is Kerbal Space Program 2 Canceled?

It has come to light that Intercept Games is likely shutting down, leaving the fate of Kerbal Space Program 2 unknown. Is it canceled or will it get moved yet again to another studio? Ill walk you through what we know, as well as what I think is going on and what I hope happens moving forward.
🗨 I want to hear what you think, do you think they will cancel KSP 2? Or will it get moved to a new studio?
Full Matt Lowne interview with Nate Simpson: • I asked KSP 2's Creati...
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[@4ztt363]

Ksp is game of my life. If ksp 2 will be cancelled, I think we all gonna play ksp 1 with mods

[@SpunieBard]

That is my plan!

[@theencolony5595]

According to statistics, most people bought Kerbal Space Program 2, played around with it a couple times each update, before going back to the original

[@4ztt363]

@@theencolony5595 I played ksp 2 around 40 hours, and now I don't want to return to ksp 1. Now ksp 2 has not bad optimization, and its almost without bugs

[@theencolony5595]

@@4ztt363 that's fair, everyone's experiences are different!

[@ojgfhuebsrnvn2781]

I am new to ksp (played like a week or so) and the only thing played in original ksp is tutorial till orbit. Then mods mods mods (namely rp1 just because its more realistic and we can relate to gameplay more via rss mod). Graphically (with mods) its not far away from ksp2 (not ony potatoe though) and i think the only thing modders should do is to make mods more intuitive (and have some in-game guides/information about their particular mod). Because, lets say, some mechjeb as example look horrible and foregn to game design-wise. Anyway, i tried the game and didnt see any reason to wait for second one.

[@orionbarnes1733]

KSP2 felt almost doomed from the start, I think they tried to make it too "smooth". I'm not sure how to describe it, but I hope you understand what I mean. KSP1 was dogshit when it first came out, and I loved it. The sun was a .png in the sky, the water was dirt painted blue, kerbals were just little boxes in the corner of the screen, but I loved it. I can't help but wonder how much further along KSP2 would be if they hadn't spent so much time on making it *look* so good.

[@SpunieBard]

I cant remember who it was, but I saw a video not too long ago from someone who was much more familiar with the technical parts of KSP2 and they showed how even when the Kerbals were in vehicles and completely occluded they were being rendered in full detail. If I find it ill link it, but I think you might be right.

[@spartanash1]

I feel they also spent way to much time trying to make the game scientifically accurate when it probably didnt need to be. Dont get me wrong, its cool and all but like that should have been a "hey here is this awesome idea we have, we have a placeholder example but the idea is we will make this look awesome and more realistic later." Rather then trying to do it now. Just get this feeling from how 90% of the devlogs was this science talk.

[@slowfuse]

A lot of devs do this. They focus on art assets and graphical tech, because it's far easier and cheaper than actual game engineering, and it helps that it generates a lot of pre sales from morons. They get bogged down in all this crap, and very little gets done to make a good game.

[@user-yl5rl7tg2j]

This company has 600 million $ to invest in a new asset, but cancels one we ALREADY PAID FOR this isn't bankruptcy it is pure greed, they have our money, so why finish? they closed a studio ONLY working on ksp2, so its obviously dead, CLASS ACTION to get our money back and punish these greedy assholes

[@nyeleskettes]

Ever since first preorders we know that is a scam. If you preordered like a drooling simp despite the warnings it is your money. Next time pick up the phone when indian scammers also tells you your microsoft warranty has expired.

[@myaccount9745]

Pure greed? They funded this game for SEVEN YEARS and Nate and his friends delivered absolute shit while lying about it all the time. They didn't make their money back. The only people who got paid are the developers.

[@georgee5943]

I never bought it myself, i thought about it when they released for science but i didn't becouse i was going to wait for the interstellar update and i'mm very glad i didn't buy it then

[@Natumi.]

ive always loved KSP 2, and this games full release wouldve been my all-time favorite game. i am praying this does not fall down.

[@SpunieBard]

I hope they can save it

[@OZtwo]

What is sad here is that many need to understand that Kerbal Space Program 2 full version was never released yet. We only got the 'pre-view version. I had a feeling that we see this as we did with Duke Nukem Forever. :(

[@zat-1-fury]

This is sad that games like this don’t even get a year of development and release time 😢

[@Espen_1995]

They got 7 years and AAA budget.

[@marekkos3513]

@@Espen_1995 100% right.This is the same issue with Cities SKylines 2 which also had 8 years of development and a lot of money.For theym its still not enough.Take Two is not the problem

[@Espen_1995]

@@marekkos3513 Yeah I studied busniss in university. Now I don't know much about game development. But 7 years of development is proximily 21 mio USD. And the game only sold 470.000 copies. And I dont know how many refunds it got. For science update only 2000 copies was sold. So the game is not profitable at all. I would have pulled the plug a long time ago. People was hoping Intercept games would do a No Mans Sky but Hello Games only took them 15 months to correct the state of the game. 10 months we got a tech tree and a bad reintre heating system.

[@thishollowhill]

Lmao the people defending this scam game is crazy. None of the original dev team from KSP is on this team, why even fanboy over it? Harvester is making KitHack now, which has MORE features in it than KSP2 ever did and has only been out a fraction of the time.

[@thebestwagon5236]

I feel like releasing the game into early access was a mistake even though I have enjoyed my time with it. Games usually reach their highest player count at their launch or when something big happens with the franchise, releasing it into early access destroyed peoples expectations and probably made take 2 rethink their plans about KSP2. I don't think the game is cancelled more like the dev team is being shrunk, although that would still be extremely concerning. KSP2 has so much potential and it would be sad for it all to be wasted on some corporate budget cuts

[@notgreg123]

Idk.. seems like the entire intercept team got laid off

[@beta_windows]

The amount of times jeb has died he is finally gone

[@brb9142]

if they actually shut down I'm gonna be fighting for my refund. There's no other market or industry where you can sell someone a product, and then just not deliver that finished product but still be paid

[@downey2294]

you bought an early access title. there is a giant label on the steam page saying: "this Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development" you are not getting you money back. its just the nature of the beast. you could see the signs coming from a mile away. gamers are too impulsive. - Instead of working on gameplay and quality they focused on flashy visuals. - released as an early access title. - cost as much as a completed AAA product. - the blatant lies. - a studio with employees with a spotty background (planetary annihilation). i'm sorry to say but you did this to yourself.

[@brb9142]

@@downey2294 I didn't read anything past the first sentence lol. did you really type 3 paragraphs of a youtube comment to suck off a company that let their entire community down? on a comment from 2 months ago? I know there's always a contrarian on the internet, but damn dude, get a hobby or something. I got a refund like 2 hours after I requested it kid

[@skyte907]

welcome to early access games

[@saltyclampirate7397]

Is there a reason they arent being sued into oblivion? We paid full price for an early access game because we were told they were gonna give us a completed game. Lets compile a list of games they make so we can boycott them all.

[@kirbcake]

Steam is being afflicted with a colossal, unseen content farm of ridiculous proportions that revolves around valve's very friendly pre-order policies and religious adherence to their early access system being something anyone can use with basically no permission. Slap together a barebones game or make a sequel/remake to a really old game you got the rights to at a bargain price, frontload it to shit and go hard on the presentation, trickle in updates for about a year after everyone has pre-ordered and bought it thinking "it's early access, it'll get better!!!" then cancel the game and disappear into the fog. it's SIGNIFICANTLY more profitable than the regular game dev loop of developing a good game and releasing it normally to earn money from people who think it rightfully deserves it, only really rivaled by mobile game gacha/clash/raid clone content farms packed with microtransactions, or the exact same tactic... with microtransactions again. short term gains have always been better than long term investment when it comes to business. also it requires a lot less manpower and a lot less time. you can easily cycle like 6 of these suckers a year with a relatively small team and rudimentary development knowledge. it's getting even easier now with the advent of AI creating ideas for people and even programming for them in some cases. it genuinely brings a tear to my eye to think about it, as it's only getting exponentially worse and the early access farm games are starting to out number actual real games by a significant margin. Eventually all we'll have is a sea of garbage, false promises, and echoes of defiled pasts. unfortunately, none of this is illegal because it's entirely steam's policy (not that this is exactly what they wanted, they just have no idea it's going on), and the early access tag isn't actually a legal guarantee, it's just a cosmetic tag for the store page. that's literally it. but despite that, the gaming community at large, sweats to casuals, all walks of life, regard steam's policy as absolute law. so they don't question it when a game says early access and they assume it'll definitely be finished because a promise is a promise.

[@thokit5407]

I haven't looked into it but I'm under the impression that the reason they made Kerbal space program 2 was because they had spaghetti code and building it from the ground up would have made it easier to make a better game. But in my opinion KSP never needed a sequel. I think the devs could have benefited from fixing the spaghetti that was KSP 1 and then continuing to expand the game with DLC's. I think that the KSP community is loyal enough that they wouldn't mind buying new DLC's to support the development in exchange for new game changing features and parts for the vanilla game.

[@SpunieBard]

I hope this is what they end up doing

[@impguardwarhamer]

ksp 2 wasnt built from the groun up. It uses the KSP 1 physics engine

[@ivolol]

To be really frank, I thought that intercept games does really care about the IP they're working on. It's just they don't have the experience, prudent management and technical chops to efficiently pull off what is really quite a complex game engine + mechanics wrapped in the AA polish necessary to be properly labelled as what they'd imagine "KSP 2" to be in their/our mind's eye. I still remember when they announced a new release date for the game, including the ambition for multiplayer, I'm guessing this was around 2020 after Intercept had been formed, with the idea of a full release in a year or two, there was two options: either they'd happened upon a small team of absolute genius-rockstar-10x low-level engine devs that would knock this out of the park; or they were truly overconfident and over-promising and this was going to be yet another indie dev mismanagement shamozzle to some degree. Unhappy to see it went down the latter more realistic path.

[@SpunieBard]

Its a shame. When the developers from star theory started getting pulled to other projects and the game moved studios I had a feeling we were in trouble.

[@danzstuff]

they do have the experience. most of the dev time was wasted because ST was forced to reuse old code and refactor it. intercept even considered REWRITING it when they were in charge, but T2 was afraid of that and refused

[@SirSmurfalot]

Having a bunch of trolls review bombing the game on Steam sure as fuck won't help it get picked up by another studio. All the blind-rage directed at Take 2 is rapidly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@Konoctirepublic]

according to what ive read, quote "Take-Two Interactive says that Kerbal Space Program 2 will continue to receive support despite many of its creators being laid off. Multiple developers of Kerbal Space Program 2 left the studio, with some outright stating they were laid off." this could either be false, or could be really good news confirming that ksp2 isnt being cancelled, lets hope its the ladder

[@SpunieBard]

That's a very vague statement though. It could mean a lot of different things, but I really hope it means they're not scrapping it

[@Konoctirepublic]

@@SpunieBard my thoughts exactly

[@Axiz89]

I agree with you both about the corporate jargon concerning Intercept Games and the continued development of KSP 2. Also, those basic changes to the original KSP would be great. However, if they did so, they should also revamp the original game base coding and eliminate all the spaghetti code to improve its general performance. This news and its potential impact on KSP 2 is quite saddening.

[@proatplanes]

From a developer standpoint, I think they have all the code setup, to add interstellar, or colonies, or multiplayer, It's all there, however.. The game industry as a whole has slowed a lot, I personally think that their 2020-2022 funds have been all used up, So they need to cut costs, Hopefully it doesn't mean the cancelation of ksp2, They know well and truly that if they anger an entire community (which is a very large one they could loose out on a lot of money.

[@FileNotFound404]

I'm hoping, (though not expecting) that somehow the devs can pull all of this off even after another change of management. I REALLY want this game to work. But honestly if it doesn't, KSP 1 is still more than sufficient for me at least.

[@victorvandenbrink6851]

It just goes to show that indie titles are NEVER save with big developers. They just don't care, they'd rather buy up another studio and lay off a bunch of personell so they can write off their taxes by the end of the year. Real passion, and real drive to create creative, good games is only present when there aren't any greedy overlords to please.

[@anamondani]

Give it Back to Harvester!!!

[@hthring]

those ksp2 video trailers were promising so much, false advertising to show 3d renders as game footage

[@Mic_Glow]

On one hand I'm happy because I didn't buy the game... but also VERY sad because I wanted to buy and play it the moment it becomes better than ksp 1... which would probably be the colony/ interstellar update

[@SpunieBard]

For me it was interstellar that would have really set it apart. Sadly interstellar isn't on the road map for another 2 updates after colonies, I doubt they were close to finishing that feature, but at their current development pace it would have been 3 years before we got it anyway

[@deltacx1059]

6:12 that doesn't mean so many others wouldn't enjoy it.

[@tiba666]

i still waiting for the MP with like 9 other friends ^^ we played a lot the unofficel mp for KPS 1

[@racingmhf9157]

Similar story to what happened to NASCAR 21' Ignition and Motorsport Games.

[@starkindler1134]

I'm very glad I haven't bought the game yet. The main thing that interested me about the game was multiplayer, without that I would NEVER spend $67 on a game, and it doesn't look like they're going to get that far into their roadmap. That's a real shame, I was looking forward to finally being able to do rocket science with my friends. It feels like such a scam to all of those people who bought the game already though. I don't understand how it could be legal for them to not finish the game. Really hoping they manage to pull through somehow and finish it.

[@jamessimon3433]

Real shocker

[@oberonpanopticon]

Ikr? I knew it was doomed since the second delay. Like, the first got me worried, and the second was just like “well, time to start lowering my expectations”. Them releasing the recommended specs was just a nail in the coffin.

[@ThePlecoPal]

They so many years and so many employees and yet the game is less than what KSP1 was.

[@Vindicator66]

Geniuses! The "hook" was the idea of multiplayer, everyone put money with nothing in return.

[@PixelBlitzXP]

Take two owns only one video game company in Washington i believe.

[@The_ISD_Guy]

What if we get the modding community of KSP to bring the game to completion?

[@Frendlu]

The faces that Matt is doing in that interview... (2:16 - 2:24) are bit uncomfortable. It's like he is triyng to smile, but fails. Some tic maybe?

[@KrakenIsMahB]

*Sigh*, as much as I hoped for good ending to its developement, I rather give up KSP2 and try somebody who delivers. Juno, New origins looks more promising than overhyped crap that is KSP2 right now

[@sammyfromsydney]

What financial incentive is there to finish the game? 90% of those who wanted it bought it at full price in early access. It's a niche game.

[@bidet1515]

No excuse for the company ! Release a finished game ! , release a full bugged game it's just the worst adverstising i just won't buy it.

[@fredrickbambino]

99% spent on the trailer

[@marekkos3513]

Take Two is not the problem.Thy already had 7 years

[@Infernal_Elf]

Hard for them to ruing KSP 1 that had been complete for years

[@gameactual]

KSP2 going to Gearbox wouldn't be the worst given the current circumstances.

[@SpunieBard]

I'm starting to wonder if this was the part of the plan when they bought gearbox, we will see I guess

[@Duckfisher0222]

Open Source it, allot of people will work on this. Making standalone modded versions.

[@SpunieBard]

Thats what I am hoping for at this point, but I doubt Take 2 will give up the IP like that

[@BenTajer89]

finally someone who agrees with me that multiplayer is pointless...

[@hthring]

not pointless just complicated particularly when you start trying to accommodate individual time warp... 😅

[@a64738]

I tried the multiplayer mod in KSP1 combined with the mod that gives you weapons, very buggy and unstable, but it was fun to experiment with :)

[@Bamamarama]

I feel like multiplayer was something nobody really wanted, KSP is fundamentally a single player game. It was a vocal minority situation, plus a way for a studio to keep engagement going over a longer period(online play) which was not something needed for a dedicated fan base like KSP. If the IP does get sold on, it doesn't matter how much the receivers "care," I believe Nate cares, but I don't think the team assembled was up to the task. They were hiring modders years into development, the game fundamentals, basic mechanics weren't functioning at launch, and don't give us that, "its in early access" BS. Take-Two is a multi-billion dollar company and owner of Rockstar, developer of GTA, one of the most monetarily successful IPs of all time, across all forms of entertainment. Its not like Private Division needed the money. KSP 2 is a broken game, that a decade from now might be okay. Rant Over.

[@sari4tune]

i hope the developers in front of the game, like Nate Simpson, never ever get a job in gaming industry again, because wherever is see their faces, my wallet stay closed.. after all these development years and their euphoric and otimistic dev videos, its clear how much they lied over and over again

[@thishollowhill]

KSP2 was a scam. Go play KSP with mods and you'll get a much better experience.

[@calumlittle9828]

Haha nerds, scammed.

[@RealEmerald]

I was and still am incredibly excited for KSP2, so this news felt like a dagger in the chest when I first heard it. As much as I want to believe that development on KSP2 will continue, I cant help but feel like that wont be the case. I'm still going to be holding out hope for as long as I need to.

[@Dudu-wc2fs]

I will also keep my hopes

[@monsieurouxx]

the whole dev team all got fired. *Take two* (the editor) has been greedy since day one (so set on keeping all the rights to themselves that they poached the entire dev team and caused a 6-months set back). Now they simply cancel the project after "discovering" that you can't just do top-down development on a game like this one.

[@Rakkeyal]

This has become the only EA game that I've been burnt by and I am so disappointed by that. I wasn't going to buy KSP2 but the science update really looked like the game had a future. I guess I will know better for the future.

[@muuubiee]

If they can get out colonies update then I'm ok with the cancellation, unhappy, but at least we got something that's decent.

[@thishollowhill]

Lmao nothing more is coming out. Ahahahaha

[@muuubiee]

@@thishollowhill You should take your meds.

[@thishollowhill]

​@@muuubiee I'm not the one making delusional statements like, "I hope the closed down studio with the fired dev team releases the next update so that it's all worth it". LMFAO.

[@muuubiee]

@@thishollowhill Some might not be fired, and will work at home. Or it's handed over to another studio. Colonies update would bring sales, even if it's likely just a final update (but not saying anything). They should be close to the colonies update anyway, probably expected to be july/august, or something like that, before shut down. You're so extra that you must either be a child, or you need to take your meds.

[@kromeboy]

this is why you should never buy an early access from a traded corporation. The stakeholder have no reason to continue finance a game once you gave them money, if they couldn't make significantly make more money with microtransactions

[@Vortek_Gamer]

Take 2 need to stop ruining games. they already ruined KSP and other community from games. also if they did not start the early access with $50 they would not run into this issue. also who ended Star.theory >.> oh yea Take 2. I am just wondering WHY old game devs company ruined there game by selling there company to Take 2. I use to be part of a good Gary's mod Community but Take 2 went after them because they used the name "SANTOS" in the rp name after that, the community died off because of the part they do not want to fight it because Take 2 said they will have to pay THEIR Lawyers for the claim. Ever since then I been hating Take 2 and have not played any other games that is with them and that is including Rockstar games. What I think Take 2 need to do is to STOP buying out companies and buying out IPs because of this. KSP1 and KSP2 deserve better then Take 2. and ya why I type so much is because how much I hate Take 2

[@bigb0ss282]

Yikes. That SUCKS. Well, KSP2 wasn't making me feel good anyways. This is what you get when the upgrades are only present on pre-rendered FMVs.

[@sixwingproductions]

Given take2 just bought gearbox give it to gearbox. They announced hw3 on kickstarter in 2019. Yes delays happened and it took a while to be completed the kicksttter not even really being a funding thing so much as a gauge interest thing. Now with it coming out soon it looks like unlike intercept games they haven’t lied.

[@Blo55]

The ksp franchise is dead and buried, sadly it’s time for us to let it go.

[@Stupidswordfighter]

I believe there is a chance

[@notgreg123]

This was like the only game i played anymore im not playing video games anymore if it gets shut down and especially never buying anything from Take 2 ever again

[@notmyzticV]

I just hope they release the colony update before the closure. Or what would be better is if they release a modding api before they go. At least then the community will be able to work on it when Intercept Games closes

[@BPond7]

It’s dead, Jim.

[@saltyclampirate7397]

Scam!

[@tims2532]

Honestly, going by the state of the game. These layoffs are well earned.

[@martinlisitsata]

Well if i may say so myself , TOLD YOU SO !!!! Outside of the weirdos who play mmo and the fps games its always a bad sign if the marketing has nothing but pre-rendered footage to show.

[@qwertyuiopqwerty112]

My god am I glad I didn't pre order KSP2. I was so close to making that mistake

[@ReuHR]

I think the tweets be taken out of context he isn’t directly associated with KSP2 and he was one of the people that set up the private division launcher and the steam connection

[@SpunieBard]

Unfortunately, after this video was posted more of the team including Blackrack and the community manager Dakota have also come forward saying they are looking for new projects. It appears to be related.

[@owff-oddworld2706]

If they destroy ksp 2 i will fight for its survival, the wrath of the kraken will not go silently

[@adamweiser2515]

Take 2 took the Kerbal money and ran.

[@Cdogttv]

RIp intercept games :/

[@deltacx1059]

You know you can't trust someone who calls a studio a "label".

[@Blazing_mello777]

Before they cancel at least make it on console!