Is J Sai Deepak Casteist / Trad / Raita? | College Street Kolkata, India i.e. Bharat

Is J Sai Deepak Casteist / Trad / Raita? | College Street Kolkata, India i.e. Bharat | Ashish Dhar

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@onkarpethe512 6 ай бұрын

the straightforward answer is no, he is not.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

🙏🏿

@seeker9497 6 ай бұрын

J sai deepak will blame everything on brits and mughal, daughters are killed in up bihar telengana tamil haryana Punjab everywhere for marrying other caste, but he never blames a single honor killings, because it would show dharmik people doing castism, search female foeticide and sex ratio at birth in up bihar uttarakhand haryana and in many area it is clearly seen that 2-3 crore female foeticide had happened and still happening. But he blames it on mughal. And if u see west Bengal which is known as anti hindu woke state, in West Bengal this castism and female foeticide is not happening. Don't believe me, search by ur self. In facade of being dharmic hindu many states are just acting like muslim. And they never kill their son for marrying other caste, they always kill daughter for marrying other caste, same as muslim dont allow non Muslim son in law but allow non Muslim daughter in law

@reconquistahinduism346 10 күн бұрын

He is.

@gautamrishi4503 6 ай бұрын

A 'trad' is someone upholds traditional customs and values. Nowadays, simple conservatism is often considered akin to traditionalism, which is a flawed notion. The internet 'trad' community is filled with casteist people who may be active as moles of the Congress Party, as i have observed them closely. (I am myself mistaken as a trad by some "raytas" 😂) J Sai Deepak is certainly not an internet trad, as he is willing to praise worthy individuals, regardless of caste. Trads, on the other hand, often seek flaws in people of other castes in an attempt to cancel them, while they remain highly biased towards their own community, even if that is extremely Hinduphobic.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Yes

@International-indic. 6 ай бұрын

Casteist is the term, for what you're trying to allude to as 'trad'. Don't confuse. J Sai is trad but not casteist.

@ObamacareMishra 6 ай бұрын

Bro we have literal p@kis posing as "Upper " castes or Brahmins calling other internet users bad words only so that the reader thinks look at that indoo bigot

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

Does traditionalism mean vegetarianism?

@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

@@Achintyanathit depends upon what kind of traditionalists they are. Like vamamargi or tantric traditionalists will eat meat unlike vaishnav or smarth dasnami trads. Historical IVC people were meat consumers themselves

@International-indic. 6 ай бұрын

Kushal is nothing before J Sai in terms of decoding Indian (Bharatiya) civilization. Kushal is educated in philosophy as portrayed and projected in western system while Sai Deepak contains Indian perspective.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Kushal also had read the Indian perspective a lot. Which is why he is Charvaka not atheist.

@International-indic. 6 ай бұрын

@@collegestreetkolkata9669 he doesn't comprehend dharmic perspective, he tries to pull authority by mentioning shallow western philosophers perspective.

@thedescanteer 6 ай бұрын

@@International-indic. Yep. Kushal is not that important in the larger non-left scene anyway. Woke turned raitas like him and AIM, though useful, must never become primary faces in the Indic discourse. Sham could have taken a different, less populist trajectory had he not met these two during covid. He has made them bigger than they need to be.

@premprasun1516 6 ай бұрын

@@collegestreetkolkata9669do people even know what charvakas represent? It's the rejection of Vedas, it's the rejection of the prime spiritual soul of our civilization. These wannabe Hindu Atheists(the word Hindu atheist itself sounds very stupid and contradictory) have never read anything regarding Bhartiya Sanskriti. They just want to mould and define whatever they have learnt from degenerative liberal modernity into भारतीय व्यवस्था

@HumanityNotDoomed 6 ай бұрын

But kushal is fighting against the left bubble since years may be even before J Sai deepak@@thedescanteer

@parakramdivya6949 6 ай бұрын

If RW doesn't disassociate from the likes of kushal india will most likely end up being wokeistan it fill follow the same trahectory of godless west.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Disagree.

@AyushKumar-fo5yu 6 ай бұрын

@@collegestreetkolkata9669 Do you hate kushal mehra??

@thedescanteer 6 ай бұрын

Precisely.

@66sbjaygoti80 6 ай бұрын

To OP you are completely wrong bro You don't even know how much kushal sir has contributed to discourse

@varunkharayat4251 5 ай бұрын

You have misunderstood Kushal You have to know more about Hindu mind and how does it work

@rhitamgoswami9127 6 ай бұрын

This is bang on. I told this on twitter when they (AIM, Kushal, Nikhil Mehra vs JSD) were about to debate publically hosted by Anand Ranganathan. And I was abused by all of their fanbois and had to delete the tweet. This is currently an ego match between them sadly. They are not looking at the argument. They are looking at who is making them. I agree with you that there is no disagreement between them on the diagnosis of the caste discrimination problem. The difference is in the prognosis and prescription. Abhijit, and more so, Kushal are from the Sarvakarite school of thought which says that eliminating caste is the way to end caste-based discrimination. JSD believes this is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. JSD and Ankit Shah are similar on this front I believe. They believe that eliminating caste identities will create a blank slate for Abrahamic faiths to exploit and convert us. I don't know much about Ashish Dhar, but his defense of the Shankaracharya when he expressed displeasure about Modi touching the idol sounded very casteist to me.

@rhitamgoswami9127 6 ай бұрын

The saddest part is how they strawman each other. JSD I think still tries to explain his position on different platforms which I feel is missing from the other side.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Yes

@rajx7120 6 ай бұрын

Shankaracharya did not oppose Modi touching idol because of Modi's caste. He had two main objections. Firstly, Modi maybe born in a jaati, that was considered shudra earlier. But after getting political power, he is effectively kshatriya. In some temple customs, no one except the priest can touch the idol. Even another brahman not associated with the temple, can't touch. The Shankaracharya's biggest objection was on secularism. These Shankaracharyas belong to age of theocracy, when kings used to listen to them as Rajguru. Today's Indian govt is not a theocracy. So, Shankaracharya objected to head of a secular govt, presiding over a religious ceremony. According to them, only a theocratic monarch who has had a Hindu coronation, is eligible. Remember, Chatrapati Shivaji was originally considered shudra, but he was certified as kshatriya, before his coronation. Because ruling the kingdom is a kshatriya's job, and one has to be first given a kshatriya varna, in order to ascend the throne. I use jaati and varna separately. People confuse the two. Jaati is the community in which you are born. Varna is the status of the jaati, which determines privileges and restrictions. And I would like to say that, the Puri Shankaracharya is casteist as a person because he believes in rigid hierarchy. But other Shankaracharyas are not like that. Sringeri Shankaracharya named Vidyaranya, taught two tribals Harihara and Bukka, to found the Vijayanagar Empire. And Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati, carried out reforms to train Dalit priest. This Puri Shankaracharya is from Bihar, and 80 years old, and therefore, following 80-year old casteist mentality. I hope next Puri Shankaracharya is progressive.

@AS_7419 6 ай бұрын

Jsd, and AIM are stooges of Susu even AR is also part of it, As for kushal he tries to play it safe.

@anonymouslyopinionated656 5 ай бұрын

JSD is tainted by his association with Dhar, I feel. Dhar is definitely casteist. JSD is not casteist in a discriminatory sense, but he probably holds on to too many illiberal aspects of it. I am not for forcible annihaltion of jaati as culture / marriage groups, but I do think people who seek to preserve them also, especially against things like exogamy, are wrong and gross. Personal preference for marriage for example, is very different from lamenting other people not making the same choices.

@unknownartist8543 6 ай бұрын

I almost regularly watch j sai deepak and he is not a trad or rayta. sanatan dharm support defferent view point and open the door for the reforms if any practice does not work for any situation.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@sabertrat 6 ай бұрын

Here from UP. Good to see more Bengalis realize the truth.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

🙏🏿

@ObamacareMishra 6 ай бұрын

Sanatana Dharma is not the "Truth" like others. The whole point of it is so that you can find the truth/your truth.

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@sabertrat I am from UP, Lucknow to be precise. What truth are you talking about?

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@sabertrat UP Government forcing everyone to eat vegetarian food during Navratri, Sawan, and all other Hindu festivals is what according to you? Casteism or traditionalism or something else?

@seeker9497 6 ай бұрын

Why honor killings and female foeticide happen in up but not in bengal?

@Intelcrpto 6 ай бұрын

We can’t put AIM,Kushal in the basket of JSD it’s totally unfair to even call their names together. JSD could be the primary face but not these newly woke turned right.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@HumanityNotDoomed 6 ай бұрын

Kushal has been working way way before in this realm, AIM is new. Kushal mehra has multiple podcast with JSD himself when JSD was nothing.

@Intelcrpto 6 ай бұрын

@@HumanityNotDoomed I am talking about their anti brahmin comments here. Somebody started podcasts on Indian philosophy doesn’t mean they are right. I used to watch him but after hearing so many comments from him I stopped.

@varunkharayat4251 5 ай бұрын

@@Intelcrptowhich type of comment exactly made you stop watching it??

@reconquistahinduism346 10 күн бұрын

@@Intelcrptoreality hurts babe 😂... You are casteist. Believe it.

@rajx7120 6 ай бұрын

Jaati and varna are independent things, that people are very confused about. They mistakenly equate the two. Jaati is like tribe or community to which a person belongs. Varna is status of a jaati. Based on hereditary job and aptitude, varna was assigned to jaati during feudal agriculture, pre-democratic era. Historically, the varna status of jaatis have moved up and down. Typically, kshatriya and shudras have exchanged varna the most, since, both have muscle power. If some shudra became king, then they claimed kshatriya status. And if a kshatriya lost a war, they gradually became shudra. Sometimes, kshatriya like Aggarwals have become vaishya. And vaishyas like Hemachandra became kshatriya like generals fighting against Akbar. There have been shudra kings like Suheldev also. The only jaati, whose varna remained constant were brahman. Hence, name of jaati and varna is coincidental for brahmin. After brahmin, Vaishyas were most stable. It's like bureaucrat ansd businessman are least affected by recessions (aka famine in agri economy) and wars. And society, expected brahmin to be an impartial and independent arbitrator of other people's varna and social disputes. In the absence of such an independent group, every jaati would have been fighting with each other for imposing status. Hence, presence of brahmin was a stabilizing force in the feudal age. Today, this arbitration job of brahmin is performed by Courts, Election Commission etc. Just like today, we obey the decision of these institutions w.r.t to who won elections, we used to obey the brahmana in the past, on who can claim to be king etc. Now, this role has been democratized through reservations, because people of all jaati can join these institutions. Even law-making was the role of brahmin. But today, lawmakers in Parliament, are from all jaatis. So, role of brahman today, has been reduced to just temple priests, and people think brahmin were only that and religion is some brainwashing story. But in reality today's brahmin are a shadow of their former power in society, and played an essential role. And people who have got the privilege of brahmin's powers, still want to be treated as victims and not acting responsibly. And since, brahmin had so much power, there needed to be mechanisms to keep check on that also. This check is done by restricting brahmin from making money like vaishya, and restricting them from eating strength-building non-veg food, like kshatriya. I think problems increased when brahmin violated the rules on money and meat. Heck, not all brahmin want to lead such austere lives, and they want to enjoy less restrictions like other varnas. Now, for this, we should have had flexible system, were a brahman should have been allowed to relinquish his varna, and have someone else, take his place. Sadly, this didn't happen. Basically, whenever the powers of 2 varnas get mixed, it causes corruption. If a kshatriya gets law-making authority of brahman, then it will cause fascism and affect rule of law. If vaishya get powers of kshatriya or brahman, then you get military-industry complex or crony capitalism. When shudras get power of brahman, then it leads to socialism or communism, and we know that, it is good in theory, but not in practice. There is only clamor for rights and not for duties. Thus, anyone should be only one varna at a time, and follow rules of that only. We have achieved flexible varna in democratic times, but people are not acting responsibly.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@curiouskid1547 3 ай бұрын

I quite agree with you. Only that in bengal a number of brahmins became kayasthas relinquishing their previous varna. Probably because they served muslim sultana as scribes.

@ytskt 6 ай бұрын

There's no miscommunication to be blamed for that PGuru episode.... That guy's is a tone deaf patronizing chauvinist... (Although not cunning) Not that I agree with everything Abhijit says, that PGurus fellow is insufferable... Not sure how Abhijit kept a straight face in his videos all these years... It had to happen some day and I'm kinda glad it did and Abhijit stopped gifting him all that traffic to his channel.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

Abhijit rightly pointed out that he(Sree Iyer) belongs to such similar lobby of holocaust denier. On hand they want to correct the abrahamic wrongs happened in India but will only bluff when it comes to caste atrocities

@International-indic. 6 ай бұрын

When from "Traditionalist" started becoming a negative term ! Yea, J Sai is trad.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

Does being traditionalist include being vegetarian?

@66sbjaygoti80 6 ай бұрын

@@yourguyin2554👍👍

@saumyapandey-zr7jd 6 ай бұрын

@@yourguyin2554 so asking to free temple from government control is a casteist agenda ? this guy gullible moron not honest, JSD isn't a trad.

@knottytoob 6 ай бұрын

Bishon bhalo topic. Aamar dhudanto answer = No. Can not, not love Cal. Bengali intellect. Good stuff and kind regards to you and yours. Wishing you rapid de-decimal-isation 9.95 > 99.5 > 995K

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

🙏🏿

@dvikauglaumishrauca 6 ай бұрын

Upword is high quality talk. So is brhat podcast with Pankaj Saxena

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

🔥

@jayantakghosh9793 6 ай бұрын

I so agree with you brother, Nityananda Mishra is one of my favourites. How not to name your child is one video and many of his refuting attempts to all these pseudo Dharmik Baby name videos won my heart as he is addressing such an important matter.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Yes!

@seeker9497 6 ай бұрын

@siddharth_behere 3 ай бұрын

Problem is KZbin algorithm. If videos are not uploaded frequently, it is less frequently recommended. Hence, Nityananda Mishra is less subscribers. Same with Kushal. After number of videos per month increased, his subscription also rose fast.

@sonukumarchoubey4510 6 ай бұрын

I am your new subscriber 😊And your videos are interested 👌. Hope the Awakening of beautiful Bengali will happen again.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Thanks and welcome!

@pramoddhawan3999 6 ай бұрын

Why are your videos black and white??

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

I like the Mrinal Sen vibe.

@saptarshiadhikary3736 6 ай бұрын

@@collegestreetkolkata9669 😂😂😂

@TirthankarGhoshOfficial 6 ай бұрын

Main Fold of Hinduism is basesd on Varnashram System , and there are 4 varnas and various sub castes ( Jatis ) are there within each varna. Varna and jati is by birth So Hinduism without castism is impossible. Arya Samaj Gayatri Pariwar Movement Om Shanti are not Proper Hinduism.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Okay

@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

If it is only about caste and casteism then I don't care if the whole culture dies

@rajx7120 6 ай бұрын

No. Jaati are not sub-category of varna. Jaati and varna are independent things. Jaati is like tribe or community. Varna is status of a jaati. Based on hereditary job and aptitude, varna was assigned to jaati during feudal agriculture, pre-democratic era. Historically, the varna status of jaatis have moved up and down. Typically, kshatriya and shudras have exchanged varna. If some shudra person became king, then they claimed kshatriya status. And if a kshatriya lost a war, they gradually became shudra. Sometimes, kshatriya like Aggarwals have become vaishya. And Vaishyas like Hemachandra became kshatriya like warriors. There have been shudra kings like Suheldev also. The only jaati, whose varna remained constant were brahman. Hence, name of jaati and varna is coincidental for brahmin. And society, expected brahmin to be an impartial and independent arbitrator of other people's varna. In the absence of such an independent group, every jaati would have been fighting with each other for imposing status. Hence, presence of brahmin was a stabilizing force in the feudal age. Today, the arbitration job of brahmin is performed by Courts, Election Commission etc. Just like today, we obey the decision of these institutions, we used to obey the brahmana in the past. Now, this role has been democratized through reservations. So, role of brahman has been reduced to just temple priests, and people think brahmin are only that, but in reality today's brahmin are a shadow of their former power in society. And people who have got the brahmin's powers, still want to be treated as shudras and get lower cutoff.

@surbhivaish6346 4 ай бұрын

ĴSD is the BEST......nobody can stand in front of him.He talk complete sense and rational.

@supasapien 14 күн бұрын

3:11 You said there is no casteism because it is illegal (which is false), then you said it happens only on streets and not in office (again false), then you went ahead and put casteism into an umbrella term "crime" and said crime kahan nhi hota(which is strawman). Brilliant and you guys are reason India will never free of casteism. Just today there was news that 21 homes of dalits were burned on land dispute and Dalit women got raped and killed. There was this guy who pissed in Tribal mans face. All that when it is illegal to do casteism, imagine what will happen when sanatunni will rule the country.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 14 күн бұрын

And houses of those dalits would not have been burnt if they were of rich dalits, unless you'd like to pretend every dalit in India is poor. Crime kaha nehi hota is a fact, you can cope and ask for other terminologies other than a "crime". People like you have prevented the progress of Dalits for 75 years. Time is up. Virtue signalling politics is over.

@ayushnayak4060 6 ай бұрын

6:56 dada, mention your channel as well. As a viewer of all these channels, I think your content quality also deserves so much more reach.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

So nice of you🙏🏿

@nikitajha6500 6 ай бұрын

Abhijit is woke and delusional in some aspects. J sai deepak doesn't comment on everything and anything if he not certain about it. I have watched his video from 6 years ago and his narrative has slowly modified by all the reading and research he has done. Abhijit seems like an Elite to me who may be knowledgeable but doesn't has jamini knowledge about many thing but he has to speak on it regardless.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@nikitajha6500 6 ай бұрын

@@collegestreetkolkata9669 listen to him when he talks about North India.

@seeker9497 6 ай бұрын

@anonymouslyopinionated656 3 ай бұрын

Individual Rights >> Group Rights

@collegestreetkolkata9669 3 ай бұрын

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@agss108 6 ай бұрын

nice intro dada

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

In today’s time the biggest division in Hindu society is Herbivore Vs Omnivore (Veg Vs NonVeg). Reservations in politics and government have destroyed casteism to a very great extent. In fact the reserved castes are more privileged today that unreserved castes

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

India is still a pre industrialised society. Only proper industrialisation and robust scientific prowess can remove casteism from the society like the way renaissance created in Europe and modernization did in Asian countries like China, Japan which too had similar casteist society but today their condition is completely evolved

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 The deepest division in Hindu society today is Herbivore vs Omnivore (Veg Vs Nonveg).

@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

@@Achintyanath although 80% of Indians are non vegetarians 😂

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 Hindu society is dominated by Herbivores. Meat eaters are treated as criminals and fifth class citizens in Hindu society.

@cokedupnormies2651 Ай бұрын

13:38 what about the gender? Or not?

@collegestreetkolkata9669 Ай бұрын

What

@dharmeshparikh7837 5 ай бұрын

I don't know why people make cult out of a single personality. You only agree or learn good points ( Which aligns with your world view) from any person, whether it's J. SAI or Kushal or even AIM. Its hilarious that people in the comment section are fighting for these singlular personalities I mean, it's like following like cult. Ask these people for whom you are fighting mindlessly they would also advise you not to make cult out of them. 😅😅

@collegestreetkolkata9669 5 ай бұрын

True

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

For meat eating Hindus, discrimination comes in the form of being denied rented accommodation on the basis of food and ban on meat sale and consumption during Hindus festivals enforced violently by Hindu Sangathans especially in North and West India

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

How violent?

@MysSo-r8f 6 ай бұрын

I am a beef eating Hindu and stayed with vegetarians for 4 years. How come I never face the discrimination you guys talk about? Oh because I don’t advertise my diet all the time

@proudkaafir5126 6 ай бұрын

Its all in your head bro.

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@@proudkaafir5126 Denial is in your head "bro"

@Achintyanath 6 ай бұрын

@@MysSo-r8f Which place did you stay?

@66sbjaygoti80 6 ай бұрын

Don't know about JSD bcs i don't understand him completely yet. But ashish dhar is certainly castiest.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

😮

@SubstratumMaxima 6 ай бұрын

Very underrated channel despite good content

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Thank you🙏🏿

@vssadineni 6 ай бұрын

First of all there is no such thing as caste. Secondly we have jati, Varna, and kula system. Remember that black and white are not the only colours likewise, in our system the importance is given to prarabdha as well one who is born in neech kula but still shows the brilliance of Gyan he shall be taken and be given education in shastras. A Brahmins primary responsibility is to identify the individual before taking him/her as a student. But in general some of the knowledge is for all like karm, Dharma, prarabdha, their respective Varna, kula Dharma and so on.

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

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@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

Who the hell defined a section of the society as "neech" kula or untouchables? These stupid definitions do not really makes any sense

@vssadineni 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 Well you have no problem with the word labour class. It is so hypocritical when people use words like bastard or fuck off it sounds sophisticated but if the same is said in mother though it seems abusive. Neech is equal to lower

@vssadineni 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 You know nothing, not to touch is maintained within the house as well, one who is cooking for the offering to God has to maintain, so that no dead skin or hair fall in the dishes. Now you have glows and masks but back in the old days they cooked wearing wet clothes. We are not supposed to touch. them. Your biased notion and opinionated fantasies have no bounds. Do you use wipes or water to wash?

@vilasosc 6 ай бұрын

No he is not and cast descriminatiin is not written in any dharma shastra stop this bullshit

@collegestreetkolkata9669 6 ай бұрын

Debate harder.

@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 6 ай бұрын

You are wrong regarding this perception of yours. There is casteism in literally every Dharmashastras be it of Manu, yagyavalkya, Parashar, etc. even in other scriptures itself such as Brahma Sutra, Apastamba samhita, Purāṇas, etc.

@vilasosc 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 show with proofs in original dont refer western and leftist translations. I know how this perception is built so dont give me the established without context meaning of it. Wrong translations and half truth can easily help wrong perceptions

@saumyapandey-zr7jd 6 ай бұрын

@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 what you mean by casteism, inequality between varnas ? then it's true.

@seeker9497 6 ай бұрын

@@saumyapandey-zr7jd give it "sanskari " Name like varna but meaning doesn't change. It is birth based and most so called dharmic people will always make it birth based. How many women and men married to a lower varna in your family?!