Is Kanye West’s ‘ye’ Good Or Bad? | For The Record

Following an elaborate listening party in rural Wyoming, Kanye West’s new album 'ye' is finally out, and it has already sparked heated debate. In light of West’s vocal support for Donald Trump and controversial comments about slavery seeming like “a choice,” some have turned their back on the musician they once loved. Others have decided to give the music a chance, but have come away from 'ye' with mixed responses.
On the latest episode of Genius' 'For the Record,' Rob Markman sits down with Hot 97’s TT Torrrez, 'BET'’s Mouse Jones, and 'Complex' and 'Pigeons & Planes‘' Brandon “Jinx” Jenkins to discuss the new project and each panelist’s current feelings about Kanye.
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[@genius]

How does 'ye' rank among Kanye's discography?

[@c418enjoyer4]

It’s ok

[@nickcarvalho2947]

1.Mbtdf 2.College dropout 3.Graduation 4.808 5.Late registration 6.Ye 7.TLOP 8.Yeezus

[@beigegecko]

third best after college dropout and late registration

[@elivoegel]

top 5

[@corsicanrose2853]

Genius it's a great album. Wouldn't leave made me tear up. It's not his best though, I don't think I'll spend as much time as this as on MBDTF or TLOP

[@buddyscott3490]

The fact you all picked different albums as your favorite album .. shows he is one of the greatest all time

[@user-zk2oi6bs7b]

Ye the goat of this gen

[@losbaby1044]

@@user-zk2oi6bs7b nah ALL TIME

[@Ro1Up]

Shorty likes College Dropout cuz she's the lightskin friend look like Michael Jackson.

[@ryanpolo1187]

Ro Methazine G.O.A.T comment

[@nara0dhipa]

lmao

[@jordan12118]

Big facts

[@Madqapsart]

Underrated comment

[@genysysscott9244]

😂🤣

[@africasupreme3]

lol how this debate longer than the Album

[@alishaxoxos]

Africa Supreme Exactly!

[@oyewalesolana3726]

hahaha shit is boring

[@henryleonardo3544]

😂😭😂

[@rickeybobby0530]

😂😂

[@edricksno9650]

Kanye get criticized for good production....SMH

[@phenomenonnarutokun]

So My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy isn't even a contender for best album of his discography?! Come on now.

[@vinnychase-billz6913]

Luffy1045 not a ye fan but that was one of his best in my opinion

[@arob_3k]

It was his best

[@BlackJesus2047]

I know right! I was dead ass shocked.

[@huey6248]

masterpiece

[@str8dominican]

MBDTF is one of the best albums I’ve ever heard from any artist, period.

[@JaeLee85]

I lost track of how many times the woman cut everyone off.

[@jakekling1763]

they're talking about unfinished thoughts. the album says "bipolar" on it. unfinished thoughts is the whole point

[@rowanfaris200]

ahead of your time fr, still tryna tell people this

[@adamd.3571]

He is on record saying he wanted to take deep, layered tracks and throw dirt on them and strip them down to the bare bones so the lyrics would be the star and people would listen to his message about mental health. Amazing. This and KSG are phenomenal and idk why people always trash them.

[@krisjackson6567]

The album is gorgeous and it is transparent. People want him to break down every thing he said regarding Trump and Slavery BUT HE ALREADY DID the same day and in the rest of the interview. I do agree his lyrics were a little lackluster but when your listening to Kanye your basically listening to art and have to appreciate it as a whole. The album was great.

[@olivialayne06]

I really want the girl to stop cutting people off while they’re in the middle of talking 😬😩

[@SantiagoSernAZ]

Olivia B comment on this so they give her the q

[@noraqubaia3942]

Olivia B right???

[@evangilio6711]

Olivia B init

[@TheGramps01]

Jinx’s thoughts on the project were so well put together and brought up compared to hers too.

[@loumoney1018]

Olivia B she is almost disrespectful with it too. Let people finish their thoughts... damn!

[@ThisIsApollo23]

7 songs were perfect, no fillers, 7 solid songs that I dont have to skip. Being able to not skip a song on an album, I believe, makes it a amazing album.

[@williamwright7417]

Apollo Kreed Right. Believe it or not...a lot of Kanye albums if you really listen to any of his whole albums it all boil down to 7 hot songs anyway. The rest is hit or miss

[@xaiikuu7955]

There are plenty albums like that, longer than 7. He just had a weak lineup.

[@shnye]

@@xaiikuu7955 ghost town, violent crimes and no mistakes are some of the best songs ever made.

[@sblove99]

“I don’t take advice from people less successful than me” -ye.

[@AKDREEZY]

DJ Abaka Facts

[@Murmurrr]

That's actually really foolish look at life like that lol. Read a book, many successful businessmen will tell you they listen to anyone, and don't judge people's worth by "success." Don't be a simpleton. Please read books.

[@debodatta7398]

8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.

[@sblove99]

murrrmur sorry got to call BS on that...why would any artist sit up here and listen to a bunch of sideline armchair critics? The point ye was really making is the majority of people that want to give opinions and criticize haven’t done shit to be successful in their own lives or they’re building their success on the coattails of real artists. Facts. Yeah And I read a lot and I know that all of the best artists who have a legacy in music history have never given a shit about what lame ass critics say.

[@youknowwhatyoureabsolutely4307]

The only reason he likes trump is because he’s more selfish than Kanye & likes the idea of having it all like trump appears to be able to do whatever he wants, that’s incredibly lame buddy.

[@youngp4464]

Everyone is complaining about a 7 song album without realising we're getting another 7 from kanye + cudi tomorrow. Thats 14 fresh ye tracks essentially. Plus all the production he's been doing for pusha, nas and Teyana.

[@arob_3k]

Ye's best album was my beautiful dark twisted fantasy .

[@marquaviushortonyt8178]

Alex Robles best cover 😂😂

[@TheSD91911]

facts. No one talked about it at all like tf

[@dcta51]

I like Late Registration

[@jadacra]

I like how they got people that *actually* know what they’re talking about jinx is underrated

[@will506]

6 Jinx is the best

[@z7513]

They gotta keep these kinda group coming @genius we will watch

[@williamsmith8910]

Post-808s Kanye is increasingly his true self. He was putting on a show College Dropout - Graduation because hiphop and the greater "black community" never accepted him. He didn't feel free to express him, he never did. You can hear it in College Dropout. He always felt like the outsider, he was the kid with pink polo's and skinny jeans in the Jerseys and baggy pants era. His whole life he's had to balance being himself and being a part of the homogenous community that he is apart of. He has done a ton of work expanding the acceptable identity of a black man and like 808s and Heartbreaks, 'ye' is another great leap forward.

[@genretypebeats4612]

I agree with everything you wrote till you said " He has done a ton of work expanding the acceptable identity of a black man " That's is just not true

[@frappymood4452]

I think he help make it more acceptable to be vulnerable, look at drake and cudi for example and all this auto tune crooning sad rap coming out. Most of these guys say 808s & Heartbreak were big influences on them

[@MarioSantos94]

The side eye that Mouse was giving TT when she was talking about Hot 97 had me weak.

[@djy8504]

Can she please stop interrupting everyone...

[@marvingamez9057]

Focused too much on the man and not the art. Ye was a beautiful album.

[@Beautifulglenda]

Exactly, they barely talked about the album

[@shotbynolan1705]

Marvin Gamez That’s his fault

[@matthewsylvester1448]

This comment is spot on, I’m 25 mins in and they haven’t talked about the music at all. Touched on the lyrics a LITTLE BIT, but no commentary on the music

[@marixcx]

Shot By Nolan No, to do an album review you need to actually talk about the album.

[@shotbynolan1705]

[mari]- girl groups They’re talking about album made by the man

[@Rizziculous]

"pacifically what do you mean"

[@juschill1]

Exactly

[@ceceliaarmendariz7526]

Came to the comment section pacifically for this.

[@PhazeWun]

And this is a person who makes decisions about what we should be listening to

[@obvi]

Lmao

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

nobody is telling you what to listen to. To bash an opinion just because a person has a different accent and mispronounced a word is ridiculous. At least attempt to think critically for yourself.

[@clevelanddean17]

Far too many people want are are stuck on the "college dropout" kanye. Thats not him anymore. It was stated that this album didnt sound like a complete thought. That seems to be the thought....he designed it to not come across as a polished complete thought because that is where he is and if you hear his colleagues talk thats how he relays information right now. This was kanye's 4:44. He is not a rap artist anymore, he is an artist that raps...there is a huge distinction there. Not his "best" (not far from it imo) but FAR from even bringing "his worst" into conversation.

[@jermoosekek1101]

cleveland dean 3rd best behind BDTF and College Drop Out

[@mav3476]

Cease600 ur opinion u can keep it

[@barcodescanner3214]

@@jermoosekek1101 that's a shit opinion hope ur taste has evolved in the two years

[@jermoosekek1101]

@@barcodescanner3214 I’m taste gravitates more to the more robust music, I’d say BDTF, College Dropout, and Jesus is King

[@barcodescanner3214]

@@jermoosekek1101 oh Jesus Christ (literally get it hehe) ur taste has devolved

[@DonaldSnowsnake]

Jesus let the man talk stop interrupting every one damn

[@StevenBerns]

For real, you can't come to an understanding when you don't let each other finish sentences.

[@Isaac2.]

Jinx and Rob are the only two from this video that has the etiquette to hold a proper conversation. The girl interrupts constantly and doesn’t let Jinx finish his points. At 17:54 Jinx has enough & didn’t let her cut him off again 😂

[@theyutube6549]

Kanye broke a matrix many ppl still want to live in.

[@trinni1621]

I personally love Ye and MBDTF but 808s heartbreak and graduation got places in my heart

[@PacMan-ev7dz]

🙌🏽

[@musakhan490]

1.tlop 2.lr mbdtf 3.808s 4.ye cd 5.yeezus

[@kingjames4053]

Late registration

[@jwalls1223]

808’s & HEARTBREAKS IS KANYE WEST BEST MOST REAL IMPACTFUL IMPORTANT ALBUM NOT ONLY IS IT HIS BEST WORK OF ART ITS THE BEST ALBUM IN ANY GENRE DEADASS..

[@victoriaappiagei1482]

1. college dropout .2 late registration . 10 graduation 6. dark twisted fantasy

[@shutyobtchassup1641]

Personally, I feel like this is musically and emotional one of rawest Kanye albums we’ve had in a while. While the production and is still incredible, it’s a lot more simple and striped away from the glamorous vocal and productional affects. And over the top intense production (not saying I think this is anything bad). And while it may not be the best Kanye album ever, it’s still a very good and well put together album. Lyrically it’s good as well.

[@alexanderjackson8389]

Skrttt lyrically? lmao

[@shutyobtchassup1641]

Alexander Jackson Kanye had some witty lines, not saying it was amazing it was just good lyrically, it’s straight

[@melody2999]

Isn’t this stolen from Anthony Fantano’s review

[@perkuskamui]

she said, "what do you mean Pacifically, when you say it's half baked?" lol

[@ashevans5152]

perkuskamui omg I thought I was the only one that noticed that

[@DJFluufy]

Yeah I was thinking Atlantically tbh

[@chevychaselove]

urgh, the worst, like duuuh!

[@grkdude405]

LOL I NOTICED THAT

[@caseythornton7153]

MBDTF. Y'all trippin. His first three albums are classics but MBDTF is the closest thing to perfection.

[@drew9453]

I'm only 10 minutes in and I lost all respect for Jinx and buddy with the dreads. They don't know what it's like to be Kanye, nor were they even attempting to put themselves in his shoes for one second. At a certain point, I'm sure Ye was exactly who we all believed him to be since "College Dropout". But you can see exactly how the industry, the money and the fame effected who he was becoming. Everybody around Kanye, and his fans give him a certain amount of expectations and it fishbowls him into this area of his mind that he wants to get away from. But everybody and every thing around him encourage him to "be this" and "do that". Everybody is hurt by how Kanye expressed his own sense of freedom with the whole MAGA hat shit. But they still haven't been willing to understand where his point of views actually come from.

[@whereuat1886]

Ye is one of the most original albums of the year and even if you don’t like his views and points u can’t deny that he speaks his mind and doesn’t let anyone change his music 👏

[@xaviersoto3978]

where u at definetly gotta respect it, doesn’t make it good.

[@acarson2812]

Xavier Soto I don’t understand how it’s not good I think it’s a beautiful peace of work it’s not put together I felt there were more tracks I fell like kids see ghost might bring it back together

[@channelbrown7309]

Um he literally redid his entire album after the TMZ interview. “Doesn’t let anyone change his music” my ass

[@xaviersoto3978]

A carson Out of all of kanyes discography, I personally didn’t like it. It’s a really vulnerable album no doubt, but sonically I wasn’t enjoying it.

[@hanklesacks]

n0b0dy_ep1c how u kno that?

[@stromatic4]

ye is amazing, it shows Kanye's perspective

[@channelbrown7309]

Stro Videos we live in a society

[@kingjames2381]

"If you ain't drivin' while Black, do they stop you? Will MAGA hats let me slide like a drive-thru?"

[@SKULLKR3W]

that line was off daytona and was better than all of ye

[@AKDREEZY]

Facts their doing too much 😂😂

[@debodatta7398]

8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.

[@peace22luv1]

Ole girl should've did her research and listened more. Cutting people off left and right.

[@shinebabyshine.]

peace22luv1 cutting folks off and still added nothing of substance smh

[@ye23.]

if anything the mouse jones guy was being a dick and cutting people off not her

[@Mega0003000]

"as a black man we have a different responsibility with our kids..." WHAT? No, every man, of every race has the SAME responsibility: TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS. Kanye's Violent Crimes was dedicated to his daughter & a message for ALL fathers out there...not just BLACK fathers 🙄

[@xaiikuu7955]

Mega0003000 are you black?

[@Mega0003000]

Triston Crowl yep. Ain’t got no kids tho

[@xaiikuu7955]

Second question, are you a man?

[@Mega0003000]

Triston Crowl yeah

[@najahamira]

Mega0003000 you can’t possibly be black if you say “yep” lol

[@somebody818]

It's good you normies, Anthony was in the yellow flannel.

[@TheeSamuraiG]

Some body MELON

[@huey6248]

hes the only review that matters

[@SKULLKR3W]

he didnt even like it

[@wayne7055]

hddd he gave it 8/10 and said he loved it

[@umidk5558]

I really liked his review. I never understood when he recreated the album with farts, but thats just me i guess

[@ThisIsApollo23]

Ye is my favorite kanye album, tied with MBDTF. And if you are wondering, YES I was born in 95 so i grew up on people like Kanye, Wayne, 50 cent, Ludacris. I started listening to Kanye when he first came out and I can appreciate his progression. You guys went into this album thinking it was going to answer for his behavior, but its an album, it s a piece of art. I keep hearing the terms "scattered" "half baked" but hes owing that, hes saying these are his flaws. "scattered" is how it is sometimes, which is how the art can come out. How are ya'll not connecting the dots????? These dudes butt hurt like Kanye is there deadbeat dad giving excuses for not being there.

[@vZZenn]

I agree and am in the same boat. Although I'm a few years younger, growing up in Chicago you already know. I haven't seen any good criticism to say this album is bad. All of the mixed reviews I've seen are from people who can't get over their bias. It's sad people can't break away from that and enjoy a phenomenal album...

[@ThisIsApollo23]

Facts!!! This album captured a moment, for me, it showed Kanye, one of my musical idols, go from super arrogant flashy invisible, which I always loved, and show him at his most vulnerable and it humanized him and made it more easy to understand and relate to him.

[@MadMaxFuryRose]

You listened to College Dropout and Late Registration when you were 9 and 10? 🤔

[@ThisIsApollo23]

No, I wasnt into Kanye then, I went back and listened to it when I was 16, 17. But thats how i was with everything, my moms didnt let me watch rated R movies until I was 16 so I always went back "in the crates" for music and movies. Thought they were dope. MBDTF is still better than both of them to me.

[@TheRamboss]

It’s crazy how people think they know Kanye personally and are trying to find answers to the problems in HIS life, like we all don’t have problems. Yes we love his albums and admire him but it’s really not that deep. Let that man live. Lol Mouse talking like Kanye is his father that left him at 5 or some shit.

[@Jonesmarc1]

TheRamboss and people love bringing up his dead mother like they knew her in real life shit is crazy smh

[@Orbit949]

Not only was shorty interupting everyone, but she said "Pacificly" I'm done

[@coderedtonio]

A lot of people might disagree with Kanye’s politics that’s fine... But you can’t say that the man is not a musical aficionado he knows great sampling and how to mix ... The Fucking album is flames 🔥 🔥🔥🔥 7 songs is a small amount... Kanye Album was way better than Cole’s 🍿🍿🍿

[@ezraprzytyk]

i liked them both... cole gave me lots more content to listen to (more songs and consistently way better lyrics) but kanye made every song really intriguingly different and better in quality/production with a crazy vibe. honestly i liked pusha ts album the best and i wasnt even a fan of him before. kanyes production on it is insane 10/10. short like kanyes album, better lyrics, oldschool kanye production and not too experimental.

[@alexjandroceron2658]

coderedtonio you know you wildin for saying it’s 🔥 knowing damn well you not gonna listen to any of these tracks past the week it came out

[@hanklesacks]

Ezra Przytyk pusha t album was weak, he literally sounded the same on every song, he must be thanking kanye for the production because that’s all that was good. Cole album was good, it had good lyrics and i liked the way he experimented with a different sound, kanye album was edgy and i felt it was more personal to him rather than trying to appeal to the mainstream, prolly just signaling that he’s at a woke point in his life where he is extremely content with himself imo

[@qenigma2693]

No

[@ezraprzytyk]

yeah i see your point but in terms of listening value i really liked every track on daytona... yes he isnt versatile at all but what he does, he does great and it fits with the beats so well, i think i really liked it because it sounds like a classic album from the 90s. anyways, im not here to argue. this is my opinion and you have yours.

[@MooshFX_]

Kanye is a genius, don’t hate the man solely on his political beliefs

[@nic7731]

Nio L word

[@sharbel7163]

Politics should be in no way involved in music, it has already separated people and caused hate.

[@beigegecko]

he just likes trump, not his policies

[@TheMartow]

He’s not a genius. Even if he was, album isn’t. Also, everyone consumes music differently, everyone don’t have to like his shit. Honestly its ass!

[@KingOfKeysToDACity]

Marr Tinnn Thank you! The masses are dumb, they'll eat anything you shove down their throats.

[@entiice]

Lmao this girl is really defending how it’s okay for men to finally humanize women once they have daughters even if it’s in their 40’s.. while two grown ass men are saying it’s not enough and we gotta stop babying men.... the irony

[@peterparks9435]

entiice women don’t humanize men either. We treat men in this society like walking ATMs. Neither, gender treats each other like they should. It’s apart of being socialized in this society.

[@Bustaperizm]

Id say she was being real. These dudes are pretenders saying what they think people want to hear. Instead of commending someone for awakening, they chastize him for taking so long. That type of person is a fraud in my eyes.

[@entiice]

This is the equivalent of a man wanting a standing ovation and trophy for pretty much showing up. Calling that comment/realization an awakening is an overstatement.

[@Bustaperizm]

entiice If that were true. We wouldn't have the issues we're having today. Some would say we dont need laws that say "dont kill". As if it's some intrinsic wrong. But clearly that and this aren't the case.

[@TK-lb4yy]

I think it's a shame that so many people can't see Kanye's self-awareness on Violent Crimes... people out here calling Kanye out but they missed the point of the song

[@aaaroche8904]

Well to be honest , in my humble opinion , of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view , but also by looking into matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's views and by trying to make it objectified , and by considering and everyone's valid opinion , i honestly believe that i completely forgot what i was going to say

[@octm1]

ExpiredTwinkies lmfaooo

[@SuperPeka89]

ExpiredTwinkies fucked up century you need to explain it like everybody is your mother, and be careful oh somebody gotta be offended

[@tobalt1]

Don't be afraid to offend.

[@Fabo100]

ExpiredTwinkies hahahahahaha

[@mikeprc777]

1st)Its an album. Not an apology letter.2) Ye cant really be compared to his other albums. Coz this album was not created to be a commercial album. It was a genuine kanye album. And im pretty sure people really appreciated this album in a whole different way.3) he drops a lot of hints on situations. If he would talk about all the controversy the album would be over saturated

[@jayzfreshx3]

Yeah he actually addressed that he had a whole album done and complete but started all over because of the whole slavery was choice got taken out of context.

[@BourneIdentity45]

Thank you

[@raquelarnina4742]

Mike Prc YES EXACTLY

[@ily4ev1]

well said.

[@corsicanrose2853]

Honestly I'm having a hard time respecting these guys when they didn't attempt to read the context of "slavery was a choice" and are into conspiracy theories about ye

[@krisjackson6567]

Corsican Rose TRUE!

[@NoahWest]

I hate it, it’s awesome.

[@r0se838]

'ye' has 0 bad songs. My mind CANNOT be changed. It's a great fucking album.

[@ivanmunozz6640]

This album is beautiful y’all hatin on this man talking about his personal life, y’all want all music to be fake and about money and sex? Like he’s being real with this album why y’all hating...

[@ivanmunozz6640]

I agree with the lady sayin it’s his personal thoughts and it’s real

[@ajc2423]

I feel like people only like a certain version of kanye, like the egomaniac on mbdtf and yeezus instead of accepting him whole and as a human being

[@groundtofu4238]

Ivanmunozz they’re dissecting the entire album and showing all critiques all coming from people who have been within Kanye since the beginning of his career; not everyone is gonna have matched perfect opinions on things I think it’s important to have a discussion and conflicting opinions should be encouraged.

[@markdelgado6984]

i dont like it. i dont care about his personal life. he has nothing to do with me

[@vZZenn]

LOL so you like no music at all?

[@venommusk1044]

Leave Jinx and replace these 2 fools 🤦‍♂️

[@ledbetter12biznessceo92]

My beautiful dark twisted fantasy is the best to me

[@doeyaighthe185]

zjDallas bug Facts, flawless album

[@saqib7965]

Legendary era

[@Fabo100]

It sure is, then Graduation, CD, so on and so on

[@jowej4978]

zjDallas greatest album of that decade

[@032chapo]

"because... you know... who doesn't have a daughter?" 😂😂

[@ajrawls42]

Please remember Ye's first albums done in a different time. The last three were done in a digital age where we got the music within a month if not weeks of the album release

[@reignisuncle]

can someone please make* me a gif around 26:42 - 26:49 please

[@SkyHiGradtrw]

I SAID THE SAME THING FAM

[@kmdaye04]

😂😂😂😂 she’s delusional

[@AntDeathSpiral]

This exactly what I thought too. That was great.

[@uaweezaherri]

We'll need to call muchdank on this 😂

[@tylermitchell0398]

MAN THIS SHIT IS SO FUNNY, U CANT EVEN CAPTION IT

[@freddyrodriquez1396]

Speaking as someone who's has IDOLIZED Kanye for years... Kanye is creative and will go down as an anomaly. He is NOT a great rapper or in comps for best lyricist. He's one of the best musicians in the history of music.

[@reven6e531]

Freddy Rodriquez chill, he doesn't even play an instrument

[@freddyrodriquez1396]

Producing 20+ albums > playing an instrument

[@freddyrodriquez1396]

REVEN6E and to throw it out there he actually can play a few

[@trinni1621]

You can hear Kanye's growth within Ye

[@victoriaappiagei1482]

too me ye dumb test listing sound bad dumb problem stupid album

[@victoriaappiagei1482]

kanye old mss college dropout late registration classes and graduation album classic favorite album hip-hop real poetry

[@christopherwashington2460]

I haven't liked the last 2 Kanye albums but this one is 🔥🔥 Plus shout out to Genius for actually talking about the music

[@TheKondinho]

man i liked yeezus alot

[@yazanshobaki7229]

I like pablo

[@idontlikeoutside]

How can you not like Life of Pablo but you like this album. When this album is most similiar to Life of Pablo

[@Naalders]

A E O N I A N Ye is more consistent than tlope

[@jarredaabel]

How tf can you not like TLOP?!

[@ap-jz7rq]

5:23 "pacifically"

[@milpitasA4]

scott 3000 I was scouring the comments for a comment on this!!! 😂😂😂

[@unlostm8]

she said "pacifically"

[@icebergdl757]

unlost 😩

[@Neutomy]

"who doesn't have a daughter?" LOLWTF

[@huncho4965]

If you're reading this, I hope you're having a blessed day

[@frozenwalkway]

Yxng Trapinese thanks bruh

[@schwomo4176]

thanks bro, you too tho

[@WhoaNellyJake]

I hated Yeezus for the first month that it came out. Then I switched and ended up loving it. Blood on the Leaves is incredible.

[@MzSoulll]

that woman was being a contrarian for no reason. so annoying...breaks up genuine dialogue.

[@SD-ci6kz]

THIIIIIIIS! Just assuming the motives behind what they saying are negative just because they are valid critiques she doesn't agree with.

[@ye23.]

i actually agreed with most of what she said. she doesn't have to have the same opinion as everybody else

[@AZANlA]

stfu she was right

[@EricNygma]

Stfu. She and you are wrong

[@EricNygma]

If you agreed with what she said, and taken by the fact that “Ye” is in your name, you’re part of the problem

[@maribandz1631]

Violent crimes the best song bruhhhh

[@ethanbarrett2430]

Torgot A ghostown is my fav. Not by far tho i view the album as one of kanyes best

[@BB-se9bl]

It is. At least it is the only song from the album that really gets me, I really like the synths on that one. Cudi's verse is just fucking annoying on Ghost Town. So out of tune.

[@mrmovieguy1000]

Violent Crimes vs. Ghost Town

[@mrmovieguy1000]

B B It was deliberately out man

[@BB-se9bl]

Kevin Deegan Well... still sounds pretty awful

[@milpitasA4]

You gotta know what you're talking about if you come onto these shows... Kanye went to Chicago State University, hardly an art school. That's where he dropped out from (yes, he went to an art academy first, but changed to CSU) He says "HBCU vibes" on College Dropout but that's what he took from it. A State school in an area with a large African-American population, *hmmm could there possibly be AA fraternities??????* I went to a State school in the Bay Area and we had AA frats. This guy wears a shirt that says "how can I offend you today?" but I get the sense that he's the one looking for offense in people's words.

[@milpitasA4]

Exhibit B: 26:40 Can't stand this guy

[@milpitasA4]

Then he says only Ghost Town is worthy of radio play... How you claim to know music???? Yikes is the easiest song off that album to take to radio RIGHT NOW. That song is in line with the "hype" music wave dominating the air waves currently

[@milpitasA4]

Holy fuck 29:10 How this man say Swimming Pools by Kendrick is not made for the radio??? Good Kid MAAD City had like 6 radio singles. Then he said King Kunta is not for the radio. Hmmm, it was the only song off TPAB that was radio friendly (not including the single edit of "i"). Not even "Alright" was a radio friendly song, and that was the most culturally impactful track.

[@xaiikuu7955]

Do you know anything about Mouse tho? Stop judging.

[@MadMaxFuryRose]

Francisco Alvarado I thought the same thing when he said “where did he get the HBCU vibes? Wtf is he talking about. As if going to an HBCU is the epitome of blackness

[@seanlagunday168]

I’ll never understand why people knock an album for it not being they way THEY wanted

[@spm10ce96]

this album is great man, like perfect mix of everything. out of all his albums this is directly in the middle of all of it. amazing.

[@L4C3-L4]

Yes, it's a combination of all the previous albums

[@xaiikuu7955]

Not at all.

[@LeBeautiful]

good

[@chrismdh]

Second one of these reviews I see from you guys and just want to let you know that I love what you guys are doing. KEEP THEM COMING. P.S. I LOVE THIS ALBUM

[@mrbass093]

kanye west has more classic albums than anybody in their discography.... Kids See Ghosts Next.

[@cloud9133]

Kanye didn’t say he wanted to be on radio, let me put this back into context. Charlamagne asked what caused you to break down . To which kanye responded with a slew of reasons from the residual hate from Taylor Swift, the pressures of the fashion industry, the pressures of the music industry especially with him being THE KANYE WEST, and he just happened to mention the competition between his peers, he said not that he wants to be on the radio but that he sees others being more successful and he felt as if he was trapped in this mindset that he was supposed to be KANYE WEST and he felt as if he was being drowned out ,a mindset caused by that mental crutch, which caused him to break down amongst other things. Please get this in context I wish others would stop misinterpreting this

[@cloud9133]

If you understand this then you’ll understand why he’s so diametrically opposes this idea of a perfect individual who has to do everything right at all times, something he has mentioned as one of the things he thinks made it harder for Obama to do what he actually wanted to do, but of course people twisted that again into “He hates obama” . I know it sounds repetitive but alot of things kanye says will go over your head if the utmost attention is not given, I watched that interview about 2-3 Times to even really get the points he was trying to get at

[@anthonyfen-chong5557]

Nothing personal, but it's been 5 min I'm in and this girl is interrupting way too often a interesting thought... ffs they respected your turn, return the goddamn favor

[@kashstory]

Now we're talking! This is the type of content I wanna see from ya'll, like a really great wholesome discussion. Where you get analytical and really dive deep into it. S/O to Rob and everyone on the panel and whoever else helped put this together. I wanna see more like this.

[@cole1]

it really speaks to kanye's unique influence that you can get 4 people in a room that are passionate about every one of his albums in a different way

[@nikolamilevski]

I think his scattered thoughts made a beautiful energy. In my life recently I've come to the conclusion where I don't believe in good or bad energy. But him being honest and giving his truth in this album will help a lot of people dealing with stuff in their minds, and that's the most beautiful part for me. If you have a mental illness or you're over all just dealing with something, you are not sicker than a normal person, you've just being categorized to something, and that should not stop you from doing stuff. Get purely out of your mind and give your truth to the world cause it's beautiful.

[@nikolamilevski]

im the shit for this!

[@Flip_The_Lens]

26:40 my exact reaction

[@djtheman9]

Thank you for the intelligent and respectful conversation. Hard to find nowadays.

[@christophermorris3003]

I hear what Mouse is saying about the bear albums. I won't say it wasn't him but those albums had definite purposes. He really is a master of his craft. He knows how to be unique but play by the rules just enough to be understood and appreciated accross the board. He knows how to make hits but I don't think he wanted his legacy to be all about that. He wants to challenge the culture even when it makes us feel uncomfortable. Think about it, he has said that he doesn't really like Gold Digger and how Yeezus is a much better album in his opinion than MBDTF. He said he made MBDTF as the "perfect" album because he had to come back with something undeniable. He knows his music is polarizing now and I think it's very intentional. He wants that discussion. Plus his more polarizing stuff tends to be the more influential.

[@saqib7965]

Kanye is a Genius we lucky to be in this era

[@saqib7965]

He took 4 weeks on this album and its great

[@youcefbenbecher4628]

With his line about sway - I interpret it as sway at the time told him in his own way slavery to corporations was a choice & he completely refused to believe in sways words. But now, he came to realize that (mental) slavery was a choice - slavery to a 9-5, to corporations (Yeezy his billion dollar baby is an expression of his current freedom) and he phrased his current view of freedom in a super shocking way (true) BUT if everyone steps away from their feelings about slavery for a minute, they’d understand he was not really speaking about slavery but mental slavery. Even that is questionable since not everyone has access to education, but we’ve seen people born in extreme poverty make because they cut their mental chains lose and learned their way to the top.

[@youcefbenbecher4628]

By the way when Yeezus came out he thought himself as a slave, buying new chains, etc. (also I think Yeezus is like the Rick Owens of hip hop albums - like WOW, rockstar, avant-garde, crazy)

[@youcefbenbecher4628]

And I also think Ye is the polar opposite of Yeezus. Yeezus is about rage, pretending to godhood and Ye is like the dissolution of Kanye’s ego, after going through personal trauma and 💩

[@youcefbenbecher4628]

Last thing I wanna say on his TMZ thing - read this www.spin.com/2018/05/kanye-west-performance-art-tweets-theory/

[@youcefbenbecher4628]

That may explain the line am I tool complex for complex con - because he pulled something REALLY complex 😂😅😅

[@SamwiseRichardson]

this is an incredible conversation about a genius of the genre. Please do more of these videos, this is pure joy to witness such intelligent conversation thats incredibly detailed and well thought out critiques of a giants body of work.

[@ytsivran]

Jinx reminds me of MKBHD in all the best ways. He has a calm demeanor, is eloquent and all his opinions feel well thought out. Could listen to that guy talk for hours.

[@joshuagalbraith2510]

27:04 "what culture is this" issa meme

[@rafinhaipsep]

MBDTF - 10 Late Registration - 9.5 College Dropout - 9.5 808s & Heartbreak - 9.0 Graduation - 8.5 Yeezus - 8.0 TLOP- 7.5 Ye- 7.0 This is how I feel.

[@jayslim4]

Raphael Carmo no one gives a fuck how you feel. TLOP ain’t no damn 7.5

[@ilikemusic3041]

Raphael Carmo late registration and college drop out are 10/10

[@kashstory]

OMG, the look the guy with the dreads gave when she was talking about how Hot97 has their "foot on the culture" is priceless! I was rolling!

[@tweetyqt05]

Love this! More episodes please

[@CvrlosSvnchez]

Ima sound mad sexist but it was a mistake including TT in this conversation.

[@JourTheeOnly]

Carlos Sanchez why is that ?

[@AmiriAssasinn]

The thing people don't understand about bipolar is that it's a personality disorder that the mood last a good time like 3 to 4 days of just being sad and that's minimum, your chemical imbalance can stay the same for years. It's honestly the worst mental condition normal people can get because I feel that depressed people can learn how to deal with it because there either normal or depressed but they don't know the highs of bipolar and the only thing close to it is cocaine and the high last for days of no sleep and you overspend and it just sucks and then the lows come in and often this creates bipolar to do drugs like cocaine to be able to reach that high.

[@ZChoate]

I don’t think you should restrict these with time limits. You were having a great conversation, wish I could’ve heard it continue. People will listen.

[@kashstory]

The look the guy with the dreads gave when she was talking about how Hot97 has their "foot on the culture" is priceless!

[@AdriBoy00]

You can not possibly say that "ye" is bad. It is just simply wrong. It may not be amazing, but bad, it definitely is not.

[@ethanbarrett2430]

adriboy nah its amazing

[@AdriBoy00]

Ethan Barrett I agree actually, I think it's amazing

[@SKULLKR3W]

its literally trash

[@iDewThis4Yu]

Idk how it isn't bad...there literally..when the beat changes on the intro he is legit saying wack bar after wack bar..on atleast 2 tracks he has unfinished verses...liie legit mumbles a word...like c'mon it's an unfinished album

[@adamsilver1717]

adriboy it’s average he can make beats but can’t rap mbdtf is the best we will ever see from Kanye

[@dfj232]

College Dropout is no where near his best work no one said MBDTF tf

[@TheSD91911]

dfj232 college drop out is my least fav tbh

[@godfr012]

MBDTF is my favorite hip hop album ever. It has everything

[@matthewwheeler7105]

I was thinking the same damn thing

[@geotheartist98]

its top 4 for me

[@AXXXXA]

More episodes of this. This was a great.

[@marcyclay2475]

As a person that suffers from bipolar our thought process is not like others our thoughts are scattered we are high on life one minute then severely depressed the next. It can be hard to express ourselves to others and are misunderstood. I commend him on his honesty and people change and grow in life.

[@bfrank9888]

Jinx🙌🏾

[@KidIntrikit01]

S/O to Jinx, 10000% agree with his assessment. Compared to stuff out now, sure it’s great. Compared to his discography ITS HIS ABSOLUTE WORST

[@1passwordguy]

you gotta let the past die sometimes. music is constantly changing.

[@deshawnthomas]

peachy okay Kylo Ren

[@monkeyassassin21]

Beekay Potter How the fuck can you consider this worse than Yeezus lmao

[@KidIntrikit01]

peachy it’s not about the past, It’s about consistency. And when you’re grading Kanye’s albums you have to compare it to his previous works. You can pick the 7 best songs from each of his previous projects and each set of 7 is better than the 7 on “Ye”

[@KidIntrikit01]

Brandon Jenkins I like the production, even though I feel like he gave Pusha T the better beats for “DAYTONA”. And I like Ghost Town. That’s the only song that sounds like he took his time to work on.

[@St.Severus]

I don’t give a good goddamn about this album. But I do wanna see y’all link up again to talk about this summer’s albums, dope panel. Make it happen Genius!!

[@G5june]

MBDTF Is his best album by far maybe the most put together album ever .. period

[@lonewalkerproductions]

"ye" was an unapologetic approach to the real kanye, the struggles he faces behind closed doors and his perspective on that. If you're complaining about you "don't wanna hear his rants" then you have no place judging the man and his art. The production was insane, the way he used the other artists contributions as instruments, the soul behind the album is unravelled, It's easy to listen from start to finish (repeat) and I know damn well we'll be playing ghost town and violent crimes to all our children. Y'all are misinformed/hating and worst part is you'll change your minds off camera, talmbout "iTs bAD"

[@MrRedpaul84]

Woman’s pissed off that she didn’t get invited to Wyoming.. #bunchanobodies

[@saqib7965]

Fr lol

[@andiedushime9157]

That zoom in is everything! 😂😂😂

[@bizzionary1]

that Wire quote tho. "You want it to be one way but it's the other way." Jinx is mad intelligent. Rob has hilarious one liners lmao. Genius please make Jinx like a permanent guest or something. this guy drops so many gems.

[@tyrionlannister467]

lmao when they all "cancelled ye" and tried to come around and stan for him again but cant delete they tweets condemning Ye

[@sabrinaortega1104]

Tyrion Lannister the girl saying she wasn’t fucking with Kanye two weeks ago WHILE wearing yeezys baffles ne