Is It Worth Buying a MOSIN NAGANT in 2024?

[@cameronpottle2901]

i remember around 2015-2017 you could buy a mosin from canadian tire for $99.99 those were the days

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

I regret not buying one at that time, even $200-$300 would be a steal in today’s market

[@briang530]

LoL, I've seen Polish M44s at $1000+ and M28s running 2k now. Ammo is ridiculous now too. There's no way that there should still be demand for these things in great shape at more than ~$300.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@briang530 Yep, those less common models are going for a fortune, some people out there made a lot of money if they bought a bunch of the cheap crates in the past lol

[@behindenemylines3361]

Yup - I bought my mine for a $99 +tax. I walked into my local Big 5 Sporting Goods Store and 10-days later, I walked out with it. That was years ago, and the follow years was a blur.

[@charlestaylor253]

In roughly another year, all firearms will be illegal to own and,(almost), all will be confiscated and destroyed. In Comunada and the former U.S. 🤬☠️🤬

[@improvisedsurvival5967]

Time to buy mosins was years ago. Buy it cheap and stack it deep was the saying.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Times have changed sadly!

[@ma96782]

IMHO......"Buy it cheap and stack it deep", is still GOOD ADVICE. That being said......."cheap" is relative. AND, the government regulations (read as : a lot of Politicians) are apparently are hell bent on CONTROLING YOU and your ownership/enjoyment of firearms. Rrrright.....punishing the law abiding while letting CRIMINALS flourish. But then.....who knows what law(s) are coming that will further hinder your ownership of private property? All while using the excuse of, "We're from the Govt and here to HELP".

[@troystallard6895]

I did that. Might be time to start cashing them in....

[@michaelchen8643]

In a broad sense, the A.R. 15 is the surplus rifle to buy They can be bought in pieces they can be assembled with tools at home without special machining or hydraulic presses Unfortunately, there are legal restrictions that are coming over the hill But like these surplus action rifles this is the rifle to buy. You can maintain it too.

[@jeremylawson3693]

I have the opportunity to get a numbers matching mosin nagant M44 for $450 ​@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors

[@jasonashley4579]

Bought one made in the Tula plant in 1934 with a hex receiver and all matching numbers complete with everything for 89.99, best 90 bucks I ever spent.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

That’s wicked, I would have no regrets keeping a piece like that!

[@sterlingstephens7093]

Same here except mine is a 1933 tula hex

[@colddeadhand7414]

Same, 1934 hex reciever, all matching numbers, and the numbers still have the orange paint inside of them. The wood is in great condition too. I bought it in 2019 and thought I over paid for it then. It was around $450 with tax and background check. Fast forward to 2024 prices and I'm now thinking I damn near stole it. 😂😂 I found a magazine the other day from around 2012 from JG sales and they were selling for around $89 at the time. Should have bought one then and crates of spam cans. Hind sight is definitely 20/20.

[@richardherron5989]

​@@colddeadhand7414I was a part time dealer working out of my home back in the mid 90's. When they started importing them they were considered Russian junk. I sold a ton of the 91/30's for $50 IIRC. Southern Ohio Gun (,SOG) was one of the biggest suppliers of surplus firearms at that time... dealer price was $29.95 each if you purchased a case of 20. I still have a couple of Tula hex receiver Finnish capture from the 1930's... they are import marked but not refinished and would grade anywhere from NRA good to very good condition.I also have several thousand rds.of 7.62/54R ammo.I was offered $1000 for me two rifles and the ammo.Good deal or not? Thanks in advance for any replies.🇺🇲

[@josefseppallerberger6295]

Same 1934 hex receiver

[@Airborne-80]

I bought mine...a 1928 beautiful one for $50.00 in 1995. I love it.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Airborne-80 I bet, I would buy tons if they were still at that price, wish we could see those prices again some day!

[@loquat4440]

I payed about $135 plus sales tax and also the background check. My was an arsenal refurbished 91/30 with bayonet.

[@DeathHead1983]

I bought mine in the US in 2013 for 100-120 dollars. I still use it to hunt a decade and some later. Perfect deer hunting round for 50 to 200 yards.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Definitely worth the purchase when they were that price and for sure a great big game hunting cartridge! Far too many individuals out there underestimate it's capabilities for hunting.

[@wagstag89]

I remember when these were like $70 at shows. I bought my 1936 when they were $99 and thought that was expensive. Me and my brother in law used to get a real kick out shooting that thing how big long they were with the bayonet attached lol. One day was shooting at a target stapled to a wood pallet 75 yards away and when I shot a big dead pine limb fell out of a tree and landed next to the target and thought it was hilarious and so fitting for that rifle lol. Still have it and love it

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@wagstag89 If I ever got one at that price I doubt I would ever part ways with it, unfortunately mine costed a lot more… I did really enjoy the rifle though, just not practical anymore in my opinion

[@yply.o.7877]

I’m in New Hampshire 500-800$ is crazy. I got one 299$ just two weeks ago.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

You can still get some for a good steal, conditions play a big part and simply finding the right buyer/seller, I have seen some still going for as little as $200, but majority are going for $500-$800 here in Canada

[@yply.o.7877]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I’ve noticed that. I’m originally from Florida and prices are way different it’s crazy how location and time of year can fluctuate the prices so much

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@yply.o.7877 Definitely, good for you though on snagging one at that price!

[@JonDoe-gk3ej]

It’s a Canadian video

[@Serrano46571]

About 17 years ago you buy at Big 5 Sporting goods for about $90. Those days are long gone.

[@ericbrainard4072]

Absolutely, just bought one yesterday. 1934 91/30 in excellent to very fine condition.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

What made you choose a Mosin over something more modern?

[@paullavallee1631]

I bought a Polish M44 carbine in unissued condition for 60.00 years ago, pretty good investment

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@paullavallee1631 Wicked investment I would say!

[@artseger6891]

Years ago, can't remember how many, saw a article in the back woodsman magazine about a canoe gun. Just cutting down a mosin,keeping it legal though. I found a mosin at a local gun store, 100 bucks so I got it. Never cut it down though. Found canister ammo , 400 rounds for about $150. Thing is still fun to shoot and the ammo is still good.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Got yourself a steal then! The ammo definitely lasts a long time, to anyone who got them at a good price I definitely think it's still worth having a Mosin, otherwise selling it at this time in particular would be ideal if you don't plan on using it.

[@user-ti7uj4dq5n]

I’m amazed how accurate they can be if hand loaded. My PU sniper 1944 model can put 5 shots inside 1/2” at 100 yards with a near max charger of H4350 pushing a 180gr Sierra PH to 2812 fps out of its 29” barrel using the 2.5x PU scope. Makes a great hunting load for just about anything.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@user-ti7uj4dq5n I think you can achieve excellent accuracy with practically any rifle as long as you hand load, factory loads have such wide deviations in graining, especially your typical military surplus ammunition!

[@mikesabota2570]

Mine does very well loaded with 168 BT hollow points..

[@TurbodanNM]

I've gotten some excellent groups out of ordinary surplus. Most of what I've got is 1970's Bulgarian and Russian. I can't tell a difference between that stuff and the Yugo HB or Czech Silvertip.

[@davidcox3076]

I'm old enough to remember when they were being practically given away. If only I had known then. Good review!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@davidcox3076 Appreciate you watching! Hindsight is 20/20! I am still a young fella but even 5 years ago I would have boughten every rifle I could find under $300 if I knew what they’d be worth today!

[@stevenl5652]

Bought mine on black Friday around 2015 in TX from Gander Mountain I believe for around $160. Got all original parts. It's a Tula and after refinishing it looks great and shoots straight. No buyers remorse whatsoever.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@stevenl5652 I definitely wouldn’t have any buyers remorse for that price, if I bought it now at the current prices I would for sure have my regrets, anything under like $350 now is a steal!

[@simonchristenson2912]

It all depends on your purpose for buying one. If you are wanting it to hunt with probably not your best option, but if you want one because of the history of it or just because; then I don't see any problem with it. I just bought one because I like collecting old guns and I feel like I made a good purchase.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Absolutely agree, it's not viable at all for hunting anymore nor is it really worth it for target shooting, it was once one of the most inexpensive firearms to shoot that gave more recoil than what feels like a baby smacking you, those days are gone sadly but if you want to buy one with the intention of collecting it's always worth it!

[@jeffreybergin4097]

Depends on where/how and what you hunt , it will always have a place pig hunting here in Australia. The price of all ammo is horrifying today .Thank christ i brought enough for my 2 sons and 4 grandsons decades ago . Powder by the keg .

[@milesjohnson150]

Yes, still worth it. $350-$500 for a standard 91/30 seems to be what they sell at. I still buy them but only ones with certain marks and in really good condition. Ammo in the US is still cheap and easy to come by, just have to do your shopping all over including online.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

It definitely depends on the location where you live, if I seen a Mosin for $350 in Canada I would buy it in a heartbeat, even for the ammo, it costs far more here in Canada and to source it from different provinces you're usually minimum like $25 for shipping on a $30+ box of ammo it's just not worth it, obviously like I stated in the video there is a good stock of Chinese corrosive ammunition but it's not something everyone wants to shoot and to have it shipped it's also going to be an oversize fee for the weight. I understand buying from a collectors POV but for us here in Canada I see it as one of the most impractical purchases you can make as of right now.

[@hawkinatorgamer9725]

I bought a Mosin M44 in around 2002, 2003 dont remember exactly for about 89 bucks. It was perfect, just how it was. I was an idiot, early 20s and put a scope mount on it, bought some stupid kit where you cut the bolt handle off and drill and tap a new one on. I butchered it. Still have it, but it needs some love. Its on my bucket list to restore it back to the state it was in.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@hawkinatorgamer9725 For $89 nobody would know any better, a lot of people did the same thing you did, hindsight is 20/20 but attempting to restore it would be a great idea, I do love the M44s, if you enjoy it for what is though I wouldn’t revert it back, might be worth more nowadays but you only spent $89!

[@raywells2858]

I have one, like it, would love to have a few more, but I have to agree. At todays prices for the guns and the ammo, there are a lot of other more economical options. I just wished I would have bought a crate of them when they were about 60 bucks each and a pallet of ammo when it was like .05 cents a shot! What the hell was I thinking back in 2003? Great video!!!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@raywells2858 Nobody could have ever known how ridiculous the pricing of things would become, it goes for everything now and everyone is still buying them so it’ll never reduce in price sadly but maybe one day they will, if I could take a time machine I would be a billionaire lol thanks for watching!

[@reloader7sixtwo]

I paid around $100 for my 1933 HEX M91/30 and $75 for my1945 M44, both rifle had excellent bores and we in excellent condition finish and bluing wise. I've had both rifle for around fifteen years, and bought a good bit of surplus steel and brass case ammo that I stashed away for a rainy day. I also started reloading for and casting my own bullets for my mosin rifles at the same time, so ammo cost or availability has never been and issue.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@reloader7sixtwo It’s definitely worth it if someone is ahead of the game like yourself, ammo availability now is terrible and seemingly continues to worsen along with cost, I also got my ammo before it vanished when steel case ammo was still available, never really got into reloading because I felt like the initial cost of it would be hard to make up for, considering how expensive some reloading components have gotten, at least here in Canada

[@DukeTheSPO0K]

I picked up a few of these for $79 15 years ago from J&G in Prescott. I love a great value. I liked them so much I picked up a couple of the variants (carbines). I still have them.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@DukeTheSPO0K If only they were still that price, I would own a bunch of them including as many variants as possible! Hang onto them tight but now wouldn’t be a bad time to move any of the ones you don’t want!

[@dougwatches]

Just checked J&G (I'm about 7 miles from there) website while watching the video and Mosins are running $600-700 plus. I'm definitely missing the prices from yesteryear.

[@TheBeninging777]

I'm about to buy one for $540. I know it's not worth it and very expensive but I'm a soviet collector and the one I'm getting will be an amazing addition! I will be getting it for Christmas and am really excited!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

If it'll make you happy that's really all that matters, $540 is a fair value for an excellent condition rifle! I think from a collectors standpoint this video is kind of obsolete.

[@TheBeninging777]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I understand where you come from though. It's a shame they are so expensive. I'm hoping towards a quick and decisive victory or peace agreement for Russia (more Mosins under Trump with improved Russian-American relations) and abolition of the ATF (hopefully old Ukraine PKM imports). Both would be great for a Soviet collector like myself. What do you think would have to happen for me to see this happen in America? edit: I also just ordered the Mosin Nagant.

[@TurbodanNM]

Make a video about it and I will go watch it. Never get tired of looking at Mosins.

[@clarkbarnes7709]

Yes if you can find one. I've had mine for about 10 years now and wouldn't trade it for anything!!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@clarkbarnes7709 It’s not hard to find them at all, it’s the price that’s the real issue, visibly no shortage on the used market and yet they’re valued higher than some modern and arguably better rifles

[@imikewillrockyou]

The only reason I bought one way back in the day was because BIG 5 had a sale on them for $45. Kid you not. So I thought, I'll give it a try, and it turned out to be one of my all time favorite earth pounders, very consistent and accurate too. I have since passed it down to my boys, who never use it. But my son in law is very into shooting, so maybe I'll borrow it.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Many seem to have gotten them at that price back in the day and nobody regrets it, I wouldn't either. Hard to feel the same way with today's pricing, if I could travel back in time I would probably buy their entire stock at that price!

[@imikewillrockyou]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors For sure, back up the truck, basically giving them away.

[@johnbolt665]

My son bought one and restocked it, shortened the barrel and put a big assed scope on it for long distance shooting

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@johnbolt665 They were really fun to alter when they were cheap, now it’s not worth doing that at all, the cost of getting those things done on top of the value of the rifle itself is just far too unreasonable.

[@milsurprifleguy7091]

I am in the US , for myself I enjoy collecting them , not only the Mosin Nagants , but all milsurp rifles . As far as the Mosin’s I have 8 Russian made . Plus a Remington M91 dated 1918 ,so was not shipped to Russia , it does have a Finnish two piece stock on it . 3 Finnish Mosin’s , a Chinese & Polish M44. Overall I have rifles from 24 different countries , so yes , I have seen the increase in the cost of buying . If you want something just to go shooting ,hunting or practical applications there are better options then military surplus rifles . When I get a rifle I look things up about it , what was going on at the time , so basically I give myself a history lesson

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@milsurprifleguy7091 I totally think if you’re a collector that nothing should stop you from fulfilling your dreams and collections, price is obviously something to be picky about but like you said there are far better options out there if it’s intended use is strictly for shooting/hunting and not collecting

[@brandondavis4306]

American here and I can say these rifles are getting hard to find here as well. I was lucky to get one a little more then a year ago for 300, so i'm glad to hear it has at least doubled in price since I bought her. she is all matching but was built in 1945 right at the end of the war. even still she is fun to shoot and pretty accurate.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@brandondavis4306 Good deal for even a year ago! Prices do vary quite a lot depending on state/province/country, what I said in the video seems to be the general average most place and for my particular location but if you have an all matching rifle in good condition someone will definitely pay more!

[@brandondavis4306]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors ohh yeah she is in great condition rifling is nice and bright I wanna say 98 percent, even the finish on the rifle is where it's supposed to be. I showed it to a friend of mine and he said I stole it for 300.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@brandondavis4306 Yep, sounds about right, they aren’t easy to come across in good condition and all matching so you definitely got a steal!

[@stevenlarrabee3438]

I don't give a crap what anybody says, DO NOT use corrosive ammunition. I tried that once in my Lee Enfield 303 Brit. After I got back from the range, I cleaned the snot out of it. Two days later I had surface rust (rust dust) on the bolt and chamber. I cleaned the Hell out of it a second time and that cleared it up. Never again. I'll spend the extra money on modern ammo.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@stevenlarrabee3438 Im with you on that, I haven’t fired any corrosive ammo through any of my surplus rifles

[@stevenlarrabee3438]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Funny thing. I shot one of the best 5 shot 100 yrd groups I have ever shot with anything I own. No, shit 1 in group damn near in a straight line with all holes touching. The surface rust AFTER thorough cleaning made that a one and done experiment.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@stevenlarrabee3438 I just want to avoid the possibility of rust or corrosion all together, if you miss even just a little bit of the salts, you’ll get into some corrosion sadly

[@R_K_S2401]

Normal Gun oil and cleaning solvents will not wash away corrosive ammunition residue. You have to use water.

[@michaelrhodes6461]

Want to dilute salt,use water

[@andrewsb91]

I've fired a lot of rifles, including the Savage and 303 Brit, but nothing is as fun in my opinion as firing my grandpa's Mosin at the range. The range is never quiet, but firing a red tip round from a Mosin M44 carbine with the massive fireball and concussive blast from the unspent powder that accompanies it never fails to silence the line with people going, "What the fuck was that?!" sparking further conversation with others that want to try it out. Maybe it's the red tip (mild steel core) ammunition that does it, but any time I've fired it in public or private, firing stops for a good 5 seconds. It's not the reoil from it that gets you. It's the concussive blast you feel. Feels similar to his .50.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

That's awesome, if I ever get another Mosin I would definitely get an M44, love the fireballs that come out of the rifles, amongst many other reasons, they're probably my favorite!

[@wisprngwind]

Bought one at a garage sale about 30 years ago with all matching numbers and 2 boxes of ammo for $60.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

That’s awesome, I would love to find a gun at a yard sale, don’t see too much of that here in Canada

[@wisprngwind]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors A rarity here any more due to the silly gun grabbers.

[@razmikartashes9992]

I feel the same way about the SKS. Ranges in my area no longer allow corrosive surplus/steelcore ammo. So each range trip is costing me more than before with commercial ammo. It is slowly becoming a safe queen, but I don't have the heart to sell it just yet.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

I will be uploading a similar video on the SKS in the near future! I feel you though, I personally shoot copper washed non-corrosive Chinese ammo and it's been pretty damn good so far!

[@razmikartashes9992]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Are you referring to Norinco red box or something else?

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@razmikartashes9992 Yep!

[@razmikartashes9992]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors yeah I can't even shoot that in my area. Welcome to Montreal. That's why I'm considering getting a PCC instead to be able to afford cheap centerfire plinking.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@razmikartashes9992 What’s their reasoning for not allowing it? To reduce shrapnel and deflections? I would definitely recommend a PCC for a semi inexpensive and reliable plinker, great for 50yds, dirt cheap brass cased ammo and theres a lot of ranges will allow it indoors. I have a Ruger PCC, it’s heavy but one of the more reliable options!

[@DukeTheSPO0K]

Check out the Obrez versions (sawed off pistol grip wrist breakers)

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@DukeTheSPO0K Crazy! Lol

[@joetruth5924]

I use mine as a high power plinker. Paid less than $150 for it. Also bought a bunch of ammo when it was dirt cheap. When I got it I completely un assembled it and soaked it in mineral spirits for a week to dissolve the cosmo. I then stripped the stock and then used a heat gun to sweat out the cosmo. Stained it with red mahogany stain and then applied three coats of ting oil. It looks better but I will not hunt deer with it as it is not accurate enough to chance wounding the animal and losing it. When all my ammo is gone I will sell it for a good profit.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

I like the way you roll, everything you said is exactly what I would do in your shoes!

[@Moroni108]

In 2014, I got 4 Mosin Nagants, all matching numbers to include the bayonets(matching) and accessories, pre 1930 for $120 a piece J&G Sales online. Also a Swiss K-31. Gave one of the Nagants to my brother in law. I love them, very nostalgic. I would say, for someone who wants a "Mosin Nagant" for whatever personal reason, you should be able to eventually get one in 2024 at about $400 to 500 dollars. Only that person could say if it's worth it depending on how bad they want it. I say, buy one, go to Blockbuster Video and rent the VHS tape "Enemy at The Gates" and tell me it wasn't worth it. LOL

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Moroni108 I agree that everyone’s personal opinion is and should always be the final decision for making a purchase, not my opinion, like you said if you take the time to find the right rifle you can get them at a fair price, my values are just an average but definitely not comparable at all to pricing just a few years ago and that’s what most people are on the fence about, if the prices stay stable at this current market value I am sure people will eventually forget what they were once valued at lol

[@bulgingbattery2050]

This still packs a punch more than 100 years after it was designed.

[@michaelrhodes6461]

Kicks like a mule

[@bills6946]

Punch? It fires 7.62x 54R I wouldn’t want to get “punched” by it

[@bulgingbattery2050]

@@bills6946 CHILDREN were KILLED by ASSAULT WEAPONS at SANDY HOOK. We NEED to BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS!

[@lugwrench9832]

Back in the mid 80s I was given one for free. 1929, all matching numbers. Izhevsk armory. It's a Finn capture (probably the so-called "Winter War" 1939-40). The only problem was somebody had cut through the stock (below the barrel) just below the lower barrel band. Had to remove the furniture and hardware ahead of the saw cut (upper and lower). Underneath was a gorgeous barrel. So now, it's an original rifle with a sporterized military stock. Just bought ammo for it about a month ago for the first time since I acquired the rifle. The ammo is brass, Czech made.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@lugwrench9832 Unfortunate what happened to the rifle but great that it was free, now you just gotta shoot it! Czech made ammo (likely Sellier & Bellot?) is very good for the price and is probably one of the ones I have more confidence in using.

[@lugwrench9832]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Yes, Sellier & Bellot. 👍

[@NoTimeAllTime]

I remember seeing them for 89 dollars not too long ago, last time I saw one at the same gun store last week they were 699 dollars

[@knightmare1015]

Oh wow! I figured that they would go up.

[@Asshat1337]

700dollar for a shitstick is insane. I'm from sweden but I would never buy a mosin. I bought a husqvarna 3000 with a scope for 150$ from a friend 10years ago. Only used for moose hunting, old but no wear and tear.

[@collinstremick5015]

I was able to score one of these made in 1942 for 260USD in 2024 and its in very good shape.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@collinstremick5015 That’s awesome, good for you! I still see some that get thrown up for sale super reasonable pricing, if you’re extremely patient and watch the market like a hawk you’ll get good deals still!

[@mikesevilla1248]

Look for and go to live gun auctions in your area... just bought mine last weekend.. For $150.00.... mine is the model 91 ... Was in beautiful condition...

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@mikesevilla1248 Awesome! Not too many auctions ever happen in my area of Ontario

[@mikesevilla1248]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors here in the US.. they are quite frequent... Just have to look for estate and collector sales... open to the public

[@bendavis6662]

I still got 4 years till i can get one of these things, that price better not keep getting higher man!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

I think for the time being it will continue to rise, hopefully things change in the future, never know what will happen

[@AmericanHistoryXX1]

I got my Russian m44 before the war started with all the goodies (sling, ammo pouch, cleaning kit, oil can, stripper clips) and about 100 rounds of ammo for $600 and got a a few spam cans for like $150 a pop

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@AmericanHistoryXX1 A great deal considering what they’re going for now! M44 is definitely one of the models I would still consider buying if the price is right!

[@AmericanHistoryXX1]

@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I've always wanted one, I love the side folding bayonet. Kicks like a mule with its balls wrapped in duck tape and tosses huge fireballs it's definitely something that gets folks attention when I'm shooting.

[@HelmetOfHonor]

I bought mine dated 1940 at a Big 5 store in 2013 for $120. They may be old but that doesn't make them obsolete. They are still being used by some units in the Ukraine War today.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@HelmetOfHonor Definitely not obsolete but not a viable option either considering both sides are using a variety of AK variants, both sides are also using Mosin’s and they’re just no match for modern firearms, most “units” using them are mainly rear line civilian conscripts just given something to protect themselves on the off chance something happens, they’re not intentionally being thrown into combat with Mosins because that would be absolute suicide no matter which side you are, I highly believe in the fact that the media consistently twist the narrative about both sides and try to show a lack of small arms on both sides, likely to encourage us that the Russians are losing (when images of Russians are portrayed) or to encourage us that continual support of small arms to Ukraine is necessary (when Ukrainians are portrayed). In reality we don’t truly know what’s happening.

[@HelmetOfHonor]

@LakesnWoodsOutdoors exactly and Mosins are also being used as sniper rifles and are proven effective especially during the earlier phase of the war when alot of Russian generals were being killed by them. Even though Mosins aren't being used as Frontline weapons they still can be deadly effective in the right hands if they're not directly close to the enemy and providing fire support from a long distance but either way, a Mosin vs an AR or AK is better than no rifle.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@HelmetOfHonor Can’t disagree with that!

[@Dan.50]

I was going to buy an old antique rifle years ago and make it a "scout" but the new rifles were actually cheaper! I'd love for that to make sense.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Dan.50 You could get a Mossberg or Savage scout rifle ready to go for like $700-$750 on the used market, surprisingly I have only found Mosin scout rifles for sale at a higher price, would definitely be taking the new route!

[@robertfischer6437]

Nise gun just remember to check bore condition, the most important slug barrel, it is worthless if barrel dia is inconsistent as many ww2 guns are.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Agreed, I made sure to check the bore on mine prior to the purchase and it was excellent, rifle maintains very good accuracy, I have definitely seen others that had a lack of care and were extremely inaccurate.

[@Synetheia]

I love my 1943. Its in great shape.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Same here!

[@FadeintotheShadows]

Genuine question. How difficult is it to find 7.62x54mmR cartriages in the US these days?

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Im in Canada so not 100% sure but from what I hear it’s not terrible it’s just unreasonable pricing, assuming it depends on the state too

[@coh2conscript851]

Ammoseek has a lot of decently priced ammo on it. Use that.

[@DelGTAGrndrs]

Easy as pie

[@FadeintotheShadows]

@@DelGTAGrndrs For you maybe it"s easy to find. In Nebraska where I'm at, it's almost a rarity to find in stores. And the prices are jacked up online due to a global conflict that needs no explanation.

[@ronaldjohnson1474]

Good analysis of the current market. Remember, most of the early (ie: WW1) models were made in the US.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@ronaldjohnson1474 I’ve seen them floating around the Canadian market, they’re very expensive but I am sure the quality is exceptional for the design, would love to see one in person.

[@theroller5673]

Might have more to do with the Russian ammo ban than the market.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@theroller5673 That’s definitely a big influence in my eyes.

[@AweShiyte]

I bought an M1944 variant about a month ago for $255 ($219+ tax and ammo). Still haven't fired it, waiting to see if it's actually good to fire and clean it.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@AweShiyte M44’s are wicked! If I get another Mosin it’ll probably be one of those and you got it for a great price! Enjoy!

[@greywendigo7026]

Is that Canadian market? If so where’s the site or shop? Thank you

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@greywendigo7026 Highly unlikely but even if it was, definitely not going to be that price anymore, might've been a one off used rifle.

[@greywendigo7026]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors right there’s a store in Halifax here and they sell em for like $600 with the cosmoline still caked on them maybe more like $700 now

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@greywendigo7026 Distributors all have them fixed around the same price so theres not much room for change on most prices

[@nomdeguerre7265]

We used to get very good Nagants for $80-$90 apiece. If you can find a really good one, $150 or so probably isn't a bad deal. We got a few, customized a few with magazines, modern body, scopes, bipods and so forth. $200 is a stretch. Anything more? Not a chance. Kept a short handful, nice pre-WW2 cherries and a 'sniper'. I'll just keep 'em.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@nomdeguerre7265 I really wish I was into collecting/buying more rifles when I was younger, the price of majority of surplus rifles have gone up drastically, hopefully one day things will return to how they were

[@kenofken9458]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors But these aren't surplus anymore. They're antiques. Surplus is the leftover junk from your dad's war. Rifles considered outdated technology from a war nobody much wanted to look back on and in such absurd over-supply that selling them for anything slightly over melt value was considered commercial success. We're 80 years on now from WW II. The men who fought in it are all but gone and their stories have become almost mythical in the telling. The people born when most of these weapons were last in production are themselves old now. In the case of the Mosin, it was already old when Germany surrendered. It's been around 133 years. The Mosin I bought when they first started turning up in this country in numbers is now of the same vintage as a Civil War musket was when I took my Mosin home. While the price of an authentic 1861 Springfield carried at Antietam in 1994 was not what it is today, I can promise you none were on offer for $80 back then. The price of these rifles will never return to how they were because they times that gave rise to them are never returning. When you buy any gun of this era today, you are buying a piece of history, not the disposable toothpicks they were when they were "surplus".

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@kenofken9458 In my opinion they'll always be considered surplus rifles until there's no more available through distribution, Mosins are still circulated here through distribution, along with other rifles produced at the same time. They may be old technology but they're still being used in modern conflicts and there are still surplus caches of these rifles around the world, they're one of the highest produced rifles of all time so it'll be quite hard to dispose of them all. Being 133 years old you can of course call them vintage, but that doesn't exclude the fact that they're surplus rifles, they can be both.

[@rainbowdash3005]

I have a 1915 mosin nagant made in new England with a Finnish stamp, which is considered a Finnish mosin nagant but was built in American and I got it for 299$+ However to answer the question, is it worth buy in 2024? That answer is not anymore because the Surplus community has Ruined the value of some firearms of Outrageous prices. I just saw a mosin nagant for sale for 1000$ which is not a correct value at all.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@rainbowdash3005 You’ve got yourself an awesome rifle! I definitely agree that value of the rifle has been inflated beyond what it should be, of course like everything else it would have increased in value but it did so far too quickly and too drastically, unfortunately too many individuals still buy them at that price, so I don’t foresee them dropping in value any time soon

[@kenofken9458]

The correct value is what some fool will pay for an item. Nothing more or less.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@kenofken9458 The more the “fools”pay premium, the more they’ll continue to increase, people want to get the most out of their product.

[@kennethclark-qm6vo]

Boght mine for average 79.99 each but I was a dealer. Ammo 25 [1400] cases at 99.99 each Many of the short at 49.99 each. Can't believe what they go for now. I am not Canadian but from the USA

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@kennethclark-qm6vo It truly is remarkable how much they’ve increased in value, it feels like yesterday when they were a lot cheaper, I mean truthfully it was only like 5 years ago when they were going for about $150 here in Ontario!

[@Walkercolt1]

When surpie Nagants were $29.95 at the pawn shop or $50 online with S&H, they were good deals. 99% of the ones I've seen since about 1999 have shot-out/corroded-out barrels and need gunsmithing to safely headspace and be fired. Exactly like my US Govt .30 Caliber Model Krag-Jorgensen needing a new bolt (lug) to be safe. A quick Magna-flux showed the crack at the base of the lug. Got a new bolt made from modern high tungsten steel, and for $300 I had a shooter.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Walkercolt1 Krag’s are wicked cool rifles and I would take one in a heartbeat over a Mosin, definitely got yourself a preferable piece there, majority of Mosin’s are definitely worn out pretty extensively, people don’t want to go through the trouble of repairing them though because they costed next to nothing to begin with.

[@Dominic1962]

Mosins are a much stronger design than any of the Krags and practically never have headspace issues. With a Mosin you have two big lugs on the bolt head and the whole huge root of the bolt handle acting as a third safety lug. The Krags (as there are Danish and Norwegian ones as well) use a single fairly small lug, with the guide rib and bolt handle acting as safety lugs should that front one fail but they don’t actually do anything unless the front lug fails. Typically that is sufficient for the rounds they were chambered for, typically, but it looks like you found out they can really fail. Mosins don’t fail like that. To have the lugs on the bolt head actually fail, you’d probably also have to have so much pressure it would blow the receiver ring off. I’ve seen one factory Mosin that had headspace issues and in that example, the consensus we reached was that Hungarian Ivan (it was a Hungarian 48m) was probably nursing a horrible hangover that day refurbing it. Here, As long as someone didn’t just shoot a bunch of surplus ammo out of them and didn’t clean them, thus reaching the bore, they hold up extremely well. Like most any other milsurp.

[@operator001]

My local gun shop has a few on their wall. About $300 range.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@operator001 Pretty good prices, check other local values, I know some areas/states have good quantities and pricing on Mosins while others are piss poor, even if you don’t want it for yourself it could be an easy re-sell

[@williamhorn1061]

Here in the USA, bought a hex receiver for $69. This was several years ago.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@williamhorn1061 Fantastic price for a reliable rifle! Bet you aren’t regretting that now!

[@curtrn]

We have 2 Mosin M44 rifles . One is sporterized , neither have matching numbers. When we shoot the last 350 rounds of ammo we have. I am selling both rifles. The good old days are over. I purchased the rifles last year $350 for each rifle. The ammo for .37

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@curtrn Im sure you’ll resell them for much more than you bought them for, at least you enjoyed them while you could!

[@curtrn]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I sold them to a friend for 350 each. I had my fun.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@ At least you got your money back!

[@curtrn]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Yeah buddy. I should have keep one of them. They are so much fun. All my friends and I have an understanding we get first rights to repurchase. Good friends and a good hobby. Thank you for the video

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@curtrn That's the best way to do it man, I always ask my friends first if they'd like anything I move! Thanks for watching!

[@montrealfan1986]

I found Hex bolt from 1931 last month at a pawn shop for $299 - ~ $314 with tax. Shoots nice groups at 100 yds ~

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Banger of a deal, enjoy it!

[@StumpkillerCP]

If you can get one for $150 USD. Yes. I have owned three. I sold the Model 1891, but still have a M91/30 (Tula refurbished) and Finnish M39. Those cost me $99.99 from Century, and $60 from a pawn shop. I’m still shooting Czech spam-can ammo from the 1950’s, though I also reload PPU brass and bullets. I’ve taken two whitetail with the M39 (Brown Bear soft-point) just to see if it could. It did.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@StumpkillerCP I think it’s definitely worth it if you can find them at a reasonable price, if you have old ammo that you paid next to nothing for it’s definitely worth shooting, it’s getting more and more expensive now to shoot surplus and I can’t say I am surprised the rifle was able to take down a day, I know many guys who run Mosin’s for Moose and Bear here in Ontario, it works and always will!

[@knightmare1015]

I have to agree. I believe I should do a podcast episode about this and talk about the one I had which I was forced to get rid of. We used to get these rifles for around $125 to $150 US Dollars and we could get the "spam cans" of ammo for almost nothing. That all changed when Barrack Obama & Joe Biden was elected as president and vice president in 2008 and was sworn into office in 2009. Here in Virginia we really had a tough time with Governor Ralph Northam in office. Even law enforcement had a tough time getting firearms and was limited to how many they could buy.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

That's pure insanity and I am sorry you had your freedoms taken away, hopefully things change for both the US and Canada in the near future! If you do a video don't hesitate to let me know, would love to watch it!

[@kenofken9458]

I have zero sympathy. Neither Obama nor Biden actually did anything in terms of gun control. The price hikes were self-imposed by fools who were panic buying everything that had a trigger at any price and then did the same for ammo.

[@fredmarks5381]

I have 3 - 79$ a piece, love them for THAT price.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@fredmarks5381 100%! Anything under $200 I would buy in a heart beat!

[@andrewrussell3318]

Its reliable, and you can get ammo. It also inspires accuracy.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@andrewrussell3318 My argument is that you can get that out of most rifles now, for a more reasonable price.

[@TramJizzle]

Bought mine years ago for 89.00$. not a bad shooter just wish I had bought the ammo spam cans when they were available.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@TramJizzle Had I been able to purchase a rifle when they were that price I likely would have bought multiple along with a lot of ammo, would have been very worth it if you’re looking back at it from today.

[@stormlakebobcat9058]

Great shooter. Just dont use Wolf ammo from the camo box. The lacquer melts and jams the bolt.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@stormlakebobcat9058 I have heard many bad opinions of Wolf ammo, don’t have it available here in Canada very often and likely wouldn’t buy it given the opportunity

[@stormlakebobcat9058]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors wise decision. Bought a Mosin for Pops as a present a few years back. We thought it was the rifle. Well, we took mine some time later with the same ammo, and it jammed. So yeah, lesson learned. 🤣😁

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@stormlakebobcat9058 Sometimes we learn things the hard way lol

[@williamfisher2906]

I had one. Hex receiver. I got rid of it and felt good about it. For $125. At that time ammo was only available from Norma and was $7 for 10 rounds. This was about 1980 or so. It's long loud and kicks awful. I don't miss it and don't want another one.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@williamfisher2906 Be worth a whole lot more by today’s standards but if you don’t have regrets then I am sure you made the right decision!

[@JustinHeidelbach]

I got a 1894 tula. Are those ones kinda rare?

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@JustinHeidelbach I would say it’s more uncommon then rare, those older years were not produced at such a high quantity like they were in later years, depending on markings the value could also vary and having a hex receiver is always a benefit, it’s value is likely slightly higher than your average pricing.

[@mikesabota2570]

I have the sniper model with the issue scope..dead on accurate!!👍👍

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@mikesabota2570 Awesome! If I was to ever buy another Mosin that would probably be like one of the 2 or 3 models I would still buy

[@mikesabota2570]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors had it for years..given to me by my uncle and had to have the extractor replaced on the bolt..took a few elk and deer up in the Cascades with it..use nothing but hand loaded ammunition in it!!👍👍

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@mikesabota2570 Sounds like a blast, I had to replace the extractor on mine as well, I had the luxury of visiting the cascades multiple times, such an amazing place with so much wildlife! Seem to be getting a lot of comments lately about people hand loading for their Mosins, definitely seems worth it!

[@scout4808]

Belliet and sellot mosin ammo is cheap and by far the most accurate round I've used, they sell them on bass pros website

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

S&B is a fantastic cartridge but unfortunately for us in Canada you're looking at $40/box of 20 and it's out of stock practically everywhere!

[@scout4808]

@LakesnWoodsOutdoors yikes mine cost about $22

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@scout4808 I wish...

[@jwheetree]

I got mine for $75. Wish I'd bought a couple cans of ammo back then. Can't get ammo for it now.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

You can find it here or there here in Canada, a lot more expensive then it once was, all Chinese ammo and corrosive.

[@rickperry5022]

Got the mosin 91/30 as well as the Finnish M39. Are there better bolt rifles, yes. But I wouldn't trade mine. Especially the M39

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@rickperry5022 M39 is a wicked option if you’re going to settle for a Mosin variant!

[@omarflores-bobadilla7712]

I'm picking up mine this week , I just bought it

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@omarflores-bobadilla7712 Nice! I am sure you’ll love it!

[@theintrovertedcalifornian5047]

Better to get a good 8mm surplus mauser. Install a brasstacker scope mount with a long eye relief scope. it will perform as well as a modern day hunting rifle.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 Recently it seems many people have said this is the better route to take, unfortunately in Canada majority of Mausers are a lot more expensive and same goes for the ammo, we do have the option of the Zastava M48 though which is similar pricing, maybe a bit more than a Mosin so I do agree that it would be a better option.

[@Nivin-ut8zg]

Got so lucky and picked up a ex dragoon right after Canada got a whole bunch of stock after being dry for a few years . They were charging 350 and let me tell you everyone thought they were crazy to sell them at that price. Because I was the only one who came in to buy one the guy went to the back and hand picked a hex and sold it to me for the price of a regular one. Went back a few minutes later with a 12 pack for that guy!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Nivin-ut8zg Now they’re over double that price, you get the last laugh and the guy get’s a case of the good stuff, sounds like a win/win for both parties! Enjoy!

[@behindenemylines3361]

I have 3-Mosin's; a (Laminate) 91-30 that is in near-new condition! A Polish M44 (insert jokes here 😀) and a Finnish M39 (which was a b-day present-years ago) I am not going to sell them, still love them.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

It’s hard not to love them, they’re super fun rifles and I personally really like the Finnish M39 and even the M44! The value of your rifles are inevitably going to increase, they’re definitely more sought after and are more uncommon than your standard M91/30

[@edwardgilson9891]

I have a 1937 Finn capture Mosin and I don't know what the Finns did to it, but it is as accurate as my 1903A3. I own 8 others including M44s and an M38. I love these guns, they are indestructible. They were designed for a conscript army who would never maintain them, who would use them in horrendous weather, and produce a wall of fire.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@edwardgilson9891 Mosin’s are incredible rifles for what they were intended for, the fact they’re more expensive than other rifles now is a little shocking and disappointing, by today’s values it’d be more reasonable to amass an army with Stevens 334’s and Savage Axis’ which doesn’t really sound all that threatening lol. The Finns definitely learned a lot from the Mosin design, refurbished and built some beautiful rifles with a lot more quality control and care than the Soviets

[@Dominic1962]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I have a Finn captured Izhevsk m91/30 made in 1934 and it’s also a tack driver. The thing is, besides the potbelly stock, it’s stock Soviet. No fancy Finnish trigger, no extra heavy Finnish barrel like a m39, nothing. I’m sure the Finn stock is bedded much better than a wartime Soviet stock but in 1934, the Soviets were turning out a quality product, including well made stocks. The Soviet refurbs (the vast majority of the Mosins we have in N. America) can be really hit or miss on a number of factors. Inferior wartime stocks on pre-war guns slapped together out of piles of polished up parts. Sometimes they did a good job, sometimes they are barely functional. The refurb program was basically Commie busy work to make painfully obsolete rifles functional to send to 3rd World revolutionaries or to sit around in case WWIII wasn’t a total nuclear end of the world scenario but rather a meat grinder Operation Barbarossa part deux and they’d be throwing everything they could into it.

[@TurbodanNM]

Short answer: not really. When the ammo was cheap and Mosins were $80-150 they made a lot of sense. It was worth having to deal with the usual Mosin issues. Pitted and worn out bores, mismatching parts, terrible triggers, sticky bolts. Unless you find a very nice example it's just not worth paying 2024/2025 prices. One of mine is a great shooter after I bedded it into the stock, lengthened the front sight post, and tuned up the trigger pull. Many wartime Mosins will never get there. You can do all the same stuff but if the bore isnt concentric in the barrel or the locking lug/bolt/chamber tolerances aren't right it's going to shoot 10" groups regardless.

[@JW007100]

Bought mine from a gun store for $49.00 out the door. 1938, with a nice clean bore.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Awesome! Im going to assume that wasn't in recent history? lol

[@JW007100]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Most of my purchases were around 1995, During the Clinton times. The gun store advertised them so I ran down there and bought it. Around the same time another gun store opened up selling military surplus rifles that were Swedish Mausers, Spanish Mausers and a few other types. I bought a beautiful Swedish Mauser with a new barrel, matching numbers , micrometer rear site for $180.00, wished I had bought a Spanish Mauser later on but the store disappeared a few months later.

[@Dominic1962]

There were two basic kinds of buyers back when they were getting imported by the pallet full. Guys that just wanted something cheap with lots of cheap ammo around, often with the intention of bubba-ing or tacticool-ing them. Then there were collectors. I’m a collector, I like Mosins for the history. Looking at it merely as a functional sporting rifle, it’s just an old clunky design. Sure, it was fun to have tons of cheap ammo and be able to shoot them all the time. But ultimately I’m in it for the collecting. So, is it worth buying a Mosin? If you are a collector and you find deals on more uncommon variations-absolutely. If you just want a cheap gun with cheap ammo to screw around with, then no. I found a P26 (an uncommon Finnish variant of the m91 infantry rifle) for $350 US a couple years ago. That was absolutely worth buying as a collector. If I want a gun I can easily scope for hunting (although I actually prefer open sights and my part of the world you rarely have good shots past 200 yds or so anyway) I have a Savage 110 in .270 WIN. That kind of rifle, or the newer Savage Axis and guns like it, are a much better choice for what non-collector shooters are looking for. They are much more modern designs with much higher quality barrels that will be more mechanically accurate.

[@kentyannayon3741]

Considering the prices I'm seeing, no. When it was sub $200 USD, yes, but they're starting at prices competitive with full featured modern bolt action rifles now. A $600 modern bolt action .308 rifle is far superior to any surplus mosin, so it's just not worth it anymore.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Agreed! Not to mention modernized calibers have a lot better performance and a lot more variety in ammo!

[@greybone777]

I felt cheated years ago when I bought a carbine model for 83 dollars. The chamber was so rough it took me hours to polish it out enough to where I could extract the rounds easily. I tried to like it, but even being around a lot of surplus rifles through the 70s, this rifle felt like the most soulless iteration of a firearm imaginable.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

If we compare the Mosin to other surplus rifles of it’s time we’ll notice such a dramatic quality difference, some of those rifles are arguably just as good if not better than some modern options, the Mosin lacks essentially all qualities of either a better surplus rifle or a modern firearm and it’s better to just invest into one of those instead, in the past a lot of surplus mausers were going for more than a Mosin and yet in 2024 haven’t increased in a % value even close to what the Mosin did over the years, looking at my options now I totally should have bought a M96 because they’re going for the same value if I was to get a surplus rifle, otherwise I am going modern all day long.

[@snipervictim]

Until they make bullet proof people this gun is a good bet to knock you out of your shoes !

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@snipervictim You’ve got that right!

[@archer721]

On rare occasion you can still find one for around $400 US… just seen one last weekend and almost bought it just because…

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@archer721 Totally possible to find them at a good price still, definitely rare, in my opinion it’s worth buying them at that price, worst case scenario if you don’t want to keep it, it’ll be an easy flip!

[@craigwilkinson860]

I got a 1939 made one for $150 and got a case of 800 rounds of 54R Tul ammo for about $230. that was about 2009

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@craigwilkinson860 Steal! When you buy them at that price they’re so worth it!

[@jakejudson8578]

Yes for the right price.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@jakejudson8578 Price is everything for these rifles, if you find a steal I would take it in a heartbeat!

[@jakejudson8578]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors I got a type 53 for 150 I thought that was okay, probably over paid even for that, nice firearm though.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@jakejudson8578 Well I can promise you that they’re worth a lot more than that now, I see some going for $700, definitely a steal by today’s pricing but back then it was probably on par with the norm

[@neilritter8418]

I’d say not worth buying today unless got on the cheap. I’d rather build up a cheap .308. Mosins are fun and very capable but the prices are just too high nowadays. Hard to find decent ammo for them as well. Brass cased especially are unicorns. Got one of the carbine versions back in 2013 for 89 bucks haha!

[@dobraydien7242]

Glad I kept my 100% number match 1943 splice stock! You can get Bulgarian surplus ammo

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@dobraydien7242 I bet! Unfortunately it seems like Bulgarian surplus ammo wasn’t imported for us here in Canada, Chinese ammo it is!

[@gibusgaming]

Saying you shouldn't buy a mosin in 2024 because you can pick up a cheap hunting rifle is a pretty dumb argument. No one in 2024 is thinking of buying a mosin or any milsurp (outlier being the SKS) for 1-2 moa shooting or hunting in general, milsurp is about collecting for historical appreciation or for the joy of shooting older rifles also the argument of future scarcity and corrosive ammo can be made with 7.62x39 yet the SKS and type-81 are still the most popular firearms in Canada. Saying the price will drop when/if the Russia-Ukraine war stops is also extremely doubtful, Ukraine nor Russia are going to sell their stockpile of rifles to the USA or Canada right after the end of the largest 21st century war in Europe. This is not post-soviet E.Europe where politicians thought wars in Europe were over so massive soviet stockpiles were worthless, we are entering a new age of Russian/Chinese ambitions and those mosins no matter how dated are still reliable and simple enough to toss at fresh recruits to put on the line.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

It really comes down to what people want the rifle for, nearly every Mosin I have personally sold has been purchased for plinking, majority of people don't care about collectability of these rifles, with the exception of genuine milsurp collectors like you said and many hunters use these rifles, especially indigenous communities, similar to the SKS. The reason people aren't buying them in 2024 for plinking is literally for the reason I have already stated, ammo availability and price of the rifles has rendered the gun obsolete in that category and many shooters decide to buy the cheap hunting rifles, drop them in a new chassis and take them to the range. The argument can definitely be made that 7.62x39 will also fall into that category, I also own an SKS and Type 81 and it's pretty evident it'll get to that point, though we're still importing new non-corrosive cartridges from china for about 0.57 cents/shot, both cartridges have been slowly phasing out of the PLA, opting for the 5.8x42mm and 7.62 Nato, but they definitely still have an abundance of rifles that take the 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r cartridges, both in service and in storage. In regards to prices dropping after the war, I doubt it will go down immediately but they likely will over time, it's not going to happen overnight, they're currently being used in the war but not to extent it may seem, they're being issued to civilians and conscripts in occupied regions and majority will not be used in combat, then back into the cosmoline they go. It all depends on how the future plays out.

[@gibusgaming]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors The mosin is still the best plinking gun for a full powered cartridge your next option is Chinese 7.62 NATO which runs 90cpr almost double surplus 7.62x54r which will also eventually run out so next step up is PMC bronze at 130cpr. Again no one buying a mosin in 2024 is thinking "let me bring this massive 9lb rifle into the bush" there have been cheap bolt action savages that fill the roll of cheap hunting gun for a while. At this point you buy a mosin for cheap shooting or fun just like many other guns. It's like saying should you buy a lever action in .45-70 no probably not semi autos are faster, bolt actions are cheaper, and .45-70 is expensive but lever guns are still super popular because they are fun. And let's be real those $500-$700 .308 bolt actions are not built well nor are they going to last long under continues strain, they are made to be fired 30 times per year for sighting/hunting and then sit in a safe. The mosin will be shot to a smoothbore before it breaks while a cheap savage will be sent back for repairs a minimum 10+ times.

[@shevchenkogerman4423]

Yeah... Not really. And not just because your counter-point is extremely subjective. I and many others DID buy Mosins, Mausers, SKSs and even AKs as cheap, reliable, full or at least capably powered beater tools for use out in the forests and on their lands and are now leaving them in the closet or not buying them at all exactly because of increasing ammo cost and scarcity no matter how fake it is. Maybe I'm just not all that enchanted by them after owning and using them for so long but artificial scarcity and a history that belongs to 20 million plus rifles at least 1 million of which are in North America alone, doesn't really numbercrunch into a +6x price hike. Unless someone just REALLY had to have one for whatever reason I'd suggest maybe they might enjoy a different path in shooting than milsurp which for the foreseeable future seems to only have pain in store.

[@shevchenkogerman4423]

@@gibusgaming It's only the past 6 years or so that new manufacture hunting rifles have really price matched milsurp and before that the comparison in beating a massive 9lb 120 dollar rifle to a better 400 dollar rifle was pretty huge. Comparing 45-70 too, which has always been a pretty uncommon and expensive platform and round isn't really the apples to apples comparison you think it is either. I see what you're saying that people simply have fun shooting these guns, I get it because I do too but it doesn't make his points any less valid. Then again, you make another totally unsubstantiated, not LET'S BE REAL and subjective claim, I've seen plenty of Mossberg Patriots running through box after box of old M2 30-06 ball ammo and German milsurp 7.62 as long range target shooters without ever seeing the factory past production and bolt actions in general have extremely little that could go wrong unless we're talking barrel life on a rifle chambered in a high friction cartridge like 22-250 or something. I can't really figure out exactly why you're simping for the Mosin so hard and it fascinates me, it seems like you just really don't do much or know much about real shooting.

[@alanthomas1774]

Big 5 back in the day they where $59 bought a case too

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@alanthomas1774 Awesome, if you flipped them today I bet you got yourself a pretty penny back!

[@iraneman1668]

1:07 Interesting

[@lordhippoguy5658]

where would one find this rifle? yours looks great

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

If you’re in Canada, theres a couple sites for used firearms!

[@sirnuggsthe15th84]

i just picked one up today funny enough for 350 at an auction

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@sirnuggsthe15th84 Auctions are a great place to get away with great deals, definitely worth it for $350 on today’s market!

[@rooknado]

How did you get yours to look so pretty?!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

Just bought it used that way, it was definitely in quite a fair condition!

[@rooknado]

@ wow, fantastic find. Wish I could replicate it!

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@rooknado Just keep your eyes peeled! Check every day if possible and eventually something will come up!

[@theroller5673]

Haven't seen guns or ammunition going down in price since I don't know when. Of course it is worth buying. When it is one of the most produced and owned rifles of all time, how/why would ammunition dry up? Those plastic guns will never be worth anything.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@theroller5673 It wouldn’t dry up as a whole but if we looked at the value increase of Mosin’s and ammo especially there’s a significantly larger margin than pretty much anything else, many people would give it the covid excuse but there’s obviously far more reasons at play, in Canada, Chinese ammo is likely never going to dry up completely but the non-corrosive ammo shows up in the country seldomly and sells out fast even at it’s ridiculous prices, as of 2024 a lot of prices for common products has gone down in price, average cost of your most widely used North American ammo has actually dropped around 10% from what it was priced at last year/early 2024, likewise many firearms didn’t receive a significant price increase with the exception of a couple brands and Tikka even made some price cuts to accommodate new firearms. You can treat the Mosin like anything else, if there’s an absolute ton of it, it probably isn’t worth a whole lot. Regardless if you feel like it’s worth buying one then my opinion should not stop you from making your own choice!

[@garywatkins5533]

Thanks for your videos ..only my opinion;;;; be a real man!!!! You already own the rifle so don't get rid of it. THEY DONT MAKE EM ANYMORE!!! They are awesome and super simple....get a spam can of ammo and will last ya forever. Teach the next generation with it.....bolt teardown,,,firing pin setting,,,cleaning,,,ext, ext. Please keep it

[@michaelchen8643]

I remember in the 80s in the 90s in the 2000s and maybe into the early 2010 s when these were dirt cheap And the ammo to giveaway price as little as three cents apiece Then it was worth it now that they’re getting to be collectibles with limited supply. This means that modifying them to make it more of a hunter shooter means reducing the value. You certainly wouldn’t want to put something to work that cannot be turned back to its original form. In many ways, you can still get a mouser action and if you want, you can get German type hardware and furniture and perhaps make something that’s a reproduction

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@michaelchen8643 Definitely a lot of modifications going on for a lot of rifles, when they were next to nothing for cost many would play around and build some whacky rigs just cause they could and it wouldn’t cost them a fortune to do so, like you said now that they cost a lot more it’s probably not the smartest idea to alter them because they’ve become more of a collectors piece than a plinker/hunting rifle.

[@thegrey8643]

Cant get ammo any more soon for it since the ban of russian imports and I have not been able to source bulk ammo for it any more. Its dead in the water like the AK. Im in TechnoFascist America.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@thegrey8643 Im sorry to hear that, at least here in Canada we can still get bulk Chinese ammo but it’s nothing like it was year back for pricing.

[@Hibernicus1968]

Having owned and fired Lee-Enfields and Mausers, I didn't want a Mosin-Nagant enough even to buy one back when they were selling for under $100. I certainly wouldn't pay what they're going for now.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@Hibernicus1968 Sounds about right, seems you and many others agree on that from a surplus standpoint and I definitely agree with your point of view, by today’s standards and prices there’s a lot of better surplus or new options for the same value

[@Hibernicus1968]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Yeah, and I really got tired of the Mosin-Nagant fanboys. I've always found the rifle to be an ergonomic disappointment. Reliable and accurate (for a rack-grade service rifle)? Serviceable? Sure, as long as you got one in good shape, but _so_ much less enjoyable to shoot than a Mauser or Lee-Enfield. When American and British troops were briefly deployed to Russia to aid White Russian forces, following the Bolshevik Revolution, those US and UK troops, for reasons of interoperability with White Russian units, had their own rifles replaced with Mosin-Nagants -- and they truly disliked the Russian rifle. They simply found the Mosin markedly inferior to the M1903 Springfields and M1917 Enfields, and SMLE's they were used to -- no more accurate, and no more reliable, and significantly less user friendly. Russian firearms authorities, like Maxim Popenker, acknowledge the Mosin realistically for what it was: a decent, serviceable, reliable and effective rifle, but no more than that. Good, but not world's best. But a lot of buyers of these rifles, a few years back, acted like the M-N was the greatest military rifle in history. It was "the rifle that defeated Hitler!" I suspect what happened is that they bought these rifles at unheard of low prices. They could be had for a song. And ammo was super cheap as well, so, for well under a hundred bucks, you could pick up a decent, reasonably accurate milsurp rifle, and plenty of ammo to blaze away, and they started to brag about what a great deal this was. Then they showed off these rifles to shooters with experience of better guns, who said "meh... it's okay" and _that's_ where the fanboyism started. Their purchase wasn't validated as _the best deal _*_ever_*_ in firearms history,_ and their pride was stung. So it wasn't enough anymore that they had picked up a decent rifle at a great price, they had to make it out like they had acquired the _best_ milsurp rifle out there. And those who saw through this, acknowledged the limitations of the Mosin-Nagants, and reacted with a backlash to the hype took to calling the Mosin "the garbage rod." If I were a serious collector of milsurps, I'd probably want one to add to my collection. As it is, I have several old bolt actions that are really fun to shoot -- several different Lee-Enfields, an M1917, a Springfield, a Brazilian contract 1898 Mauser, and a Norwegian Krag, and I just find them so much nicer to shoot than the Mosin-Nagants I've tried, that I'm just not not interested in owning the Russian rifle, and wasn't even when I could have picked up the gun for practically nothing. I had the same reaction to the Nagant revolver, back when loads of them were also available super cheap. The couple that I picked up had triggers so abominably heavy I thought the guns might actually be broken. Then add in the fact of an oddball cartridge that would be difficult and expensive to get once stocks of surplus ammo inevitably dried up. The guns just weren't _fun_ to shoot, so even being able to get one for such a low price wasn't appealing.

[@alvinjohnson6772]

I have a Mosin and it never did me wrong yet, now I watched you young buck handle rifles. You miss treat your rifles. And I'm not talking about the fella that made this video

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

I personally feel like Mosin’s are one of the most reliable rifles that were designed to be abused, if someone takes proper care and maintains their rifle, the longevity of the rifle could likely not be beaten

[@rickyjones7013]

Who stop right there these rifles are still 100% viable in this time. Let me expand a pone this. 1 7.62x54R is still out there the Yugoslavia M70 surplus ammo is very affordable a creat of 880 rounds go's for between $389 to $499 us dollars. 2. They are fantastic rifles for hunting, survival, and just for target practice. 3. My final point, if you own a mosin then you either appreciate the usability of this rifle and love having one or your mosin is just a safe queen and never gets used. Don't even be afraid to use these rifles they are made of stout stuff and the barrels are good with proper care, up to 10,000 rounds going through them. I hope this helps everyone out there considering buying one, and the market isn't as bad as he's saying I'm finding them in my area for $399 and under.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@rickyjones7013 I agree the rifles are still viable but it’s hard to compete with modern rifles that are significantly better for a more inexpensive price that shoot more inexpensive non-corrosive ammo, I also agree that you’d buy one of these rifles more so for the appreciation factor more than anything and in regards to the market pricing, it’s going to be different every where, you may likely be in a state where prices are more inexpensive because there’s more rifles to go around, you’ll notice in other comments that people say in their respective state that Mosins are worth even more than I am saying in this video while others are less, if you’re in Canada you can definitely find some rifles for $500 but anything less is a good price.

[@TeamPaulie2520]

699 at a back woods bait shop northwest ohio...

[@jmgjewelers5958]

I bought one over the weekend at a gun show for $470 Soviet m91/30

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@jmgjewelers5958 Good price! Enjoy!

[@nicoderbin5418]

i get red army standard 762x54

[@brigond1]

M38, 9130, M39, 9159, 1907 carbine, M91 , Dragoon , ex dragoon, PU sniper plus, T53 many more variations and countries. Plus an extremely rich History from ww1 up to today. Are the reason to buy one. If you dont care about the history then certainly pick up a modern rifle for the money.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@brigond1 Absolutely, there’s many reasons to purchase a firearm and I agree that purchasing it with the intent of collecting or for historical value is very important and a worthy reason.

[@bennettfender9927]

Tbh I’d say no unless your trying to have a complete collection you can get a Yugo M48 Mauser or a Lee Enfield for similar prices and those are much better quality rifles on average and that’s not even getting into the number of reliable hunting rifles chambered in more common cartridges like .308, 270 Winchester, and of course 30-06 among others.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@bennettfender9927 I agree, I think it’s very dependent on the intended use of the rifle, if it’s for a collection go for it, if you want to plink sure the ammo is cheaper than 8mm or .303 Brit but you can get a cheapo sporterized enfield for like $200 still, non-sportized rifles are like $800+ though, if you want to hunt I would definitely just go into a Savage/Mossberg/Ruger for better consistency in quality and accuracy

[@bennettfender9927]

@@LakesnWoodsOutdoors Dang Canadian prices are wild I got a non sporterized No 4 Mk2 Lee Enfield for just 600 about a year ago and I got a Yugo M48 with all matching parts for just 500 a few months ago. I see Mosins for similar prices in my area hence why I brought that up. Obviously every area will be different.

[@LakesnWoodsOutdoors]

@@bennettfender9927 I am sure you can find good deals anywhere but you gotta be really patient and picky for sure