Is Leveling Units to 90 REALLY Necessary? | Genshin Impact 4.1 Discussion

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@charlesruiz5543
@charlesruiz5543 Жыл бұрын
Isnt it known that having 90 helps elemental reaction mostly swirl,burgeon and hyper bloom and not just for raw stats?
@frozeneku
@frozeneku Жыл бұрын
Correct. There are some characters that it is good to take to 90, such as those whose reactions are based on leveling (swirling, overload) and characters who scale off of HP (Yelan, Kokomi, Barbara), or DEF (Noelle, Itto, Gorou, Yunjin). It is important to check how your character scales, as well as how you want to build them in case you want to do an off meta build for that character.
@maimaibiri9045
@maimaibiri9045 Жыл бұрын
Yes, maybe dude is new?
@charlesruiz5543
@charlesruiz5543 Жыл бұрын
@@maimaibiri9045 he has contents since 6-7 months ago and hes just rehashing stuff
@maimaibiri9045
@maimaibiri9045 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesruiz5543 eh? I thought you were reconfirming?
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd Жыл бұрын
he said that in the video
@tim64163
@tim64163 Жыл бұрын
you really want to prioritise transformative (swirls, overload, hyperbloom, bloom, burgeon) and additive (aggravate, spread) reactions units to 90. Exception might be Xiangling, as a few units in the game have electro shields, and Xiangling will often be able to overload from it, so having her at lvl 90 can increase your damage.
@pinkhairvulcanus8153
@pinkhairvulcanus8153 Жыл бұрын
If they just take off that damn timer in the abyss, its a perfect world.
@kasuha
@kasuha Жыл бұрын
Having played for 3 years I don't care anymore. level 90 and talents 8/8/8 are my baseline, every character gets that treatment, even my Amber has it already. And if higher talent gives the character an advantage, it gets it too. And of course I level up every new character, including 4*s. And I still have pauses in between them when everybody is leveled up and all I have to spend my resin on is artifacts. But it took me about two years to get there, because at the start everybody gets flooded with characters, mainly 4*s and it takes time for that flood to cease.
@panjimartiandaru3081
@panjimartiandaru3081 Жыл бұрын
I'll add hyperbloom and burgeon trigger will get around 25-30% more dmg going from lvl 80 to 90 so max them (such as Kuki, Raiden, Thoma, etc). Also true with Aggravate and Spread dps.
@irena4929
@irena4929 Жыл бұрын
You didnt mention the hidden rule that no one talk about: Lv90 to insert dominance for coop so they had to swap unit
@Idknlandwh123
@Idknlandwh123 3 ай бұрын
I wonder why people think that higher lvl = always better I understand when it's for example team with dendro reactions, but when +10 levels matter less than good artifacts, weapon and cons...
@phoenixlau
@phoenixlau Жыл бұрын
IMO if I'm taking a unit into Abyss 12 they need to be level 80 ascended at minimum, even support characters. Beyond the raw damage gain, you also need to consider the level difference penalty multiplier between you and the enemy. The more levels you are under the enemy, the less damage you do to them. Likewise, the more levels you are under the enemy, the more damage they do to you. The second part is perhaps the more important factor for normies that can't perfect dodge everything, as being higher level will lower chances of getting oneshotted and malding every run.
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd Жыл бұрын
really? I thought the level difference is in star rail
@shilva7145
@shilva7145 Жыл бұрын
@@HuyNguyen-kc6qd Enemy DEF exists but no one really talks about it, to put it into prespective, a lv 90 unit vs lv 90 enemy will do 50% damage, a lv 90 unit vs lv 100 enemy will do 48.71% damage, a lv 90 unit vs a lv 80 enemy will do 51.35% damage, etc
@jiru98
@jiru98 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the damage received of the enemy will also differ based on how far the level gap is. Example a level 95 mob in abyss will be more tankier if your team is on level 80 compared to your team being on level 90. Even if their abilities do not scale off their stats. The formula goes like this if I recall correctly: (100+Your Level)/(200+Your Level+Enemy Level). This means that if you are level 90 you will have a 0.4935 multiplier. If you are 80 you will be at 0.48. Not that much different but if the enemies are at 3 million hp like in abyss, that is around 81,000 more damage. Let's put it with the context of level 100 floor 12 chamber 3 enemies, the multiplier will become 0.4737 (level 80) compared to a 0.4872 (level 90) multiplier which again is a ~2.7% damage difference. Do note that all of this are still assuming that the enemy does not have resistance, but if they do have those multiplier are still to be multiplied to their resistance, e.g. a 10% resistance, it will become something like this (All Damage Multiplier * Level Multiplier * 90%(10% resistance)). Aside from that like many people are mentioning in here transformative reaction are also scaling off the levels of the characters. TL;DR: I would have to say that as long as your character is a sub dps or deals considerable damage even through reactions, they should be level 90.
@raihanrusli2720
@raihanrusli2720 Жыл бұрын
Want to add stuff here. Transformative reaction (swirl, electro charged, overload, bloom, burgeon, hyperbloom) dmg is based off EM and LEVEL of the character who triggers it. Yeah 80-90 is resource intense but on the flipside you dont have to level up their talent since transformative reaction dont scale with talent. So the characters that use transformative reaction as dps such as sucrose (swirl), thoma (burgeon), and kuki (hyperbloom) should be upgraded to lv90. One more thing, I saw your Mika only reach lv70/70. But for me leveling up must be at minimum 70/80 so you can get 1 standard pull. Of course minda your resource but for endgame players it must be easy
@vinhinh6810
@vinhinh6810 Жыл бұрын
sometimes we just don't have the energy to run around and look for obscure mats, I'm looking at you scarabs
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Жыл бұрын
I level every character in the game and every character I level gets at least TWO talents at 8/8 or higher. Yes I am always mora poor and book poor xD
@romanrin557
@romanrin557 Жыл бұрын
Pseychieeeeeeeeee Its always great to see your guide for casuals your vids are filled with meaningful calculations with tangible effects
@dancinflowrbear770
@dancinflowrbear770 Жыл бұрын
Should lvl 90 bennett and shenhe too since their buffs scales with their atk
@diahprasetianingtyas6822
@diahprasetianingtyas6822 Жыл бұрын
I think it goes saying (as many comments have said) Yes to: - transformative reaction characters - 5 star DPS characters you are using for Abyss - characters with gimmicks that scale with levels to trigger effects (e.g. Jean in Abyss wants lv90 if you plan to play her by using fall damage/vaccum abyss lv110 enemies) - Units you use the most cuz they're ur waifu/husbando/fav I mean, why level everyone up to 90 when resources are limited anyway? Unless you're a completionist or at endgame.
@yuvx8516
@yuvx8516 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me that my xingqiu and bennett are still lv.80 even though i pretty much used them everywhere. It just feels enough
@ooochoa
@ooochoa Жыл бұрын
(80/80) or (80/90)? They do get a decent boost in dmg with the last ascension.
@Salti_01
@Salti_01 Жыл бұрын
Same, altho bennett definitely does benefit from getting him to lvl 90 since his buffs are based on his base atk.
@yuvx8516
@yuvx8516 Жыл бұрын
@@ooochoa yep 80/80, oh and bennett is permanently on fav which is saying something about my investment priority
@Diamond1234
@Diamond1234 Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@Icredivm
@Icredivm Жыл бұрын
Are we back in 1.6/2.0? I thought this topic was explained enough :o
@ooochoa
@ooochoa Жыл бұрын
There's always new players coming to the game.
@PigeonSuWi
@PigeonSuWi Жыл бұрын
I want to add that even if a unit will not get a significant damage increase from 80 to 90, ascending them to 80/90 is still worth it for the ascention stat increase and the ability to level up talents to lvl 10.
@AKThem06
@AKThem06 Жыл бұрын
personally, i've given up on farming artifacts and now my goal is to max minus one their talents and level them all up to 90 instead so far i've got like 10 left hehe
@yewjintan4538
@yewjintan4538 Ай бұрын
Very useful thanks!!
@AMVEditorShadownick
@AMVEditorShadownick Жыл бұрын
I take characters to level 80 and final ascend them, i tend to stop there unless i like the character to 90 or they scale with HP. Outside that i hold off from 90ing them for a while.
@getdunkedon4126
@getdunkedon4126 Жыл бұрын
for reference i have 36 starred abyss with a level 70 xingqui and a level 60 mona XD granted it was in a hu tao comp and a noelle comp but still
@tsugikuni.michikatsu
@tsugikuni.michikatsu 3 ай бұрын
I find it hard to clear abyss on time with my level 80 units. without the timer, I can clear it without any issues. just the timer. so I think you still need to level 90 units to clear it faster.
@genshinarchive98
@genshinarchive98 Жыл бұрын
Great video!! 🤩
@Me3Leg
@Me3Leg Жыл бұрын
I play this game since the beginning. All my main characters are LV 89. Still got 36 stars from abyss.
@user-og9nl5mt1b
@user-og9nl5mt1b Жыл бұрын
As a f2p i don't even have that many charectors so nothing to worry about
@dahandsomeguywithcoolglass8949
@dahandsomeguywithcoolglass8949 Жыл бұрын
So my heizou will be defeated by tea loving prison guard Jotaro
@levtieart3409
@levtieart3409 Жыл бұрын
tbh i play from 1.5 and buy the bps i got my who tao ,raiden ,neuvilette and zhongli at 90 and rest is lvl 80 or 71 i get so much xp books passivley weekly from teapot and events that im fine for live tbh but priority is xp for characters that scale off hp and ur main dps kindna neuv got like 2k more hp from lvl 80 to 90 so yea tbh if ur newer etc its best to just ascend 80 and maybe go 90 for ur main dps/hp scaler
@Gadottinho
@Gadottinho Жыл бұрын
my most played characters are all at 79/80, tho I just don't have enough resources lol
@ezplaygamer
@ezplaygamer Жыл бұрын
Level 90 help me something GET RID OF THE RED LEVEL ABOVE THE ENEMY I HAVE THAT WHEN AR 45 NOW AR 55 AND I STILL DIDNT GET RID OF THISE RED LEVEL
@wes0112
@wes0112 Жыл бұрын
I got like 4k violet books 5k blue books and 9k green books i think i need to use it even if it’s a waste 😂
@yashaskararyan
@yashaskararyan Жыл бұрын
bro tried to sneak in yanfei as if she’s really that strong,. don’t get me wrong she works just as well as hu tao for overworld/average content but not in the abyss. she’s great until you get diluc/klee and they feel strong until you start playing with hu tao. this is me talking purely about their abyss/meta strength and as always play who you like !!
@keralaplays1580
@keralaplays1580 Жыл бұрын
Imo yanfei is better than diluc 😅
@Yokie05
@Yokie05 Жыл бұрын
If I like the character enough then yeah otherwise they can stay at 80, also if they scale on base attack, em, or hp
@larrymauri8855
@larrymauri8855 Жыл бұрын
honestly I just lvl 90 characters for the sake of my sanity XD
@henryswims
@henryswims Жыл бұрын
none of my characters are level 90, do i have qiqi, Nope, Coincidence I think not. Oh, and since Genshin doesn't have a difficulty setting, having characters only at level 80, adds just enough difficulty for me.
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Жыл бұрын
Good video even though I'm a veteran at this point and learned nothing I just watched it because why not. Big problem though, your character talents I kept spotting as you cycle characters are really, really low. 70 is too low minus maybe niche shielders, I recommend going to lvl 80 for 8 level talents. It's hard to take you seriously if you have a 1/6/5 diona but actually used that in abyss, or a 1/4/10 Yelan. Yelan's skill is a ton of DPS you are missing out on.
@clericneokun
@clericneokun Жыл бұрын
What about talent levels? Is the jump from 9 to 10 worth it?
@ithirealgenshin
@ithirealgenshin Жыл бұрын
That depends on the character. Sometimes its worth the Damage increase, sometimes it's not. For my case, I used a Damage Calculator site to see if its worth my resources. For example: 1. Tartaglia from LV80 (Unascended) with 8-8-8 Talent Level to LV90 with 10-10-10. Iirc, he got like a 20% DMG increase for his burst. 2. Xiangling from LV90, 6-8-8 Talents to LV90 with 6-11-11 Talents. Her Pyronado got like a 13% DMG Increase if it Vaporizes One case that I didn't find worth was bringing Bennett to LV90 and possibly Crowning his Burst. The other teammates barely gained like a 5% DMG Increase which isn't worth the resources compared to just bringing those characters up. TLDR it depends.
@clericneokun
@clericneokun Жыл бұрын
@@ithirealgenshin Wow. good thing you mentioned Bennett.
@phoenixlau
@phoenixlau Жыл бұрын
Compared to leveling up other talents, crown is never worth it. The mora and mats required to do so are insane! However, you will eventually reach a point in your artifact farming where you hit a wall with good enough pieces and your ability to find upgrades dries up. So compared to throwing all your resin into a void with no return every day, you can then consider diverting some of that into a crown for at least something tangible.
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd
@HuyNguyen-kc6qd Жыл бұрын
should I 90 my bennet?
@burgerkingfries4941
@burgerkingfries4941 3 ай бұрын
Yes
@Lumpy72
@Lumpy72 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes Elden ring the best game in the world my favorite game atm
@sofabored2150
@sofabored2150 Жыл бұрын
Only level to 69
@UpperEchelon106
@UpperEchelon106 Жыл бұрын
First :"3 🍙
@quantumgalang9691
@quantumgalang9691 Жыл бұрын
always lvl90, i kick those low level shit
@dancinflowrbear770
@dancinflowrbear770 Жыл бұрын
based
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Жыл бұрын
i lvl 90 5 stars i use, 80 5 stars i rarely use, and lvl 80 anyone i consider to play at all w/ lvl 90 ascension (but keep at 80). noted some of my 4 stars have gotten VIP lvl 90 treatment, namely Fischl and Xingqiu
@lootheistyt7289
@lootheistyt7289 Жыл бұрын
Second 😂
@thetsoehtoo3938
@thetsoehtoo3938 Жыл бұрын
Nahida or hydro archon? As f2p player.
@yabloko8070
@yabloko8070 Жыл бұрын
Nahida, she really useful.
@ooochoa
@ooochoa Жыл бұрын
You can have both. Wait for the hydro archon re run.
@vjxconcur4864
@vjxconcur4864 Жыл бұрын
Nahida 100%. Hyperbloom is broken
@tim64163
@tim64163 Жыл бұрын
We can't utilise Furina to 100% yet. We're still missing too many Fontaine units. Unless you already have Neuvillette, I'd get Nahida instead. Nahida will work with 4stars unit. So far Furina needs 5stars Fontaine carry or C6 4stars units.
@bangletassel9539
@bangletassel9539 Жыл бұрын
Get Furina because her banner comes first. She's one of the strongest, most universal characters in the game.
@GabeIG
@GabeIG Жыл бұрын
yanfei is so good
@Mavuika_Gyaru
@Mavuika_Gyaru Жыл бұрын
5:40 why not equip the food item? You probably have a hundred sweet madames to use
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