Is Jai Ready for Production?

[@khenstot]

"Web is dragging all the tech behind" *Stream gets cut off*

[@Goodwarrior12345]

Little-known fact, but Jai is an acronym that stands for JAvascript Interpreter

[@Kknewkles]

The question that interests me is, _is production ready for JAI?_ 🤔

[@TsodingDaily]

Jon's waiting until the world is ready

[@Evan490BC]

@@TsodingDaily By the time Jon "decides" to get a clue and open his little "treasure" the World will have moved on to 10 other alternative languages.

[@salim444]

​@@Evan490BC and even then jai will be a revolution

[@Evan490BC]

@@salim444 Yes, like 3D television... Have you seen it lately? I'll believe it when I see Jai, *and* its flourising community.

[@salim444]

@@Evan490BC yeah you're correct, I just thought my line was a good comeback

[@pokefreak2112]

Jonathan Blow loves JavaScript so much he built his language on top of it

[@niceplayer1276]

17:47 instant response

[@CrossbowBeta]

The long awaited Odin stream is finally here.

[@shrddr]

spotify has made billions literally selling an electron-based mp3 player that's the state of software industry

[@KuroOnehalf]

Good lord, spotify is so bad. Every time I open a spotify page on my browser my whole page chugs for a few milliseconds. Literally my mouse skips frames.

[@dealloc]

It's CEF, not Electron but yes still terrible.

[@RotatingBuffalo]

they haven't made billions off of the application, they've made billions by charging for the service of having access to their enormous collection of music on demand. their desktop application still sucks though.

[@hedlund]

​@@RotatingBuffaloBillions? I thought they only broke even for the first time a couple of years ago?

[@Muskar2]

@@hedlund People commonly mistake revenue for net profit. 2024 was the first year Spotify made a profit, and they've lost several billions over its years of existence . I have only skimmed their financials, and it looks to me like their cumulative profit is still negative. Feel free to correct me on that though.

[@shubhampawar7921]

At this point I'm not even watching zooing for code but rather the nuggets of knowledge like color pallet, long arithmetics, etc

[@hcblue]

I can't believe we get to worry about 32- and 64-bit on BROWSERS of all things

[@flachlappen]

15:22 Yes you are right! I'm also impressed by your pronunciation of the occasional "Scheiße" and "Meine Freunde".

[@benitoe.4878]

As a German: He is not too bad at it. German lends itself to swearing quite a bit.

[@dizphunkt]

We can't see Scheiße in this Mist :P

[@dealloc]

19:40 Number represents double precision floating numbers. So the maximum safe integer value would be 2**53-1.

[@rubyciide5542]

Is Azozin ready for production?

[@trongtrancong2540]

1:16:53 fillStyle accepts value of CSS, which means you can use color functions of CSS such as rgb, hsl, oklch, etc. instead of doing it manually like this.

[@heavymetalmixer91]

"Web is dragging all tech behind." Indeed, that's why JS is still alive.

[@alst4817]

Meesta Azzozzin is getting better at clickbait titles! You’re the best man, keep on with recreational programming!

[@welly7973]

-Jai is JavaScript - yeah, exactly.

[@senkrouf]

yes, its about freedom.

[@jespergustafsson7664]

jaivascript

[@Marhaenism1930]

JaiScript

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

1:41:44 truly continuous memory would mean you could store an infinit amount of information in any given region. Between any 2 numbers, there is always an infinite amount of numbers such that it's between then,thats how real numbers are.

[@cyanmargh]

And it's also means continuous instructions

[@drdca8263]

What if you could only measure the average of the data over an interval, and the narrower the interval, the longer the read operation took? (I guess the realistic thing would be requiring higher energies to access the info, but that’s no fun, and taking a longer time seems the next closest thing) Ah, but hm, how would you do a write operation? I guess you could add or subtract the same value to everywhere in your chosen interval. Or like, add or subtract whatever value would make the average value be the value you want to set it to. Maybe the time for the reads and writes could be like, (C_1 • (1/width) + C_2 • width ) for some positive constants C_1 and C_2 . That might be a fun make-pretend memory model.

[@Muskar2]

Not sure I understand the discussion entirely, but computer numbers are not like math. Computers have finite bits in the hardware registers, so there's no truly infinite ranges. An f32 only has 2^32-2^24 possible values. 1 possibility of Infinity, another of Negative infinity and 2^24-2 of NaN. For f64 (double) it's 2^64-2^53 possible values.

[@drdca8263]

@@Muskar2 I was interpreting the previous comments as being about “what if computers, except that memory wasn’t finite, and memory addresses were indexed by either real numbers or rational numbers or something like that?” as a fun unrealistic hypothetical

[@Muskar2]

​@@drdca8263 Sure, me too. But in the CPU a 64-bit floating point is the same number of bits as a 64-bit integer, they're just structured differently. And in the floating point way, you lose a lot of possible memory values to the many NaN values. And generally, I think it would be worse because CPUs inherently can't be very complicated (without sacrificing performance) and the predictability of floating point addressing is likely even harder than integer ones.

[@benitoe.4878]

Always good to see an Emacs user satisfied with new tooling. Heavy jblow vibes here ;-)

[@jonatasbaldan]

1:27 "jai is javascript ai" LOL

[@Muskar2]

Converting inputs of sin() and cos() to radians is harder to reason about, and is literally double the work, since virtually any math lib divides by quarter pi as its first operation. And you lose precision on the most important values (ordinal directions). Instead use "turns" or half-turns. I believe JS's circle drawing doesn't support turns though, so the primary benefit of turns is that they're easier to work with before handing them over to libraries. Basic helper function example: function arcTurns(context, x, y, radius, startTurn, endTurn, counterclockwise = false) { const tau = Math.PI * 2; context.arc(x, y, radius, startTurn * tau, endTurn * tau, counterclockwise); }

[@dankduelzperuvian]

2:29:39 what are you using to do the multi-caret editing in Emacs?

[@aiba7604]

Looking at his statusbar, a new mode appears called "mc". Googling "mc emacs" sent me to the GitHub repo of the project, and it turns out it is available on melpa as "multiple-cursors".

[@the.monologue]

who is this guys, whats his name im completely incapable of watching this video if he does not state his name every single time

[@BrazilMentionedHueHue]

I think it is mr Blow. J, but I don't remember

[@drdca8263]

Tzoding/Tsoding

[@the.monologue]

@@drdca8263 (i was joking)

[@zomg-rofl]

mr soda bing

[@multicoloredwiz]

Its mr zozing. Glad I could help!!!

[@christianbouwense4702]

He starts making the game at 55:15

[@creo_one]

When you have yes/no question, but it's 3,5h long video of just furious development The funniest type of clickbait

[@puncherinokripperino2500]

what's The Krampus OS?

[@tecchie-z]

I had problems with a function returning string from jai to wasm it becomes BigInt, is it possible to send string from jai and retrieve it in the console log without it being BigInt?

[@chillyvanilly6352]

what an absolutely amazing educational stream! thankful that you uploaded it! 🙏 the level and amount of knowledgable you my "ochem harasho" Sir have is just stunning! Yet one thing that I suppose kinda "bothers" my when looking at such coding styles is not explicitly stating the types (or at the very least where not obvious) assuming statically typed lang, or type hints like Py & JS (via JSDoc) support. And this isn't meant to be mean or anything, just saying ✌ Always glad to see you doing these kinds of vids :)) Cheers! PS: I would have wanted to do this comment via "Super Thanks" comment and donate this way, but seems you might not have this enabled (perhaps for some good reason?)

[@groultaria6732]

Hey just wondering what is this zoom and circle tool you use when you want to show something. It looks snappy and simple. Is it some OBS thing or an actual seperate software? Thanks

[@BrettMonet]

its tsoding's own software I think you can find it in his github

[@XDjUanZInHO]

It's quite simple, if it has LSP and a dap debugger (or gdb compatibility), yes :D

[@multicoloredwiz]

1 minute in i learned that jai is a toy scripting language ! Thanks a mistuh zozzin!

[@chad-ed2vn]

does anyone know the extension that he used to zoom in? 1:58

[@zvonimirr]

it’s called boomer, you can find it on his github

[@gharial3234]

It's a utility he developed himself - it's called Boomer and is available on his Github.

[@Arbiteroflife]

I think this is something he built, I believe I watched him build it on stream one time.

[@semihkaplan]

I guess it was called boomer, written in Nim by himself.

[@chillyvanilly6352]

02:12:06 AH! nice, another "Tsoding Out of Context" GOLDEN clip right here haha 😆

[@manasg6002]

45:02 is the feeling for which I code

[@yiliu9526]

What font do u use, looks really nice

[@dominigon]

I think it’s Iosevka font

[@Gyo15]

How are you supposed to get the Jai compiler?

[@Muskar2]

It's not public. And getting in the closed beta is very contested, sort of hidden away and handpicked based on undisclosed criteria. They've actively discouraged us from bringing too much attention to how to get in since they have a massive surplus of applications for their needs and it sounded like it was becoming and administrative burden at one point.

[@Gyo15]

@@Muskar2 Totally understandable, is there anyway to get the compiler please? I'd really like to try it out.

[@Muskar2]

@@Gyo15 Sharing it is obviously strongly prohibited and results in an immediate ban, if that's what you're asking for. I really only have two options for you: 1. figure out how to apply, put a lot of effort into the application and wait/hope for the best, or 2. Watch more videos of other people using the compiler, like this one. Or the Q&A videos. Until then, you just have to accept that you can't get it. And before I got in, I checked out other interesting system languages like Odin. Good luck

[@Gyo15]

@@Muskar2 I imagine that is prohibited sharing the compiler since it's not public. Anyway, thanks for the advises even though It's not clear the steps, I'm costantly looking for interesting languages like Odin or Zig. Wish you the best.

[@ar_xiv]

Odin has enum arrays, and a lot of other neat enum things

[@mattanimation]

fun zig stream

[@GoldenLion5648]

Would it be possible for the code made in the stream to be uploaded to github?

[@TsodingDaily]

Sure github.com/tsoding/infinite-pong-jai-wasm64

[@chillyvanilly6352]

45:17 Mr. Tzozing has used "Allergic reaction to Default Allocators!" ...but it wasn't very effective

[@VACatholic]

"it's sus that jai ships with binary blobs" says the guy running a compiler owned by someone else. Strange concern. Perhaps the "Reflections on Trusting Trust" paper should be shilled again.

[@vacyyyy]

bro not the rust compile time attacks

[@acquite]

are the chat captions not working?

[@TsodingDaily]

Should be fixed now

[@acquite]

@@TsodingDaily thankies!

[@AloisMahdal]

49:36 Zig mentioned, let's go!

[@the.monologue]

tsoding is in jai? based

[@klirmio21]

enable subs at 17:31

[@Protoex]

Is the logo on the thumbnail oficial?

[@ujjawalsinha8968]

2:26:03 Did his camera just followed him?

[@EmiLoomistar]

How about trying Odin From what I've seen is a lot like Jai

[@SlinkyD]

Janky Abstractions & Indirections should never be in production unless it the only way possible.

[@hubstrangers3450]

Thank you....

[@slamdunk33]

Binding of isaac gaming stream when!

[@cordestandoff2358]

Вроде скоро день рождения Терри🎉🎉🎉 Ждем видосика об этом

[@EEEEMMMMKKKK]

More than 10 years ago John said he want a better programming language now not in 10 years, how hard it can be? 😃

[@azharalibhutto1209]

Great ❤❤❤

[@dullyvampir83]

How do you decide which functions to implement in jai and which you have to implement in javascript?

[@TsodingDaily]

I just generally try to implement as much as possible in Jai, but if something can be only done in JavaScript, I do it JavaScript. Just a general rule of thumb I use.

[@heavymetalmixer91]

Ready for production? Is the language even out to be used by everyone?

[@MurtagBY]

Why there is "even" in this?

[@heavymetalmixer91]

@MurtagBY English isn't my native language.

[@dnkreative]

My int is big, my int is very big

[@craftrumzen2393]

yea, it isn't

[@blzr8]

bro 9 minutes in how

[@TsodingDaily]

Betteridge's law

[@welly7973]

Yesn't

[@eckhardt092]

Yain’t

[@Highwind_]

I feel like I dodged a bullet when I decided to ignore Web development back in 2016 and went straight to learn C++ just to not get a job in this industry XD. (Perhaps it was the Industry who dodged the bullet.)

[@purpasmart_4831]

I'm sorry tsoding, I haven't been watching your videos the last month. I've been busy creating my own debian Linux distro. Also learning awk finally. My skin is getting paler ive noticed.

[@Tryh4rd3rr]

If a person using emacs asks if it’s ready, it’s probably not.

[@edhemavdagic6664]

HUGE if big!!!

[@blobbb]

"its huge of bigg" hahahaha

[@SlinkyD]

Code Bubble Up Like Soda Pop You done FAFO all of programming, ain't it mane.

[@LALO-cv4ck]

2:03:34 First try 😮‍💨

[@UserHero]

please someone tell me what keyboard is he using?

[@LeysTeamProsperity]

So Lovely you are famous!

[@RustIsWinning]

1:45:19 In your what HUH??

[@921Ether]

do you sell compiler for $?

[@androth1502]

jai doesn't exist.

[@zizzyballuba4373]

Is Jai Ready for Production? No.

[@Gigasharik5]

Wait a minute... Does this language really exist?

[@Evan490BC]

Deleting comments that you don't like is not very clever. I'm saying that again: languages with viable and *existing* communities are C/C++/C#, Rust, Zig, Odin, V, etc.

[@lattechocolatte3326]

man's the number 1 JAI hater

[@User948Z7Z-w7n]

JavaScript

[@Evan490BC]

@@User948Z7Z-w7n Javascript definitely, but it's not competing in the same space as Jai. Altough with WASM you never know...

[@emptycode1782]

ok man no one denied that lol

[@thesenamesaretaken]

Does V belong in that list?

[@brambasiel]

It's unreleased, so no.

[@AshtonSnapp]

/tsodiŋ/

[@puncherinokripperino2500]

seems like this language still doesn't exist...

[@cestlextase]

i wasted my 20s and 30s trying to get into tech. I would of got more job opportunities and better life outlook by spending 20 years in prison.

[@Evan490BC]

Ready for production? It's not even public yet! No thanks! There are other languages out there, with viable *communities* , I'm done with vapourware.

[@Tezla0]

What languages for example?

[@jespergustafsson7664]

wtf is a viable community lmao

[@Evan490BC]

@@jespergustafsson7664 Don't worry about it, carry on...

[@Evan490BC]

@@Tezla0 C/C++/C#, Rust, Zig, Odin, V, almost every other *real* language.

[@Evan490BC]

@@jespergustafsson7664 (My other comment got deleted for some bizarre reason.) You are *hugely* underestimating the difficulty and value of creating a community. Rust did the best in that respect.

[@bugloper]

Web desease. Ouch