take someone reliable showing them that they can rely on these other programs.

[@dakunclear]

I will be paying for them in the next month or so and I want to see how everything ends up working out. I don't even mind buying a new major release every 2-3 years. I've played around with the editing on the photomator and my only gripe so far is when you use brush mask and go to increase the exposure of that mask I find it creates an almost white fog over the spot but that is hopefully an easy fix and nothing something that I use an extreme amount so it's not the end all be all.

[@DerikTran]

Will be interesting to see the outcome. My guess: Photomator features gets absorbed in Apple Photos in 2 years. Pixelmator gets renamed Photos Pro. All in 2 years+ time🤔

[@oo0Spyder0oo]

Left ages ago, affinity does all I need and fast.

[@Dave-my1we]

What has the canva acquisition done to affinity? Anything noticable?

[@Hugodra]

Funny thing I do enjoy using mid 2000s dslr for photography and have one of my Mac Pro running Mavericks for editing them on Aperture. Meanwhile Pixelmator Pro has been my editing software replacing Photoshop completely, Photomator is slowing becoming Lightroom editing for new cameras and professional settings. Still a long way to catch up but as it states is Aperture 3.7, not 4.0 yet. I just wish I can find something to replace AI and abandon Adobe. Affinity is almost there few more features.

[@thomassinikangas]

With logic, motion, and Final Cut still being one time purchases, then I don’t see why Apple suddenly should change their minds with photomator and pixelmator. Unless they of course start subscription for all of them. I ditched my photographer plan last week and my photomator trial expired tomorrow and going to make the purchase. Does what I need it to do.

[@Krell666]

I still don't think there's a complete solution to replace InDesign, Infinity Designer 2 is really the only alternative. For designers replacing InDesign is probably the problem with ditching Adobe, much as I'd love to.

[@craynotcreigh]

If apple sticks to the existing roadmap that photomater has on their site that will be a good start.

[@YawOwusuNyarko]

I think they will change it into a subscription model

[@Guitar_jd-w8x]

I switched from PS to Pixelmator...damn I wish it had a PS like "patch tool" . Affinity may be better

[@CurtGodwin]

I'll echo what many others have said - I'm definitely keen to consider something that doesn't require a monthly outlay. I get why companies love the subscription model, but once it starts, it'll do nothing but increase in price. Honestly, I'm surprised the Lr + Ps bundle has stayed where it is for as long as it has. That said, if my (admittedly non-professional) workflow can be accomplished with a buy-once application, I'm all for it.

[@RyanElliot]

Thanks for you’re comment and watching @curtgodwin

[@timrees786]

I'll have to keep an eye out for you down Winchester and St Cross water meadows!

[@Spidouz]

I’ve been using Pixelmator for maybe 15+ years now…. It’s perfect for what I need to do and I’ve never missed Photoshop!

[@Spidouz]

I need to mention I’m not a photographer or a graphic designer, I used Photoshop for basic graphic stuff, layers, mask, etc… I never used script or whatever photoshop experts do. But that’s my point. If you’re like me, that needs to do some graphic design without being a graphic designer, then Pixelmator will be more than fine and you won’t have to deal with Adobe and their subscription. For music I use Logic Pro, for video editing I use DaVinci Resolve Studio, for office app I use Apple ones (numbers, page, keynote). In the past I used Protools for music (now subscription), Premiere for video (now subscription), Photoshop and illustrator for graphics (now subscription) and Microsoft Office (now subscription)… I literally removed all subscription and I’m not missing any of the applications I was using in the past. Actually, I love the apps I’m using now even better and I wouldn’t switch back even if they would remove their subscription.

[@NickPowellPhotography]

I don't understand why people keep saying that Adobe for photography is expensive. I pay £10 a month for Lightroom and Photoshop which in my opinion are both still leagues above anything else, so the £60 per month subscription isn't needed as Premier Pro sucks. For video DaVinci Resolve is free, or Final Cut Pro is excellent. I would miss the Generative AI features massively as I use it a lot for my photography business. Anyway... Just my 2 cents 👍

[@theleakingpot]

I ditched them years ago. Use Capture One and Affinity instead.

[@gaza4543]

Until there programs that do exactly what adobe does then it a no go for most professionals. Photographers can get away with just Lightroom in some cases. A graphic designer/ illustrator 3-5 of the packages and when you get to that point and when they all seamlessly talk to one another there is just nothing else like it. They should have been stoped from acquiring macromedia then you'd have options and bloody good options

[@soundarapandianms2875]

I think they’re gonna integrate the photomator app into the photos app and ask for iCloud subscription to enable it. Pixelmator pro will be a one time purchase on the Mac and monthly subscription for the iPads

[@RyanElliot]

I can see this happening! Thanks for the comment.

[@Seraph137]

Aperture was awesome! It sucks they dropped it.

[@daveemilio67]

I’ve tried but it’s too damn good. And it’s the cost of doing business.

[@claytonsmith1906]

Need this on iPad Pro ASAP

[@chrisdalrymple6850]

I currently use Adobe, probably wouldn't go near Pixelmator Pro and Photomator. From what I've seen the Affinity packages way ahead. I know others have moved to using their packages.

[@mTurnaviotov]

Affinity and Pixelmator which planned to be bought by Apple now is crazy alternative to Adobe

[@TC_Conner]

No!

[@andynonimuss6298]

Windows desktop is 73% of the market share and Mac desktop is 14% of the market share. The best Windows/Mac alternative to Adobe is Affinity.

[@joeiazizi9808]

I'm an old goat that like Coke Classic, though it may taste rusty metal I like it that way. I started with Lightroom the classic and like it that way. Adobe at one time tried to kill it and introduce Lightroom web. Many of us old goats like the classic. Great package with Photoshop.

[@stevevlahos1]

I bet they bought them for the IP. They will integrate that into Mac OS. They did the same thing with dark sky.

[@Seraph137]

In the list of top 10 DAWs, I never see anyone put audition on that list.

[@mickjayplays]

In between the Affinity suite and these recently purchased apps, I think I might be ready to ditch Adobe.

[@charlieaerialfilms1429]

I bought a pixelmator. The only downside to this. They do t havr generative fill.

[@davidmilisock5200]

I'm not a Mac guy but anything that kicks Adobe has potential to ne good for the creative arts and industries.

[@averoes4029]

I was an Aperture User too 😢

[@vincentubachs6129]

If the software does the job, I’m definitely willing to ditch Adobe, because it’s pretty expensive on a yearly basis

[@graemeallan7883]

Absolutely not!

[@valleybrook]

Has Affinity as good painting brushes and Gen-AI support?

[@MarioTorre]

Affinity does not have any “generative AI”, they are introducing machine learning assisted masking through (their classical masking tools are already very good though)

[@andygregory8108]

I have just ditched Adobe after quite a few years and now use Darktable which is free.

[@Boinzy476]

yes. did it years ago.

[@arturoavalos5939]

Nah, I have both. I've used Pixelmator since it launched, and while it's decent, it’s never been on the same level as Photoshop. Pixelmator is a good toy for learning, but it’s not ideal for professional work-especially when you're getting paid for your projects. But hey, great promo video.

[@stevecarty]

Aperture all day. I miss it greatly. F adobe. Ditching them

[@Dave-my1we]

Unless something has changed, Apple HAS NOT acquired Pixelmator/Photomator. Rather, Apple has signed a deal to do so pending regulatory approval. The deal is not closed the companies are two separate companies as of today, and, depending on regulatory hurdles, the deal may take a longtime to close or, potentially, never close. Once Apple closes the deal AND Photomator finishes their announced development projects (see their website), I will be “all-in” and Adobe will be gone. I am 85% all-in now. Of course, if Apple just lets this thing rot or dumbs it down, I’ll be forced back to Adobe.

[@RyanElliot]

Super interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

[@Ishanamin]

I thought that we were going to hear about a new program called pixel-matter. Shit… he’s talking about pixel-“maytur”

[@Redcliff123]

I am allergic to Adobe lately 😅

[@JgHobley]

Come on Apple. Professional photo editor please!

[@mike_qbik]

Affinity is now Canva so that will end Affinity soon. Lets hope Apple will not f**k it up like they did with Aperture. Lets hope we Are getting Aperture 2 with cataloging ffts like Lightroom and Pixelmator with AI like Photoshop. Current “Apple intelligence” to do emoji is a joke, so fingers crossed.

[@Procharged32]

Only for Apple products, not much competition for Adobe then is it.

[@MRing1107]

Someone else noted Windows overall market share, but that includes countless millions of commercial desktops issued by corporate IT departments to run Outlook and Excel for endless armies of corporate desk jockeys of various stripes. Of the actual market of people who would potentially be running something like Lightroom I suspect the data looks very different. I know my own companies marketing team runs Macs, and the digital teams of every church I’ve gone to has happened to have Macs either for everything or at least running the music and graphics and other media.

[@M1dKnight1am]

Apple has a history of not playing good with 3rd party manufacturers, namely Fortnight Adobe Flash Lightning cables chip after IOS Update not working Facebook

[@thebee18]

Pixelmator is solid,

[@sneakingelephant]

lol Adobe is thirsty. I got an Adobe ad before this video started😂

[@craigrobinson99]

I’m not supporting anything that has a subscription.

[@petercsontos5236]

Is that terrible background music, or what you can call it, necessary - do you think!?

[@mezza001]

Yes ditched Adobe

[@CarlosBenjamin]

Past time.

[@jlsc4125]

Adobe is the best photo editing software on the market with the largest following and the largest 3rd party support. And, the biggest plus, you don't have to use a POS Apple computer.