Is Jesus Begotten, Eternal or Both? w/Pastor David Lynn | CFM Montreal Evangelism

[@mercyrickert8987]

For those who think David is preaching Jesus is not God but simply a man and we only worship God and not the son ; David is trying to have a breakthrough to muslims and so its a slightly different approach, its a very sensitive way to get through to their hardened hearts, you have to sometimes meet them where they are at and work your way up. David is trying also use "muslim words" and when he preaches to the unsaved it is a different approach. The Goal is to bring people to Jesus and each person comes in different ways.

[@anakatana777]

"he who has seen me, has seen the Father" -Jesus

[@fisf.2148]

Amen ❤🎉

[@6D1R2E]

That is saying "looking at how I walked, you have seen how my FATHER walks, I am HIS spitting IMAGE." This does not mean He and THE FATHER are the same being.

[@nataliuselyanto210]

⁠@@6D1R2EWhat you’ve just said is right. There’s a distinction between the Son (flesh) and the Father (Spirit). No one has seen God at any time, but the only begotten Son of God, has declared it because Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God who is a Spirit.

[@6D1R2E]

@@nataliuselyanto210 Agreed 🤝

[@claudiad.-hw1fs]

I love the gentleman next him(who is not part of the conversation) but actively listening. I hope he learned something new. God Bless this ministry.

[@ricardooconnor2362]

He probably gets the most out of what Brother David was saying.

[@farshadnoravesh]

God bless Pastor David Lynn who is one of the best preachers in the world. Jesus is Lord.

[@julielapierre7]

Pastor David Lynn...has caused more discussions in the public forum on Christ ,religion and Societal standards vs Biblical standards than all the Pastors in Quebec combine in my past 35 years as a Christian. Praise God for your ministry Pastor Lynn.

[@ben_teezy]

JESUS IS GOD

[@PP_Derrick]

Jesus said he is Son of God when he was accused of being God by the Jews in John 10.

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

indeed!

[@sosapablo1789]

Jesus also said “before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58) which is a direct reference from the Old Testament name of God.

[@PP_Derrick]

@@sosapablo1789 Typical lie. You just need to have a FULL understanding of what's being talked about. I am is not the name of God. The Context of the passage speaks of his existence not his name. Yet, it is not his physical existence as Jesus did not exist physically until hundreds of years after Abraham's death. His existence was in the mind of God, of being his Salvation plan. He was foreordained/foreknown before the foundation of the World (1 Peter 1:20). He was the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the World (13:4). And How do we even prove further is that in Exodus 3:14 in the OT is in no way related to the I am in John 8:58. It's because the Septuagint Greek Translation has the 2nd half of Exodus 3:14 as “The one who is (ο ων) has sent me to you.’” The translators of the Septuagint do not use “egō eimi” here, instead they use ο ων (“ho on”). So if John was meaning to communicate that Jesus was claiming to be YHWH, he would have used “ο ων,” instead, he uses “egō eimi.” In Conclusion , God is YHWH. He reveals his name directly in the next verse, Exodus 3:15 as YHWH. Also, there is obvious bias in the translation of this verse as well, in any other place where ego eimi is used in the NT, for example the blind man, in John 9:9, it translates as "I am he", not I am". The blind man was not saying he was God, so in the context of John 8:28, it is Jesus saying I am he? Who is he? He is the Christ, the one human that was prophesized in the OT.

[@itsJustgotti]

@@PP_Derrickhim saying he is The Son of God is blasphemy in itself and the Jews knew this because if you are The Son of God your equal to him in Nature and Essence which is no one that has he’s Essence and Nature but Jesus. Jesus is equal to The Father in Essence and Nature which is why they have the same abilities and has only been seen together ever. He is externally begotten proceeding from The Father. The Jews claim he made himself equal to God which he is in Essence and Nature not in Authority

[@mariloumalapitan2783]

Jesus was with God before everything created. And Jesus is GOD..

[@TruceForChrist]

AMEN 💯🙂

[@6D1R2E]

That has been a huge misconception from lack of knowing the origin koone Greek texts. But to fully cut down the lies that Jesus is GOD THE FATHER who incarnated as a man👇🏽 He was an Exalted Divine Being Servant IN THE BEGINNING of creation called ♥️The Dayspring Morningstar♥️, who was subject, commanded by GOD as a servant, and caused to know His place by ABBA YHWH THE ONE TRUE ELOHIM as written in Job 38. When NT says "He was with GOD and was God, or God manifest in the flesh" Greek texts says Theos which means "Deity" (Divine Being) manifested in the flesh. And for THE FATHER, it says "Tov Theon" (which indicates Source of Divinity). For Yashua, His True Theos Divine being nature who came in flesh is given in the New Testament "The Dayspring" and "The bright Morning star" which checks out in Job 38 as a being who is exalted high and commanded by GOD THE FATHER, but many westernized Christians ignore that. New Testament evidence claim: John 17:5 5 And now, O FATHER, glorify thou me with thine own self with 👉🏾THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.👈🏿 [That former glory BEFORE THE WORLD WAS]: 👇🏾 Revelation 22:16 [16]I Yashua have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the Called Congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and The Bright 👉🏽MORNINGSTAR.👈🏿 [Old Testament Proof of Morningstars In the beginning of Creation BEFORE THE WORLD WAS]: 👇🏾 Job 38:4&7 [4]Where wast thou WHEN I [ABBA] 👉🏽LAID THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH?👈🏿 [⚠️in the beginning] declare, if thou hast understanding. ... [7]When 👉🏽The MORNINGSTARS👈🏾[Plural] sang TOGETHER, and all the sons of God [Angels] shouted for joy? [Now we have established He was one of the Morningstars in the beginning who sang before the angels. Let's see which of The Morningstars He is!]: 👇🏾 ⚠️OLD TESTAMENT Claim: (Job 38 continued) Job 38:12-13 [12] Hast thou commanded 👉🏾the morning👈🏾since thy days; and caused👉🏽The Dayspring👈🏿 [Christ] to know His place; [13] That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that THE WICKED MIGHT BE SHAKEN OUT of it? NEW TESTAMENT PROOF: Luke 1:78-79 [78]Through the tender mercy of our GOD; whereby 👉🏽The Dayspring👈🏿 [Christ] from on high hath visited us, [79]To give LIGHT to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into THE WAY of peace. [That establishes Yashua as The Dayspring Morningstar IN THE BEGINNING who GOD commands, so let's see who the other Morningstar is. (Job 38 continued) 👇🏾 Job 38:14-15 [14 ]It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. [15] And from THE WICKED THEIR LIGHT IS WITHHOLDEN [Darkness], and 👉🏽the high arm👈🏿 shall be broken. [Satan, Lucifer, lesser Morningstar in Isaiah 14:12 [Notice how Satan of the wicked who withheld the light (darkness) is being called "the high👉🏽ARM👈🏿 that shall be broken"? Guess who is the "Holy Arm" in Isaiah 40, 52, and 53?[Yashua Morningstar] 👇🏾 Isaiah 40:10 [10]Behold, YHWH GOD will come with strong hand, and 👉🏽HIS Arm👈🏿 SHALL RULE ➡️FOR HIM:⬅️ behold, HIS reward is with Him, and HIS work before Him. Isaiah 52:10 [10]The LORD hath made bare HIS 👉🏽Holy Arm👈🏿 in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our GOD. Isaiah 53:1,10 [1]Who hath believed our report? and to whom is👉🏽The Arm👈🏿 of YHWH revealed? ... [10]Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he halth put him to grief: 👉🏽when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin👈🏿, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Yashua was not GOD THE FATHER MANIFEST IN FLESH, He was The Dayspring Morning star manifested in flesh. He is a Divine Being of YAH, placed into Mary and conceived, as A Divine Man. If He was a Highly Exalted Divine servant called the Dayspring Morning star in the beginning of creation, when did He ever become THE FATHER in flesh? He didn't! That is deep rooted heresy from lack of diligency and satan infiltration of The Nicaean Council/Nicolaitans Trinity heresy doctrines christ warned about that He hates, in revelations 2:15-17.

[@elinelly-ricky979]

What an interesting conversation. 🙏🏽

[@yannika6914]

God Bless You David Lynn! ❤✝️🤗

[@yveroseleopold1686]

GOD JESUS CHRIST Be with PASTOR DAVID LINN, cover him protect and bless him on his difficult streets mission. Bless his family.

[@RaptureIsNEAR7634]

This is what I pray .......let the love of our Father the grace of Jesus Christ and the compassion of the Holy. Spirit rest and abide with all who believe in Jesus Amen

[@jaromudesigns2636]

Thank you for posting this conversation. Like this gentleman, I was having the same quesrions about your latest tactics. I knew you had a reson behind it, but i couldn't see it. This explains it perfectly. Thank you. May God keep blessing you and your family.

[@hayleybennett6715]

Thank you David ❤ you have helped me with some questions I’ve been asking the lord 🙏

[@cs77smith67]

Welcome

[@hampham2000]

Spread the gospel to everyone especially your family and friends

[@brando3342]

Really glad this gentleman brought his concerns to David, as it was exactly how I was feeling about some of David's recent videos. I had a feeling David was just trying to appeal to what specific people know at any given time, but it is good to get clarification on his position.

[@jacquelinehayward3011]

Jesus is God our creator we are the created

[@joelercoaster]

Excellent point with the phone

[@christianquingcong227]

JESUS IS LORD

[@JenniferMukendi]

Very good explanation, God bless you Abundantly Pastor David Lynn your treasures in Heaven are so many

[@supertrucker99]

Jesus is all as he said i can do nothing without THE FATHER...for In GOD nothing is impossible.

[@GustaveLeDisciple]

It’s simple. In God’s realm, God is Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The trinity is a correct doctrine. In Human’s realm, Jesus-Christ is the Messiah, Son of God. He is the perfect image of God the Father. Through his incarnation we know and worship God the Father. The human’s realms put emphasis in the life-saving humanity of Jesus in his death but also RESURRECTION life. (Matthew, Mark, Luke, Paul) The books of John put emphasis in the God’s realm. David is putting emphasis in the human’s realm. It’s the best approach to convert Muslims. After becoming Christians, they will have the revelation of the God’s realm and worship Jesus too.

[@a.syching678]

​@@GustaveLeDiscipleif they can't accept Jesus as God, they won't accept him as a way of Salvation . David also insulted Christians with the christianese thing. Christianity isn't a religion, it is a relationship with Gid through Jesus, you are called a Christian because you've believed in Christ. Is David not a Christian?

[@GzizSpeaksFax]

Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to GOD

[@BeStill-zy5ye]

Jesus is the creator

[@cryptochofo7288]

They look at David with such respect and awe due to the Holy Spirt provided by Jesus, I can only imagine how Jesus students looked at him and acted around him.

[@DiscipleShaynePlaylist]

Begotten, translation = 1 of a kind, no other like Him. Jesus IS Alive!!! ⛪️💕🏃‍♂️💨🌍

[@brando3342]

Amen, "begotten" = "Unique"

[@samueljesuschristestseigne8228]

Shalom! Jesus Christ is the word of God begotten from the Father (Divine Soul) by the power of the Holy Spirit (spirit of God) who searches everything even the depths of God (Father: Divine Soul)! This invisible word of God became flesh, then took shape in order to accomplish the plan of redemption for mankind! The Father (Divine Soul, Elohim, through whom all things come) and the Son (word of God being always unique God but as another spiritual element of the Father: Divine Soul, Elohim) are only one (unique God and no triune God) by the power of the Holy Spirit (spirit of God)! In the same way that the man Spirit was made in the image of God who is Spirit and is therefore composed of the same spiritual elements which form his unique person (human soul, human spirit and the word of the man who was engendered from the soul by the spirit of man probing the depths of the soul, a few months after his birth)! The word which is a spiritual element different from the soul and the spirit will have the role of communicating through the spirit, the hidden intentions of the soul to the physical world! It's a spirit and life language, the flesh is useless! Jesus Christ is still unique God but as a spiritual element different from the Father (divine Soul, source of Being) and from the Holy Spirit (spirit of God)! As the human word is always the unique man but as a spiritual element different from the human soul and the human spirit.

[@PP_Derrick]

It means Jesus had a beginning. It shows he as a Son had a beginning as well. He is not eternal. His start of life was when he was conceived by the power of YHWH's spirit,and only given eternal life when his God raided him from the Dead.

[@brando3342]

@@PP_Derrick You’re just factually wrong 🤷‍♂️

[@PP_Derrick]

@@brando3342 Jesus has a God. And didn't affirm he was God. And pointed to his Father as God. His Apostles taught the same. The only one that declares he is God almighty is YHWH

[@lifeinthespiritt.v1402]

God job brother keep doing what you doing ❤

[@gerardsymonette8906]

That's deep stuff David. Great is the mystery of godliness. His thoughts, His ways, and His Self is as high above ours as the heavens are above the earth. How dare we think we have God down pat?

[@Rude_Boi]

God Bless you David Lynn.

[@Believe_On_The_LordJesus]

Read the Bible it can save and change your life 📖👀✝️🙏

[@AntGray13]

your ministry is very inspirational to me. keep it going! may the Lord be with you!

[@BrokerDave]

This is a very edifying discussion. Thank you for sharing it.

[@jesussays216]

Wisely spoken David

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Amen, Three Personhood One God. Colossians 1:15 “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation”

[@Oathfps]

Are there any verses where any of the godhead members say they are #1,2, or 3 in the godhead? Just curious.

[@Oathfps]

@@truman5838 amen! He is God Almighty🤝🏽

[@sosapablo1789]

@@OathfpsYes, entire testaments actually. The Old Testament show’s us the Father and prophecies the coming of the Son, then the trinity is revealed when the Son takes on flesh and claims to be God (John 8:58) and is called God by His apostles (John 12:41) then the person of the Holy Spirit is revealed on the day of Pentecost to our present day.

[@Oathfps]

@@sosapablo1789 so why does Hebrew 1:1 say Jesus was the expressed image of The Father and his person and not The Expressed image of the son?

[@Oathfps]

@@sosapablo1789 Why did Jesus say when you see him, you see The Father?

[@ourdailybread1099]

The Father calls Jesus God and Lord. Hallelujah! Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 - Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Glory to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, one God, amin.

[@lorenllbj88]

1 John 5:7 KJV For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Yessir!!

[@Simsam-b1d]

Great work 🙏🙏🙏

[@Oathfps]

God in all his glory, Sent a full manifestation(a full copy of himself) that he sent into the world(creation). The Messiah was the image of God(the flesh was begotten and born) and The Spirit inside was the fullness of The Father then in humbleness he took upon himself no reputation.

[@davefk]

That was a great video. The format of the discussion made me feel like l was just sitting opposite you, listening and learning.

[@BigCheeseBoss]

Amen amen my YESHUA 🙏🏼❤🙏🏼. I love how Pastor David used taking a photo of himself to explain created / creation...this really help me understand how GOD can exist outside of time. I seen Pastor David use it in another video...Thank you 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼

[@sarahlegere5770]

Please come to Moncton, New Brunswick!!! We need a revival of the gospel!

[@hhhfdfgdfgfgfg2249]

im glad David Lynn cleared the video of the preaching to Muslims, and i had same thoughts like this young man who asked from David Lynn this questions.

[@SirKnight7]

Man this is soo good

[@a.syching678]

David , if Paul never mentioned Jesus as God then what is this scripture? Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. I'll tell you why he doesn't say God the Father and God the son Jesus is so that people won't mistake it for being two different Gods.

[@Airic]

Yep, I agree... and this is why it's important to reintroduce the reverence for *Arianism!* Reading Arius' theology is what brought me back to Christ! *Proverbs 8:22 (NET) says Wisdom was created,* and we know Wisdom is one of many aliases for Yeshua. The sooner we restore *Arianism* as a respected denomination, the sooner all the Muslims and Mormons and JW's etc. will return back to the scriptural exegesis of God, whether that's Nicene Trinitarian or Arian we can debate that until He returns, but meanwhile we can finally move forward as a body and spread the #Postmillennial mission! Let's restore *Arianism!*

[@yveroseleopold1686]

YES, YES,YES, JESUS IS GOD. JOHN 8 V. 58... JESUS SAID TO JEWISH (( BEFORE ABRAHAM I WAS.))

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

Awesome

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

God was in creation, for God was Christ. Is Christ and is to Come again to this very creation to rule the world from Jerusalem.

[@justinsmitley7619]

The correct translation is God so ever loved the world he gave his "unique" Sun

[@gazruss1984]

You know your on the right track when people start rebuking you and trying to get you to change what your saying...just for preaching the gospel EXACTLY as they did it in the book of acts!

[@chuckchuck80]

whos rebuking who?

[@gazruss1984]

@@chuckchuck80 it is a rebuke....it is done in a very subtle method thats presented as concern. ...but the whole point is to make Pastor David realise that hes doing it wrong....and change the way hes preaching.

[@PP_Derrick]

No one preached the nonsensical non-biblical term 'eternally begotten'. No one preached that Jesus was incarnated. No one preached that Jesus was God because God entered creation to show that he was God.

[@chuckchuck80]

@@gazruss1984 I personally didn't see any rebuke on his part. I think the man has a view and he came to pastor David in scepticism on what he believed about Jesus being eternally begotten. Rather than coming with a straight up sharp rebuke

[@chuckchuck80]

@@PP_Derrick what ???

[@SpeeAD]

David is FIRE wonderful explanation

[@fisf.2148]

No, Don't praise David, praise God who is working through David and giving him the words to explain. He is just a servant of God

[@SpeeAD]

@@fisf.2148 ain’t no one praising David lol I’m honoring him

[@user-xd1ff9sp4oFrankAgyapong]

Proverbs 8:1 to end show u that Jesus Christ was the beginning n end

[@godtalk9645]

Emmanuel 🙌🏼

[@NickOtis0707]

As a Christian I really don't care about how many likes or reviews this video got of my brother and Christ David I care about truth and what he is speaking is truth and this is a very powerful dialogue and conversation with two brothers and a body of Christ having a nice peaceful dialogue and this should be handled like this all the time. Because as Christians we have conversations and dialogues between other people that not are in the body of Christ and these people are being negative and rude we still need to be nice to them and show our character like Christ Jesus of his spirit that abides within us the holy Spirit and the holy Spirit will teach us the fruit of the Spirit. I love how pastor David explains the Lord's word if it's moslems or Jews or even non-believers as a little child can understand. As a Christian my human mind can comprehend the trinity but at the same time when I understand and heard about the Trinity and had a layout of it on a bulletin board when it says about the Trinity that the father is not the son and the son is not the holy Spirit but the holy spirit is not the son and the holy Spirit is not the father but the holy spirit is the father and the holy Spirit is the Son. If there's any brother and sister in the body of Christ I can correct me hear of a love that because it's always good to support one another and the body of Christ and help each other out to grow much more wisdom and a Lord's word but also maturity and strength. For myself I'm a slow learner I grew up in disability classes and I hung out with young kids that had down syndrome and different kinds of disabilities. Had trouble reading doing math and solving some problems even though yes I was a smart person in different areas in my lifebut now I'm a lot older am I reading is a little bit better in my math is a little bit better but I still have problems reading plus I was a premature baby and I was hooked up to breathing machines for about 2 weeks. One thing I need to remember it's the Lord used Paul the apostle and other brothers and sisters in the body of Christ that are not smart and the Lord mold them into a beautiful pottery where they grew in wisdom and knowledge. If we practice one thing in life if it's reading we become better at reading just like if we're not knowledgeable in the Lord's word and the Old testament and the New testament and we don't read the Lord's word we're not going to grow spiritually strong and spiritually knowledgeable of who the Lord is but if we take our time and meditate on a Lord's word then slowly over time we will grow more spiritually wisdom within the Lord's word. For some it might take them slower than others to grow more knowledgeable within the Lord's word and get to know the Lord's character. But we should never make fun of a brother or sister in the body of Christ that is a slow learner then others even if a person is outside of the body of Christ we should be patient with one another and to listen to one another and I have a nice dialogue and conversation as humans...✍️✝️❤️🕊️🇺🇸

[@najekosims1580]

That's honestly one of the hardest question to answer I genuinely believed that Jesus was created but over the past few years have come know to that he existed in the beginning with God. Honestly am still looking for an answer

[@harrisonzhang8115]

Amen

[@mrhow2712]

This is how I understand it. The same way if I'm a king then my son is also like your king, And you give him the same reverence you would give me as a king. And because I love my son and he loves me we don't put a hierarchy amongst ourselves we see ourselves as equal, But because we are not perfect beings we are not TRULY equal with our kids. This is how I think God's relationship is to his son, I believe God is like the king and his son is our God also and because they are perfect beings they are equal and They are exactly alike because they are perfect beings, That's why to know son is to know the father I can't pretend to know what role the holy Spirit plays but I know he's part of the godhead. Clearly the things of heaven are beyond our understanding at this moment. We are from a created universe and we are used to things being created, we are not capable of understanding eternity, or eternal things, These are things God will reveal to us when we enter our heavenly Spirit bodies.

[@jesustruth7292]

Eternally existing as a part of Gods own being expressed through birth as the logos… the perfection of God.

[@jesustruth7292]

God knows both good and evil. His Son Jesus knows only good……. And it’s the heart of God expressed…

[@ndumisoduma1240]

@Davidlynn if you see this, please read "Christ our Righteousness" by EJ waggoner

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

Meditate on this David: 14 And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - John

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

The Word was made Flesh, the Word is God Almighty Jehovah, He became FLESH, the Flesh of Christ is Divinity, and overall he is God. Christ could already be worshipped before the Holy Spirit fell on him, as He still was God Almighty Jehovah sent by Jehovah from the Heavens.

[@christsforgiveness]

i have. fir 27 years. you?

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

@@christsforgiveness And yet you get it wrong and fail. 27 years, the other guy I talked to who ended up denying Christ as God Almighty yet had been a believer in it for 40 years. ( I send the last email to him to you by the way to the ministry you are part of ) Jesus is God in the Flesh - you are sowing confusion on the topic and the Mohammadans know it as well and is not helping anything to compromise on the truth to build a bridge to them by compromising on the true teaching of Jehovah in the flesh. Is the Flesh God? Is the Word God? Did the Word become Flesh? Is Christ altogether God, yes, did God die, Yes, did he resurrect? Yes. Jayshua all in all is God Almighty who was dead and now forever eternally alive forevermore.

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

@@christsforgivenessTruth does not have an age, I came out of the Satanic occult New Age around 10 years ago. Please reconsider the teaching you are promoting, because even the Mohammadans know you are off as well not keeping to foundational truth on this just to try to make them happy. Is Christ the Man God in the Flesh, you better believe it!

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

@@christsforgiveness And as you can see, I'm not the only one trying to point it out to you, who finds something very strange in the teaching. Nearly Everything else you preach is correct - but how can you slip on the most important thing. Just take it into consideration - there is a reason why some people speak up on it, and you just seem to try to slide it off. This is not good. The sting of Christ is not something we should compromise on, we are not people pleasers, but Truth Preachers. Please take you time to reconsider and think it over - as the guy said, it nearly sound like the so called Jehovah Witnesses - and I would agree, something is just not right here and I ask you to please think it over. Jesus is God in the Flesh, that is foundational Christian Truth. He was God already before the Spirit fell on him at his water Baptism, he could and was worshipped already before that point by some.

[@darshawnyorrick9877]

THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST IS GOD OF OUR FATHERS ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB

[@Adonaymekonnen]

I see that u have done a lot of research on it! God will help u and believe the truth and testifies it about our lord jesus and his God efs1:1

[@graywisdom7875]

Love the conversation. Nonetheless, to add to the conversation we must and should only use the scriptures because as it's written, " whatsoever was written aforetime was written for our learning, so that us through patience and comfort in the scriptures, might have hope." It's also written, "Great is the mystery of godliness, God was MANIFESTED in the flesh." That man that proclaimed to be Son of God, was man ( as in begotten, created, the body had to grow because it's written that Jesus Christ of Nazareth grew in wisdom, the man also slept, experienced hunger, temptation) that man also housed the Divine Spirit Nature of The One True Living God (hence it is also written, Jesus said "I do nothing of myself but as the Father dwells in me, He doeth the work" Jesus also said " I come in my Father's name.") So as you can, Jesus Christ is the son of God because that body was created for the ultimate atonement for the sins of the world, and as the son of God he showed obedience unto death. Remember God CAN NOT die but that body Died. Jesus Christ is also God because the scriptures states " And to with that God was in Christ reconciling the sins of the world unto Himself." 2 Corinthians 5:19 [19]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Did you read that, GOD WAS in Christ, so Yes!!! Jesus Christ is Lord, Hallelujah!!! After all we have only ONE God, One Lord, one faith and one baptism Ephesians 4:5 [5]One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Ephesians 4:6 [6]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

[@edmundpunduma5791]

The man of Nazareth is both God's perfect man and Man's wounded God. He is all in all. No one and fully explain Him. He is only believed and received. Because His deep speaks to Man's deep

[@slomothechosen]

The word is eternal. Jesus is the word begotten in flesh. The word and God are the same.

[@andrewsett]

Thank you David this obsession with Jesus bieng God is not neccerssary Paul made it clear what is necceressary is beleif in the death the burial and the resurrection.

[@rosahacketts1668]

The problem is we Christians try to explain the trinity by human logic. Instead of letting the hearer know that as God is eternal and can do anything why would it be impossible for the Father Son and Holy Spirit being fully God at the same time and this even though Jesus laid aside his deity when he came to earth he was still God

[@PP_Derrick]

No sense is complete nonsense. Meanwhile the plain sense is God is named YHWH and Jesus is the man he Anointed, ordained and raised back up from the dead, and this man now sits at the right hand of his God.

[@Adonaymekonnen]

@@PP_Derrick amen this is the truth!

[@Adonaymekonnen]

No where in the bible is the concept of trintiy ; people try to understand it but because of its nonsensity no one can understand it! Trinity is human made teology that devil use to decieve christians

[@PP_Derrick]

@@Adonaymekonnen Wise you are then.

[@sosapablo1789]

@@PP_Derrick then why did Jesus refer to himself as God ? “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58) which is a direct reference to God’s name in the Old Testament. Not mention John referring to Jesus as “the Lord high and lifted up” from Isaias temple vision. (John 12:41)

[@-_Gioh_-]

I have a question, does anybody else cross reference Bibles in order to see what they each say or do you guys simply accept the most revered or the most accessible Bible? Because when you read multiple other “variations” and compare them, you start to see the subtle changes in the phrasing, the wording (aka translation), and syntax (which is by far the most underrated and under discussed differences). God does say to read, listen, and observe with discernment so…

[@ricardooconnor2362]

Begotten simple means what Brother David said, brought forth. It can only be begotten if it always was and chose to come forth at a time and period in time. Begotten and Carnated means the same thing.

[@Thanos-kp5jr]

Jesus is the begotten Son of God meaning that he is one of a kind sharing the very same nature as the father. Jesus is eternally begotten from the father. The Son is uncreated along with the father and the holy spirit

[@netta9948]

I would love to listen to teachings if you have any

[@adamwithouteve8691]

Christ was created. He was the 1ST spirit created out of every other spirit (Specifically for the most highs purposes) and Christ created everything else after.

[@adamwithouteve8691]

@@KsM-285 Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: The book of enoch explains everything as enoch saw christ. The Romans took out and denied the book of enoch for many purposes. This being one of them.

[@jamalsmith9265]

@@adamwithouteve8691look up the Greek word for first born my friend.

[@ANewCreation408]

@@adamwithouteve8691Firstborn = The Highest Rank

[@kasmot1978]

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. (proverbs 8.22)

[@reuelnaidoo9909]

The greek word for begotten is unique meaning Jesus is the one of a kind, unique, SON of GOD

[@santiagoaldana1060]

Please pray for me I have tried to give my life to the Lord but the temptation of the devil has won several times. I feel He called me but now took away that calling and gave it to someone else because of my disobidience and incredulity. Please pray for me I do not want to go to hell. I want once for all give my life to God. I want to be his child please pray and help

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.

[@Tru_Love81]

People need to know Jesus is God because his father is GOD. Just like whatever your father is thats what you are. Wether human, lion or gorilla. His father is GOD so He is God. He's also made flesh so he can operate in the earth realm. Son of Man. He is begotten!

[@ChristLikeBaby]

❤❤❤

[@champion3859]

Liss Mama liss🥺

[@WilliamJohnson-ft4du]

I understand "begotten" the way the church fathers phrased as "eternally generated." I tend to look to Mich 5:2 - "One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity." (BSB) This is demonstrated in the theophanies of the Old Testaments and of course the accounts in the NT. The most notable of which is the incarnation. As David explained Christ was present at the beginning of the world and we can biblically say the universe. I believe we can also look at it this way. Before the universe began there was no time. Time began at the beginning. So to speak of the eternality of the Son is really difficult to get one's head around. But it's true. He's God and we're not. One church father put it, the Son exists because of the Father, but the Father did not exist before the Son." They are co eternal.

[@Emmanuel0]

Hope you will be back in Québec..can i have the telegram group. Thks

[@optimisticbear9617]

I appreciate how Pastor David Lynn describes why he believes Jesus is God and how it's not an easy concept to understand. The difference between eternally begotten and just begotten isn't so significant that trinitarians and unitarians should be in conflict.

[@sosapablo1789]

It is when Jesus explicitly claims to be God in (John 7:58) “before Abraham was, I am.” Which is a direct reference to the Old Testament name for God. Not to Mention John referring to Jesus as “the Lord high and lifted up” from Isaias vision. (John 12:41)

[@optimisticbear9617]

@@sosapablo1789 That means Jesus pre existed Abraham. Not debating theology.

[@sosapablo1789]

@@optimisticbear9617 so Jesus claiming the Old Testament title of “I am” simply means he pre-existed ? 🤔

[@sosapablo1789]

What did God tell Moses his name was when Moses asked Him? 🤔 and who does Isaiah refer to as the great “I Am”

[@optimisticbear9617]

@@sosapablo1789 This is why people find trinitarians annoying

[@coopzie1382]

Is there a church opening in Sydney?

[@Oathfps]

As I see The Godhead is that The Son was just a manifestation of The One True God and that he was manifested in the flesh since he needed to shed natural blood so he took on flesh.

[@soldado23]

Look up the Scientific definition of Energy: Was not created, has always been there and doesn’t have a begining nor an end. Does that sound familiar? The Alfa and The Omega.

[@dannyfaganjr5082]

The only part that confuses me with the picture of self is that, Jesus Said The Father is in Me and IAM in The Father. Scripture also says that God was In Christ reconciling the world unto HimSelf.

[@PP_Derrick]

Because his explanation is not Biblical so of course it's not going to make sense.

[@dannyfaganjr5082]

@@PP_Derrick what is ur understanding of Christ?

[@PP_Derrick]

@@dannyfaganjr5082 The Christ is the anointed one. Who anointed him? God did - Acts 2:36, which shows that someone has a position of authority higher than him to be anointed. The Father is God. Jesus is the human being he anointed. These are two separate persons, not God entering into creation "through" an image incarnation. Yes, it was God who dwelled in Jesus, and was with Jesus, guiding, leading, teaching him to do his will.

[@nia5169]

monogenes - one and only

[@Jesus-is-the-only-one]

Those who are confused heres whats up Jesus is God in human flesh God is Jesus but God is a different being, a being that we can’t comprehend or explain but Jesus came to Earth as a human like us so we recognize God in A human Flesh so we can see him as a body a hand who has eyes and who can see we can’t see God because like i say we can’t comprehend his power and his look but we know he is a human form or maybe because why because God is a loving God A love for someone is having a heart

[@mrmrsgus5378]

I can explain the trinity. It's like marriage when two people get married they become one. How is that possible? How can you explain that? One in unity not one in body....Jesus and the Father are perfectly one with one another. In fact Jesus said I do nothing of myself but only what I see that Father doing .... perfect in unity ...I am in the Father and the Father is in me

[@mekygrenz6573]

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭12‬-‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭17‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭7‬:‭55‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45‬:‭5‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@platinumt3425]

The Trinity is the truth 🙏

[@PP_Derrick]

Sure if truth means nonsensical, full of contradictions and unexplainable, and a mystery.

[@JesusIncarnationYHWH]

​@@PP_DerrickNope, only you muslin didn't know about christian, only mocking on christian fvck islam

[@kingdom__knowledge7073]

Ever since God was he was 😂😂😂 lol I love pastor David Lynn but that was a good question to engage in

[@christsforgiveness]

what’s so funny?

[@nikokapanen82]

Unitarians who believe that Jesus was created later believes that God the Father was not the Father in the beginning, He was only God and became the Father when Jesus was created. This is false. God the Father was always the Father because He always had a Son.

[@samueljesuschristestseigne8228]

Shalom, everyone! May God (Father: Divine Soul) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (word of God being God) bless you and strengthen you by the power of the Holy Spirit (spirit of God). The trinity is a heresy that stems from syncretism as well as other pagan doctrines, festivals and traditions! It was officially promulgated at the Council of Nicee marking a separation with what was taught before! Indeed the prophets, Jesus Christ, the disciples and the apostles never taught this devilish pagan doctrine of the trinity but rather that God is unique! All this is mentioned in the word of God which does not mention the trinity at all but rather the uniqueness of God! The language of Jesus Christ is Spirit and Life, the flesh is useless! We must be filled with the Holy Spirit so that God reveals to us the spirit and life hidden meaning of his word! Thus God the Father represents the divine Soul (Elohim), the Son of God according to the Spirit represents the word of God still being God (Jesus Christ) who became flesh thereafter and the Holy Spirit represents the spirit of God! These are 3 personified spiritual elements forming a single Being, each having their role and a spirit and life relationship between them and not 3 persons forming a God because the source of the person is the Soul being the consciousness and God as the man do not have 3 souls but one soul! The Word and the spirit are connected to the seat of the person being the soul! the Father (Divine Soul, Elohim, seat of desire, will, thought, imagination, intellect) through whom all things come is the source of Being who has engendered by the power of the Holy Spirit (spirit of God) his divine word (Son according to the Spirit) in order to create the physical world and to manifest the hidden purposes of the Father (divine Soul) to the world! The divine word being always God will be the testimony, the reflection, the imprint of the source person being the divine Soul! This word of God became flesh afterwards in order to accomplish the plan of redemption for humanity, but it was invisible beforehand as our human word is invisible! The Holy Spirit is the link between the Father (Divine Soul) and the Son (Divine Word), the spirit that probes the depths of the Father (Divine Soul) in order to bring up information (word, inner language of the Father: Soul speaking by the Holy Spirit) to the divine word (Son, Jesus Christ) so that the latter makes the information audible by interacting with the physical world! It is spirit and life! This is why Jesus Christ (word of God) says that these words do not come from him and that he receives the teaching of the Father (divine Soul) who speaks and does the work in him by the Holy Spirit (inner words, mental images etc) and in parallel it also evokes that the Father (divine Soul) will speak in us by the Holy Spirit (word, interior language of God) when we go before the courts as it is the Father (divine Soul) who revealed by the Holy Spirit (word, inner language) to Simon Peter that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and not flesh and blood! It is also the Father of lies (diabolic soul) who reveals by the spirit of the devil (word, inner language) to the Pharisees that Jesus Christ has a demon so that they can pronounce it by their word! Thus God who is Spirit (Father: divine soul, Son: divine word, Holy Spirit: spirit of God) made man Spirit in his image (human soul, human spirit, human word)! The flesh of man is dust and was not made in the image of God! The trinity is further crucified by the fact that Jesus Christ (word of God) is the first born of all creation (begotten of the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit) ... if we assume that this word is a person different from the Father and not a different spiritual element always forming the same person.. this means that God was a duality (Soul, Holy Spirit) and not a trinity before the begetting of the word of God (Son according to the Spirit) and it is so goes human word, which is generated a few months after the birth of the baby! This word will be a another spiritual element forming only one person with the soul (consciousness, source of Being) and the spirit and not another person different from the soul and the spirit! This doctrine is further crucified by the fact that if the Son (divine word) is another person of the Father (divine Soul) and not another spiritual element...this person of the Son who would be God is submitted to God the Father, who is greater than him and all, who is omniscient unlike him, who begot him, etc. .. he would therefore not have the attributes of God! This heresy is revealed by the fact that it is the divine word always being the same person (but as another spiritual element) which is submitted to another spiritual element (Father: Divine Soul, source of Being) by the power of the Holy Spirit (spirit of God)! But the Father (divine Soul) and the Son (divine word) are only one (unique God) by the Holy Spirit (spirit of God) as the human soul and the human word are only one (unique Man) by the spirit of man! Amen

[@nikokapanen82]

@@samueljesuschristestseigne8228 No, my friend, it is you who is one big heresy for spreading such deception as this.

[@Adonaymekonnen]

GOD can be the father for angels and other beings in the spiritual world, GODNESS cannot be limited whether there is a son or not, he himself without any thing is GOD and father of all creation and everything, this doesnt proof jesus is eternally son, if he is eternally son why didnt God glorify his son from the begining not only on the new covenant, coz the son jesus in known even by the angels after he is crucified hebrew 1

[@nikokapanen82]

@@Adonaymekonnen God the Father was and is eternally that, the Father because He always had God the Son with Him. He did not become the Father when He began to create other beings. And Yes, Jesus did exist before the creation: "I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed." John 17:5

[@samueljesuschristestseigne8228]

@@nikokapanen82 Shalom may God our Father ( divine Soul, Elohim) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ( word of God being the only God made flesh afterwards in order to accomplish the plan of redemption for mankind) bless you and strengthen you by the power of the Holy Spirit ( spirit of God) , wonderful creature made in his image who is Spirit ( human Soul, spirit of man, word of man)! God the Father, represents the source of Being through whom all things come and who has not been begotten ( divine Soul, Elohim) ,the Son of God according to the Spirit represents the word of God who is still God being unique but as another spiritual element of the Father ( divine Soul, Elohim).This Word of God was spiritually begotten (Word begotten of the Father: divine Soul by the power of the Holy Spirit: spirit of God, who searches the depths of God) in order to become the first-born of all creation through whom the world will be created! This Word of God has not always existed, and so it is the first-born of all creation who will be at work with the Father (Divine Soul, Elohim)! Just as you are made in the image of God, so your human word came after your human soul and your human spirit! Before your word was spiritually engendered (from your human soul by the spirit of man) a few months after your birth, you were aware of being a unique person without your word existing! And when your human word was added to these two spiritual elements (human soul and human spirit), you were still conscious of being a unique person! So in God's word, there are no expressions such as "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit", which are merely doctrinal additions to justify the trinity stemming from the syncretism between authentic Christianity and paganism, just like Christmas, and so on. But the apostles, moved by the Spirit, spoke up and said that there is only one God, the Father, that there is the Son of God, the Son of the Father, and that there is only one Spirit, the spirit of our God! The Father ( divine Soul, Elohim) is in the Son ( begotten word of God always being one God) and the Son is in the Father through the Holy Spirit ( spirit of God) as your human soul ( source of Being) is in your begotten human word and, your human word is in your human soul through the spirit of man! We're talking about 3 spiritual elements with their own role and a spirit-life relationship between them, forming a single person! The Son ( God's word being one God) who is still one God but as another spiritual element of the Father ( divine Soul, Elohim, Source of Being) and the Holy Spirit ( God's spirit) have life only through the Father ( divine Soul) just as man's word and man's spirit have life only through the human soul ( source of Being, seat of thoughts, feelings, desires, will, intellect, imagination)! The Son (the word of God, always being the only God) always does the will of the Father (Divine soul, Elohim), driven by the Holy Spirit (spirit of God), just as the word of man is supposed to accomplish the will of man (human soul, source of Being), driven by the spirit of man! But these spiritual elements, personified in the word of God to mark the jargon spirit and life as regards God, form a single person. So the terms Father and Son according to the Spirit have nothing to do with the terms Father and Son according to the flesh, because otherwise, according to Trinitarian logic, God the Father would also be Father of the Holy Spirit, having him as his son! But the term Father according to the Spirit is linked to the source of Being through whom all things come, who begets all things, who has not been begotten) and the term Son according to the Spirit is linked to the word of God begotten of the Father (divine Soul) by the power of the Holy Spirit (another spiritual element of the Father who is still one God, one person but as word) through whom are all things and through whom we are! For God the Father ( Divine Soul, Elohim) created everything through his begotten word ( always being himself but as another spiritual element having its role) just as man ( Human Soul) reveals himself in the physical world through his human word always being himself but as another spiritual element of the human soul, the source of his Being. 1 Corinthians 8 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Proverbs 8 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. 32Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. 33Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. 34Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. 35For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. 36But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Ephesians 4 ► King James Bible 1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Colossians 1 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

[@ifiok-dan7926]

Yeshua is the SOURCE! The last Adam who is a quickening spirit. The second man the Lord from Heaven.

[@evangelesong6319]

Is Jesus alive today? Yes, he is, sitting on Gods right. He is alive, but not as man. He will open the scroll, but not as man. Jesus has always existed; but not always in the form of man.

[@chris-ioannou]

When London?

[@0dteESmini]

begotten into human form..... not hard to understand. God is literally the Creator.. he can do whatever he wants in his power. People don't truly believe in His power.

[@karinaday4690]

The phrase begotten refers to the death and resurrection of Christ, In this sense he is begotten

[@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893]

God is not seen yet Seen. How to explain this? When people saw God, they saw Jesus!

[@richhomieduke7400]

Psalm 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God? 1 Corinthians 10:4 And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

[@LuckyLuchiano-g8o]

🤔 I think it's both, because the scripture says he's both..... before he was Conscious, he was part of the Living Substance, or Essence, of God namely "His Power," and His "Wisdom," which is eternal, these together become "Gods Word," before God gave that part of him Consciousness, he was "dead" that's why the scripture calls him "The Firstborn from the dead." Not only is he made of the Substance/Essence of God, and therefore God is literally a part of him and within him, but God also expresses Himself through the Son, they exist in Unification, a perfect bond of union, a type of "Synchronicity" like in that new Jennifer Lopez movie "Atlas," when she synchronizes, with that Robot.

[@edgarmorales4476]

The truth regarding the human state of Jesus was, by common consent of the disciples, suppressed to give greater credence to the supposed "Divinity" and ministry of Jesus. According to the gospels, it was said of Jesus that he was the "only Son of God." Why then, did Jesus frequently refer to himself as the "Son of Man?" Jesus specifically made these statements to counteract the beliefs in his "Divinity" and to impress on the minds of people that he was of the same physical origins as ourselves. Jesus intended them to understand that what he could do, they could also do if they only had his knowledge and followed his instructions for right thinking and right action. So many myths have arisen around the earthly person of Jesus and the SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS of Jesus that it is time to be rid of them as completely as possible, since they are preventing people from evolving spiritually. Those, who have been indoctrinated with religious teachings, must try to understand that when describing the life of Jesus, the disciples related only what they personally remembered which fully supported their account of the "supernatural" activities of Jesus. The disciples also included much that had been spoken of Jesus by others, during the 30 odd years following the death of Jesus. After such a lapse of time and inevitable embroidery of truth - how could the disciples possibly write an authoritative "biography" of Jesus and of what really happened... or properly explain the true spiritual perceptions of Jesus which gave birth to the words and "miracles" of Jesus? Only one person can write from this standpoint - and that is Jesus himself. Therefore, the Christ Letters and A Course In Miracles will bring you the TRUTH in a way that no spectator could possibly tell it, no matter how well they thought they understood the thinking of Jesus. If the TRUTH expressed in the Christ Letters and A Course In Miracles differs from much written in the New Testament, is it to be wondered at or rejected? For that reason, Jesus has returned - through the medium of the Christ Letters and A Course In Miracles, or through those who can communicate with the dead - to describe his life and his teachings over 2000 years ago.

[@Captain8877]

There is only one God the Father. 1 Cor 8.6 Simple

[@ryann8752]

"He came forth from the Father, AND into the world" Jesus is the Father in visible form. God is invisible; hence, His image wasn't formed until prior to creation/time, but He is the Father's image so we can't say He is created as we understand creation. If the image is part of the "trinity" then we can't say God is invisible, for a third of God is visible. The trinity stems from Mystery Babylon. The Spirit is the Father in ubiquitous spirit form listening to their conversation in this realm.

[@a.syching678]

In the original greek it says monogenes which roughly translates to one of a kind and not begotten so there's your answer. Jesus is the one and only son of God , we are adopted children through Jesus so we can be called the sons and daughters of God by having faith in him.