Is it true that God gives people the gift to believe? (UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION)

Our listener asks, “I recently heard a gospel given much like the one we Believe but one thing that was said threw up a red flag. In part of the conversation discussed they said it is not anything you do that can save you into eternal life except by believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, I completely agree with that statement except after that they said “God gives you the gift of belief”. I then asked if he thought God made people Believe and he said “no God doesn’t force you into believing but gives you the gift of belief”. further discussion went on and he asked me if I did anything to be saved and I said its not by works that you are saved but by believing in Jesus Christ and what he did, that I chose to believe that. After, he said that if I thought I was the one who”believed on my own” then that was me saving myself and that’s a form of work. I was left even more confused after asking more questions about that. I was thinking this was a form of Calvinism but I asked and was told they are not calvinist, so im not really sure what this belief is and if it’s true or not. Is it true that God gives someone the gift of belief?”
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[@BibleLine]

Please SHARE this because the answer is very important!! - Trent

[@gideonboots1008]

Hello brother Please quote from the Westminster confession or any calvsnist preacher where God has as you put it 'forced' people to belief or not believe..As you are misrepresenting calvanistic belief.. the word 'forced' by definition means that someone is coerced to do something AGAINST their will.. All those who come to Christ receive the GIFT of faith by His grace (Eph 2:8-9) and WILLINGLY come to Christ after this believing faith is received.

[@wtom04]

@@gideonboots1008 Your comment - "Please quote from the Westminster confession or any calvsnist preacher where God has as you put it 'forced' people to belief or not believe..As you are misrepresenting calvanistic belief.. the word 'forced' by definition means that someone is coerced to do something AGAINST their will.." My comment - "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. R.C. Sproul - "SOME COME WILLINGLY, and some are DRAGGED UNWILLINGLY, but all eventually come, although we have no part in the drawing." - Chosen By God. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My comment - "Dragged unwillingly?!" If man is "dragged unwillingly" then that means that God uses force/coercion to save some people by going against their will. So, according to Sproul, God is a divine rapist. Sproul is clearly contradicting himself. First he says that some come willingly which contradicts the Calvinist doctrine of "total depravity/"total inability". If some come "willingly" then that obviously means that man is not totally incapable, but has free will. Then he says that some are dragged "unwillingly". It appears that RC Sproul is a DOUBLE TALKER as is typical of all Calvinist heretics.

[@krisjustin3884]

A great answer to an important question! And when we read Rom 4:5 KJV, ‘But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness,’ we see that faith can not possibly be classed as a work as the believing person is seen as one ‘that worketh not’. Further to this, Paul calls this faith the believer’s faith: ‘his faith’, not ‘God’s gift of faith’. How could Calvinists miss this?? It’s also ridiculous how they say sinners are responsible, even if elected to damnation against their will! Thank you Pastor Jesse for bringing some sense into this discussion.

[@BibleLine]

Solid points. Thanks Kris!! - Trent

[@krisjustin3884]

@@BibleLine Great to have you with us too Brother Trent! Appreciate your responses to the comments given. It’s online fellowship with you and others taking the time to comment. Thank you all of you!

[@BibleLine]

Sure thing! I enjoy responding because it helps me to see where people come from, and it causes me to study to have answers! - Trent

[@Livingingrace]

@@krisjustin3884 Amen brother 👊

[@into-christ]

​@@krisjustin3884This is nothing but an ERROR. Bible teaches that Faith is both a Gift and an Action. You seems to deny both. Rom 4 talks about "works of the law" which you are confusing with "good works". You have been misguided badly into easy believism.

[@Sabbathforman]

Jesus knocks at the door of our hearts and it clearly says if ANY man opens the door. We have to open the door then God and Jesus do the rest

[@BibleLine]

Salvation is free to ANYONE. The only requirement is to believe in Christ. Thanks for subbing! - Trent

[@MichaelForte-jn5pn]

These videos have helped me grow in faith......thanks Jesse....

[@thereturn2361]

Pastor Martinez, excellent explanation of the order of belief and salvation. Related to that is the issue of being born again. I have heard Calvinists specifically state that you must be born again by God and then you will have faith. Yet in John 1:12-13, it clearly states that those who receive and believe in Christ have the right to BECOME a child of God. Verse 13 makes it clear that becoming a child of God is not the result of human activity but it is being born of God. I might also add that many claim faith is given to you by God from what Eph 2:8 says. The Greek dispels that notion because the word faith is feminine and the word it (as in: it is the gift of God) is neuter, assuring that it is not referring to faith as the gift. We know that the gift of God is eternal life through Christ. That is what salvation by grace through faith results in: eternal life. Romans 10 tells us how faith comes. It comes by hearing and hearing through the word of Christ. Ties in nicely with Eph 1:13, eh!

[@BibleLine]

Thank you - Trent

[@55joelem]

Show some are able to reason together while others are not? Why? Why are some able to reason and understand with ears to hear While others are not? The answer is in man's condition of disabling sin prior to Salvation. We don't change our heart to receive salvation. That is a work of the Holy Spirit.

[@CarolThompson-dh9mo]

Thanks again Pastor for clarification about Calvinist doctrine.😮

[@watchmanendtimes]

Calvinism is a wicked doctrine

[@dostoyevski9423]

And Arminianism too

[@trooperman1080]

You are letting your emotions blind you.

[@FloridaMark1611]

Amen, the gift of God is Eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[@James_no_hell]

@@FloridaMark1611 To have eternal life is not from OUR belief; it's from God; (therefore a gift). To KNOW about eternal life is from our belief. We do nothing to be forgiven. God gives belief (faith) and He gives eternal life. It's all from God; not of ourself. We have no control of the gift nor of the giver. You might say our only input is our sin. God does it all; we are blessed.

[@MikeMenoIsAwake]

@@James_no_hell Mark is right. We are not puppets, we have a choice! God doesn't believe for us. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Get saved today!

[@James_no_hell]

@MikeMenoIsAwake I didn't say that God believes for us. That would be a bit stupid. (?) One of Christ's followers said "I believe; help though my unbelief". < Does God answer prayer??(Yes). Is the Holy Spirit; God? (Yes).... Jesus by the Holy Spirit did miracles to help the belief of the people in the days of His ministry. We work out our belief. We study; we pray; we worship and fellowship with our brothers/sisters. Through it all the the Holy Spirit helps us with our belief. Then how is it that our belief is solely of our own making? (It's not!) Grace is from God. He strengthens our faith; which is belief. Also; There is no "choice". God chose us not we Him. Hell is false doctrine. Belief is not a choice; belief is a realization. God does the best thing; He makes believers out of all of us. The Bible says that "all shall know Him; from the least to the greatest". I've got to go. You may have to ask to help your belief. Hell belief is partial unbelief.

[@MikeMenoIsAwake]

@@James_no_hell You're on the wrong channel. We don't believe in Calvinism here. Check out James White or some other heretic like John MacArthur.

[@heavenquiz]

Excellent! I like your eyeglass illustration Pastor Jesse! I did not hear you mention Ephesians 2:8-9. People incorrectly say that faith is the gift rather than salvation by looking through their Calvinist lens. I found an article entitled Fatalism vs. Faith by John Van Gelderen very helpful. His conclusion: Fate or faith? To create a scheme of Christianity that is, in essence, fatalistic, regardless of how logical it may appear, is to undercut God’s sovereign choice of giving man a responsible will. To say that God is supreme, and yet hold to a view of God’s sovereignty which cannot give man a free will, is to actually say that God is no longer truly supreme. A supreme God can give man a free will and, through it all, maintain His sovereignty. A free will is simply a responsible will, not an inevitable will. The issue of man’s will revolves around the responsibility of man to believe. Faith is a responsibility, not an inevitability. The ramifications of these differences are monumental. The major doctrines of salvation and sanctification are greatly affected. This is not a non-essential matter. Although good men and perhaps even friends may be on opposite ends of this issue, major truth is at stake.

[@BibleLine]

That is very true. Thanks for the good word Tina. - Trent

[@Rundu1987]

Great video past. Jesse. It hits very close to home.

[@BibleLine]

Thanks Kimo Sabe! - Trent

[@garyburns1033]

Amen 🙏 Salvation is available to Everyone

[@BibleLine]

Yes! - Trent

[@krisjustin3884]

Indeed it is and thank God for channels like this that preach the Gospel knowing this very truth!

[@MichaelForte-jn5pn]

Amen....well put...

[@shanesettle2115]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

[@billions8491]

Great video! I've been enjoying this channel for about a week now. Really appreciate the time and effort that's put in! On the subject of calvinism and free will, I'd love to hear their explanation for Deuteronomy 30:19 - "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live"

[@Hakeem597]

How would you explain John 6:44 "No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day"? I am not a Calvanist, but it seems God is doing something (drawing) the greek word "Helkyo" which means to "drag"...that God is dragging people to Christ or leading by inward power. The way I look at this as God conditioning the heart to received the word...or being "Born from above" as Jesus told Nicodemus (John 3:5) that a person is being washed and regenerated (Ezekiel 36:25-27), (Ezekiel 37: 1-14) that we are dead (Ezekiel 37) in our trespasses and sins to which only God can regenerated us through the person and work of Christ. Again, I do not believe in Calvanism, but It seems to me a regeneration of the heart occurs....that God is the one who is causing it, which causes us to be drawn to Christ and place our faith in Him once we have heard the Gospel.

[@Painfulwhale360]

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself (esv)

[@Hakeem597]

@@Painfulwhale360 only the believing ones are drawn. John 3:16 tells us why God gave his only begotten son. Not everyone is drawn.

[@Aj17754]

Everyone was drawn when Jesus went to the cross look it up ​@@Hakeem597

[@Fred_the_Head]

The same sun that melts the wax hardens the clay. We are rational beings which means we can understand our sinfulness and the need of a savior. However, understanding our sinfulness doesn’t save us. Until and unless we humbly receive G-d’s grace we cannot be saved. The wicked revel in their wickedness, the saved has placed their trust in Jesus.

[@saiducation1586]

Whosoever...loved the world...seems Calvinists just do not understand some basic definitions of simple words

[@Livingingrace]

I'm very familiar with an online KZbin ministry, Talkin Doctrine, out of Florida that teaches the same idea but says he isn't a Calvinist. That God essentially zaps someone with faith, then if truly zapped one will never doubt because it is God doing the believing. It's a head swirling mess that I've seen prevent ppl from trusting in Christ. Rom 4:5 KJV But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. In essence this passage teaches the same truth as Eph 2:8-9. It is earned by trying but gifted freely to all will trust in Christ to do for them what they come to realize they can not do for themselves. God bless all you guys and gals down there.

[@BibleLine]

Thanks for that bit of info. It’s a dangerous doctrine no matter how it’s labeled anyway! Thanks for supporting us. - Trent

[@Livingingrace]

@@BibleLine you're very welcome and is my privilege brother :)

[@AbrahamAdeyemiOSAS]

Many people are promoting false gospel

[@Livingingrace]

@@AbrahamAdeyemiOSAS very true. Seems that the majority both on and offline are promoting either some open works based or esoteric mystical gospel like Calvinism which still essentially is based on a person's works and few the true Jesus paid it all in full gospel of Grace.

[@krisjustin3884]

Romans 4:5 is one of my favorite verses! I think this verse alone checkmates predetermined faith. I mentioned this verse in my comment too! Great!

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

Like your videos, very to the point.

[@williamjarvis3473]

I hear what you're saying brother ; however just before the scripture you referred to is the predestination verse that the calvinist will go back to. I deal with them on a regular basis and they're mostly unmoving on the false teaching that they're somehow special and God didn't die for the whole world but only the elect. I just figure that if the Holy Ghost can't convince them then I'm not going to be able to either. I believe the Bible in Ephesians 2:8 says God gives us the gift of faith, "that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God". After the God given gift we still had freewill to turn it down. Praise God He made it so simple to come to Him. Ephesians 6:10

[@dirkh.matthee7099]

I agree, God does not give us the gift of Belief, but He gives us all the ability to Believe and to choose (free will, as you have said), as He is the light in all men. Thanks for preaching the 1 True Gospel❤

[@James_no_hell]

@@dirkh.matthee7099 Yes; Belief IS a gift from God. "by grace are you saved" >> therefore by grace (God's grace) you believe. Not all people are saved during this life. But after this life when we are in Heaven; we do nothing but believe. "Saved" is what we living humans are because we believe. Forgiven is what we are because Christ died for our forgiveness. (For the forgiveness of the entire world)

[@jimkraft9445]

Just to add to what Jesse is saying. Romans 4:5. Faith apart from works. So faith is not a work. And, the GIFT of God is eternal life. Romans 6:23. Not faith, and not a reward for good behavior, but a free gift. Second Corinthians 9:15. Thanks be to God for His UNSPEAKABLE GIFT. ETERNAL LIFE. No one can earn it, and once you have it you cannot lose it because it is ETERNAL LIFE. John 10:28-29. Hebrews 13:5. Gods word, and God cannot lie. John 6:40. John 6:29. First Corinthians 1:21 For after that, by the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of preaching, TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) For it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Jesse divides the word of God correctly. John 3:16. See all you WHOSOEVERS in heaven. John 3:18. First Timothy 2:4 God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come unto the knowledge of the truth. Second Peter 3:9. God is not slack concerning His promise. Acts 16:31. The simplicity of the gospel.

[@RickVermeulen-ll5qe]

If faith is not the gift from god. Than salvation by crace trough faith Is not a free gift. Than your own free will choise, to believe is what saves you.. do i get this right? God bless

[@rennethjarrett4580]

Wonderful teaching. Thanks....

[@BibleLine]

Sure thing!! Thank you! - Trent

[@arturourena6805]

What Time can I call that # I live in so. California? 5-6 pm ?

[@jimsal101]

Thank you. Great truth.

[@BibleLine]

Yes! Thank you! - Trent

[@LH-mp6xs]

John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." This is not free will. You said that you cant find that in scripture at 9:07. I believe this is it.

[@BibleLine]

Context… John 6 is not promoting a Reformed doctrine view. You can’t John 3:16 any verse in the Bible. - Trent

[@chrisking6874]

John 12:32 (KJV) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

[@watchmanendtimes]

Brilliant teaching

[@BibleLine]

Thank you!

[@CBALLEN]

Philp 1:29 says it clearly He grants His people Godly belief.God doesn't have to force anyone not to believe, Hatred of God is the natural mans default state given to us by Adam. THIS IS WHAT GOD MUST SUPERNATURALLY CHANGE in all He died to save.Prov 16:4 Explains it all.The Doctrines of Grace are the Gospel, to deny their truth is to deny the TRUTH GIVER.

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

Paul is talking to those that are already saved in Philp 1:9, and who did he die to save? If he died for the elect, don't you think there would be at least one verse that says he died for the elect. My bible says God died for all men, because all men have sinned and fallen short. Luke 5:32 Jesus said, I came not call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 19:10 Jesus said, for the son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost, are not sinners the lost. 1 Timothy 1:15 Paul said, this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptations, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Only if you were already righteous, he did not need to die for you, but if you are a sinner like all men, then he did die for you as well as all sinners, that covers everyone.

[@CBALLEN]

@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry Wow,so God was ignorant of His people before He ever created? Did He also not know who the goats were? When did He find out ? Or is He ignorant until they decide who's in which camp?

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

​@@CBALLENYou said Proverbs 16:4 explains it all. All of what, it says nothing about any doctrines of grace, or about the topic of faith being a gift. Nothing you said has anything to do with the topic we are discussing.

[@CBALLEN]

@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry what does it say,though?

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

@@CBALLEN Nothing that has to do with the topic we are discussing. The Lord has made all thing for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Verses 5-6 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil. It says the same thing in 2Timothy 2:20-21 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honor and some to dishonor. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and qualified for the master's use, and prepared unto good work. There is nothing in those verses that are referring to or in agreement with your comment.

[@gem934]

Thank you God bless

[@Onebobcat222]

I always thought the drawing of christ was us seeing him by faith paying our debt on the cross and trusting He has already done it all.And then recieving that message knkwing in my heart He is the son of God and He did Rise from the grave(tomb)

[@lindarobey8935]

Irresistible grace is point #4 of TULIP.....Limited Atonement is #3 of TULIP

[@jacoborr7248]

Hey brother, really appreciate the messages you send out. I have a question about John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. What does it mean that the Father draws us? And I feel like people will use that to say, some people will want to come to Jesus but they can’t because the Father hasn’t drawn them in. So, I would love if you could clear this up for me. Thanks again for your ministry

[@BibleLine]

Sure thing! Notice in John 6 that the offer is not limited in the context. 3 verses later, he even opens it up to “he that believeth.” John 6:44 should be seen in the entire context of John 6. Another note can be made regarding John 12:32-33. He draws all men by the cross. The man must believe who Jesus is and what he did for them. He is the Christ that died to pay for their sin. He is risen. In like manner, those who believe shall rise to be with him. John 6 is really a fantastic eternal security portion of scripture as well. The Calvinist loves to snag 6:44 out of context simply to fit a doctrinal system. Why would John state “whosoever, all, world and he that believeth” in multitudes of scriptures, then turn around and say “oh 6:44 trumps all that information. It’s only for the ones God chose; not whosoever.” It’s ridiculous. It’s doctrine over clear Bible. - Trent

[@garyburns1033]

Amen 🙏 Bibleline 🎯

[@BibleLine]

Thanks Gary! - Trent

[@trooperman1080]

1 Corinthians 12:3 New King James Version (NKJV)Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

Excellent video 🎯👏👏👏👏 It's interesting, ironic and has become typical that a Calvinist will run from being identified as one, preferring to be a "Reformed" Christian. Ask him what part of TULIP disavows... there will be no part of Calvinism with which he disagrees, he's being deceitful, intentionally misleading. Then ask yourself ...why?🤔 Also, Here's an interesting comment from noted Calvinist theologian Dr. R. C. Sproul, on just how salvation occurs. Regarding the question: 'does God force you to believe?'.... There is a polemic comment sometimes made by Arminians and other non-Calvinists referring to the Calvinist's belief about how salvation occurs. They compare it to 'spiritual rape'. While Dr. Sproul criticized them for saying it in those terms, he admits he can't find anything technically wrong with it. From Dr. Sproul; "I personally do not like the term “rape” for the Reformed position concerning regeneration (i.e being born again) prior to belief. Yet with that said, I think I understand why non-Reformed folk invoke the term, for despite protestations, when one breaks down Reformed soteriology, one is left with the fact that regeneration occurs against the will of the unregenerate sinner-the sinner has NO CHOICE in the matter; as such, there is some truth to the claim that it is “a forced love”. He agrees with it but likes to say it 'nicer'. The link; articulifidei.blogspot.com/2010/07/rc-sproul-and-holy-rape-of-soul.html the link is fine,

[@BibleLine]

They definitely admit some crazy things when you get them to share what they actually believe. Thanks for sharing! Hope we can encourage you with more of our videos!! - Trent

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

@@BibleLine 👍👍

[@StephenShields-e3s]

The question of your belief. Who do you worship if you know not God, do you interpret him, do you imagine who he be, what is your belief if it wasn't received from God, I know whom I worship and whom I speak off. Why do you not, mmmm imagination

[@MbaeruLilian-u2y]

What rewards await a successful believer when he/she gets to heaven ?

[@edsnyder2801]

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatest of His Power, towards US who believe, according to the working of His Mighty Power.

[@BibleLine]

Good verse. Yes, “toward us who BELIEVE.” Hence Ephesians 1:12, “who first trusted in Christ” and 1:13, “after that ye believed, ye were sealed.” - Trent

[@edsnyder2801]

@@BibleLine No, I'm not speaking of myself. My faith is according to the working of His Mighty Power! I'm seeking God's Glory! Not mine own!

[@BibleLine]

I see. You do understand that having the free will to believe or not does not limit God’s sovereignty, nor is it claiming that one can save ones self. See John 3:18. Believing is clearly a choice. Jesus is the individual in which you place your faith in, so choose you to do so. - Trent

[@edsnyder2801]

@@BibleLine The Bible teaches that The Church is ordained in Christ before the foundation of the world. Jesus shall reconcile All Things Unto Himself! People like you and the many others that the words of predestination and election, All in the name of John Calvin! Sounds to me that your problem is not John Calvin, but the divine expression of God, The Doctrine of Christ. You as most, are wilfully ignorant of the covenant theology throughout the entire Bible. You, as most, are willingly ignorant of the parable of the wheat and the tares! Peter completely understood what he was writing! The natural brute beasts made (ordained), to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not! These are the children of the wicked one, and the enemy that soweth them is the devil! Jesus came to divide Us from these false teachers. They shall be thrust out of the Kingdom, they believe in Jesus, but it is not the Jesus of the Bible! You and the many others are speaking evil of the way of The Truth (Jesus), and shall stand before Him in that Great and Terrible Day in your wilfull unbelief of the deep things of God in things pertaining to salvation; like predestination and election! Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS; for He shall save His People from their sins! If you do not choose to seek the truth of this clear passage, then you shall never have an understanding to the simplicity of The Doctrine Of Christ. It is only the disobedient children that believe that their father does not have the right nor the power to go against their free will, because He loves them. And this is heresy and a total contradiction to The Word (JESUS)! Hebrews 12:6 For whom The Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every Son whom he recieveth. It was Christ and Christ Alone who broke me over my sins and put His fear in my heart to turned me in another direction. I shall never stand before Him in disbelief of His Power, which according to His Promise, shall reconcile All Things Unto Himself! What a serious, blasphemous thing in denying the power thereof! From such turn away! Because if you have crossed that line to transgress and abide not in The Doctrine Of Christ, is following the error of the wicked!

[@edsnyder2801]

@@BibleLine Also, the words choose, chose and chosen are never, not even one used for man choosing God under the new covenant. To the contrary, everytime these words are used in the new covenant, it is always God choosing man. So as Peter shall say; make your calling an election sure! Opps! Did I say a bad word? Like "Election? Where's John Calvin!

[@Rundu1987]

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Simple as that. The gift is Salvation.

[@James_no_hell]

@@Rundu1987 Faith is belief. Salvation is because one believes. Faith is a gift from God. God gives you belief when it comes to belief in Him.

[@Rundu1987]

@James_no_hell Calvinist?

[@trooperman1080]

Many people hear The gospel being preached...but still don't believe. So now ask yourself, was it your intelligence or cleverness that made You believe in the Gospel or was it the Grace of God. Faith comes from God.

[@James_no_hell]

@trooperman1080 "By 'grace' are you saved and that not of your self".

[@James_no_hell]

@@Rundu1987 Southern Baptist.

[@carmenvljn]

How can we help remove these very thick glasses that Calvinists are wearing? prayer?

[@BibleLine]

Yes, and speaking the truth in love! - Trent

[@watchmanendtimes]

Can I also Ask your view on eternal sonship?

[@BibleLine]

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three in one persons, and the Godhead is eternal. It was foreordained before the foundation of the world that Christ should die for our sins. He didn’t just become the Son when he was physically born, but he has always been eternally the Son of God. His birth was to take on a body in order to die as slated in Hebrews 10. Understanding the trinity and the nature of God is admittedly challenging to our finite minds, but we can see the pieces here and there in scripture. This is a simple explanation to your question, but I hope it is sufficient. - Trent

[@watchmanendtimes]

@@BibleLine Jesus is god no doubt. My understanding was he was word eternally but became son through virgin birth as Jesus but I could be wrong

[@BibleLine]

We know God is also called “everlasting Father,” therefore the everlasting “Son” can be concluded as true.

[@3BadBostons]

It is true, His sheep will hear His voice and He will not lose one that the Father has given Him. That's what the Bible says. No, I am not a Calvinist, but, predestination is true. Faith comes from hearing the Word, right? ...and we choose to believe? That is absurd, John 1 and Romans 9 are clear that it isn't our choice. Your free will comes in with what and how He works in you through His Word.... We are responsible for our choices, but our debt it paid and our birth, spiritual or physical, was not our doing.

[@ricklamb772]

Every single Christian attribute is a gift from God.

[@BibleLine]

Every person has the ability to believe instilled in them as a created human being. We believe and choose not to believe all sorts of things every day. - Trent

[@trooperman1080]

​@@BibleLine Unregenerated men are unable to choose God Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. Ephesians 2:1-3 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others

[@trooperman1080]

Many people hear The gospel being preached...but still don't believe. So now ask yourself, was it your intelligence or cleverness that made You believe in the Gospel or was it the Grace of God. Faith is made possible by God Alone.

[@theresasmith3540]

God in romans 12:3 which states that God give ever man a measure of faith God says in Ephesians 2:8-9 By grace you sre saved through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast .

[@Themagichoopgirl]

Someone can be saved and then fall into false doctrines later on sometimes? I’ve met some people that agree that salvation is through faith in Christ alone but then they are all into demonic toughens or believing that objects can be possessed I’ve also met tarot readers that tell ME the gospel and I’m like wow you know it but I don’t know why they do tarot … ? What is going on here

[@BibleLine]

Yes this is very possible. Someone can understand the gospel, trust in Christ, and they can very much fall away. They’re even still saved because they believed. I personally (Trent) have some friends in which this has happened (sadly), whether it’s Atheism, another religion, or something completely pagan. Many baby believers most likely fall away just as Jesus said “choked due to the cares of this world.” Still saved, probably not serving, and they need someone to come alongside to help correct them. It could happen to even the strongest believer. - Trent

[@phoenixgamer1565]

@BibleLine I would have to strongly disagree. A believer would not depart from the faith. That would mean they were never saved. Can they backslide into sin? Absolutely. But, becoming an atheist or turn to a different religion? Never.

[@James_no_hell]

Belief is from the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit assures us. The Holy Spirit tells us that we are a child of God. SO; tell me that belief isn't a gift of God. It most certainly is!! Our God given belief.

[@AnaxofRhodes]

My belief is my own. It is conjured up from within myself. Therefore, I am not saved. The Holy Spirit has not assured me, I do not sense His presence and assurance. Therefore, I am not saved.

[@James_no_hell]

@AnaxofRhodes but you are forgiven.

[@AnaxofRhodes]

@@James_no_hell No, I don't believe I am. How could I be forgiven, when I do not have true, salvific faith from God?

[@James_no_hell]

@@AnaxofRhodes When a person is forgiven; that person doesn't have to know they've been forgiven or even know where it came from. Belief isn't a necessary factor of the forgiveness. Guilt isn't even a necessary factor of forgiveness. Belief IS a factor of salvation...so of course; when you don't believe; you are not "saved". I never said.nor thought that you're "saved".

[@YeshuaSaves726]

Okay. I have a question. Why does Jesus often call His believers His elect and why does He say it's the Father that chose people who would come to Him and doesn't Paul adress this in Romans 9 and basically says He's God and He can do whatever He wants,who are you to question God? I don't want to believe something unbiblical but what i see when i read the Bible is that God did choose certain people before the foundation of the world to believe the gospel,He is the one who reveals it to you as it can happen you've heard the gospel 100 times and it doesn't hit you,it enteres one ear and leaves the other but when God reveals it to you then the realisation of what Jesus did sort if hits you. Jesus asked who do people say that He is and people thought He's one of the prophets but when He said Who do you say that I am,then Peter said you are the Christ,the Son of God and Jesus said blessed are you Simon bar Jona for flesh and blood hath not revealed it to you but My Father in Heaven. Jesus talked about how nobody comes to Him except the Father draws him and nobody knows rhe Father except the Son and he to whom the Son reveals Him. Jesus said to the Jews in John 10 why don't you understand My speech? Even because you're NOT of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me and I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish. These are some of i would say many more examples. My point is not to argue or debate,i just want to learn and not believe a lie. I also didn't know what i believed leaned towards Calvinism. I don't even look into that stuff,i don't really care about like what group,i guess it's called denomination,i am in,as long as it's truth. I love Jesus and i love the truth and i want seek that which is true and like i said,i think Bible supports predestination and sure i could be wrong,if i am then may i be corrected please. God bless.

[@24azion]

I am with you on this. My belief seems to line up with calvanism but I'm not one.

[@phoenixgamer1565]

God chose the elect people because He knew they would choose Him. It looks like God is selecting people for election, but God is eternal. He already knows which people would believe the Gospel. Therefore, God chooses them. Eternal comes prior to the timeline.

[@24azion]

Isn't it in the Bible that God gives faith? For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, The apostles asked God to increase their faith. God is the author and perfecter of our faith. "You did not choose me but I chose you." God already chose us before the creation of the world. I'm no theologian nor Calvanist but I read these from the Bible.

[@phoenixgamer1565]

The first verse refers to God's grace and salvation, not faith being His gift. God is eternal. He already knew who would choose Him. God chooses the elect because He knows they will choose Him prior to the universe even existing.

[@orangeandslinky]

I had no desire to believe either. Jesus made the gospel sound like good news to me. Others here it as foolishness. Why? I don't know. When you take your glasses off, you can't see the bible.

[@aletheia8054]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:13 Which were born, *not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man* but of God.

[@BibleLine]

Right, the birth is from God, but the faith is something God gave to every man to be able exercise or not. All can believe, but not all do. John 3:18 - Trent

[@aletheia8054]

@@BibleLine I made one video about your ignorance. I should make another. You’re very ignorant Pastor Faithfulness is produced by the Holy Spirit, not a man’s flesh ability. Galatians 5:22 You’re preaching the feel good Jesus. Romans 16:18

[@into-christ]

​@@BibleLineIs "exercise" not a work?😂❤

[@BibleLine]

Yes Aletheia, but the man must choose to walk in the Spirit. - Trent

[@into-christ]

@@BibleLine Doesn't "choosing" involve human will? Yes, we all know. Now read John 1:13 again. You are in ERROR in denying that faith is a gift.

[@henrycovey3380]

DOES anyone get one question answered, then have 20 more.? Go up several verses,what is paul talking about that they were predestinated before the world was formed.And bfore they were born,God chose jacob over Esau. God also said he would have mercy on whom he wanted. If God is omnipresent,omnipotent,etc then he knows the end,who will chose him and who wont.Is that correct? God said he gives men a chance but wont always strive with men.So you can come to a point of rejecting the gift so long that it would be hard for you to believe.Does anyone have answers on that?

[@BibleLine]

Good questions. 1) What is Paul talking about when he says "chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world" in Ephesians 1? Paul is referring to those who are IN HIM. The people who are IN HIM are chosen for a task. What is the task? To be holy and without blame before Him in love. It is interesting because the Calvinist view teaches that holiness after faith is automatic to certain degree. The ones who are chosen are the ones who have believed, and they are chosen to DO certain things. Notice Paul was chosen to DO things. 2) What does Paul and Malachi mean when they claim "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated?" The basis for the passage is not referring to God loving them to save them and hating others to not save them. Again, they were chosen nations for a task. Out of Jacob would come the 12 tribes of Israel. Not all Israel is saved, but the whole people has been chosen. This fits with the rest of Romans 9-11. Pharoah was put in a place to choose. He resisted God 9x and finally caved in. Then he STILL came after Israel to the Red Sea. There is no indicator whether Pharoah was saved or not. 3) What does it mean when he says "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy?" God plagued Pharoah. He chose to show no mercy in those situations. Pharoah was put in a place to choose. He could have chosen correctly. 4) God won't always strive with man. Yes, this is a true statement. Nonetheless, God the Son took a body and came to save all sinful man. He died for all sin of all the sinners of all time (1 John 2:2, Romans 3:26), and anyone who believes in him receives eternal life (John 3:15-18). I hope this helps. If Calvinism is true, then God is at fault. Anyone can believe, freely of their own will. - Trent

[@jimkraft9445]

Amen Brother. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But then the Calvinist will say, Oh! you believe in universalism then. No I do not. John 3:18 separates the sheep from the goats. The TULIP is the devils favorite flower. They do not believe the blood of Jesus has anything to do with salvation. In fact, why would you need a savior if you are chosen. It makes absolutely no sense. John 3:16 refutes the whole idea. God loves everyone, but, only those who accept the free gift are saved. Romans 6;23. First John 5;13. John 6:47. The only way a Calvinist can believe they are saved is by their works. Romans 11:6. Romans 4:5. They Love to twist/wrest scripture to their own destruction.

[@RickVermeulen-ll5qe]

I belive in the faith that jesus had on rhe cross and its that faith that is our salvation not our own al glorie comes to jesus. Hebreeën came to this world as a devine human. On the cross the human hwas in principe and he was in doubt. Lost....( father why have you forsaken me) but his devine nature kept his faith. And it all was finished. And i belive that that faith saves us all..

[@TerryUnderwood-x1l]

Jesus Christ is the imputed righteousness, it is not one of gods attributes! Sez c.i Schofield

[@ricklamb772]

Bible line,I know that appears to be true,but it's not.As far back as Adam and Eve,the course was plotted out in advance.God didn't say if you eat from the tree of knowledge you will surely die.He said ( When you eat from it.And what about the world being taken captive at Satan's will,not ours.And what about being born into sin,at no choice of our own? Born with all odds against you.90 percent evil,and 10 percent good,to judge by? It's impossible to serve God in total obedience in this evil world,even if it's the desire of your heart Even Job was persecuted almost to death,because of his love and obedience to God.Why did King David suddenly become faint in battle,so that his troops insisted he stay home during future battles? And then how Bath Sheba started taking baths in front of him,because of his boredom?And what about being written in the book of life before you are born? Fact is God does what He does,lives who He lives,hates who He hates.Forgave Peter,but not Judas? Fact is God knew us before we were born in earth.He knows the secrets of the heart,And knows if we do truely live Him or not.And how you can walk around list,and in sin,and then,Him miraculously exposing one to eternal light,and that person being forever changed? The new birth, but before then,no matter how hard they tried,God was unattainable to them.And how that when you make a true surrender to God and His will,with total commitment,then you go under unending satanic attacks.And endure endless stuttering for the gospels sake.And that physical poverty is the cost? All odds against you,yet,nothing can seperated you from this unexplainable need for God,that nothing can satisfy? And that you would rather craw through broken glass out of your admiration for God,then to sit in the highest seat in the kingdom of satan and darkness? And the more you suffer afflictions,the deeper your love for God? Election,can be the only answer Or why would easy life and wealth,drive you from the depths of true relationship with God and,poverty and anguish,draw you closer to Him So you see,God knows what it takes to reshape His clay after breaking it into a masterpiece.

[@watchmanendtimes]

Could you please do a video on biblical repentance. It's so wrongly interpreted

[@BibleLine]

We have one! Here: What does REPENT mean in the Bible? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ2cmnSimal2lZI

[@watchmanendtimes]

@@BibleLine thankyou

[@watchmanendtimes]

@@BibleLine I found this video He is way off isn't he? He won't listen to me Be good to get a comment on there for you if time? This repent of sins is everywhere kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2jYfIKnbc2ojtE

[@danielfraser643]

Jesus told us that apart from Him we can do nothing. What you are suggesting is that we are not only capable, but responsible, for our own Faith (you said belief). You catastrophically overate your own and humanity in generals abilities - 1 Corinthians 2:14 makes matters of the Spirit crystal clear. You really need to remove this video and reconsider what you think it is you are doing by running this channel.

[@BibleLine]

You receive the Spirit when you believe. -> Ephesians 1:12-14. Faith is something God allowed all people to exercise. - Trent

[@danielfraser643]

This is the problem with intellectualising through reading scripture literally without the Holy Spirit. Let me reiterate for you the difference between belief and faith. 1.) I believe that I am a male human being, this is due to my observations and certain universally accepted facts available to me (information I choose to accept as fact in order to make any reasonable sense of the world around me). I don't have faith that I am the same aforementioned. 2.) I trust (have faith) that my plumber will come and fix my sink tomorrow. I trust in this because he told me so, not because I have any irrefutable evidence before me that he will be. I don't believe that he will come tomorrow, because I have no irrefutable evidence before me that no calamity or change of mind will prevent him coming, ie. I would not stake my life on it. I've said to you before, if you believe something, then you don't need faith. Our fallen natures are as open graves; what makes you think that God would believe for one moment anything that is generated in the mind of or comes out of our mouths? Faith is what He demands! What is 'exercising of faith' supposed to mean? A Christian Lives by Faith, this defines Christianity and the Christian. Faith is not an activity you take part in.

[@phoenixgamer1565]

​@@danielfraser643You are wrong. If faith is not something we can do on our own by believing, then that would make God a liar. God said He is not willing that any should perish, but that all would believe. This would be a LIE if God was responsible for giving the faith/belief to only certain people and not everyone.

[@danielfraser643]

🤦‍♂️ The Creator also gives us a brain; think before you speak/write. Do your homework and feel free to comment again.

[@BibleLine]

He also calls us unto meekness and humility Daniel… 😒 - Trent